SO, WHY DID MALKY APOLOGISE?????

The tan haters on here will never believe malky did no wrong etc
and its all tans fault bull
the rumours have been going around for ages malky ripped city , tan and the mugged the fans making us believe all the crap about him etc
he is one of the biggest reasons our season has gone tits up
there is noway malky would have walked apologised and took no money to take the norwich job unless there was something wrong
Tan could never win even in court even if the evidence was solid the press would have ripped him and cardiff apart
how about Tan did what was right and allowed malky to walk with at least his rep intact but nowt else for the one reason what was best for cardiff

Spot on the fools dont understand they have been taken for a ridé.

Less of "the fools" f uckwit.

. Says the biggest fool and milklover

Tan has clearly got evidence of dodgy dealings by Malky. If reports are true, Malky has withdrawn his legal case, paying his own costs, without a penny of compensation....all topped of with a grovelling, bend over, trousers down apology to Mr T.

Tan made a pigs ear of the issue when he sacked Moody - he implied Malky was involved but let it fester, making the club toxic on and off the pitch. Tan should have explicitly stated Malky's role in any dodgy stuff and taken action immediately. we could have moved on with a new manager from September/October rather than January.

Malky played a blinder - got the 'ex player Match of the day network' and media firmly on his side. Malky's articulate 'victim' role playing was top draw, contrasted painfully by Tans clumsy eccentricty. Cant believe the the easy ride Malky is getting on here after yesterdays bomshell.

PS
I believe Malky did great things for the club to gets us up and would have kept us up - guts telling me he saw the Malaysians as not football savvy and a cash cow to be Milkyd

The tan haters on here will never believe malky did no wrong etc
and its all tans fault bull
the rumours have been going around for ages malky ripped city , tan and the mugged the fans making us believe all the crap about him etc
he is one of the biggest reasons our season has gone tits up
there is noway malky would have walked apologised and took no money to take the norwich job unless there was something wrong
Tan could never win even in court even if the evidence was solid the press would have ripped him and cardiff apart
how about Tan did what was right and allowed malky to walk with at least his rep intact but nowt else for the one reason what was best for cardiff

Spot on the fools dont understand they have been taken for a ridé.

Less of "the fools" f uckwit.

. Says the biggest fool and milklover

WTF are you gnawing at fuckwit. I wanted Malky to go.
That doesnt mean I dont think Tan is a liar and and has no respect and if he goes tomorrow it not quick enough. Hope that clears things up for you.

Bungs!!!!!

Hope u got on Mackay to Norwich easy money

To be fair, if tan did come out with water tight evidence that Malky and Moody were screwing over the club most people on here wouldn't believe it because 1 it came from tan and 2 it puts a negative light on malky.

If Malky had done anything illegal Tan would have exposed him via the courts and the media, Tan had all to gain from doing so, and would have destroyed Malky's reputation with the fans, which would have suited Tan.

Malky probably got his contract paid off but no "additional compensation". Tan probably made it a condition that Malky apologise to get the money, so Malky made a generalised apology.

This is normal practice in business, agree a "compromise payment", but without accepting "liability". Accepting liability can allow the event to keep haunting you in the future. Not accepting liability and transferring funds under certain conditions commercially kills the subject without any lingering legal hangover.

No doubt it suited both parties. This implies Tan didn't have effective systems in place to control expenditure, and also that Moody didn't communicate well...

In my view Ian Moody is the dodgy one in this whole affair, he had a budget to manage and he should have been watertight. He should have proactively communicated to ensure there was no misunderstanding.

The CEO is a waste of space, there should have been sign off processes in place to ensure all parties understood all costs, most businesses have "delegation of authority" processes for this, it is unbelievable if CCFC don't.

The emphasis is on Moody not to lose the trust or confidence of his leadership. If he was professional he would have proposed such a system, it would have taken 1 hour to design and implement...and protected his arse from any fraud allegations.

All Purchasing Managers know this, you have systems in place as much to protect yourself from fraud allegation as to ensure the whole thing works.

What is not normal is the way Tan criticised Malky after the agreement. This implies Malky signed an agreement not to talk about it, but for some reason Tan didn't sign such an agreement, or if he did he ignored it.

Tan's unprofessional, emotional media outbursts reflect badly on him, it appears he does not have a PR Director, or if he does he doesn't listen to him!!

If Malky had done anything illegal Tan would have exposed him via the courts and the media, Tan had all to gain from doing so, and would have destroyed Malky's reputation with the fans, which would have suited Tan.

Malky probably got his contract paid off but no "additional compensation". Tan probably made it a condition that Malky apologise to get the money, so Malky made a generalised apology.

This is normal practice in business, agree a "compromise payment", but without accepting "liability". Accepting liability can allow the event to keep haunting you in the future. Not accepting liability and transferring funds under certain conditions commercially kills the subject without any lingering legal hangover.

No doubt it suited both parties. This implies Tan didn't have effective systems in place to control expenditure, and also that Moody didn't communicate well...

In my view Ian Moody is the dodgy one in this whole affair, he had a budget to manage and he should have been watertight. He should have proactively communicated to ensure there was no misunderstanding.

The CEO is a waste of space, there should have been sign off processes in place to ensure all parties understood all costs, most businesses have "delegation of authority" processes for this, it is unbelievable if CCFC don't.

The emphasis is on Moody not to lose the trust or confidence of his leadership. If he was professional he would have proposed such a system, it would have taken 1 hour to design and implement...and protected his arse from any fraud allegations.

All Purchasing Managers know this, you have systems in place as much to protect yourself from fraud allegation as to ensure the whole thing works.

What is not normal is the way Tan criticised Malky after the agreement. This implies Malky signed an agreement not to talk about it, but for some reason Tan didn't sign such an agreement, or if he did he ignored it.

Tan's unprofessional, emotional media outbursts reflect badly on him, it appears he does not have a PR Director, or if he does he doesn't listen to him!!

there was very little standard about the grovelling apology.....Tan said in the interview that he was legally bound...so what he did say was the tip of the ice berg......you blame the C.E.O..? but Tan the only person that really really knows blames Malky......just put the blinkers on and the Malky posters on the bedroom wall......
bottom line...he got caught with his trousers down
got sacked for it
then tries to rip the club off...............

Simon,

There are two topics:

1) was the club poorly run?
2) was Mackay fraudulent?

1)
I'm just looking at the systems in place - or absence of. The emphasis is on the CEO and the Manager responsible for the expenditure (Moody) to have systems in place. This error, added $15 million to the clubs debt, this is as good a reason as any for them to apologise to the fans.

On a separate note, the transfer dealings in themselves were terrible. Tan was well within his rights to sack Malky for poor perform in selection of players etc...but it is entirely different to sack him for fraudulent activity.

2)
You might be right about Malky, but it would really surprise me, as a young manager, taking a risk like this when he already had a huge wage, good reputation and bright future would really, really surprise me. Why would he do anything illegal?

There is more chance, Moody confused the CEO (maybe unintentionally) so the CEO didn't quite understand the deals, thus implying too the CEO wasn't up to the job. Even in this scenario, the emphasis was on Moody to ensure there was full disclose and sign off prior to him closing the deals.

Whatever the scenario, the club was poorly run.

Alternatively there is a scenario Tan knew everything upfront, and then "spun" this story, but I don't think this is too credible, he probably genuinely didn't understand the full costs. If he had a better CEO he would have understood everything better.

Simon,

There are two topics:

1) was the club poorly run?
2) was Mackay fraudulent?

1)
I'm just looking at the systems in place - or absence of. The emphasis is on the CEO and the Manager responsible for the expenditure (Moody) to have systems in place. This error, added $15 million to the clubs debt, this is as good a reason as any for them to apologise to the fans.

On a separate note, the transfer dealings in themselves were terrible. Tan was well within his rights to sack Malky for poor perform in selection of players etc...but it is entirely different to sack him for fraudulent activity.

2)
You might be right about Malky, but it would really surprise me, as a young manager, taking a risk like this when he already had a huge wage, good reputation and bright future would really, really surprise me. Why would he do anything illegal?

There is more chance, Moody confused the CEO (maybe unintentionally) so the CEO didn't quite understand the deals, thus implying too the CEO wasn't up to the job. Even in this scenario, the emphasis was on Moody to ensure there was full disclose and sign off prior to him closing the deals.

Whatever the scenario, the club was poorly run.

Alternatively there is a scenario Tan knew everything upfront, and then "spun" this story, but I don't think this is too credible, he probably genuinely didn't understand the full costs. If he had a better CEO he would have understood everything better.

i dont know what structure was in place.....just lots of people taking guesses..
what we do know is in particular the Acorn transfer

Simon,

There are two topics:

1) was the club poorly run?
2) was Mackay fraudulent?

1)
I'm just looking at the systems in place - or absence of. The emphasis is on the CEO and the Manager responsible for the expenditure (Moody) to have systems in place. This error, added $15 million to the clubs debt, this is as good a reason as any for them to apologise to the fans.

On a separate note, the transfer dealings in themselves were terrible. Tan was well within his rights to sack Malky for poor perform in selection of players etc...but it is entirely different to sack him for fraudulent activity.

2)
You might be right about Malky, but it would really surprise me, as a young manager, taking a risk like this when he already had a huge wage, good reputation and bright future would really, really surprise me. Why would he do anything illegal?

There is more chance, Moody confused the CEO (maybe unintentionally) so the CEO didn't quite understand the deals, thus implying too the CEO wasn't up to the job. Even in this scenario, the emphasis was on Moody to ensure there was full disclose and sign off prior to him closing the deals.

Whatever the scenario, the club was poorly run.

Alternatively there is a scenario Tan knew everything upfront, and then "spun" this story, but I don't think this is too credible, he probably genuinely didn't understand the full costs. If he had a better CEO he would have understood everything better.

i dont know what structure was in place.....just lots of people taking guesses..
what we do know is in particular the Acorn transfer at no point looked good business, Tan was unhappy with both MM and IM very ealy in the season...........and of course the latest episode where they drop mulyi million pound law suits and grovel..........

Fair comment Simon, I agree that was a really weird deal, and rightly raises questions.

But if the systems I suggest were in place:

I suppose the first stage would be sign off on the total budget and break down of the budget, then for this deal:

1) Moody would have written up the costs and a contract summary
a) pre deal one offs incl sign on & agent fees
b) salary & bonus on going
c ) sell on costs
2) Malky would have reviewed and say Y or N to the player
3) CEO would have validated against cost budget and sign off Y or N
4) The Board or Tan would have received this info and waved through or asked for more details

This sounds long winded but in reality could go very quickly.
All Tan would want to know is:
1) Is Malky happy with the player and his value?
2) Is the player within salary and transfer budget? Is the CEO ok financially with the deal?
3) what other costs are there? agents, sign on fee etc..so there would be no surprises.
4) what sell on clauses to Copenhagen if any?

This is fairly basic, and as you probably guessed by now I have experience of these systems, this is why I can't believe they were not in place.

You are all barking up the wrong tree, Malky apologised to VT on personal grounds and has a gagging order hence why he said he would love to tell the fans but you will have to ask Malky yourself! Malky's gone, lets move on...

It is very clear my Malky apologise.

Tan is a a sensitive cry baby who likes his way. A spoilt child like.

Tan was offended by Malky as we are finding out.

Tan offered Malky a load of money if he apologised like for offending him.

So Malky took the money and and basically apologised for offending anyone.

None of us know the complete truth but..... a guy who was suing for compensation ended up with no compo, paid his own legal fees, withdrew any claims, and apologised to VT! How can something that looks very bad for MM and Moody get twisted into MM can go with his head held high etc and VT is a cry baby? I can understand that people want to be loyal to MM. But...anyone who cant see that MM was (in some way) in the wrong is just deluded.
How some on here pursue the anti Tan and pro MM agenda is nothing short of blinkered and rather pathetic.

It is very clear my Malky apologise.

Tan is a a sensitive cry baby who likes his way. A spoilt child like.

Tan was offended by Malky as we are finding out.

Tan offered Malky a load of money if he apologised like for offending him.

So Malky took the money and and basically apologised for offending anyone.

ah right...top guy.......everything has a price sorta bloke.....friends,dignity,supporters....family?..you reckon he would sell his family for the right price?...........get a grip will you....
he thought he was smarter than he is,got caught,was forced to make an OTT statement....
thing that gets me about this is most of his supporters are quite prepared to paint him as undignified......not the sort of bloke youd want to have to rely on..........but still think him right, and a top bloke...........

It is very clear my Malky apologise.

Tan is a a sensitive cry baby who likes his way. A spoilt child like.

Tan was offended by Malky as we are finding out.

Tan offered Malky a load of money if he apologised like for offending him.

So Malky took the money and and basically apologised for offending anyone.

ah right...top guy.......everything has a price sorta bloke.....friends,dignity,supporters....family?..you reckon he would sell his family for the right price?...........get a grip will you....
he thought he was smarter than he is,got caught,was forced to make an OTT statement....
thing that gets me about this is most of his supporters are quite prepared to paint him as undignified......not the sort of bloke youd want to have to rely on..........but still think him right, and a top bloke...........

Have you ever read what he apolgised for?

Twist it all you want Malky was in the wrong he apologised with his tail between his legs

It is very clear my Malky apologise.

Tan is a a sensitive cry baby who likes his way. A spoilt child like.

Tan was offended by Malky as we are finding out.

Tan offered Malky a load of money if he apologised like for offending him.

So Malky took the money and and basically apologised for offending anyone.

If true which I doubt then malky has gone down a lot lower in my estimations. Money before pride, says a lot about him and his general time here. A PR machine with a golden tooth.

Twist it all you want Malky was in the wrong he apologised with his tail between his legs

Not twisting anything. Its very clear what he said. So tell me why do you think he apologise and were is your proof to back it up.

Twist it all you want Malky was in the wrong he apologised with his tail between his legs

Not twisting anything. Its very clear what he said. So tell me why do you think he apologise and were is your proof to back it up.

Milked us dry of 50 million Bakes, truth.

Twist it all you want Malky was in the wrong he apologised with his tail between his legs

Not twisting anything. Its very clear what he said. So tell me why do you think he apologise and were is your proof to back it up.

Milked us dry of 50 million Bakes, truth.

What's that got to do with the apology? That's just twisting it.

Twist it all you want Malky was in the wrong he apologised with his tail between his legs

Not twisting anything. Its very clear what he said. So tell me why do you think he apologise and were is your proof to back it up.

Milked us dry of 50 million Bakes, truth.

What's that got to do with the apology? That's just twisting it.

He apologised for f**king Tan over with his money.

Twist it all you want Malky was in the wrong he apologised with his tail between his legs

Not twisting anything. Its very clear what he said. So tell me why do you think he apologise and were is your proof to back it up.

Milked us dry of 50 million Bakes, truth.

What's that got to do with the apology? That's just twisting it.

He apologised for f**king Tan over with his money.

Yet more speculation.

I read Malky apologised for siding with Moody over an email, but that's probably speculation too. Anyway, if you read the wording of the statement again, Malky doesn't apologise for anything.

What sort of man makes a groveling apology to a guy he is reported to hate. He either has no self respect, is very dodgy or is just a money grabber. That statement is indefensible anyway you look at it.

What sort of man makes a groveling apology to a guy he is reported to hate. He either has no self respect, is very dodgy or is just a money grabber. That statement is indefensible anyway you look at it.

You're not very good at reading posts are you? I've pointed out that Malky doesn't make any apology at all. "IF I have caused any offence to anyone during this time, especially to Vincent Tan, then I apologise without reservation." IF being the key word. There is no direct apology from Malky in his statement at all.

So you think he did that off his own back to be nice

Milked us dry of 50 million Bakes, truth.

Not "truth" though, is it? Speculation & gossip.

What sort of man makes a groveling apology to a guy he is reported to hate. He either has no self respect, is very dodgy or is just a money grabber. That statement is indefensible anyway you look at it.

You're not very good at reading posts are you? I've pointed out that Malky doesn't make any apology at all. "IF I have caused any offence to anyone during this time, especially to Vincent Tan, then I apologise without reservation." IF being the key word. There is no direct apology from Malky in his statement at all.

Why would malky think he may have caused offence to anyone especially to Vincent Tan? He must have done something to apologise? he wouldn't have said anything at all otherwise

Milked us dry of 50 million Bakes, truth.

Not "truth" though, is it? Speculation & gossip.

You never speculate then or listen to gossip? I reckon 99% of the news on this forum is speculation and gossip
If Tan had said the same to malky some on this thread would have said Tan was wrong