Am I being negative or just honest ?

As to the debt of course I am concerned very,who surely would not be?

I doubt that you would think it right to say to your daughter that you didn't think she was good enough to achieve something but would fully support her? It may be honest, but would be overly negative and have a detrimental impact. That's what your doing on a public forum that you have Said you know OGS reads You cannot tell someone you fully support them whilst telling them their not up to it Your negativity is driven by matters outside OGS control. As far as I'm concerned last season is a write off and should not be used to judge OGS at this moment in time. We are in fact in a better position than when Malky arrived in that the owner has a manager in place who he wants there so should work better together and OGS has had 5 months here to know the ins and outs of the club. He is more experienced than Malky when he arrived here and we know what Malky was able to achieve, we have also seen what Sean Dyche has just done at Burnley, so the experience aspect means nothing. Let's see OGS assemble his own team and gets it playing his brand of football. I would love to see us playing teams off the park next year, scoring goals for fun and blitzing teams, then you will see the fans returning in their droves

Hear hear

Yes this just being honest bollox don't sit right with me....some of the biggest cunts I've ever met were just being honest.

The wife says to me do I look nice in this Dress?

Honestly you look lovely.

Happy Days.

As to the debt of course I am concerned very,who surely would not be?

I doubt that you would think it right to say to your daughter that you didn't think she was good enough to achieve something but would fully support her? It may be honest, but would be overly negative and have a detrimental impact. That's what your doing on a public forum that you have Said you know OGS reads You cannot tell someone you fully support them whilst telling them their not up to it Your negativity is driven by matters outside OGS control. As far as I'm concerned last season is a write off and should not be used to judge OGS at this moment in time. We are in fact in a better position than when Malky arrived in that the owner has a manager in place who he wants there so should work better together and OGS has had 5 months here to know the ins and outs of the club. He is more experienced than Malky when he arrived here and we know what Malky was able to achieve, we have also seen what Sean Dyche has just done at Burnley, so the experience aspect means nothing. Let's see OGS assemble his own team and gets it playing his brand of football. I would love to see us playing teams off the park next year, scoring goals for fun and blitzing teams, then you will see the fans returning in their droves

Hear hear

Anybody would have to be deaf, dumb and blind to not realise the thread is just to engineer hits on the site as the football season is now over and maintaining hits will decline sharply, personally I think the thread is just a business ploy.

Great City signing all these new players, as long as it does not put us more in debt

But at the end of the day it does not matter how good the players are we sign, it's how that City are managed that will really matter?

Ole actually knows my opinion as we discussed it at the payer of the year evening, after he told me that he and many of the players read this forum.

I believe in honesty,I have loads of Respect for Ole as a person,but I am worried about next season,but I will be fully supporting him during every game,no matter what the results are

Opinions please

sit back and relax..its going to be a thrill ride, with goals, good play and excitement....i cant wait to se OLES TEAM play

Great City signing all these new players, as long as it does not put us more in debt

But at the end of the day it does not matter how good the players are we sign, it's how that City are managed that will really matter?

Ole actually knows my opinion as we discussed it at the payer of the year evening, after he told me that he and many of the players read this forum.

I believe in honesty,I have loads of Respect for Ole as a person,but I am worried about next season,but I will be fully supporting him during every game,no matter what the results are

Opinions please

10 matches in, see where we are and take it from there.

Still like to see an experienced no 2. Mike Phelan would be ideal.

His signings so far as you state look good, and presumably more to come - especially to replace Caulker & Marshall. Hudson & Lewis will do ok but not good enough due primarily to lack of football.

Brayford will be like a new signing as well.

My opinion for what its worth!!! Ole has a fresh start in my eyes he is now able to build his own team and we should judge him on that at the end of the season. Its been a great start he is addressing our main problem, which is scoring goals. I am also sure there will be more additions in midfield, defense and a new Goalkeeper. All these players will want to play for their manager unlike many of the players towards the end of last season. No need for me to name names, we all know the non triers from last season. Then we come to the debt and players wages. I think we all know the likes of Medel, Caulker, Campbell, Kenwyne Jones, Tommy Smith, Marshall, Maynard, and a few more will be leaving which no doubt will improve the balance sheet enormously through reducing the wage bill and dding much need coffers into the club via transfer fees.
As for you being negative or just honest? Personally I couldn't care less what your thoughts or opinions are as they are no more relevant to me than any other Cardiff City fan. However what I will say as the owner of this forum and one of the older Cardiff City fans the younger element and those easily led tend to look up to you and listen to what you have to say. It is of course up to you what you say but in my humble opinion you should be careful on your choice of words and rather than portray a negative attitude towards our manager give him your wholehearted support and rally the fans behind him to give our team the best possible chance of success

As to the debt of course I am concerned very,who surely would not be?

I doubt that you would think it right to say to your daughter that you didn't think she was good enough to achieve something but would fully support her? It may be honest, but would be overly negative and have a detrimental impact. That's what your doing on a public forum that you have Said you know OGS reads You cannot tell someone you fully support them whilst telling them their not up to it Your negativity is driven by matters outside OGS control. As far as I'm concerned last season is a write off and should not be used to judge OGS at this moment in time. We are in fact in a better position than when Malky arrived in that the owner has a manager in place who he wants there so should work better together and OGS has had 5 months here to know the ins and outs of the club. He is more experienced than Malky when he arrived here and we know what Malky was able to achieve, we have also seen what Sean Dyche has just done at Burnley, so the experience aspect means nothing. Let's see OGS assemble his own team and gets it playing his brand of football. I would love to see us playing teams off the park next year, scoring goals for fun and blitzing teams, then you will see the fans returning in their droves

Don't ever bring my family in to a football debate end off.

As to the debt of course I am concerned very,who surely would not be?

I doubt that you would think it right to say to your daughter that you didn't think she was good enough to achieve something but would fully support her? It may be honest, but would be overly negative and have a detrimental impact. That's what your doing on a public forum that you have Said you know OGS reads You cannot tell someone you fully support them whilst telling them their not up to it Your negativity is driven by matters outside OGS control. As far as I'm concerned last season is a write off and should not be used to judge OGS at this moment in time. We are in fact in a better position than when Malky arrived in that the owner has a manager in place who he wants there so should work better together and OGS has had 5 months here to know the ins and outs of the club. He is more experienced than Malky when he arrived here and we know what Malky was able to achieve, we have also seen what Sean Dyche has just done at Burnley, so the experience aspect means nothing. Let's see OGS assemble his own team and gets it playing his brand of football. I would love to see us playing teams off the park next year, scoring goals for fun and blitzing teams, then you will see the fans returning in their droves

Don't ever bring my family in to a football debate end off.

I think your getting the wrong end of the stick here Annis. I can see what Leytonstoneblue is trying to say. You may be trying to be honest but your honesty has a detrimental impact on our club and that is because as an owner of this forum some fans listen to what you have to say. You could be a force for good if you used your status wisely but unfortunately you don't. I would encourage you to rally the fans behind Ole rather than look at his supposed inexperience or lack of tactical nous which by the way I personally disagree with but I'm just an ordinary Joe supporter with no influence over the younger element of our support

As to the debt of course I am concerned very,who surely would not be?

I doubt that you would think it right to say to your daughter that you didn't think she was good enough to achieve something but would fully support her? It may be honest, but would be overly negative and have a detrimental impact. That's what your doing on a public forum that you have Said you know OGS reads You cannot tell someone you fully support them whilst telling them their not up to it Your negativity is driven by matters outside OGS control. As far as I'm concerned last season is a write off and should not be used to judge OGS at this moment in time. We are in fact in a better position than when Malky arrived in that the owner has a manager in place who he wants there so should work better together and OGS has had 5 months here to know the ins and outs of the club. He is more experienced than Malky when he arrived here and we know what Malky was able to achieve, we have also seen what Sean Dyche has just done at Burnley, so the experience aspect means nothing. Let's see OGS assemble his own team and gets it playing his brand of football. I would love to see us playing teams off the park next year, scoring goals for fun and blitzing teams, then you will see the fans returning in their droves

Don't ever bring my family in to a football debate end off.

I think your getting the wrong end of the stick here Annis. I can see what Leytonstoneblue is trying to say. You may be trying to be honest but your honesty has a detrimental impact on our club and that is because as an owner of this forum some fans listen to what you have to say. You could be a force for good if you used your status wisely but unfortunately you don't. I would encourage you to rally the fans behind Ole rather than look at his supposed inexperience or lack of tactical nous which by the way I personally disagree with but I'm just an ordinary Joe supporter with no influence over the younger element of our support

Precisely

annis why are you all of a sudden VERYworried about our debt
surely even you can see our debt will be reduced before we even kick a ball in the championship
player sales income will be massively more than player purchases
out going players wages will be massively bigger than in coming players wages
and we have parachute payments to take into account
our average attendances were not greatly better in the premier league to our gates in our championship winning season
a winning team will bring in the crowds especially with an attacking football playing team rather than a boring defencive hoof ball mentality
I honestly believe we now have the chance to not only go straight back up but we will be more prepared to stay there under ole than we were under milky
also I think our finances will be better than when milky was here
just a shame we are not in blue
imo you should put every effort through this board into getting our blue back and stop trying to justify your backing of milky
your influence regarding our colours and badge imo is vital so channel all your energy /threads in that direction for the good of ccfc (please)

Honesty and negativity are not mutually exclusive.

You can be honest and negative at the same time.

Correct!

Our debt is all to Tan, frankly we are so far in it now that, as four and two years ago, it hardly makes a difference.

As to the debt of course I am concerned very,who surely would not be?

I doubt that you would think it right to say to your daughter that you didn't think she was good enough to achieve something but would fully support her? It may be honest, but would be overly negative and have a detrimental impact. That's what your doing on a public forum that you have Said you know OGS reads You cannot tell someone you fully support them whilst telling them their not up to it Your negativity is driven by matters outside OGS control. As far as I'm concerned last season is a write off and should not be used to judge OGS at this moment in time. We are in fact in a better position than when Malky arrived in that the owner has a manager in place who he wants there so should work better together and OGS has had 5 months here to know the ins and outs of the club. He is more experienced than Malky when he arrived here and we know what Malky was able to achieve, we have also seen what Sean Dyche has just done at Burnley, so the experience aspect means nothing. Let's see OGS assemble his own team and gets it playing his brand of football. I would love to see us playing teams off the park next year, scoring goals for fun and blitzing teams, then you will see the fans returning in their droves

Don't ever bring my family in to a football debate end off.

I think your getting the wrong end of the stick here Annis. I can see what Leytonstoneblue is trying to say. You may be trying to be honest but your honesty has a detrimental impact on our club and that is because as an owner of this forum some fans listen to what you have to say. You could be a force for good if you used your status wisely but unfortunately you don't. I would encourage you to rally the fans behind Ole rather than look at his supposed inexperience or lack of tactical nous which by the way I personally disagree with but I'm just an ordinary Joe supporter with no influence over the younger element of our support

Precisely

Ok fair enough, but I still don't see why there is a need to bring someone's child in to a football debate,on that point I don't understand .

ouch!

annis why are you all of a sudden VERYworried about our debt
surely even you can see our debt will be reduced before we even kick a ball in the championship
player sales income will be massively more than player purchases
out going players wages will be massively bigger than in coming players wages
and we have parachute payments to take into account
our average attendances were not greatly better in the premier league to our gates in our championship winning season
a winning team will bring in the crowds especially with an attacking football playing team rather than a boring defencive hoof ball mentality
I honestly believe we now have the chance to not only go straight back up but we will be more prepared to stay there under ole than we were under milky
also I think our finances will be better than when milky was here
just a shame we are not in blue
imo you should put every effort through this board into getting our blue back and stop trying to justify your backing of milky
your influence regarding our colours and badge imo is vital so channel all your energy /threads in that direction for the good of ccfc (please)

Steve,I've been worried about our debts from day one and I have been going on about it even more since it has increased ten fold under Tan and don't forget his promise 2 years ago.

As to the debt of course I am concerned very,who surely would not be?

I doubt that you would think it right to say to your daughter that you didn't think she was good enough to achieve something but would fully support her? It may be honest, but would be overly negative and have a detrimental impact. That's what your doing on a public forum that you have Said you know OGS reads You cannot tell someone you fully support them whilst telling them their not up to it Your negativity is driven by matters outside OGS control. As far as I'm concerned last season is a write off and should not be used to judge OGS at this moment in time. We are in fact in a better position than when Malky arrived in that the owner has a manager in place who he wants there so should work better together and OGS has had 5 months here to know the ins and outs of the club. He is more experienced than Malky when he arrived here and we know what Malky was able to achieve, we have also seen what Sean Dyche has just done at Burnley, so the experience aspect means nothing. Let's see OGS assemble his own team and gets it playing his brand of football. I would love to see us playing teams off the park next year, scoring goals for fun and blitzing teams, then you will see the fans returning in their droves

Don't ever bring my family in to a football debate end off.

I think your getting the wrong end of the stick here Annis. I can see what Leytonstoneblue is trying to say. You may be trying to be honest but your honesty has a detrimental impact on our club and that is because as an owner of this forum some fans listen to what you have to say. You could be a force for good if you used your status wisely but unfortunately you don't. I would encourage you to rally the fans behind Ole rather than look at his supposed inexperience or lack of tactical nous which by the way I personally disagree with but I'm just an ordinary Joe supporter with no influence over the younger element of our support

Precisely

Ok fair enough, but I still don't see why there is a need to bring someone's child in to a football debate,on that point I don't understand .

Annis, your 'daughter' was just an analogy, if your offended, then swap daughter for best friend or indeed anything that you care about. The point remains, that being honest in telling them that they are not good enough, just for the sake of honesty is counter productive. As Troobloo has said, you of all people, as a person with so much influence should be getting behind the manager and the team, as others follow your lead. There can be time for negativity, if OGS is not up to it, but to write off the man, before the season has even started is ridiculous.

As to the debt of course I am concerned very,who surely would not be?

I doubt that you would think it right to say to your daughter that you didn't think she was good enough to achieve something but would fully support her? It may be honest, but would be overly negative and have a detrimental impact. That's what your doing on a public forum that you have Said you know OGS reads You cannot tell someone you fully support them whilst telling them their not up to it Your negativity is driven by matters outside OGS control. As far as I'm concerned last season is a write off and should not be used to judge OGS at this moment in time. We are in fact in a better position than when Malky arrived in that the owner has a manager in place who he wants there so should work better together and OGS has had 5 months here to know the ins and outs of the club. He is more experienced than Malky when he arrived here and we know what Malky was able to achieve, we have also seen what Sean Dyche has just done at Burnley, so the experience aspect means nothing. Let's see OGS assemble his own team and gets it playing his brand of football. I would love to see us playing teams off the park next year, scoring goals for fun and blitzing teams, then you will see the fans returning in their droves

Don't ever bring my family in to a football debate end off.

I think your getting the wrong end of the stick here Annis. I can see what Leytonstoneblue is trying to say. You may be trying to be honest but your honesty has a detrimental impact on our club and that is because as an owner of this forum some fans listen to what you have to say. You could be a force for good if you used your status wisely but unfortunately you don't. I would encourage you to rally the fans behind Ole rather than look at his supposed inexperience or lack of tactical nous which by the way I personally disagree with but I'm just an ordinary Joe supporter with no influence over the younger element of our support

Precisely

Ok fair enough, but I still don't see why there is a need to bring someone's child in to a football debate,on that point I don't understand .

Annis, your 'daughter' was just an analogy, if your offended, then swap daughter for best friend or indeed anything that you care about. The point remains, that being honest in telling them that they are not good enough, just for the sake of honesty is counter productive. As Troobloo has said, you of all people, as a person with so much influence should be getting behind the manager and the team, as others follow your lead. There can be time for negativity, if OGS is not up to it, but to write off the man, before the season has even started is ridiculous.

Fair enough

Regarding writing of Ole, I am just going by my feelings and belief that Ole is not good enough to take us back up, I can't change my view to make others happy. Ole had 21 matches at the helm,which failed to convince me one bit and I also feel he is naive and not up to the pressure our club will put on him if he fails by Xmas to have us in the top 6 at least.
I really hope he proves me and others totally wrong, the man is a gent and I have a lot f respect for him as a football payer and as a person.

Like I say it's my feelings,but I will be clapping him at every game, like I did after our disastrous run last season, I never failed to clap him or the payers off at the end.
But us as fans are allowed our opinions


Ole could prove to be a great City manager and myself totally wrong

As to the debt of course I am concerned very,who surely would not be?

I doubt that you would think it right to say to your daughter that you didn't think she was good enough to achieve something but would fully support her? It may be honest, but would be overly negative and have a detrimental impact. That's what your doing on a public forum that you have Said you know OGS reads You cannot tell someone you fully support them whilst telling them their not up to it Your negativity is driven by matters outside OGS control. As far as I'm concerned last season is a write off and should not be used to judge OGS at this moment in time. We are in fact in a better position than when Malky arrived in that the owner has a manager in place who he wants there so should work better together and OGS has had 5 months here to know the ins and outs of the club. He is more experienced than Malky when he arrived here and we know what Malky was able to achieve, we have also seen what Sean Dyche has just done at Burnley, so the experience aspect means nothing. Let's see OGS assemble his own team and gets it playing his brand of football. I would love to see us playing teams off the park next year, scoring goals for fun and blitzing teams, then you will see the fans returning in their droves

Don't ever bring my family in to a football debate end off.

I think your getting the wrong end of the stick here Annis. I can see what Leytonstoneblue is trying to say. You may be trying to be honest but your honesty has a detrimental impact on our club and that is because as an owner of this forum some fans listen to what you have to say. You could be a force for good if you used your status wisely but unfortunately you don't. I would encourage you to rally the fans behind Ole rather than look at his supposed inexperience or lack of tactical nous which by the way I personally disagree with but I'm just an ordinary Joe supporter with no influence over the younger element of our support

Precisely

Ok fair enough, but I still don't see why there is a need to bring someone's child in to a football debate,on that point I don't understand .

Annis, your 'daughter' was just an analogy, if your offended, then swap daughter for best friend or indeed anything that you care about. The point remains, that being honest in telling them that they are not good enough, just for the sake of honesty is counter productive. As Troobloo has said, you of all people, as a person with so much influence should be getting behind the manager and the team, as others follow your lead. There can be time for negativity, if OGS is not up to it, but to write off the man, before the season has even started is ridiculous.

Fair enough

Regarding writing of Ole, I am just going by my feelings and belief that Ole is not good enough to take us back up, I can't change my view to make others happy. Ole had 21 matches at the helm,which failed to convince me one bit and I also feel he is naive and not up to the pressure our club will put on him if he fails by Xmas to have us in the top 6 at least.
I really hope he proves me and others totally wrong, the man is a gent and I have a lot f respect for him as a football payer and as a person.

Like I say it's my feelings,but I will be clapping him at every game, like I did after our disastrous run last season, I never failed to clap him or the payers off at the end.
But us as fans are allowed our opinions


Ole could prove to be a great City manager and myself totally wrong

Would reacted just the same about the daughter "analogy". Explain (excuse) it intellectually, but hey, theres more suited ways to get your point true.

annis I don't doubt your honesty or commitment to ccfc ive stood next to you last season at many away games claping our manager and players off the pitch(sometimes the players didn't deserve it) but I honestly also believe its time to put all the ole this milky that debate to bed once and for all lets just agree to differ in opinion and move on
like I said you and this board are so important to our aims of getting our blue and badge back and that's where energies should be directed

Ffs,anyone with a modicum of intellect,could see "daughter"in this case was an analogy! Some right touchy people on here lately.bring on the season I say! CCFC.

Ffs,anyone with a modicum of intellect,could see "daughter"in this case was an analogy! Some right touchy people on here lately.bring on the season I say! CCFC.

Probebly right. Barely slept this night because of deadline. Good night!

annis why are you all of a sudden VERYworried about our debt
surely even you can see our debt will be reduced before we even kick a ball in the championship
player sales income will be massively more than player purchases
out going players wages will be massively bigger than in coming players wages
and we have parachute payments to take into account
our average attendances were not greatly better in the premier league to our gates in our championship winning season
a winning team will bring in the crowds especially with an attacking football playing team rather than a boring defencive hoof ball mentality
I honestly believe we now have the chance to not only go straight back up but we will be more prepared to stay there under ole than we were under milky
also I think our finances will be better than when milky was here
just a shame we are not in blue
imo you should put every effort through this board into getting our blue back and stop trying to justify your backing of milky
your influence regarding our colours and badge imo is vital so channel all your energy /threads in that direction for the good of ccfc (please)

Steve,I've been worried about our debts from day one and I have been going on about it even more since it has increased ten fold under Tan and don't forget his promise 2 years ago.

Apparently the present investment into Cardiff city fc all areas is around 130 million and the app book value would be around
60 million in the stadium and a conservative value of say 30 million for players. (Could be more ) with other related commercial assets to be realised at around to 5 to 10 million. Naming rights , commercial corporate bookings and advertising etc. Hearsay has it we made a profit of 10 million. Assuming these figures are realistic it puts a value on all areas of 105 to 110 million, depends of course how the accounts are concluded to the advantage of the directors for tax purposes, or to the Club/Tan if the club was for sale. If my memory serves me correctly when tan took over we were app 80 million in debt inc Hammans and the taxmans debt, with assets of app. 50million leaving us with an overall deficit of 30 million. Which is almost the same as now. we have neither Hamman, taxman, or any imediate creditors at the moment . Can you please explain to the board how you arrive at the quote.
" tan has increased our debt ten fold". In my book we are in a better position now than at any time since the 50s. EXCEPT FOR THE COLOR THAT IS.

As to the debt of course I am concerned very,who surely would not be?

I doubt that you would think it right to say to your daughter that you didn't think she was good enough to achieve something but would fully support her? It may be honest, but would be overly negative and have a detrimental impact. That's what your doing on a public forum that you have Said you know OGS reads You cannot tell someone you fully support them whilst telling them their not up to it Your negativity is driven by matters outside OGS control. As far as I'm concerned last season is a write off and should not be used to judge OGS at this moment in time. We are in fact in a better position than when Malky arrived in that the owner has a manager in place who he wants there so should work better together and OGS has had 5 months here to know the ins and outs of the club. He is more experienced than Malky when he arrived here and we know what Malky was able to achieve, we have also seen what Sean Dyche has just done at Burnley, so the experience aspect means nothing. Let's see OGS assemble his own team and gets it playing his brand of football. I would love to see us playing teams off the park next year, scoring goals for fun and blitzing teams, then you will see the fans returning in their droves

Don't ever bring my family in to a football debate end off.

I think your getting the wrong end of the stick here Annis. I can see what Leytonstoneblue is trying to say. You may be trying to be honest but your honesty has a detrimental impact on our club and that is because as an owner of this forum some fans listen to what you have to say. You could be a force for good if you used your status wisely but unfortunately you don't. I would encourage you to rally the fans behind Ole rather than look at his supposed inexperience or lack of tactical nous which by the way I personally disagree with but I'm just an ordinary Joe supporter with no influence over the younger element of our support

Precisely

Ok fair enough, but I still don't see why there is a need to bring someone's child in to a football debate,on that point I don't understand .

Annis, your 'daughter' was just an analogy, if your offended, then swap daughter for best friend or indeed anything that you care about. The point remains, that being honest in telling them that they are not good enough, just for the sake of honesty is counter productive. As Troobloo has said, you of all people, as a person with so much influence should be getting behind the manager and the team, as others follow your lead. There can be time for negativity, if OGS is not up to it, but to write off the man, before the season has even started is ridiculous.

Fair enough

Regarding writing of Ole, I am just going by my feelings and belief that Ole is not good enough to take us back up, I can't change my view to make others happy. Ole had 21 matches at the helm,which failed to convince me one bit and I also feel he is naive and not up to the pressure our club will put on him if he fails by Xmas to have us in the top 6 at least.
I really hope he proves me and others totally wrong, the man is a gent and I have a lot f respect for him as a football payer and as a person.

Like I say it's my feelings,but I will be clapping him at every game, like I did after our disastrous run last season, I never failed to clap him or the payers off at the end.
But us as fans are allowed our opinions


Ole could prove to be a great City manager and myself totally wrong

Not asking you to change your view just to make others happy, but come on, OGS walked into a very tough situation last season, almost an impossible job, one could say. He didn't convince me either on that showing, however, the whole situation has now changed, we are in a division that, although tough, is not made up of teams with players that have the ability to turn a game around in an instant. I don't know what evidence you can provide of his naivety? he has just as much experience of management as Malky has, has the same coaching badges and has encountered far more pressure as a player than most. If he is failing by Xmas and its not happening then so be it, he will have no argument as it will be his team playing his way. Although results didn't happen last year, I'm convinced that the players never stopped playing for him, that says a lot to me about him as a man manager. Is the Norwegian first division where he won two titles and a cup that much poorer than the Championship? I don't think it is. So maybe OGS will find this league a little easier, it is certainly more forgiving than the Premiership. When he has his own team in place we will have a better idea of what he has been trying to do. I just think/hope that it was a case of the wrong manager, given the wrong team of players last year and certainly the wrong situation. This year, we could see a very different OGS, performances and results

As to the debt of course I am concerned very,who surely would not be?

I doubt that you would think it right to say to your daughter that you didn't think she was good enough to achieve something but would fully support her? It may be honest, but would be overly negative and have a detrimental impact. That's what your doing on a public forum that you have Said you know OGS reads You cannot tell someone you fully support them whilst telling them their not up to it Your negativity is driven by matters outside OGS control. As far as I'm concerned last season is a write off and should not be used to judge OGS at this moment in time. We are in fact in a better position than when Malky arrived in that the owner has a manager in place who he wants there so should work better together and OGS has had 5 months here to know the ins and outs of the club. He is more experienced than Malky when he arrived here and we know what Malky was able to achieve, we have also seen what Sean Dyche has just done at Burnley, so the experience aspect means nothing. Let's see OGS assemble his own team and gets it playing his brand of football. I would love to see us playing teams off the park next year, scoring goals for fun and blitzing teams, then you will see the fans returning in their droves

Don't ever bring my family in to a football debate end off.

I think your getting the wrong end of the stick here Annis. I can see what Leytonstoneblue is trying to say. You may be trying to be honest but your honesty has a detrimental impact on our club and that is because as an owner of this forum some fans listen to what you have to say. You could be a force for good if you used your status wisely but unfortunately you don't. I would encourage you to rally the fans behind Ole rather than look at his supposed inexperience or lack of tactical nous which by the way I personally disagree with but I'm just an ordinary Joe supporter with no influence over the younger element of our support

Precisely

Ok fair enough, but I still don't see why there is a need to bring someone's child in to a football debate,on that point I don't understand .

Annis, your 'daughter' was just an analogy, if your offended, then swap daughter for best friend or indeed anything that you care about. The point remains, that being honest in telling them that they are not good enough, just for the sake of honesty is counter productive. As Troobloo has said, you of all people, as a person with so much influence should be getting behind the manager and the team, as others follow your lead. There can be time for negativity, if OGS is not up to it, but to write off the man, before the season has even started is ridiculous.

Fair enough

Regarding writing of Ole, I am just going by my feelings and belief that Ole is not good enough to take us back up, I can't change my view to make others happy. Ole had 21 matches at the helm,which failed to convince me one bit and I also feel he is naive and not up to the pressure our club will put on him if he fails by Xmas to have us in the top 6 at least.
I really hope he proves me and others totally wrong, the man is a gent and I have a lot f respect for him as a football payer and as a person.

Like I say it's my feelings,but I will be clapping him at every game, like I did after our disastrous run last season, I never failed to clap him or the payers off at the end.
But us as fans are allowed our opinions


Ole could prove to be a great City manager and myself totally wrong

Not asking you to change your view just to make others happy, but come on, OGS walked into a very tough situation last season, almost an impossible job, one could say. He didn't convince me either on that showing, however, the whole situation has now changed, we are in a division that, although tough, is not made up of teams with players that have the ability to turn a game around in an instant. I don't know what evidence you can provide of his naivety? he has just as much experience of management as Malky has, has the same coaching badges and has encountered far more pressure as a player than most. If he is failing by Xmas and its not happening then so be it, he will have no argument as it will be his team playing his way. Although results didn't happen last year, I'm convinced that the players never stopped playing for him, that says a lot to me about him as a man manager. Is the Norwegian first division where he won two titles and a cup that much poorer than the Championship? I don't think it is. So maybe OGS will find this league a little easier, it is certainly more forgiving than the Premiership. When he has his own team in place we will have a better idea of what he has been trying to do. I just think/hope that it was a case of the wrong manager, given the wrong team of players last year and certainly the wrong situation. This year, we could see a very different OGS, performances and results

We all have our opinions and as usual I Respect yours, but I honestly feel Ole did a terrible job for us last season and I was not impressed at all watching the games,but it's a fresh start and I will be right behind him,but I have big reservations, hopefully I will be totally wrong

annis why are you all of a sudden VERYworried about our debt
surely even you can see our debt will be reduced before we even kick a ball in the championship
player sales income will be massively more than player purchases
out going players wages will be massively bigger than in coming players wages
and we have parachute payments to take into account
our average attendances were not greatly better in the premier league to our gates in our championship winning season
a winning team will bring in the crowds especially with an attacking football playing team rather than a boring defencive hoof ball mentality
I honestly believe we now have the chance to not only go straight back up but we will be more prepared to stay there under ole than we were under milky
also I think our finances will be better than when milky was here
just a shame we are not in blue
imo you should put every effort through this board into getting our blue back and stop trying to justify your backing of milky
your influence regarding our colours and badge imo is vital so channel all your energy /threads in that direction for the good of ccfc (please)

Steve,I've been worried about our debts from day one and I have been going on about it even more since it has increased ten fold under Tan and don't forget his promise 2 years ago.

Apparently the present investment into Cardiff city fc all areas is around 130 million and the app book value would be around
60 million in the stadium and a conservative value of say 30 million for players. (Could be more ) with other related commercial assets to be realised at around to 5 to 10 million. Naming rights , commercial corporate bookings and advertising etc. Hearsay has it we made a profit of 10 million. Assuming these figures are realistic it puts a value on all areas of 105 to 110 million, depends of course how the accounts are concluded to the advantage of the directors for tax purposes, or to the Club/Tan if the club was for sale. If my memory serves me correctly when tan took over we were app 80 million in debt inc Hammans and the taxmans debt, with assets of app. 50million leaving us with an overall deficit of 30 million. Which is almost the same as now. we have neither Hamman, taxman, or any imediate creditors at the moment . Can you please explain to the board how you arrive at the quote.
" tan has increased our debt ten fold". In my book we are in a better position now than at any time since the 50s. EXCEPT FOR THE COLOR THAT IS.

Danny, in my opinion we are def not in a better position regarding finances until Tan changes the debt to equity as promised, just wait for the latest accounts to be revealed, not good showing I have heard.

annis why are you all of a sudden VERYworried about our debt
surely even you can see our debt will be reduced before we even kick a ball in the championship
player sales income will be massively more than player purchases
out going players wages will be massively bigger than in coming players wages
and we have parachute payments to take into account
our average attendances were not greatly better in the premier league to our gates in our championship winning season
a winning team will bring in the crowds especially with an attacking football playing team rather than a boring defencive hoof ball mentality
I honestly believe we now have the chance to not only go straight back up but we will be more prepared to stay there under ole than we were under milky
also I think our finances will be better than when milky was here
just a shame we are not in blue
imo you should put every effort through this board into getting our blue back and stop trying to justify your backing of milky
your influence regarding our colours and badge imo is vital so channel all your energy /threads in that direction for the good of ccfc (please)

Steve,I've been worried about our debts from day one and I have been going on about it even more since it has increased ten fold under Tan and don't forget his promise 2 years ago.

Apparently the present investment into Cardiff city fc all areas is around 130 million and the app book value would be around
60 million in the stadium and a conservative value of say 30 million for players. (Could be more ) with other related commercial assets to be realised at around to 5 to 10 million. Naming rights , commercial corporate bookings and advertising etc. Hearsay has it we made a profit of 10 million. Assuming these figures are realistic it puts a value on all areas of 105 to 110 million, depends of course how the accounts are concluded to the advantage of the directors for tax purposes, or to the Club/Tan if the club was for sale. If my memory serves me correctly when tan took over we were app 80 million in debt inc Hammans and the taxmans debt, with assets of app. 50million leaving us with an overall deficit of 30 million. Which is almost the same as now. we have neither Hamman, taxman, or any imediate creditors at the moment . Can you please explain to the board how you arrive at the quote.
" tan has increased our debt ten fold". In my book we are in a better position now than at any time since the 50s. EXCEPT FOR THE COLOR THAT IS.

Danny, in my opinion we are def not in a better position regarding finances until Tan changes the debt to equity as promised, just wait for the latest accounts to be revealed, not good showing I have heard.

Not seen the accounts but been told that the year ending 2014 will show a profit of 10 million , l have heard since 62 claims its 12 million?. I agree Annis that D to E will be a position we all want as well as blue. My personal point is besides the color (big bollock)
Were generally in good hands financially, and a lot better than others.

annis why are you all of a sudden VERYworried about our debt
surely even you can see our debt will be reduced before we even kick a ball in the championship
player sales income will be massively more than player purchases
out going players wages will be massively bigger than in coming players wages
and we have parachute payments to take into account
our average attendances were not greatly better in the premier league to our gates in our championship winning season
a winning team will bring in the crowds especially with an attacking football playing team rather than a boring defencive hoof ball mentality
I honestly believe we now have the chance to not only go straight back up but we will be more prepared to stay there under ole than we were under milky
also I think our finances will be better than when milky was here
just a shame we are not in blue
imo you should put every effort through this board into getting our blue back and stop trying to justify your backing of milky
your influence regarding our colours and badge imo is vital so channel all your energy /threads in that direction for the good of ccfc (please)

Steve,I've been worried about our debts from day one and I have been going on about it even more since it has increased ten fold under Tan and don't forget his promise 2 years ago.

Apparently the present investment into Cardiff city fc all areas is around 130 million and the app book value would be around
60 million in the stadium and a conservative value of say 30 million for players. (Could be more ) with other related commercial assets to be realised at around to 5 to 10 million. Naming rights , commercial corporate bookings and advertising etc. Hearsay has it we made a profit of 10 million. Assuming these figures are realistic it puts a value on all areas of 105 to 110 million, depends of course how the accounts are concluded to the advantage of the directors for tax purposes, or to the Club/Tan if the club was for sale. If my memory serves me correctly when tan took over we were app 80 million in debt inc Hammans and the taxmans debt, with assets of app. 50million leaving us with an overall deficit of 30 million. Which is almost the same as now. we have neither Hamman, taxman, or any imediate creditors at the moment . Can you please explain to the board how you arrive at the quote.
" tan has increased our debt ten fold". In my book we are in a better position now than at any time since the 50s. EXCEPT FOR THE COLOR THAT IS.

Danny, in my opinion we are def not in a better position regarding finances until Tan changes the debt to equity as promised, just wait for the latest accounts to be revealed, not good showing I have heard.

Not seen the accounts but been told that the year ending 2014 will show a profit of 10 million , l have heard since 62 claims its 12 million?. I agree Annis that D to E will be a position we all want as well as blue. My personal point is besides the color (big bollock)
Were generally in good hands financially, and a lot better than others.

How do you know that the accounts ending 2014 will show a profit of £10m when we are only in the 5th month of 2014?

Also it has been stated numerous times that Tan is putting somewhere between £1m-£3m per month to keep the club afloat.

Didn't Tan say so much in a recent interview with Walesonline ?

annis why are you all of a sudden VERYworried about our debt
surely even you can see our debt will be reduced before we even kick a ball in the championship
player sales income will be massively more than player purchases
out going players wages will be massively bigger than in coming players wages
and we have parachute payments to take into account
our average attendances were not greatly better in the premier league to our gates in our championship winning season
a winning team will bring in the crowds especially with an attacking football playing team rather than a boring defencive hoof ball mentality
I honestly believe we now have the chance to not only go straight back up but we will be more prepared to stay there under ole than we were under milky
also I think our finances will be better than when milky was here
just a shame we are not in blue
imo you should put every effort through this board into getting our blue back and stop trying to justify your backing of milky
your influence regarding our colours and badge imo is vital so channel all your energy /threads in that direction for the good of ccfc (please)

Steve,I've been worried about our debts from day one and I have been going on about it even more since it has increased ten fold under Tan and don't forget his promise 2 years ago.

Apparently the present investment into Cardiff city fc all areas is around 130 million and the app book value would be around
60 million in the stadium and a conservative value of say 30 million for players. (Could be more ) with other related commercial assets to be realised at around to 5 to 10 million. Naming rights , commercial corporate bookings and advertising etc. Hearsay has it we made a profit of 10 million. Assuming these figures are realistic it puts a value on all areas of 105 to 110 million, depends of course how the accounts are concluded to the advantage of the directors for tax purposes, or to the Club/Tan if the club was for sale. If my memory serves me correctly when tan took over we were app 80 million in debt inc Hammans and the taxmans debt, with assets of app. 50million leaving us with an overall deficit of 30 million. Which is almost the same as now. we have neither Hamman, taxman, or any imediate creditors at the moment . Can you please explain to the board how you arrive at the quote.
" tan has increased our debt ten fold". In my book we are in a better position now than at any time since the 50s. EXCEPT FOR THE COLOR THAT IS.

Danny, in my opinion we are def not in a better position regarding finances until Tan changes the debt to equity as promised, just wait for the latest accounts to be revealed, not good showing I have heard.

Not seen the accounts but been told that the year ending 2014 will show a profit of 10 million , l have heard since 62 claims its 12 million?. I agree Annis that D to E will be a position we all want as well as blue. My personal point is besides the color (big bollock)
Were generally in good hands financially, and a lot better than others.

How do you know that the accounts ending 2014 will show a profit of £10m when we are only in the 5th month of 2014?

Also it has been stated numerous times that Tan is putting somewhere between £1m-£3m per month to keep the club afloat.

Didn't Tan say so much in a recent interview with Walesonline ?

Annis, financial years usually run march to April, I presume the club follows the same? If so the books should be in for auditing and will be released once ratified by the board

annis why are you all of a sudden VERYworried about our debt
surely even you can see our debt will be reduced before we even kick a ball in the championship
player sales income will be massively more than player purchases
out going players wages will be massively bigger than in coming players wages
and we have parachute payments to take into account
our average attendances were not greatly better in the premier league to our gates in our championship winning season
a winning team will bring in the crowds especially with an attacking football playing team rather than a boring defencive hoof ball mentality
I honestly believe we now have the chance to not only go straight back up but we will be more prepared to stay there under ole than we were under milky
also I think our finances will be better than when milky was here
just a shame we are not in blue
imo you should put every effort through this board into getting our blue back and stop trying to justify your backing of milky
your influence regarding our colours and badge imo is vital so channel all your energy /threads in that direction for the good of ccfc (please)

Steve,I've been worried about our debts from day one and I have been going on about it even more since it has increased ten fold under Tan and don't forget his promise 2 years ago.

Apparently the present investment into Cardiff city fc all areas is around 130 million and the app book value would be around
60 million in the stadium and a conservative value of say 30 million for players. (Could be more ) with other related commercial assets to be realised at around to 5 to 10 million. Naming rights , commercial corporate bookings and advertising etc. Hearsay has it we made a profit of 10 million. Assuming these figures are realistic it puts a value on all areas of 105 to 110 million, depends of course how the accounts are concluded to the advantage of the directors for tax purposes, or to the Club/Tan if the club was for sale. If my memory serves me correctly when tan took over we were app 80 million in debt inc Hammans and the taxmans debt, with assets of app. 50million leaving us with an overall deficit of 30 million. Which is almost the same as now. we have neither Hamman, taxman, or any imediate creditors at the moment . Can you please explain to the board how you arrive at the quote.
" tan has increased our debt ten fold". In my book we are in a better position now than at any time since the 50s. EXCEPT FOR THE COLOR THAT IS.

Danny, in my opinion we are def not in a better position regarding finances until Tan changes the debt to equity as promised, just wait for the latest accounts to be revealed, not good showing I have heard.

Not seen the accounts but been told that the year ending 2014 will show a profit of 10 million , l have heard since 62 claims its 12 million?. I agree Annis that D to E will be a position we all want as well as blue. My personal point is besides the color (big bollock)
Were generally in good hands financially, and a lot better than others.

How do you know that the accounts ending 2014 will show a profit of £10m when we are only in the 5th month of 2014?

Also it has been stated numerous times that Tan is putting somewhere between £1m-£3m per month to keep the club afloat.

Didn't Tan say so much in a recent interview with Walesonline ?

Annis, financial years usually run march to April, I presume the club follows the same? If so the books should be in for auditing and will be released once ratified by the board

That's correct it includes just about all last season. Tan did put in an average of 1.6 per month years 12 and 13 to cover mainly wages and taxation. He also covered 12 million for MM s summer 2012 premier League push. That's when a lot of 73 million accumulated.