Gary Medel v Aussies

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Valencia earnt more points than Swansea in the rankings last year too.

I'm telling you they are bigger and better. They even finished above you in the group but I guess your still better. League tables don't lie...

Yes we have established that. You are still wrong however.

Bigger yes, but so are leeds its irrelevant.

Better? Not a chance. We have a more valuable squad based on ability and beat them 3-1 over two games. They finished higher in a group consisting of 6 matches

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Valencia earnt more points than Swansea in the rankings last year too.

The barrel has officially been scraped

Man United earned more points than Man City too according to that

3 la liga teams make European semi finals. 0 from England. 33 points was enough to stay in the premier league this year. Swansea finished on 42 which would usually be just enough to stay up. The season before last Valencia finished 5th in la liga. Hardly comparable to Leeds.

Keep telling yourself you're better than Valencia though based on "team value" and beating them once.

so you were talking about "better". Why argue?

Why are you taking the valencia squad of 3 seasons ago and crediting them with that same side now? The fact is WE ARE better than Valencia. We beat them 3-1 over 2 games and have a better squad on paper and on pitch

Funny you want to look at least seasons champions league results to judge a whole league (which is stupid in itself) yet get all uppity when looking at Valencia last season, a far more case specific focus than Real Madrid, Barca and Athletico (ironically none of which want Medel)

Its like saying 2 Ivory Coast players were in the top 10 goalscoring charts in the Premier league yet none from Argentina so Ivory Coast must be better as a nation.

Valencia made 9 changes from the team that played the previous La Liga game.

played for over 80 minutes with a man short

finished 5 points above you at the top of the group

reached the quarter finals of the competition..........

But some website values their squad more than valencias so they must be better if that website said so

he likes fiction............

he likes fiction............

You think its fictional that our squad is valued more?

Oh dear

Thread turned into how scumsea town compare against Valencia...........unbelievable

I'm telling you they are bigger and better. They even finished above you in the group but I guess your still better. League tables don't lie...

Yes we have established that. You are still wrong however.

Bigger yes, but so are leeds its irrelevant.

Better? Not a chance. We have a more valuable squad based on ability and beat them 3-1 over two games. They finished higher in a group consisting of 6 matches

Finished in a group showing more consistency and ability than Swansea. Suggesting that their players are better than Swansea players. Scoring twice as many goals and a better goal difference and progressed further.

Their results suggest your arguments are a load of rubbish.

he likes fiction............

You think its fictional that our squad is valued more?

Oh dear

Valuation is an opinion. You may something as expensive which I may value as lesser.

Valuation isn't factual as it is based on what it's worth to you. These valuation comparisons are based on someone's opinion. If I did a valuation there would be completely different results. Surely even you understand this.

I'm telling you they are bigger and better. They even finished above you in the group but I guess your still better. League tables don't lie...

Yes we have established that. You are still wrong however.

Bigger yes, but so are leeds its irrelevant.

Better? Not a chance. We have a more valuable squad based on ability and beat them 3-1 over two games. They finished higher in a group consisting of 6 matches

the key word is TOP..finished TOP of your group.......5pts ahead of you over 6 games.....suggests your result out there was a SHOCK result............giantkiller, Roy of the Rovers stuff.........all be it against their 2nd string

Valuation is an opinion. You may something as expensive which I may value as lesser.

Valuation isn't factual as it is based on what it's worth to you. These valuation comparisons are based on someone's opinion. If I did a valuation there would be completely different results. Surely even you understand this.

Valuations across the board are fairly accurate. What the club would accept however is different. But comparing the most profitable club in the premier league (swansea) to financially ruined Valencia - that works in their favour.

When looking at the sides it is obvious who possesses the better side. Even more obvious when you look at the two recent matches where Swansea outplayed them both times.

I'm telling you they are bigger and better. They even finished above you in the group but I guess your still better. League tables don't lie...

Yes we have established that. You are still wrong however.

Bigger yes, but so are leeds its irrelevant.

Better? Not a chance. We have a more valuable squad based on ability and beat them 3-1 over two games. They finished higher in a group consisting of 6 matches

Finished in a group showing more consistency and ability than Swansea. Suggesting that their players are better than Swansea players. Scoring twice as many goals and a better goal difference and progressed further.

Their results suggest your arguments are a load of rubbish.

really Roath talk rubbish?......nahhh

the key word is TOP..finished TOP of your group.......5pts ahead of you over 6 games.....suggests your result out there was a SHOCK result............giantkiller, Roy of the Rovers stuff.........all be it against their 2nd string

nice try. Collations over 6 games are meaningless as both Swansea and Valencia played different versions of their first team against the remaining opposition.

They did not play their reserves in either game and if memory serves we actually made more changes than them

really Roath talk rubbish?......nahhh

oh dear.

Valuation is an opinion. You may something as expensive which I may value as lesser.

Valuation isn't factual as it is based on what it's worth to you. These valuation comparisons are based on someone's opinion. If I did a valuation there would be completely different results. Surely even you understand this.

Valuations across the board are fairly accurate. What the club would accept however is different. But comparing the most profitable club in the premier league (swansea) to financially ruined Valencia - that works in their favour.

When looking at the sides it is obvious who possesses the better side. Even more obvious when you look at the two recent matches where Swansea outplayed them both times.

No, no. when real signed bale for 80 mill - that's how much he was valued for by his club and Real Madrid. A player is worth what a club will pay. Just because someone thinks a player is worth x amount doesn't make it gospel.

You finished below them, scoring less goals. They're better. We got relegated but we beat man city once so it doesn't matter were better we proved it that day.

Valuation is an opinion. You may something as expensive which I may value as lesser.

Valuation isn't factual as it is based on what it's worth to you. These valuation comparisons are based on someone's opinion. If I did a valuation there would be completely different results. Surely even you understand this.

Valuations across the board are fairly accurate. What the club would accept however is different. But comparing the most profitable club in the premier league (swansea) to financially ruined Valencia - that works in their favour.

When looking at the sides it is obvious who possesses the better side. Even more obvious when you look at the two recent matches where Swansea outplayed them both times.

valuations are across the board accurate...........WHAT THE CLUBS ACCEPT DIFFERENT........lol
so a player that is sold for 10million REAL POUNDS..has a more accurate valuation based on Roath and some football manager web site?

he never seems to understand that the value of anything...is what the buyer and seller agree on..........not whats floating in between his two brain cells

Valuation is an opinion. You may something as expensive which I may value as lesser.

Valuation isn't factual as it is based on what it's worth to you. These valuation comparisons are based on someone's opinion. If I did a valuation there would be completely different results. Surely even you understand this.

Valuations across the board are fairly accurate. What the club would accept however is different. But comparing the most profitable club in the premier league (swansea) to financially ruined Valencia - that works in their favour.

When looking at the sides it is obvious who possesses the better side. Even more obvious when you look at the two recent matches where Swansea outplayed them both times.

No, no. when real signed bale for 80 mill - that's how much he was valued for by his club and Real Madrid. A player is worth what a club will pay. Just because someone thinks a player is worth x amount doesn't make it gospel.

You finished below them, scoring less goals. They're better.

Yes, yes. How do you know bale wasn't valued at 80 mill? The same considerations are made across the board. We wouldnt accept anything less than £25m for Bony but he is valued at £15m on that website. Your argument only strengthens mine, we have the players that are undervalued - not them, and we still come out on top

We beat them 3-1 over the two games and outplayed them both times. We have a better squad on paper and on the pitch - we are better

What has scoring more goals got to do with anything

Oh lordy.

the key word is TOP..finished TOP of your group.......5pts ahead of you over 6 games.....suggests your result out there was a SHOCK result............giantkiller, Roy of the Rovers stuff.........all be it against their 2nd string

nice try. Collations over 6 games are meaningless as both Swansea and Valencia played different versions of their first team against the remaining opposition.

They did not play their reserves in either game and if memory serves we actually made more changes than them

yes you did...........you made 5...they made 9...........5 is more than 9 in sports science isnt it?

yes you did...........you made 5...they made 9...........5 is more than 9 in sports science isnt it?

And you know that it was a change to put a second string in rather that put back a first teamer because.....

Sense is needed in failed gcse's too isnt it?

Valuation is an opinion. You may something as expensive which I may value as lesser.

Valuation isn't factual as it is based on what it's worth to you. These valuation comparisons are based on someone's opinion. If I did a valuation there would be completely different results. Surely even you understand this.

Valuations across the board are fairly accurate. What the club would accept however is different. But comparing the most profitable club in the premier league (swansea) to financially ruined Valencia - that works in their favour.

When looking at the sides it is obvious who possesses the better side. Even more obvious when you look at the two recent matches where Swansea outplayed them both times.

No, no. when real signed bale for 80 mill - that's how much he was valued for by his club and Real Madrid. A player is worth what a club will pay. Just because someone thinks a player is worth x amount doesn't make it gospel.

You finished below them, scoring less goals. They're better.

Yes, yes. How do you know bale wasn't valued at 80 mill? The same considerations are made across the board. We wouldnt accept anything less than £25m for Bony but he is valued at £15m on that website. Your argument only strengthens mine, we have the players that are undervalued - not them, and we still come out on top

We beat them 3-1 over the two games and outplayed them both times. We have a better squad on paper and on the pitch - we are better

What has scoring more goals got to do with anything

Oh lordy.

What does scoring more goals mean? Were talking about a sport where scoring the goals defines the outcome of the game.

The valuation as stated above based on what 2 clubs or parties agree on. Not some stupid made up figures in your head.

Going to bed now...

Valuation is an opinion. You may something as expensive which I may value as lesser.

Valuation isn't factual as it is based on what it's worth to you. These valuation comparisons are based on someone's opinion. If I did a valuation there would be completely different results. Surely even you understand this.

Valuations across the board are fairly accurate. What the club would accept however is different. But comparing the most profitable club in the premier league (swansea) to financially ruined Valencia - that works in their favour.

When looking at the sides it is obvious who possesses the better side. Even more obvious when you look at the two recent matches where Swansea outplayed them both times.

No, no. when real signed bale for 80 mill - that's how much he was valued for by his club and Real Madrid. A player is worth what a club will pay. Just because someone thinks a player is worth x amount doesn't make it gospel.

You finished below them, scoring less goals. They're better.

Yes, yes. How do you know bale wasn't valued at 80 mill? The same considerations are made across the board. We wouldnt accept anything less than £25m for Bony but he is valued at £15m on that website. Your argument only strengthens mine, we have the players that are undervalued - not them, and we still come out on top

We beat them 3-1 over the two games and outplayed them both times. We have a better squad on paper and on the pitch - we are better

What has scoring more goals got to do with anything

Oh lordy.

it is what it is...............a league of however many games constitutes the league.......they were top......go figure..do the maths......13 points is more than 8 points............

im going to bed now...i only posted to make you feel less lonely.........

Valuation is an opinion. You may something as expensive which I may value as lesser.

Valuation isn't factual as it is based on what it's worth to you. These valuation comparisons are based on someone's opinion. If I did a valuation there would be completely different results. Surely even you understand this.

Valuations across the board are fairly accurate. What the club would accept however is different. But comparing the most profitable club in the premier league (swansea) to financially ruined Valencia - that works in their favour.

When looking at the sides it is obvious who possesses the better side. Even more obvious when you look at the two recent matches where Swansea outplayed them both times.

No, no. when real signed bale for 80 mill - that's how much he was valued for by his club and Real Madrid. A player is worth what a club will pay. Just because someone thinks a player is worth x amount doesn't make it gospel.

You finished below them, scoring less goals. They're better.

Yes, yes. How do you know bale wasn't valued at 80 mill? The same considerations are made across the board. We wouldnt accept anything less than £25m for Bony but he is valued at £15m on that website. Your argument only strengthens mine, we have the players that are undervalued - not them, and we still come out on top

We beat them 3-1 over the two games and outplayed them both times. We have a better squad on paper and on the pitch - we are better

What has scoring more goals got to do with anything

Oh lordy.

What does scoring more goals mean? Were talking about a sport where scoring the goals defines the outcome of the game.

The valuation as stated above based on what 2 clubs or parties agree on. Not some stupid made up figures in your head.

Going to bed now...

This sums up your whole contribution. "Whoever scores most is the best". Its that 10 year old boy thinking which has got you into this mess

Crystal Palace scored 21 less than Swansea and finished above us

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it is what it is...............a league of however many games constitutes the league.......they were top......go figure..do the maths......13 points is more than 8 points............

im going to bed now...i only posted to make you feel less lonely.........

Ah excellent well our league of H2H between us and Valencia sees us top and them bottom

Night night pal, dont get confused by the blanket.

Valuation is an opinion. You may something as expensive which I may value as lesser.

Valuation isn't factual as it is based on what it's worth to you. These valuation comparisons are based on someone's opinion. If I did a valuation there would be completely different results. Surely even you understand this.

Valuations across the board are fairly accurate. What the club would accept however is different. But comparing the most profitable club in the premier league (swansea) to financially ruined Valencia - that works in their favour.

When looking at the sides it is obvious who possesses the better side. Even more obvious when you look at the two recent matches where Swansea outplayed them both times.

No, no. when real signed bale for 80 mill - that's how much he was valued for by his club and Real Madrid. A player is worth what a club will pay. Just because someone thinks a player is worth x amount doesn't make it gospel.

You finished below them, scoring less goals. They're better.

Yes, yes. How do you know bale wasn't valued at 80 mill? The same considerations are made across the board. We wouldnt accept anything less than £25m for Bony but he is valued at £15m on that website. Your argument only strengthens mine, we have the players that are undervalued - not them, and we still come out on top

We beat them 3-1 over the two games and outplayed them both times. We have a better squad on paper and on the pitch - we are better

What has scoring more goals got to do with anything

Oh lordy.

What does scoring more goals mean? Were talking about a sport where scoring the goals defines the outcome of the game.

The valuation as stated above based on what 2 clubs or parties agree on. Not some stupid made up figures in your head.

Going to bed now...

This sums up your whole contribution. "Whoever scores most is the best". Its that 10 year old boy thinking which has got you into this mess

Crystal Palace scored 21 less than Swansea and finished above us

Take a look at a correlation table. You will see that those who score more are generally more successful. Just like those who take more shots generally score more goals.

There will always be the odd one or two who don't fit this category but generally speaking. Goals = victory which is why strikers are more expensive generally than any other position.

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it is what it is...............a league of however many games constitutes the league.......they were top......go figure..do the maths......13 points is more than 8 points............

im going to bed now...i only posted to make you feel less lonely.........

Ah excellent well our league of H2H between us and Valencia sees us top and them bottom

Night night pal, dont get confused by the blanket.

"Our head to head with Norwich was was better last season and our squad was worth more which means were better"

Except were not because the league table shows that.

"Our head to head with Norwich was was better last season and our squad was worth more which means were better"

Except were not because the league table shows that.

Errr.... Which is why i am telling you leagues with stupidly small amount of games in are not valuable to a collation of data.

We are not in the same league as valencia so we cannot compare. What we can compare is previous meetings and squad value to which we come out on top in both.

Take a look at a correlation table. You will see that those who score more are generally more successful. Just like those who take more shots generally score more goals.

There will always be the odd one or two who don't fit this category but generally speaking. Goals = victory which is why strikers are more expensive generally than any other position.

So how come Palace scored 21 goals more than us and finished above us?

Of all the opinions you hold, that is by far the most stupid and there are many candidates

Holland will probably now go on to be tournament top scorers after a 5-1 win - yet it doesnt mean they are better than Brazil as a result, scrap points lets just go on goals

Take a look at a correlation table. You will see that those who score more are generally more successful. Just like those who take more shots generally score more goals.

There will always be the odd one or two who don't fit this category but generally speaking. Goals = victory which is why strikers are more expensive generally than any other position.

So how come Palace scored 21 goals more than us and finished above us?

Of all the opinions you hold, that is by far the most stupid and there are many candidates

Holland will probably now go on to be tournament top scorers after a 5-1 win - yet it doesnt mean they are better than Brazil as a result, scrap points lets just go on goals

As I said - generally. Look at the league table, in general the higher scoring teams finish above the lowest scoring teams.

As I said - generally. Look at the league table, in general the higher scoring teams finish above the lowest scoring teams.

So you accept that scoring more doesnt mean you are better then

Id go back to "bigger" if i were you because although irrelevant at least its true

As I said - generally. Look at the league table, in general the higher scoring teams finish above the lowest scoring teams.

So you accept that scoring more doesnt mean you are better then

Id go back to "bigger" if i were you because although irrelevant at least its true

No I argue that in general scoring more goals does make you better but there will be the odd team who don't score most goals who will also be successful. However, generally speaking the most successful teams score the most goals.

In valencias case they scored more, won more and won the group. Finishing above Swansea who scored less.

As I said - generally. Look at the league table, in general the higher scoring teams finish above the lowest scoring teams.

So you accept that scoring more doesnt mean you are better then

Id go back to "bigger" if i were you because although irrelevant at least its true

No I argue that in general scoring more goals does make you better but there will be the odd team who don't score most goals who will also be successful. However, generally speaking the most successful teams score the most goals.

In valencias case they scored more, won more and won the group. Finishing above Swansea who scored less.

stop digging. On one hand you are saying how ridiculous it is to compare yourselves to Norwich over 2 games and then want to compare to Valencia over 6

Ive proved many times that scoring more goals doesnt mean you are better whether you slip the word generally in doesnt really make a difference

We outplayed them twice and have a better squad - we are better

(Funny they only scored 1 against us while we scored 3 against them, that proves it once and for all )