' WILL VINCENT TAN ADMIT HE WAS WRONG ? '

No no no Carl. My point about the earlier thread was that it was being used not to illustrate Annis' change of mind on Bellamy but what was a poor attempt and trying to reinforce your opinions of Tan, Malky and Moody as being correct and reinforced by your meeting with Bellers. I can see what you were doing and so could many others in the thread.

What i was then stating in that thread was that it was preparing the ground for some later revelation which would more directly reinforce your opinions on Tan, Malky and Moody. Then look what happened tonight!

So please, I know exactly what I meant earlier, don't try to twist it. You've been found out, by myself and many others. Just accept it

Will someone first tell me the full story on malky and moody. If they were indeed on the take VT got it right!!Annis must know after his bellamy chat??????

Wez, I got told from a very good source last week the reason why Malky and Moody were sacked and it was not because they were on the take.

Annis asked Bellamy about what I told him and Bellamy confirmed it as correct.

Neither were 'on the take'.

Let's be honest Carl your sources are not always right

Depends which source tells me, on this one I am 100% convinced the info is correct and for a senior player to confirm it is more than enough for me.

I think you need to say what has been said by your source and Bellamy, if you don't why should people believe you. I do find it strange for Bellamy to confirm anything to a fan in an airport

What I say and when I say it will be my choice and not that of someone who thinks I should.

Previously I have been criticised for putting out stuff I have been told and I said a year or so ago I would continue to tell close friends and decide whether or not to put anything publicly.

But as I said to NJ I will rubbish what I believe to be untrue even if I don't want to divulge why.

Will someone first tell me the full story on malky and moody. If they were indeed on the take VT got it right!!Annis must know after his bellamy chat??????

Wez, I got told from a very good source last week the reason why Malky and Moody were sacked and it was not because they were on the take.

Annis asked Bellamy about what I told him and Bellamy confirmed it as correct.

Neither were 'on the take'.

Let's be honest Carl your sources are not always right

Depends which source tells me, on this one I am 100% convinced the info is correct and for a senior player to confirm it is more than enough for me.

I think you need to say what has been said by your source and Bellamy, if you don't why should people believe you. I do find it strange for Bellamy to confirm anything to a fan in an airport

What I say and when I say it will be my choice and not that of someone who thinks I should.

Previously I have been criticised for putting out stuff I have been told and I said a year or so ago I would continue to tell close friends and decide whether or not to put anything publicly.

But as I said to NJ I will rubbish what I believe to be untrue even if I don't want to divulge why.

Ah, that old little chestnut again. BTW I'm still waiting for this revelation about Sam Hammam that Annis promised would come out about 3 years ago

Will someone first tell me the full story on malky and moody. If they were indeed on the take VT got it right!!Annis must know after his bellamy chat??????

Wez, I got told from a very good source last week the reason why Malky and Moody were sacked and it was not because they were on the take.

Annis asked Bellamy about what I told him and Bellamy confirmed it as correct.

Neither were 'on the take'.

Carl if you gave a contract out to a company for 10 million 5 weeks after there was a tender for 2million in the offering your boss would sack you and certainly look into it to see if you were taking a bung.

Steve, looking into whether someone took a bung and actually proving they took a bung are two very different scenarios.

Are you accusing Malky and Moody of taking bungs or do you know/are aware of them taking bungs ?

See my answer to ian Carl I have always maintained Malky never took a bung I just think his three stage dossier has turned out to be totally unreliable and his inability to solve the striker problem over a number of transfer windows cost us dear.

Steve, I saw your answer after I posted my question.

It is difficult to argue against the striker issue and I raised concerns in Malky's first season regarding the dossier process but your post regarding bungs is dangerous ground as you do insinuate that he and moody were guilty of taking bungs and your pits is very misleading.

I do not insinuate that they took a bung at all Carl I am saying as I have always said that they paid 8 million euros more for Cornelius than was needed. You would rightly expect Vincent tan to expect an answer as to how that happened hence the reference to if you awarded a contract for 8 million more to a contractor your boss would investigate.
You say it's not financial the reasons they get sacked I believe it's everything to do with the summer window that they got sacked. The only value for money signing was caulker.

I am glad we both agree that we believe that there was no bungs or backhanders involved.

On your second point regarding the Cornelius transfer, it is a fair and reasoned argument and an owner has every right to question his managers decision on paying such an amount for a player who played very little game time and when he did Cornelius did not look value for money.

But then who is the man ultimately responsible for signing or sanctioning such moves, surely that must be the man at the top.

If the structure is wrong within the club, and it most certainly us, then that us the problem of the owner to rectify.

Even the worlds best managers have made signings which proved costly mistakes both financially and playing wise, Malky won't be the last.

Carl

You can't have the penny and the bun here.
Tan obviously put his trust and faith( which he now obviously regrets) in moody and Malky to bring in the players needed to keep us in the premiership.
If he had interfered and blocked the Cornelius transfer you would have been all over him like a rash saying he had undermined the manager and not backed him in the transfer market.
You can't blame tan for signing off the cheques. He put his faith in two men who let him and the fans down badly with the signings

No no no Carl. My point about the earlier thread was that it was being used not to illustrate Annis' change of mind on Bellamy but what was a poor attempt and trying to reinforce your opinions of Tan, Malky and Moody as being correct and reinforced by your meeting with Bellers. I can see what you were doing and so could many others in the thread.

What i was then stating in that thread was that it was preparing the ground for some later revelation which would more directly reinforce your opinions on Tan, Malky and Moody. Then look what happened tonight!

So please, I know exactly what I meant earlier, don't try to twist it. You've been found out, by myself and many others. Just accept it

I was told over a week ago and didn't need a chance meeting between Annis and Bellamy to back it up.

I am rubbishing the claims that Malky and Moody took bungs without annoying my source who told me the exact reason for their apologies.

You are thinking a little too hard and it must be hurting your brain

Yes Steve malky and moody let the club and the fans down badly not tan.Tans only mistake was trusting these pair.

No no no Carl. My point about the earlier thread was that it was being used not to illustrate Annis' change of mind on Bellamy but what was a poor attempt and trying to reinforce your opinions of Tan, Malky and Moody as being correct and reinforced by your meeting with Bellers. I can see what you were doing and so could many others in the thread.

What i was then stating in that thread was that it was preparing the ground for some later revelation which would more directly reinforce your opinions on Tan, Malky and Moody. Then look what happened tonight!

So please, I know exactly what I meant earlier, don't try to twist it. You've been found out, by myself and many others. Just accept it

I was told over a week ago and didn't need a chance meeting between Annis and Bellamy to back it up.

I am rubbishing the claims that Malky and Moody took bungs without annoying my source who told me the exact reason for their apologies.

You are thinking a little too hard and it must be hurting your brain

its all about timings though isn't it Carl.

Don't need to think too hard when it comes to seeing straight through the agenda of this forums two main moderators.

How long till the ban button takes a hammering again?

Will someone first tell me the full story on malky and moody. If they were indeed on the take VT got it right!!Annis must know after his bellamy chat??????

Wez, I got told from a very good source last week the reason why Malky and Moody were sacked and it was not because they were on the take.

Annis asked Bellamy about what I told him and Bellamy confirmed it as correct.

Neither were 'on the take'.

Let's be honest Carl your sources are not always right

Depends which source tells me, on this one I am 100% convinced the info is correct and for a senior player to confirm it is more than enough for me.

I think you need to say what has been said by your source and Bellamy, if you don't why should people believe you. I do find it strange for Bellamy to confirm anything to a fan in an airport

What I say and when I say it will be my choice and not that of someone who thinks I should.

Previously I have been criticised for putting out stuff I have been told and I said a year or so ago I would continue to tell close friends and decide whether or not to put anything publicly.

But as I said to NJ I will rubbish what I believe to be untrue even if I don't want to divulge why.

If you say so Carl, but the longer it goes on the more hits for the forum

Will someone first tell me the full story on malky and moody. If they were indeed on the take VT got it right!!Annis must know after his bellamy chat??????

Wez, I got told from a very good source last week the reason why Malky and Moody were sacked and it was not because they were on the take.

Annis asked Bellamy about what I told him and Bellamy confirmed it as correct.

Neither were 'on the take'.

Carl if you gave a contract out to a company for 10 million 5 weeks after there was a tender for 2million in the offering your boss would sack you and certainly look into it to see if you were taking a bung.

Steve, looking into whether someone took a bung and actually proving they took a bung are two very different scenarios.

Are you accusing Malky and Moody of taking bungs or do you know/are aware of them taking bungs ?

See my answer to ian Carl I have always maintained Malky never took a bung I just think his three stage dossier has turned out to be totally unreliable and his inability to solve the striker problem over a number of transfer windows cost us dear.

Steve, I saw your answer after I posted my question.

It is difficult to argue against the striker issue and I raised concerns in Malky's first season regarding the dossier process but your post regarding bungs is dangerous ground as you do insinuate that he and moody were guilty of taking bungs and your pits is very misleading.

I do not insinuate that they took a bung at all Carl I am saying as I have always said that they paid 8 million euros more for Cornelius than was needed. You would rightly expect Vincent tan to expect an answer as to how that happened hence the reference to if you awarded a contract for 8 million more to a contractor your boss would investigate.
You say it's not financial the reasons they get sacked I believe it's everything to do with the summer window that they got sacked. The only value for money signing was caulker.

I am glad we both agree that we believe that there was no bungs or backhanders involved.

On your second point regarding the Cornelius transfer, it is a fair and reasoned argument and an owner has every right to question his managers decision on paying such an amount for a player who played very little game time and when he did Cornelius did not look value for money.

But then who is the man ultimately responsible for signing or sanctioning such moves, surely that must be the man at the top.

If the structure is wrong within the club, and it most certainly us, then that us the problem of the owner to rectify.

Even the worlds best managers have made signings which proved costly mistakes both financially and playing wise, Malky won't be the last.

Carl

You can't have the penny and the bun here.
Tan obviously put his trust and faith( which he now obviously regrets) in moody and Malky to bring in the players needed to keep us in the premiership.
If he had interfered and blocked the Cornelius transfer you would have been all over him like a rash saying he had undermined the manager and not backed him in the transfer market.
You can't blame tan for signing off the cheques. He put his faith in two men who let him and the fans down badly with the signings

So let me get this right.

Malky could have signed Cornelius for £2m but paid £8m over the odds.

But City bid £10m for Wanyama but Malky wouldn't go £2m extra to get his man but then signed Medel for £11m when apparently he could have had him for £6m.

It beggars belief Steve really doesn't it?

I would go as far as to say there is/was an agenda to undermine the manager.

Carl, I think (even as a Jack) I speak for most here when I say either post what the reason you have been told was or STFU

NJ, as a jack why not stay off topics that should have no concern to you

I was told and was asked to keep it off here for the time being but it won't stop me from rubbishing the rumours of Malky or Moody taking backhanders.

Because that's not how messageboards work, no need to get all defensive

Of course you were

Carl, I think (even as a Jack) I speak for most here when I say either post what the reason you have been told was or STFU

NJ, as a jack why not stay off topics that should have no concern to you

I was told and was asked to keep it off here for the time being but it won't stop me from rubbishing the rumours of Malky or Moody taking backhanders.

Because that's not how messageboards work, no need to get all defensive

Of course you were

Expected better off you NJ, very weak comeback.

Carl, I think (even as a Jack) I speak for most here when I say either post what the reason you have been told was or STFU

NJ, as a jack why not stay off topics that should have no concern to you

I was told and was asked to keep it off here for the time being but it won't stop me from rubbishing the rumours of Malky or Moody taking backhanders.

Because that's not how messageboards work, no need to get all defensive

Of course you were

Expected better off you NJ, very weak comeback.

Like I said, either tell what you know or stfu and say nothing.

It's pathetic honestly.

In my opinion of course blah blah blah.

Carl, I think (even as a Jack) I speak for most here when I say either post what the reason you have been told was or STFU

NJ, as a jack why not stay off topics that should have no concern to you

I was told and was asked to keep it off here for the time being but it won't stop me from rubbishing the rumours of Malky or Moody taking backhanders.

Because that's not how messageboards work, no need to get all defensive

Of course you were

Expected better off you NJ, very weak comeback.

Like I said, either tell what you know or stfu and say nothing.

It's pathetic honestly.

In my opinion of course blah blah blah.

So I have to give my reason for rubbishing the unfounded rumours that our ex manager took backhanders.

It is a message board as you stated earlier.

Carl, I think (even as a Jack) I speak for most here when I say either post what the reason you have been told was or STFU

NJ, as a jack why not stay off topics that should have no concern to you

I was told and was asked to keep it off here for the time being but it won't stop me from rubbishing the rumours of Malky or Moody taking backhanders.

Because that's not how messageboards work, no need to get all defensive

Of course you were

Expected better off you NJ, very weak comeback.

Like I said, either tell what you know or stfu and say nothing.

It's pathetic honestly.

In my opinion of course blah blah blah.

So I have to give my reason for rubbishing the unfounded rumours that our ex manager took backhanders.

It is a message board as you stated earlier.

Yes. You claim to know the truth so either share it with your fellow fans or stfu.

This whole "I know something you don't know" stance is frankly pathetic and child like.

But hey, it keep the hits coming eh.

Carl, I think (even as a Jack) I speak for most here when I say either post what the reason you have been told was or STFU

NJ, as a jack why not stay off topics that should have no concern to you

I was told and was asked to keep it off here for the time being but it won't stop me from rubbishing the rumours of Malky or Moody taking backhanders.

Because that's not how messageboards work, no need to get all defensive

Of course you were

Expected better off you NJ, very weak comeback.

Like I said, either tell what you know or stfu and say nothing.

It's pathetic honestly.

In my opinion of course blah blah blah.

So I have to give my reason for rubbishing the unfounded rumours that our ex manager took backhanders.

It is a message board as you stated earlier.

Yes. You claim to know the truth so either share it with your fellow fans or stfu.

This whole "I know something you don't know" stance is frankly pathetic and child like.

But hey, it keep the hits coming eh.

It's not about hits, it is the fact it is bothering a jack that gives me satisfaction.

Carl, I think (even as a Jack) I speak for most here when I say either post what the reason you have been told was or STFU

NJ, as a jack why not stay off topics that should have no concern to you

I was told and was asked to keep it off here for the time being but it won't stop me from rubbishing the rumours of Malky or Moody taking backhanders.

Because that's not how messageboards work, no need to get all defensive

Of course you were

Expected better off you NJ, very weak comeback.

Like I said, either tell what you know or stfu and say nothing.

It's pathetic honestly.

In my opinion of course blah blah blah.

So I have to give my reason for rubbishing the unfounded rumours that our ex manager took backhanders.

It is a message board as you stated earlier.

Yes. You claim to know the truth so either share it with your fellow fans or stfu.

This whole "I know something you don't know" stance is frankly pathetic and child like.

But hey, it keep the hits coming eh.

It's not about hits, it is the fact it is bothering a jack that gives me satisfaction.

Yes, of course it is.

Will someone first tell me the full story on malky and moody. If they were indeed on the take VT got it right!!Annis must know after his bellamy chat??????

Wez, I got told from a very good source last week the reason why Malky and Moody were sacked and it was not because they were on the take.

Annis asked Bellamy about what I told him and Bellamy confirmed it as correct.

Neither were 'on the take'.

Carl if you gave a contract out to a company for 10 million 5 weeks after there was a tender for 2million in the offering your boss would sack you and certainly look into it to see if you were taking a bung.

Steve, looking into whether someone took a bung and actually proving they took a bung are two very different scenarios.

Are you accusing Malky and Moody of taking bungs or do you know/are aware of them taking bungs ?

See my answer to ian Carl I have always maintained Malky never took a bung I just think his three stage dossier has turned out to be totally unreliable and his inability to solve the striker problem over a number of transfer windows cost us dear.

Steve, I saw your answer after I posted my question.

It is difficult to argue against the striker issue and I raised concerns in Malky's first season regarding the dossier process but your post regarding bungs is dangerous ground as you do insinuate that he and moody were guilty of taking bungs and your pits is very misleading.

I do not insinuate that they took a bung at all Carl I am saying as I have always said that they paid 8 million euros more for Cornelius than was needed. You would rightly expect Vincent tan to expect an answer as to how that happened hence the reference to if you awarded a contract for 8 million more to a contractor your boss would investigate.
You say it's not financial the reasons they get sacked I believe it's everything to do with the summer window that they got sacked. The only value for money signing was caulker.

I am glad we both agree that we believe that there was no bungs or backhanders involved.

On your second point regarding the Cornelius transfer, it is a fair and reasoned argument and an owner has every right to question his managers decision on paying such an amount for a player who played very little game time and when he did Cornelius did not look value for money.

But then who is the man ultimately responsible for signing or sanctioning such moves, surely that must be the man at the top.

If the structure is wrong within the club, and it most certainly us, then that us the problem of the owner to rectify.

Even the worlds best managers have made signings which proved costly mistakes both financially and playing wise, Malky won't be the last.

Carl

You can't have the penny and the bun here.
Tan obviously put his trust and faith( which he now obviously regrets) in moody and Malky to bring in the players needed to keep us in the premiership.
If he had interfered and blocked the Cornelius transfer you would have been all over him like a rash saying he had undermined the manager and not backed him in the transfer market.
You can't blame tan for signing off the cheques. He put his faith in two men who let him and the fans down badly with the signings

So let me get this right.

Malky could have signed Cornelius for £2m but paid £8m over the odds.

But City bid £10m for Wanyama but Malky wouldn't go £2m extra to get his man but then signed Medel for £11m when apparently he could have had him for £6m.

It beggars belief Steve really doesn't it?

I would go as far as to say there is/was an agenda to undermine the manager.

Carl

If I was going to undermine a manager I certainly wouldn't let him spend 35 million to do it and in fact I would give him very little money.
With regards to wanyama we never at any time met celtics valuation of the player as made clear by neil Lennon .
As in said in reality our only value signing was caulker
I look forward to reading tans autobiography especially the chapter entitled "why I gave my manager 35 million to undermine him" in the summer transfer window
Your hatred for tan clouds your judgement and as I have said before we might have avoided all this if your friend Sam had turned his debt to equity

He didn't make a mistake so why should be admit he's wrong? Tan got it right one again!

The fact we are playing championship football again tells me different. The fact we were destined to play championship football before the last game o fthe season tells me different. The fact we started talking about championship football after a few games of Oles appointment tells me different.

It was Tans doing in sacking Mackay and the buck stops with him.

The fact malky and moody had to apologise tells everyone different.
The fact malky and moody wasted £50mill tells everyone different.
Malky and moody sowed the seed's of relegation, the buck stops with those two.

Once again what did Malky apologise for?
£50 million....I would say we are going ot get close enough our money back for Medel and Caulker. All of a sudden the £50 million is not so high now. I'll give you Acorn being a waste of money...what was it £5m...so what about the remaining £45m?
M&M sowed the seed......why were we in a relegation place when they got sacked?

They apologised for something, who would publicly apologise if they've done nothing wrong?
£50 mill on a championship side,malky was out of his depth.Tan had the pair of them by the bollocks and you,carl and annis know it.

What I know is what I have read and what I have read is nothing of what you are implying. Just show me something to read what you are implying.

Will someone first tell me the full story on malky and moody. If they were indeed on the take VT got it right!!Annis must know after his bellamy chat??????

Wez, I got told from a very good source last week the reason why Malky and Moody were sacked and it was not because they were on the take.

Annis asked Bellamy about what I told him and Bellamy confirmed it as correct.

Neither were 'on the take'.

Carl is 100% Correct

He didn't make a mistake so why should be admit he's wrong? Tan got it right one again!

The fact we are playing championship football again tells me different. The fact we were destined to play championship football before the last game o fthe season tells me different. The fact we started talking about championship football after a few games of Oles appointment tells me different.

It was Tans doing in sacking Mackay and the buck stops with him.

The fact malky and moody had to apologise tells everyone different.
The fact malky and moody wasted £50mill tells everyone different.
Malky and moody sowed the seed's of relegation, the buck stops with those two.

Once again what did Malky apologise for?
£50 million....I would say we are going ot get close enough our money back for Medel and Caulker. All of a sudden the £50 million is not so high now. I'll give you Acorn being a waste of money...what was it £5m...so what about the remaining £45m?
M&M sowed the seed......why were we in a relegation place when they got sacked?

They apologised for something, who would publicly apologise if they've done nothing wrong?
£50 mill on a championship side,malky was out of his depth.Tan had the pair of them by the bollocks and you,carl and annis know it.

What I know is what I have read and what I have read is nothing of what you are implying. Just show me something to read what you are implying.

What am i implying ?

Tan got it right sacking malky but it was the wrong time, should have been done earlier.

Time has proved Ole was the wrong choice at that time but that doesn't mean sacking malky was wrong.

Don't get me wrong I love malky but he wasted a lot of money on players would we of stayed up with him? ... No I think back to palace and Norwich away we made them look like barca under malky very poor.

yes i think he will deffo at some point say he made a few mistakes over Malky..

didnt give him nearly enough funds to stay in prem...........

and should never have allowed malky to drop the con/law suit against the club...he deserved a few mill at least.....
what ever evidence he had he should have shredded..............

yes i think he will deffo at some point say he made a few mistakes over Malky..

didnt give him nearly enough funds to stay in prem...........

and should never have allowed malky to drop the con/law suit against the club...he deserved a few mill at least.....
what ever evidence he had he should have shredded..............

you should pm bakedalasker and spell it out for him

yes i think he will deffo at some point say he made a few mistakes over Malky..

didnt give him nearly enough funds to stay in prem...........

and should never have allowed malky to drop the con/law suit against the club...he deserved a few mill at least.....
what ever evidence he had he should have shredded..............

you should pm bakedalasker and spell it out for him

I'm really beginning to feel sorry for him too.

Another look at me I know something you don't know thread.

Another look at me I know something you don't know thread.

What do you know ?

My info is that there is nothing provable in terms of any money changing hands. But even if there wasn't, given the Cornelius numbers (let alone the actual football bit)the signing constituted gross negligence. Mr Tan put his faith in Malky/Moody and was royally shafted(as were we the fans, most of whom still don't realise they were being used).
As far as I was concerned Malky should have gone immediately after Palace Away(which followed Stoke away).Some people on here are delusional/fanatical to the point of no return.
As for Bellamy, he fell out with Malky when he couldn't do what was asked of him and I understand there was some tension with Ole.
Rebrand aside for a moment, the biggest mistake that Mr Tan has made was not binning Malky a lot sooner.
Finally, the sooner the pus is drawn on this f*cking nonsense, the better for OUR club (not just Annis's or Carl's).
p.s.
a new term for you -'clickbait' = roath jerky/ negative posts etc = bad for Cardiff City but keeps the money rolling in. Bloobirds!

Another look at me I know something you don't know thread.

What do you know ?

What do you know

My info is that there is nothing provable in terms of any money changing hands. But even if there wasn't, given the Cornelius numbers (let alone the actual football bit)the signing constituted gross negligence. Mr Tan put his faith in Malky/Moody and was royally shafted(as were we the fans, most of whom still don't realise they were being used).
As far as I was concerned Malky should have gone immediately after Palace Away(which followed Stoke away).Some people on here are delusional/fanatical to the point of no return.
As for Bellamy, he fell out with Malky when he couldn't do what was asked of him and I understand there was some tension with Ole.
Rebrand aside for a moment, the biggest mistake that Mr Tan has made was not binning Malky a lot sooner.
Finally, the sooner the pus is drawn on this f*cking nonsense, the better for OUR club (not just Annis's or Carl's).
p.s.
a new term for you -'clickbait' = roath jerky/ negative posts etc = bad for Cardiff City but keeps the money rolling in. Bloobirds!

Great post!