Fight for blue.... Team? Club?... Home truths.

From what I'm reading people are scared of what will happen if tan goes. My point is that tan will leave it's just a matter of time. Tan has increased the debt from 30 odd mil to 130 odd mil, the longer he stays the more debt we are going to be in. Get him out ASAP is my message before he does any more damage

Loads of threads recently on the fight to return to blue. And it normally ends up in lots of people saying "turn up and support the team" as if that will solve everything.

Is it the "team" that you support or the "club"? They are two completely different entities. The answer is probably both, and rightly so, but which one is fundamental and of paramount importance?

It is the CLUB that needs fighting for - not the team. The team are an irrelevance when it comes to the main issue, teams will come and go and change every year as they always have done. The club needs the attention and if that neglects the team then so what? Most of that side probably wont be Cardiff players in 2 years time anyway.

Its the mantra we took on when ousting Petty. I find it funny people saying "will we ramp up the protest ir will it die down?" - the protest die down?! Its for 60 seconds per match for gods sake.

The team took a backseat while we fought for the club. We barely watched the game, 105 minute non stop chanting, even through half time. The club was our sole and only focus. Far too many people wanting to have their cake an eat it. Participate
into the token 60 second scarf raising so everyone can take a pretty photo to prove they are doing something.... Then 99% of the day supporting tans creation in the hope his crippling cash loans that are killing the club can take you on yet another unsustainable debt riddled glory season in the prem.

It seems the club is fought for less than 1% of your match day time (barring the odd fleeting chant), the rest is dedicated to the mercenaries on the pitch. I think that is madness.

It was about 12 Very good supporters and a carrier bag containing £22,000 that got rid of Petty. Are you suggesting Tan will accept that?

Not really. Petty was onto a good thing, he bought the club for a quid and all he needed to do was facilitate the liquidation of the club and would profit any excess. He sold for a reason. And that was us as supporters, thats well documented.
Tan, if forced to leave will sell assets and keep income equivalent to what he has put in. In that sense it doesnt make a difference if it was £1 div 3 swansea or a £100m championship cardiff - if the end game is they get their money back then there is no difference at all.

According to the Swansea Trust he sold to them because, "The taxman was due to come into the Vetch the next day to seize assets, so Petty's hands were tied," "He either got something for the club by selling to us, or he ended up with nothing. A phone call came through to me and all he said was something like 'Do you want to buy a football club?'
It was a worrying time, because I really don't think he would have cared if he'd walked away and left no football club behind.

"The meeting that night started around 7pm. I thought we would sign here and sign there and say goodbye, but he was very difficult to deal with and it dragged on until something like 11pm.

"At the end, those of us who were there — myself, Steve, Mel and Tim Jones (Nurse's solicitor) — had a whip-round to give him the pound he had paid for the club in the first place back.

"We gave him it in loose change and he just tossed it on the floor. That was his parting shot."

The above post is David Morgans take on how Petty was bought out by the trust,

The above post is David Morgans take on how Petty was bought out by the trust,

And who were the trust? The group set up by fans for the fans, not just a handful of people. We forced him out and put our hands in our pockets to buy him out with the help of the mel nurse led consortium. The scenes each match were imcredible.

Tan has already said - be rude to me and i will leave - thats more of a clue than Petty ever gave us

how many times are you going to lecture us on our club? getting boring to say the least ! no i havnt read this thread as you just repeat same crap time & time again! but hey no doubt someone is pleased at hits you generate repeating yourself!

As many times as it takes, you will thank me eventually

The above post is David Morgans take on how Petty was bought out by the trust,

And who were the trust? The group set up by fans for the fans, not just a handful of people. We forced him out and put our hands in our pockets to buy him out with the help of the mel nurse led consortium. The scenes each match were imcredible.

Tan has already said - be rude to me and i will leave - thats more of a clue than Petty ever gave us

Be rude, leave you in what...

i didnt say "in" anything,

how many times are you going to lecture us on our club? getting boring to say the least ! no i havnt read this thread as you just repeat same crap time & time again! but hey no doubt someone is pleased at hits you generate repeating yourself!

As many times as it takes, you will thank me eventually

Our situation is nothing like you lot had with Petty. It was better to go under without Petty than with him. Yes the trust did well but thanks to local and outside generosity and no deduction of points you survived.
Of course a huge majority support blue but also a major majority support Tan. They don't want him gone. Don't take this message board as the barometer. Your ever patronising attitude is a little tedious so duck off we don't need you lot to put a quid in the pot. Unlike you lot we have pride. Remaining the only club in Wales free of going to the wall means so much more to us than you. A club with a history of hand outs chaired by a man with a history of debt in a ground owned by the ratepayers. Offer us advice you must be mad.

how many times are you going to lecture us on our club? getting boring to say the least ! no i havnt read this thread as you just repeat same crap time & time again! but hey no doubt someone is pleased at hits you generate repeating yourself!

As many times as it takes, you will thank me eventually

Our situation is nothing like you lot had with Petty. It was better to go under without Petty than with him. Yes the trust did well but thanks to local and outside generosity and no deduction of points you survived.
Of course a huge majority support blue but also a major majority support Tan. They don't want him gone. Don't take this message board as the barometer. Your ever patronising attitude is a little tedious so duck off we don't need you lot to put a quid in the pot. Unlike you lot we have pride. Remaining the only club in Wales free of going to the wall means so much more to us than you. A club with a history of hand outs chaired by a man with a history of debt in a ground owned by the ratepayers. Offer us advice you must be mad.

a proud history of paying back money? You do realise you have just borrowed £150m you cannot pay back which sarted from the club not being able to pay the tax man, mere months later - getting someone else to pay Sam Hammam significantly less than what he was owed to settle it because the club couldnt afford to?

We are currently chaired by arguably the best chairman in britain that has not loaned anything the club cannot afford to pay back

But back to you - as a result of your fans actions you now play in red. That doesnt tell me that you dont need outside advice

how many times are you going to lecture us on our club? getting boring to say the least ! no i havnt read this thread as you just repeat same crap time & time again! but hey no doubt someone is pleased at hits you generate repeating yourself!

As many times as it takes, you will thank me eventually

Our situation is nothing like you lot had with Petty. It was better to go under without Petty than with him. Yes the trust did well but thanks to local and outside generosity and no deduction of points you survived.
Of course a huge majority support blue but also a major majority support Tan. They don't want him gone. Don't take this message board as the barometer. Your ever patronising attitude is a little tedious so duck off we don't need you lot to put a quid in the pot. Unlike you lot we have pride. Remaining the only club in Wales free of going to the wall means so much more to us than you. A club with a history of hand outs chaired by a man with a history of debt in a ground owned by the ratepayers. Offer us advice you must be mad.

a proud history of paying back money? You do realise you have just borrowed £150m you cannot pay back which sarted from the club not being able to pay the tax man, mere months later - getting someone else to pay Sam Hammam significantly less than what he was owed to settle it because the club couldnt afford to?

We are currently chaired by arguably the best chairman in britain that has not loaned anything the club cannot afford to pay back

But back to you - as a result of your fans actions you now play in red. That doesnt tell me that you dont need outside advice

Tan has invested in the club as have many more rich people. I doubt he needs advice and the vast majority back him. Your views are of little importance.
Jenkins is no different to any other insolvent company owner. Cardiff Corries Chairman is also very good just like Jenkins.
As a result of tans actions we play in red.
Piper calls the tune. Petty wasn't the piper he couldn't afford a whistle let alone a pipe.congrats for outing him we'd do the same if Tan was a comparison. It's little wonder why most look on you as a little backward and feel sorry for you. I think your a little backward but sorry no chance, your nothing but a rash on the board.

i didnt say "in" anything,

Presumably in something..

The above post is David Morgans take on how Petty was bought out by the trust,

And who were the trust? The group set up by fans for the fans, not just a handful of people. We forced him out and put our hands in our pockets to buy him out with the help of the mel nurse led consortium. The scenes each match were imcredible.

Tan has already said - be rude to me and i will leave - thats more of a clue than Petty ever gave us

my understanding of it is, a consortium of business men purchased the club from Petty for 20k......the trust were then invited to become part of the running of the club/have shares..............how much did the trust contribute?......im sure Mr Roath has the answer, because as a teenager living 30 odd miles away he was the cornerstone to the buy out............

there were a lot of Swansea fans who put in a great deal of money,time and effort in those dark days for your club..
and you mouth off here pretending you were one of them............fantasy island

The above post is David Morgans take on how Petty was bought out by the trust,

And who were the trust? The group set up by fans for the fans, not just a handful of people. We forced him out and put our hands in our pockets to buy him out with the help of the mel nurse led consortium. The scenes each match were imcredible.,
Tan has already said - be rude to me and i will leave - thats more of a clue than Petty ever gave us

Be rude, leave you in what...

That is not a true statement though, Mel Nurse bought the debt of £801,000 from Ninth floor for £100,000 but he did not lead the consortium as you state,

If you read Morgans statement He said he sold to them because, "The taxman was due to come into the Vetch the next day to seize assets, or are you calling him a lier

The trust had a total of 600 members at the time and according to their report the march from Castle square to the Vetch Field attracted up to 2000 supporters, You were very critical of the 4000 that we had for our march, so your suggestion that we are not as active as Swansea is way of the mark.

one of your favourite sayings is...youve done the maths

well do these maths..........Petty wanted 20k
Tan has quoted 140 mill............slight difference
how the hell does a trust even get 1% of that total

The above post is David Morgans take on how Petty was bought out by the trust,

And who were the trust? The group set up by fans for the fans, not just a handful of people. We forced him out and put our hands in our pockets to buy him out with the help of the mel nurse led consortium. The scenes each match were imcredible.,
Tan has already said - be rude to me and i will leave - thats more of a clue than Petty ever gave us

Be rude, leave you in what...

That is not a true statement though, Mel Nurse bought the debt of £801,000 from Ninth floor for £100,000 but he did not lead the consortium as you state,

If you read Morgans statement He said he sold to them because, "The taxman was due to come into the Vetch the next day to seize assets, or are you calling him a lier

The trust had a total of 600 members at the time and according to their report the march from Castle square to the Vetch Field attracted up to 2000 supporters, You were very critical of the 4000 that we had for our march, so your suggestion that we are not as active as Swansea is way of the mark.

the evening post reported hundreds..not thousands btw

The above post is David Morgans take on how Petty was bought out by the trust,

And who were the trust? The group set up by fans for the fans, not just a handful of people. We forced him out and put our hands in our pockets to buy him out with the help of the mel nurse led consortium. The scenes each match were imcredible.,
Tan has already said - be rude to me and i will leave - thats more of a clue than Petty ever gave us

Be rude, leave you in what...

That is not a true statement though, Mel Nurse bought the debt of £801,000 from Ninth floor for £100,000 but he did not lead the consortium as you state,

If you read Morgans statement He said he sold to them because, "The taxman was due to come into the Vetch the next day to seize assets, or are you calling him a lier

The trust had a total of 600 members at the time and according to their report the march from Castle square to the Vetch Field attracted up to 2000 supporters, You were very critical of the 4000 that we had for our march, so your suggestion that we are not as active as Swansea is way of the mark.

the evening post reported hundreds..not thousands btw

Hundreds for what?

The figures mentioned above are from the People who were at the Cardiff Hotel on the night he handed over Swansea City.

Although Quite a few supporters took a lot of time and personal financial loss it was in no way like Roathie is trying to make out.

Tan has invested in the club as have many more rich people. I doubt he needs advice and the vast majority back him. Your views are of little importance.
Jenkins is no different to any other insolvent company owner. Cardiff Corries Chairman is also very good just like Jenkins.
As a result of tans actions we play in red.
Piper calls the tune. Petty wasn't the piper he couldn't afford a whistle let alone a pipe.congrats for outing him we'd do the same if Tan was a comparison. It's little wonder why most look on you as a little backward and feel sorry for you. I think your a little backward but sorry no chance, your nothing but a rash on the board.

Again, it makes little difference. Once he sells your assets he will have his money back - the same end game in which petty decided it was best to move on.

Jenkins is the best chairman in the premier league at running a club within its means, to suggest otherwise is lunacy.

Simple as that.

The above post is David Morgans take on how Petty was bought out by the trust,

And who were the trust? The group set up by fans for the fans, not just a handful of people. We forced him out and put our hands in our pockets to buy him out with the help of the mel nurse led consortium. The scenes each match were imcredible.,
Tan has already said - be rude to me and i will leave - thats more of a clue than Petty ever gave us

Be rude, leave you in what...

That is not a true statement though, Mel Nurse bought the debt of £801,000 from Ninth floor for £100,000 but he did not lead the consortium as you state,

If you read Morgans statement He said he sold to them because, "The taxman was due to come into the Vetch the next day to seize assets, or are you calling him a lier

The trust had a total of 600 members at the time and according to their report the march from Castle square to the Vetch Field attracted up to 2000 supporters, You were very critical of the 4000 that we had for our march, so your suggestion that we are not as active as Swansea is way of the mark.

the evening post reported hundreds..not thousands btw

Hundreds for what?

The figures mentioned above are from the People who were at the Cardiff Hotel on the night he handed over Swansea City.

Although Quite a few supporters took a lot of time and personal financial loss it was in no way like Roathie is trying to make out.

the evening post reported hundreds marched................i am aware of what happened,and the financial figures involved
its his constant WE did this, WE did that,this is what you should do that bugs me...........was a relatively very small amount of money....to compare in any way is ludicrous..........but back he will come ..the big i am..saviour of the Swans, and chief advisor to any idiots that private message him for a financial opinion on Cardiff..........

one of your favourite sayings is...youve done the maths

well do these maths..........Petty wanted 20k
Tan has quoted 140 mill............slight difference
how the hell does a trust even get 1% of that total

You dont have to be taken over by the trust. I dont think you quite understand.

i didnt say "in" anything,

Presumably in something..

No idea what you are talking about im afraid.

The above post is David Morgans take on how Petty was bought out by the trust,

And who were the trust? The group set up by fans for the fans, not just a handful of people. We forced him out and put our hands in our pockets to buy him out with the help of the mel nurse led consortium. The scenes each match were imcredible.,
Tan has already said - be rude to me and i will leave - thats more of a clue than Petty ever gave us

Be rude, leave you in what...

That is not a true statement though, Mel Nurse bought the debt of £801,000 from Ninth floor for £100,000 but he did not lead the consortium as you state,

If you read Morgans statement He said he sold to them because, "The taxman was due to come into the Vetch the next day to seize assets, or are you calling him a lier

The trust had a total of 600 members at the time and according to their report the march from Castle square to the Vetch Field attracted up to 2000 supporters, You were very critical of the 4000 that we had for our march, so your suggestion that we are not as active as Swansea is way of the mark.

the evening post reported hundreds..not thousands btw

Hundreds for what?

The figures mentioned above are from the People who were at the Cardiff Hotel on the night he handed over Swansea City.

Although Quite a few supporters took a lot of time and personal financial loss it was in no way like Roathie is trying to make out.

the evening post reported hundreds marched................i am aware of what happened,and the financial figures involved
its his constant WE did this, WE did that,this is what you should do that bugs me...........was a relatively very small amount of money....to compare in any way is ludicrous..........but back he will come ..the big i am..saviour of the Swans, and chief advisor to any idiots that private message him for a financial opinion on Cardiff..........

Thousands marched simple as that

The finances arent relevant as the asset value is different too - its exactly the same.

The above post is David Morgans take on how Petty was bought out by the trust,

And who were the trust? The group set up by fans for the fans, not just a handful of people. We forced him out and put our hands in our pockets to buy him out with the help of the mel nurse led consortium. The scenes each match were imcredible.,
Tan has already said - be rude to me and i will leave - thats more of a clue than Petty ever gave us

Be rude, leave you in what...

That is not a true statement though, Mel Nurse bought the debt of £801,000 from Ninth floor for £100,000 but he did not lead the consortium as you state,

If you read Morgans statement He said he sold to them because, "The taxman was due to come into the Vetch the next day to seize assets, or are you calling him a lier

The trust had a total of 600 members at the time and according to their report the march from Castle square to the Vetch Field attracted up to 2000 supporters, You were very critical of the 4000 that we had for our march, so your suggestion that we are not as active as Swansea is way of the mark.

Mel nurse DID lead the consortium and it was his debt purchase from 9th floor that was instrumental. In fact ive posted the minutes from the meeting on here if you would like to do some digging.

We had a match going attendance of 4000 at the time and over 50% of that marched against petty. It was more like 75%.

Your march was pathetic because you have a match going crowd of 27,000 and a mere 4,000 turned up even though it was hundreds of yards away from the match.... Not to mention it took 2 years even for that

So id suggest its bang on the money in fact which many many cardiff fans themselves have also recognised.

one of your favourite sayings is...youve done the maths

well do these maths..........Petty wanted 20k
Tan has quoted 140 mill............slight difference
how the hell does a trust even get 1% of that total

You dont have to be taken over by the trust. I dont think you quite understand.

no mr roath, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out my point
you were the one saying...and who are the trust..re swansea and petty.............the sit is vastly different......a child nows this, but you dont........pick a sentence and bite ,thats you,thick.........try doing your A levels sonny jim

i didnt say "in" anything,

Presumably in something..

No idea what you are talking about im afraid.

standard roath i dont comprehend being wrong answer

The above post is David Morgans take on how Petty was bought out by the trust,

And who were the trust? The group set up by fans for the fans, not just a handful of people. We forced him out and put our hands in our pockets to buy him out with the help of the mel nurse led consortium. The scenes each match were imcredible.,
Tan has already said - be rude to me and i will leave - thats more of a clue than Petty ever gave us

Be rude, leave you in what...

That is not a true statement though, Mel Nurse bought the debt of £801,000 from Ninth floor for £100,000 but he did not lead the consortium as you state,

If you read Morgans statement He said he sold to them because, "The taxman was due to come into the Vetch the next day to seize assets, or are you calling him a lier

The trust had a total of 600 members at the time and according to their report the march from Castle square to the Vetch Field attracted up to 2000 supporters, You were very critical of the 4000 that we had for our march, so your suggestion that we are not as active as Swansea is way of the mark.

Mel nurse DID lead the consortium and it was his debt purchase from 9th floor that was instrumental. In fact ive posted the minutes from the meeting on here if you would like to do some digging.

We had a match going attendance of 4000 at the time and over 50% of that marched against petty. It was more like 75%.

Your march was pathetic because you have a match going crowd of 27,000 and a mere 4,000 turned up even though it was hundreds of yards away from the match.... Not to mention it took 2 years even for that

So id suggest its bang on the money in fact which many many cardiff fans themselves have also recognised.

dont be so bloody stupid............when your crowds are down to 4000, whats left are the hardcore that would walk over broken glass for the club...........and petty didnt hold loan notes ffs,.,,,,,under him there was a chance of the club going.....and the threat was iminent..............not maybe this or in 24 months that..........shame you were not an adult at the time to f*cking understand

The above post is David Morgans take on how Petty was bought out by the trust,

And who were the trust? The group set up by fans for the fans, not just a handful of people. We forced him out and put our hands in our pockets to buy him out with the help of the mel nurse led consortium. The scenes each match were imcredible.,
Tan has already said - be rude to me and i will leave - thats more of a clue than Petty ever gave us

Be rude, leave you in what...

That is not a true statement though, Mel Nurse bought the debt of £801,000 from Ninth floor for £100,000 but he did not lead the consortium as you state,

If you read Morgans statement He said he sold to them because, "The taxman was due to come into the Vetch the next day to seize assets, or are you calling him a lier

The trust had a total of 600 members at the time and according to their report the march from Castle square to the Vetch Field attracted up to 2000 supporters, You were very critical of the 4000 that we had for our march, so your suggestion that we are not as active as Swansea is way of the mark.

the evening post reported hundreds..not thousands btw

Hundreds for what?

The figures mentioned above are from the People who were at the Cardiff Hotel on the night he handed over Swansea City.

Although Quite a few supporters took a lot of time and personal financial loss it was in no way like Roathie is trying to make out.

the evening post reported hundreds marched................i am aware of what happened,and the financial figures involved
its his constant WE did this, WE did that,this is what you should do that bugs me...........was a relatively very small amount of money....to compare in any way is ludicrous..........but back he will come ..the big i am..saviour of the Swans, and chief advisor to any idiots that private message him for a financial opinion on Cardiff..........

Thousands marched simple as that

The finances arent relevant as the asset value is different too - its exactly the same.

ah right................so tesco is the same as the local newsagents.???????..............top remark...20k THE SAME as 140 million?
this is a joke
not even chuckie is this thick

one of your favourite sayings is...youve done the maths

well do these maths..........Petty wanted 20k
Tan has quoted 140 mill............slight difference
how the hell does a trust even get 1% of that total

You dont have to be taken over by the trust. I dont think you quite understand.

i find this reply really funny...............youve read those figures......and come up with..you dont have to be taken over by the trust????
never........and theres me thinking Sam and Tan, Abramovich,the glaziers,sheikh mansour and every other chairman/owner.....were mere figure heads for trusts..............you f*cking beaut

no mr roath, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out my point
you were the one saying...and who are the trust..re swansea and petty.............the sit is vastly different......a child nows this, but you dont........pick a sentence and bite ,thats you,thick.........try doing your A levels sonny jim

everyone "nows" this... And then you call me thick

Your point is irrelevant as ive explained

i didnt say "in" anything,

Presumably in something..

No idea what you are talking about im afraid.

standard roath i dont comprehend being wrong answer

Thats a standard roath - i dont know what you are talking about response.

Feel free to shed any light. Although with your track record of not even understanding simple concepts i dont hold out much hope

dont be so bloody stupid............when your crowds are down to 4000, whats left are the hardcore that would walk over broken glass for the club...........and petty didnt hold loan notes ffs,.,,,,,under him there was a chance of the club going.....and the threat was iminent..............not maybe this or in 24 months that..........shame you were not an adult at the time to f*cking understand

Eh? What are you wittering on about now man

So we have a hardcore who will walk over broken glass for the club - where as your hardcore dont bother because there is a lot of plastics too? That makes no sense.

What has loan notes got to do with anything? Do you actually understand the situation? It doesnt sound like it.

What has me being 16/17 got to do with anything? Do you even understand your own points when you say them?