sam =700% tan =400%

Read it again, I've not said that. My point was Sam increased the debt to an amount whereby he couldn't manage it (Black Friday), Tan categorically has not done that. There is debt but he is still managing it.

where do I say that you said it? Please read my post, it was said by troobloo. Ironic really, from so done who tells others that they can't read properly...

Neither has he denied he will do a swap and if you actually read some of the very informative posts by Danny Blue amongst others you would see why he is going to stage it. You know, the post that is towards the end of the tripe that you published.

he HAS denied that he will do a total swap. The day of the Chelsea game in a Wales Online interview. He said he won't be doing a full debt to equity exchange, which was one of the reasons many accepted his horrific rebrand.

Apology accepted.

here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=142406&start=150#p1502786

you stated at the time?............the time of course being prior to tans involvement.......was this on here? .. to anyone that would agree to your claim...???????..or is it just you trying to credit yourself ?.........youre gonna feel a tad foolish reading this..do everyone a favour ..if you do reply try and be an adult eh.........

Yep stated at the time young man. The time being when debt levels were manageable. Yes it was on here and well known to mostly everyone

Now then, how about an adult sensible reply for once soulofthesea? You are coming across very much a pleb again

oh...so its a time and level of debt chosen by you?.................the debts were unmanagable prior to tan...........end of.....
pleb pleb pleb.......bit of a keyboard warrior on the sly eh...

have you done your maths today monopolyman

bit of a keyboard warrior on the sly eh...

have you done your maths today monopolyman

The irony of these two sentences is hilarious. Soulofthesea, most of your posts are chasing people who disagree with you and going on about fantasies and how unintelligent they are.

If you where (sic) wrong?

Come on Pete there was nothing to read. It was common sense

I'm able to get the point presented to you in this thread and read copyrights. All good thanx

Thanx? (sic)

Reading copyrights and understanding copyrights are completely different, the thread is still going if you would like to take it up with me again?

As for this thread? What point has been presented young man? £150m is manageable for the club alone because tan is a successful businessman?

Nice.

if you were a millionaire business man........youd fully understand that different people have different plans,and thoughts and ideas to yours........you would understand that........whats too much of a gamble in one mans eyes makes perfect sense to another....one might have better advice,,know things about situation the other doesnt............business as life does not have one highway,its diverse............your rigid business rantings show no understanding,or experience.....its all parrot fashion............you know this its why ill be called a ranting pleb in amongst lots of laughing heads,lols, thumbsups and plebs......its not tyour out of your depth talking to me,your out of your depth full stop.........

bit of a keyboard warrior on the sly eh...

have you done your maths today monopolyman

The irony of these two sentences is hilarious. Soulofthesea, most of your posts are chasing people who disagree with you and going on about fantasies and how unintelligent they are.

He talks absolutely no sense what so ever. Ive asked him repeatedly to put forward a counter... And that seems to consist of monopoly.

God knows

If you where (sic) wrong?

Come on Pete there was nothing to read. It was common sense

I'm able to get the point presented to you in this thread and read copyrights. All good thanx

Thanx? (sic)

Reading copyrights and understanding copyrights are completely different, the thread is still going if you would like to take it up with me again?

As for this thread? What point has been presented young man? £150m is manageable for the club alone because tan is a successful businessman?

Nice.

if you were a millionaire business man........youd fully understand that different people have different plans,and thoughts and ideas to yours........you would understand that........whats too much of a gamble in one mans eyes makes perfect sense to another....one might have better advice,,know things about situation the other doesnt............business as life does not have one highway,its diverse............your rigid business rantings show no understanding,or experience.....its all parrot fashion............you know this its why ill be called a ranting pleb in amongst lots of laughing heads,lols, thumbsups and plebs......its not tyour out of your depth talking to me,your out of your depth full stop.........

here you go again. Absolutely no sense to your post what so ever.

When someone makes an obvious point that you dont like to admit you tend to say "how do you know? X,y and z could happen" even though x,y or z is ridiculously unlikely.

Remember what i said the other day regarding someone asking me what would happen if someone jumped out of a plane at 30000 feet? Me answering "death" and you responding with "how do you know? You may land on another passing plane and be fine" - and think both are equal statements

How about this.... YOU put forward a counter, and not a reply that consists of "there may be an alternative" - tell me what it is and why you think there is equal chance than my view on the situation.

Do your best

Not exactly because Tan might not increase the debt and might not increase the debt to those levels. Sam did!

Absolutely ridiculous reasoning, to suggest Sam is worse because he COULD have increased it even more... When he didn't.

Sam increased the debt, but in doing so, the club actually progressed. Tan has out the club in to ridiculous amounts of debt, has already said he will not be doing a total debt to equity swap, despite saying he would & even after that would leave the club in 100 million of debt, in a hideous colour, with a split fan base.

debt is unmanagable when you can no longer pay people you owe money too............this was clearly the case on black friday.....and not the case at the moment.......

bit of a keyboard warrior on the sly eh...

have you done your maths today monopolyman

The irony of these two sentences is hilarious. Soulofthesea, most of your posts are chasing people who disagree with you and going on about fantasies and how unintelligent they are.

well done Robin..............im sure monopolyman will give you a fiver later..........and a new red ink cartridge so you can copy him.....

bit of a keyboard warrior on the sly eh...

have you done your maths today monopolyman

The irony of these two sentences is hilarious. Soulofthesea, most of your posts are chasing people who disagree with you and going on about fantasies and how unintelligent they are.

He talks absolutely no sense what so ever. Ive asked him repeatedly to put forward a counter... And that seems to consist of monopoly.

God knows

why dont you and robin get a room eh............you can teach him how to do his maths........and predict the past

copying what i have said about you now.............once again lots of childish icons, .....yes im annoyed your on here saying things that that are crap.........we had TWO options etc.......yes pay the tax man or fold

Saying as i see it pal.

I have no idea what you are talking about regarding the two options. Are you telling me your tax bill was £150m??

im saying the people running the club at the time couldnt pay it................it might as well have been 150mill had tan not turned up........unable to pay is unable to pay................

Read it again, I've not said that. My point was Sam increased the debt to an amount whereby he couldn't manage it (Black Friday), Tan categorically has not done that. There is debt but he is still managing it.

where do I say that you said it? Please read my post, it was said by troobloo. Ironic really, from so done who tells others that they can't read properly...

Neither has he denied he will do a swap and if you actually read some of the very informative posts by Danny Blue amongst others you would see why he is going to stage it. You know, the post that is towards the end of the tripe that you published.

he HAS denied that he will do a total swap. The day of the Chelsea game in a Wales Online interview. He said he won't be doing a full debt to equity exchange, which was one of the reasons many accepted his horrific rebrand.

Apology accepted.

here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=142406&start=150#p1502786

your boss is sending the red ink over.............oh...nowhere near enough laughing heads in this 4 out of 10

If you where (sic) wrong?

Come on Pete there was nothing to read. It was common sense

I'm able to get the point presented to you in this thread and read copyrights. All good thanx

Thanx? (sic)

Reading copyrights and understanding copyrights are completely different, the thread is still going if you would like to take it up with me again?

As for this thread? What point has been presented young man? £150m is manageable for the club alone because tan is a successful businessman?

Nice.

if you were a millionaire business man........youd fully understand that different people have different plans,and thoughts and ideas to yours........you would understand that........whats too much of a gamble in one mans eyes makes perfect sense to another....one might have better advice,,know things about situation the other doesnt............business as life does not have one highway,its diverse............your rigid business rantings show no understanding,or experience.....its all parrot fashion............you know this its why ill be called a ranting pleb in amongst lots of laughing heads,lols, thumbsups and plebs......its not tyour out of your depth talking to me,your out of your depth full stop.........

here you go again. Absolutely no sense to your post what so ever.

When someone makes an obvious point that you dont like to admit you tend to say "how do you know? X,y and z could happen" even though x,y or z is ridiculously unlikely.

Remember what i said the other day regarding someone asking me what would happen if someone jumped out of a plane at 30000 feet? Me answering "death" and you responding with "how do you know? You may land on another passing plane and be fine" - and think both are equal statements

How about this.... YOU put forward a counter, and not a reply that consists of "there may be an alternative" - tell me what it is and why you think there is equal chance than my view on the situation.

Do your best

please find the post where i said...........how do you know.....regarding death............this is so you lies lies and more lies.....sounds like you make up the other persons post and reply to your own imagination

please find the post where i said...........how do you know.....regarding death............this is so you lies lies and more lies.....sounds like you make up the other persons post and reply to your own imagination

Holy smokes you really are cardiffs swansealad

It was an example of your kind of post mr soulofthesea. I say something obvious and you say something ridiculous as an alternative and assume they are equal and how dare i be so bold to state the absolute obvious when there is a whole host of ridiculous suggestions to explore

bit of a keyboard warrior on the sly eh...

have you done your maths today monopolyman

The irony of these two sentences is hilarious. Soulofthesea, most of your posts are chasing people who disagree with you and going on about fantasies and how unintelligent they are.

He talks absolutely no sense what so ever. Ive asked him repeatedly to put forward a counter... And that seems to consist of monopoly.

God knows

MONOPOLYMAN and robin know best............jump in your time machine back to the exact point where you think debt became unmanagable and lobby tan.................

copying what i have said about you now.............once again lots of childish icons, .....yes im annoyed your on here saying things that that are crap.........we had TWO options etc.......yes pay the tax man or fold

Saying as i see it pal.

I have no idea what you are talking about regarding the two options. Are you telling me your tax bill was £150m??

im saying the people running the club at the time couldnt pay it................it might as well have been 150mill had tan not turned up........unable to pay is unable to pay................

But this isnt what the thread is about you mentalist, it hasnt even been dicussed

I said £150m is a sum too much for the club alone to bare - you seemed to take umbrage to this obvious statement - so i ask again.

Explain your reasoning

MONOPOLYMAN and robin know best............jump in your time machine back to the exact point where you think debt became unmanagable and lobby tan.................

Or just refer to my posts at the time you mean cardiffealad

If you where (sic) wrong?

Come on Pete there was nothing to read. It was common sense

I'm able to get the point presented to you in this thread and read copyrights. All good thanx

Thanx? (sic)

Reading copyrights and understanding copyrights are completely different, the thread is still going if you would like to take it up with me again?

As for this thread? What point has been presented young man? £150m is manageable for the club alone because tan is a successful businessman?

Nice.

if you were a millionaire business man........youd fully understand that different people have different plans,and thoughts and ideas to yours........you would understand that........whats too much of a gamble in one mans eyes makes perfect sense to another....one might have better advice,,know things about situation the other doesnt............business as life does not have one highway,its diverse............your rigid business rantings show no understanding,or experience.....its all parrot fashion............you know this its why ill be called a ranting pleb in amongst lots of laughing heads,lols, thumbsups and plebs......its not tyour out of your depth talking to me,your out of your depth full stop.........

here you go again. Absolutely no sense to your post what so ever.

When someone makes an obvious point that you dont like to admit you tend to say "how do you know? X,y and z could happen" even though x,y or z is ridiculously unlikely.

Remember what i said the other day regarding someone asking me what would happen if someone jumped out of a plane at 30000 feet? Me answering "death" and you responding with "how do you know? You may land on another passing plane and be fine" - and think both are equal statements

How about this.... YOU put forward a counter, and not a reply that consists of "there may be an alternative" - tell me what it is and why you think there is equal chance than my view on the situation.

Do your best

anything that points out that you are not seeing the full picture...how can you unless your privy to tans finances and thoughts gets ignored................
anything that is said that fails to accept that is fantasy..................

bit of a keyboard warrior on the sly eh...

have you done your maths today monopolyman

The irony of these two sentences is hilarious. Soulofthesea, most of your posts are chasing people who disagree with you and going on about fantasies and how unintelligent they are.

ignore every point............its called brainwashed sir..............you want to hate.....so hate you will

please find the post where i said...........how do you know.....regarding death............this is so you lies lies and more lies.....sounds like you make up the other persons post and reply to your own imagination

Holy smokes you really are cardiffs swansealad

It was an example of your kind of post mr soulofthesea. I say something obvious and you say something ridiculous as an alternative and assume they are equal and how dare i be so bold to state the absolute obvious when there is a whole host of ridiculous suggestions to explore

nope it was fantasy..................a pile of manure to belittle............your a liar Roath..and if mr chuckles can not figure that out he is thicker than i thought..............

nope it was fantasy..................a pile of manure to belittle............your a liar Roath..and if mr chuckles can not figure that out he is thicker than i thought..............

Which bit am I lying about soulofthesea?

Proof or you are lying

anything that points out that you are not seeing the full picture...how can you unless your privy to tans finances and thoughts gets ignored................
anything that is said that fails to accept that is fantasy..................

Ok and this in a nutshell is my point.

There are two options for example.

1) tan keeps his cash in his bank instead of giving it to you

2) tan comes over your house personally and gives you all his personal wealth.

Now considering we cant say for sure "because we arent privy to tans thoughts and finances" - you therefor think option 1 is fantasy?

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If you where (sic) wrong?

Come on Pete there was nothing to read. It was common sense

I'm able to get the point presented to you in this thread and read copyrights. All good thanx

Thanx? (sic)

Reading copyrights and understanding copyrights are completely different, the thread is still going if you would like to take it up with me again?

As for this thread? What point has been presented young man? £150m is manageable for the club alone because tan is a successful businessman?

Nice.

if you were a millionaire business man........youd fully understand that different people have different plans,and thoughts and ideas to yours........you would understand that........whats too much of a gamble in one mans eyes makes perfect sense to another....one might have better advice,,know things about situation the other doesnt............business as life does not have one highway,its diverse............your rigid business rantings show no understanding,or experience.....its all parrot fashion............you know this its why ill be called a ranting pleb in amongst lots of laughing heads,lols, thumbsups and plebs......its not tyour out of your depth talking to me,your out of your depth full stop.........

here you go again. Absolutely no sense to your post what so ever.

When someone makes an obvious point that you dont like to admit you tend to say "how do you know? X,y and z could happen" even though x,y or z is ridiculously unlikely.

Remember what i said the other day regarding someone asking me what would happen if someone jumped out of a plane at 30000 feet? Me answering "death" and you responding with "how do you know? You may land on another passing plane and be fine" - and think both are equal statements

How about this.... YOU put forward a counter, and not a reply that consists of "there may be an alternative" - tell me what it is and why you think there is equal chance than my view on the situation.

Do your best

please find the post where i said...........how do you know.....regarding death............this is so you lies lies and more lies.....sounds like you make up the other persons post and reply to your own imagination

so this is just an example................no.........you did actually make the post about people jumping out of planes,i think it had an escalator in it too..........was rubbish as per..........my alledged reply is made up....
bit desperate arnt you
and proved once and for all as a total liar..................

jesus christ.

Mr soulofthesea - it was an example to show your stupidity, not a word for word relay of what you actually said

It was an example to show how you rubbish the clearly obvious scenario because there are a multitude of almost impossible ones to throw out there. Talking to you is literally blunting the sharpness of my mind by the second. Its painful

nope it was fantasy..................a pile of manure to belittle............your a liar Roath..and if mr chuckles can not figure that out he is thicker than i thought..............

Which bit am I lying about soulofthesea?

Proof or you are lying

first you said id made the reply
then you said youd only said it as an example
your proof is in your own mind
its me that asked you...show me my post that says what you claim i said..........or anything remotely like it



i dont lie.............i dont need to..its a message board ffs
your life must be very very sad and lonely if you have to resort to fictional posts to hold your own

nope it was fantasy..................a pile of manure to belittle............your a liar Roath..and if mr chuckles can not figure that out he is thicker than i thought..............

Which bit am I lying about soulofthesea?

Proof or you are lying

first you said id made the reply
then you said youd only said it as an example
your proof is in your own mind
its me that asked you...show me my post that says what you claim i said..........or anything remotely like it



i dont lie.............i dont need to..its a message board ffs
your life must be very very sad and lonely if you have to resort to fictional posts to hold your own

Reply? Reply? There was nothing to reply to, it was an example you pleb nobody has ever asked me what would happen if you jump out of a plane?! Thats the point - ITS OBVIOUS

Je-sus christ

:lol: jesus christ.

Mr soulofthesea - it was an example to show your stupidity, not a word for word relay of what you actually said

It was an example to show how you rubbish the clearly obvious scenario because there are a multitude of almost impossible ones to throw out there. Talking to you is literally blunting the sharpness of my mind by the second. Its painful

oh we are back to it being an example.........read back.......thats not what you claimed.........your a liar.......and if you need to lie on here about this............what else?

:lol: jesus christ.

Mr soulofthesea - it was an example to show your stupidity, not a word for word relay of what you actually said

It was an example to show how you rubbish the clearly obvious scenario because there are a multitude of almost impossible ones to throw out there. Talking to you is literally blunting the sharpness of my mind by the second. Its painful

oh we are back to it being an example.........read back.......thats not what you claimed.........your a liar.......and if you need to lie on here about this............what else?

Holy shit, this is crazy - its unfair to swansealad to compare you both

You genuinely think im saying somebody ACTUALLY asked me what would happen if you jumped from a plane at 30,000 feet?

If you where (sic) wrong?

Come on Pete there was nothing to read. It was common sense

I'm able to get the point presented to you in this thread and read copyrights. All good thanx

Thanx? (sic)

Reading copyrights and understanding copyrights are completely different, the thread is still going if you would like to take it up with me again?

As for this thread? What point has been presented young man? £150m is manageable for the club alone because tan is a successful businessman?

Nice.

if you were a millionaire business man........youd fully understand that different people have different plans,and thoughts and ideas to yours........you would understand that........whats too much of a gamble in one mans eyes makes perfect sense to another....one might have better advice,,know things about situation the other doesnt............business as life does not have one highway,its diverse............your rigid business rantings show no understanding,or experience.....its all parrot fashion............you know this its why ill be called a ranting pleb in amongst lots of laughing heads,lols, thumbsups and plebs......its not tyour out of your depth talking to me,your out of your depth full stop.........

here you go again. Absolutely no sense to your post what so ever.

When someone makes an obvious point that you dont like to admit you tend to say "how do you know? X,y and z could happen" even though x,y or z is ridiculously unlikely.

Remember what i said the other day regarding someone asking me what would happen if someone jumped out of a plane at 30000 feet? Me answering "death" and you responding with "how do you know? You may land on another passing plane and be fine" - and think both are equal statements

How about this.... YOU put forward a counter, and not a reply that consists of "there may be an alternative" - tell me what it is and why you think there is equal chance than my view on the situation.

Do your best

i am clearly saying here...........how do you know?.........could land on another plane........
doesnt mention example anywhere...............
please produce my post that says these things..............................

anything that points out that you are not seeing the full picture...how can you unless your privy to tans finances and thoughts gets ignored................
anything that is said that fails to accept that is fantasy..................

Ok and this in a nutshell is my point.

There are two options for example.

1) tan keeps his cash in his bank instead of giving it to you

2) tan comes over your house personally and gives you all his personal wealth.

Now considering we cant say for sure "because we arent privy to tans thoughts and finances" - you therefor think option 1 is fantasy?

youve lost the plot LIAR

anything that points out that you are not seeing the full picture...how can you unless your privy to tans finances and thoughts gets ignored................
anything that is said that fails to accept that is fantasy..................

Ok and this in a nutshell is my point.

There are two options for example.

1) tan keeps his cash in his bank instead of giving it to you

2) tan comes over your house personally and gives you all his personal wealth.

Now considering we cant say for sure "because we arent privy to tans thoughts and finances" - you therefor think option 1 is fantasy?

youve lost the plot LIAR

You are literally frighteningly stupid

The post ive referred to in this thread, read the bold words.

:lol: of course it is guess work. Anything that hasn't happened yet is guesswork and ive never ever claimed otherwise. However we can have accurate guesses based on most likely scenario.

Business valuation is a method and not an impulse hence we can see what the club is roughly worth. Anything open market at slightly less than monetary value will sell, which is why we can come up with these figures and make a thesis on potential strategies and exit scenarios. The exact same ones tan will go thrugh.

Sometimes I think you reply just to talk to me rather than have any sort of point

the point is made...............anything that hasnt happened yet is guesswork............

yes but educated guesswork. If I were to sell my house now I'd get round 550k for it. It hasn't happened yet but know what I would roughly get

Tan claims he has put in 140mill........he could stay and invest various amounts of money { i could guess but im not thick.}

he could gift you a billion dollars just do fun too - but again that isn't likely based on common sense and what we know.

he could stay and slowly asset strip the club paying back the debt as he goes along......

but he won't because it makes no sense to do that. This is why an educated guess differs from just a random possible scenario.

and he could wake up one morning and say f**k it.........wouldnt be a businessman of the year move, but possible...........

again this is not really possible or plausible. You seem confused between educated guess and random scenario.

An example.... someone asking what will happen if you jump out of a plane at 30000 feet with no parachute and me saying "death".

You then come back with "how do you know? You may land on another passing plane and fall through the roof into another seat and land safely" and thinking both guesses are equal. .

many very wealthy men divorce their wives every year too.....not good business,but to them makes good sense.........

What?

its not all in books roath my son......life is like a box of chocolates......

again... What?

oh..and no...this isnt talking ...there is no debate with you..........you bait us,and we bite......being contentious all the time just to have posts aimed at you so that you can reply..is not talking.........its attention seeking

in what way is saying Cardiff after asset stripping will worth around 30 mill in any way contentious?

You just read my posts, don't understand them so instead of asking... start ranting