' VERY IMPORTANT REGARDING CCFC STADIUM? '

If the new tier is empty then will it seem we play in a red stadium to people who don't know better. Maybe a clever move by dictator Tan? Or am i reading too much into it?

I would expect a move like that from the madman, Trust me he hates us more than anyone realises. He will stop at nothing to be the meglomaniac. Its all about saving face. Be afraid, be very afraid.

bonkers

I would have to disagree with you there, are you implying all of his crazy ideas so far are rational?

whatever decision he makes there are people that jump to this tirad of abuse........Annis{ who is major anti tan }
has suggested it not be open... you call him a meglomaniac if it is not open.........fella cant win..
and please list his crazey ideas...............

Extending the stand in the first place.
The crazy painter!
High Trousers
Picking a fight with a Bluebird
Those welding glasses he wears
Total disrespect for his customers
Oooh and changing our colour.
Lying through his teeth.
Lying through other peoples teeth.
Want a few more?

so he's not really guilty of anything except the made up stuff you want to accuse him of

Erm... you forget the rebrand?!

even with the rebrand he was conned into believing it would be ok..........and as a fan base { because you have said many times you personally have been an active protester from day 1 } we did little.....no marches, few if any letters,emails etc....a handful asked for refunds on STs...........its hand in hand with us slipping towards relegation came the sea of blue, the larger protest march and the wanker song......its embarrassing tbh..........i like tens of thousands stood back and enjoyed watching him spend..........im not going to spit my dummy out when things get tough.

If the new tier is empty then will it seem we play in a red stadium to people who don't know better. Maybe a clever move by dictator Tan? Or am i reading too much into it?

I would expect a move like that from the madman, Trust me he hates us more than anyone realises. He will stop at nothing to be the meglomaniac. Its all about saving face. Be afraid, be very afraid.

bonkers

I would have to disagree with you there, are you implying all of his crazy ideas so far are rational?

whatever decision he makes there are people that jump to this tirad of abuse........Annis{ who is major anti tan }
has suggested it not be open... you call him a meglomaniac if it is not open.........fella cant win..
and please list his crazey ideas...............

Extending the stand in the first place.
The crazy painter!
High Trousers
Picking a fight with a Bluebird
Those welding glasses he wears
Total disrespect for his customers
Oooh and changing our colour.
Lying through his teeth.
Lying through other peoples teeth.
Want a few more?

so he's not really guilty of anything except the made up stuff you want to accuse him of

Erm... you forget the rebrand?!

Oh barry

Like the wallpaper sticks to the wall
Like the seashore clings to the sea
Like you'll never get rid of your shadow
You'll never get rid of me

Let all the others fight and fuss
Whatever happens, we've got us

Come on Barry, you know the rest.....

even with the rebrand he was conned into believing it would be ok..........and as a fan base { because you have said many times you personally have been an active protester from day 1 } we did little.....no marches, few if any letters,emails etc....a handful asked for refunds on STs...........its hand in hand with us slipping towards relegation came the sea of blue, the larger protest march and the wanker song......its embarrassing tbh..........i like tens of thousands stood back and enjoyed watching him spend..........im not going to spit my dummy out when things get tough.

What on earth has that got to do with him being "guilty" of changing the club's colours?!

Actually, it's grown "hand in hand" with Tan's continual delaying of promises made during his horrific rebrand.

even with the rebrand he was conned into believing it would be ok..........and as a fan base { because you have said many times you personally have been an active protester from day 1 } we did little.....no marches, few if any letters,emails etc....a handful asked for refunds on STs...........its hand in hand with us slipping towards relegation came the sea of blue, the larger protest march and the wanker song......its embarrassing tbh..........i like tens of thousands stood back and enjoyed watching him spend..........im not going to spit my dummy out when things get tough.

What on earth has that got to do with him being "guilty" of changing the club's colours?!

Actually, it's grown "hand in hand" with Tan's continual delaying of promises made during his horrific rebrand.

Keep up at the back

Keep up at the back

Glad you can see you were wrong earlier, saying Tan wasn't "guilty" of anything in a list that included changing the club's colours.

Keep up at the back

Glad you can see you were wrong earlier, saying Tan wasn't "guilty" of anything in a list that included changing the club's colours.

Not at all, I was talking to you! You like to make stuff up instead of keeping to the facts. even when its written in plain english in a bbc article.

You've had everything explained to you countless times over the past weeks but you still fail to understand or comprehend any of it. Getting a bit embarrassing for you know!

Come on...... sing a long;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5hXtGkzZ9k

it's your song Chuckles...

Not at all, I was talking to you! You like to make stuff up instead of keeping to the facts. even when its written in plain english in a bbc article.

You've had everything explained to you countless times over the past weeks but you still fail to understand or comprehend any of it. Getting a bit embarrassing for you know!

Come on...... sing a long;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5hXtGkzZ9k

it's your song Chuckles...

Same old nonsense from Natman Red. In my opinion, and many others, Tan is constantly shying away from sticking to his promises & the longer he does so, the more cynical and doubting the fans will get.

I personally don't think the untrustworthy clown will ever do it. ALL OPINIONS WELCOME.

Glad you now see your error, suggesting Tan wasn't guilty of changing the club's colours.

Not at all, I was talking to you! You like to make stuff up instead of keeping to the facts. even when its written in plain english in a bbc article.

You've had everything explained to you countless times over the past weeks but you still fail to understand or comprehend any of it. Getting a bit embarrassing for you know!

Come on...... sing a long;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5hXtGkzZ9k

it's your song Chuckles...

Same old nonsense from Natman Red. In my opinion, and many others, Tan is constantly shying away from sticking to his promises & the longer he does so, the more cynical and doubting the fans will get.

I personally don't think the untrustworthy clown will ever do it. ALL OPINIONS WELCOME.

Glad you now see your error, suggesting Tan wasn't guilty of changing the club's colours.

ah still making things up about Tan and other people whilst inferring people are saying things that they aren't.

Oh Barry

Maybe the upper tier is being reserved for RED fans only

Maybe the upper tier is being reserved for RED fans only

Me and my bro are staying in the lower tier

I'm up there next season - heard nothing yet

Maybe the upper tier is being reserved for RED fans only

Me and my bro are staying in the lower tier

Hey polo

even with the rebrand he was conned into believing it would be ok..........and as a fan base { because you have said many times you personally have been an active protester from day 1 } we did little.....no marches, few if any letters,emails etc....a handful asked for refunds on STs...........its hand in hand with us slipping towards relegation came the sea of blue, the larger protest march and the wanker song......its embarrassing tbh..........i like tens of thousands stood back and enjoyed watching him spend..........im not going to spit my dummy out when things get tough.

What on earth has that got to do with him being "guilty" of changing the club's colours?!

Actually, it's grown "hand in hand" with Tan's continual delaying of promises made during his horrific rebrand.

oh........so all those wearing red down the bay were seething about debt.........get real.

oh........so all those wearing red down the bay were seething about debt.........get real.

It's certainly why a lot of people I know how turned on the rebrand. many are are also just realising how bad this rebrand is. Scarf gate was excellent for people like me.

Of course, some will have just turned on tan for a poor season, that's football &'fickle fans... But to suggest that every single person is like that is wildly inaccurate, I suggest you "get real" yourself.

As I said, what has all this got to do with him being "guilty" of changing the clubs colours? you just jumped in without reading properly and looked silly, in typical Soulofthesea way.

oh........so all those wearing red down the bay were seething about debt.........get real.

It's certainly why a lot of people I know how turned on the rebrand. many are are also just realising how bad this rebrand is. Scarf gate was excellent for people like me.

Of course, some will have just turned on tan for a poor season, that's football &'fickle fans... But to suggest that every single person is like that is wildly inaccurate, I suggest you "get real" yourself.

As I said, what has all this got to do with him being "guilty" of changing the clubs colours? you just jumped in without reading properly and looked silly, in typical Soulofthesea way.

What??? You mean the scarf gate orchestrated by JJ???

you just jumped in without reading properly and looked silly, in typical Barry Chuckle way.

What??? You mean the scarf gate orchestrated by JJ???

you just jumped in without reading properly and looked silly, in typical Barry Chuckle way.

Seeing as you always demand proof, got any proof for that? or are you going to be a hypocrite again?

Jumped in? It was a perfectly acceptable response to Soulofthesea... If anyone "jumped in" it was you, jumping into someone else's debate, something you've had a go at others for before... MORE hypocrisy.

even with the rebrand he was conned into believing it would be ok..........and as a fan base { because you have said many times you personally have been an active protester from day 1 } we did little.....no marches, few if any letters,emails etc....a handful asked for refunds on STs...........its hand in hand with us slipping towards relegation came the sea of blue, the larger protest march and the wanker song......its embarrassing tbh..........i like tens of thousands stood back and enjoyed watching him spend..........im not going to spit my dummy out when things get tough.

What on earth has that got to do with him being "guilty" of changing the club's colours?!

Actually, it's grown "hand in hand" with Tan's continual delaying of promises made during his horrific rebrand.

last i heard he still owned the club..............and there is no 3rd party debt........

would you be happy if today he converted the entire debt to equity..........then sold the club for 100million tomorrow { 50 million u front and another 50 million over 5 years with 10% interest}...clubs dont get into trouble owing owners..but do owing 3rd parties { Sam }......
he will or will not convert debt to equity as suits him, and the day he moves on is the day to judge his time at the club regarding finance....you are just a nasty anti everything scare monger ,the majority that spout this debt to equity stuff have no idea what significance it has........or how it effects the club...

Maybe the upper tier is being reserved for RED fans only

Me and my bro are staying in the lower tier

Hey polo

Seeing as you ask someone to back up their similar accusation with a link here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=142495&p=1503988&hilit=+7summit#p1503988

Link?

last i heard he still owned the club..............and there is no 3rd party debt........

who said there was 3rd party debt? There is still massive debt though, which has to be paid at some point, as VT has reneged on his rebrand "deal" and has said he will only be transferring 50million of that into equity, leaving 100 million in debt.

would you be happy if today he converted the entire debt to equity..........then sold the club for 100million tomorrow { 50 million u front and another 50 million over 5 years with 10% interest}...clubs dont get into trouble owing owners..but do owing 3rd parties { Sam }......

I'd be delighted if he sold the club.

he will or will not convert debt to equity as suits him,

seeing as he promised it during the rebrand, to then only do a partial conversion & constantly delaying on that, is why fans have turned on him. They feel duped.

and the day he moves on is the day to judge his time at the club regarding finance....you are just a nasty anti everything scare monger ,the majority that spout this debt to equity stuff have no idea what significance it has........

you are just a nasty pro Tan scaremonger who has no idea what significance it has.

or how it effects the club...

oh........so all those wearing red down the bay were seething about debt.........get real.

It's certainly why a lot of people I know how turned on the rebrand. many are are also just realising how bad this rebrand is. Scarf gate was excellent for people like me.

Of course, some will have just turned on tan for a poor season, that's football &'fickle fans... But to suggest that every single person is like that is wildly inaccurate, I suggest you "get real" yourself.

As I said, what has all this got to do with him being "guilty" of changing the clubs colours? you just jumped in without reading properly and looked silly, in typical Soulofthesea way.

i didnt suggest every single person.DID I ?.then go on to say its me that doesnt read....unreal...and making lies up like you roath mitty friend...does you no favours
.........ps..soulofthesea?..
your the very last person to work that one out....it was not my choice to stop using it......so really dont get you or roaffies constant pointing it out...............other than to show what geniuses you are pmsl/

i didnt suggest every single person.DID I ?.then go on to say its me that doesnt read....unreal...and making lies up like you roath mitty friend...does you no favours

you assumed. Glad you can see that was wrong.

.........ps..soulofthesea?..
your the very last person to work that one out....it was not my choice to stop using it......so really dont get you or roaffies constant pointing it out...............other than to show what geniuses you are pmsl

I've called you soulofthesea a many times before now, certainly not the last to "work it out" - it's hardly hard to work out, with your constant use of............... Full.......... Stops..........

oh........so all those wearing red down the bay were seething about debt.........get real.

It's certainly why a lot of people I know how turned on the rebrand. many are are also just realising how bad this rebrand is. Scarf gate was excellent for people like me.

Of course, some will have just turned on tan for a poor season, that's football &'fickle fans... But to suggest that every single person is like that is wildly inaccurate, I suggest you "get real" yourself.

As I said, what has all this got to do with him being "guilty" of changing the clubs colours? you just jumped in without reading properly and looked silly, in typical Soulofthesea way.

What??? You mean the scarf gate orchestrated by JJ???

you just jumped in without reading properly and looked silly, in typical Barry Chuckle way.

you conjour up all that from my bay remark..............klets just stick to the celebration down the bay.........mostly blue ..or mostly red?

you conjour up all that from my bay remark..............klets just stick to the celebration down the bay.........mostly blue ..or mostly red?

From what I remember, mostly people in civvies.

I don't know what you are trying to prove, I agree that the vociferous support for blue has grown, I've alluded to that myself.

last i heard he still owned the club..............and there is no 3rd party debt........

who said there was 3rd party debt? There is still massive debt though, which has to be paid at some point, as VT has reneged on his rebrand "deal" and has said he will only be transferring 50million of that into equity, leaving 100 million in debt.

would you be happy if today he converted the entire debt to equity..........then sold the club for 100million tomorrow { 50 million u front and another 50 million over 5 years with 10% interest}...clubs dont get into trouble owing owners..but do owing 3rd parties { Sam }......

I'd be delighted if he sold the club.

he will or will not convert debt to equity as suits him,

seeing as he promised it during the rebrand, to then only do a partial conversion & constantly delaying on that, is why fans have turned on him. They feel duped.

and the day he moves on is the day to judge his time at the club regarding finance....you are just a nasty anti everything scare monger ,the majority that spout this debt to equity stuff have no idea what significance it has........

you are just a nasty pro Tan scaremonger who has no idea what significance it has.

or how it effects the club...

3rd party debt..and the failure to service it is and has always been where every club in troubles problems start.........your love to have a new owner quip........well....a new owner that would owe Tan?.........the most evil nasty bit of work since lucifer { because hwe wears sun glasses } according to you

3rd party debt..and the failure to service it is and has always been where every club in troubles problems start.........your love to have a new owner quip........well....a new owner that would owe Tan?.........the most evil nasty bit of work since lucifer { because hwe wears sun glasses } according to you

Not if he transferred debt to equity as you suggest in your previous post.

I want Tan out primarily because of the rebrand. End of story.

Please can you show me a quote where I say he's a nasty piece of work because he wears sunglasses? I have never said that, you are lying. Something which you constantly say about other posters.

What a hypocrite.

you conjour up all that from my bay remark..............klets just stick to the celebration down the bay.........mostly blue ..or mostly red?

From what I remember, mostly people in civvies.

I don't know what you are trying to prove, I agree that the vociferous support for blue has grown, I've alluded to that myself.

oh, so i was correct.

3rd party debt..and the failure to service it is and has always been where every club in troubles problems start.........your love to have a new owner quip........well....a new owner that would owe Tan?.........the most evil nasty bit of work since lucifer { because hwe wears sun glasses } according to you

Not if he transferred debt to equity as you suggest in your previous post.

I want Tan out primarily because of the rebrand. End of story.

Please can you show me a quote where I say he's a nasty piece of work because he wears sunglasses? I have never said that, you are lying. Something which you constantly say about other posters.

What a hypocrite.

if he converts debt to equity............please explain how this prevents the club from being sold for 100 million.......50 million up front..the remaining 50 million along with interest over a period of time?.......which of course would mean there is a good chance we would soon be in the shit
and why exactly am i a hypocrite..........my stance is very clear........you just want EVERYTHING your way

Quote please?

3rd party debt..and the failure to service it is and has always been where every club in troubles problems start.........your love to have a new owner quip........well....a new owner that would owe Tan?.........the most evil nasty bit of work since lucifer { because hwe wears sun glasses } according to you

Not if he transferred debt to equity as you suggest in your previous post.

I want Tan out primarily because of the rebrand. End of story.

Please can you show me a quote where I say he's a nasty piece of work because he wears sunglasses? I have never said that, you are lying. Something which you constantly say about other posters.

What a hypocrite.

well the post id replied to........had a list......if youd read the WHOLE thread maybe youd understand........but no, you just jumped in............so your turn..what exactly has he done wrong?

Quote please?

please explain Barry.............and if he were to sell up under the conditions ive set out.........how important would the debt to equity today be if we are then in debt tomorrow?