Style over Subtance debate....

The club have made more from mackay than they have lost. Alot more.

despite the fact we are in more f*cking debt!?


dear me

Ye, ask tan about that.

From what mackay has had a hand in, they have made money.

im going to have to leave it there. You must surely be a parody account, no-one could be that f*cking stupid!

How so?. Mackay wasted 30 million, okay. What else did he waste?.

Compared to the fact the club will make over 100 million pound thanks to him getting us promoted.

So because I have a different opinion to yours I am stupid. Guess you must be right as you have those 2 retards backing your opinion. You put a smiley after every comment, a sure sign of being correct.

Retards hunt in packs I suppose.

its more down to how funny i find your posts!!

he wasted 30 million in transfers, im glad you agree. these players are earning an extortionate amount of money, and the agency fees and other associated costs mount up. i think the wages this season will easily be 40 million. Thats 40 million to pay players who are not good enough for the league we are in.... Players that Malky brought to this club.

You think they are wasted transfers, when they are just being mismanaged. They are not bad players.

Malky will never succeed as a manager

And a lot of that is down to Vincent Tan's money

You think they are wasted transfers, when they are just being mismanaged. They are not bad players.

a lot of them are bad players though.

Someone who cant get the best out of a striker like Odemwinge doesnt deserve to be a premiership manager anyway.

Last year 44m on transfers on wages
This year 40-50m on transfers, agent fees.etc
Wages, if last year was 30m then this year is easy going to be 40m and thats being conservative.

Thats 120-130m. 20-30m more than the money you claim Malky has "earned" us, although thats not soley his doing, he couldnt have done it without Tans money.

Next.

You think they are wasted transfers, when they are just being mismanaged. They are not bad players.

I agree again with you, milky did mismanage, leading us to have the 2nd worst defensive record in the league and could not score for shit. Ole has also mismanaged defensive wise, but atleast he's getting right at the other end

You think they are wasted transfers, when they are just being mismanaged. They are not bad players.

a lot of them are bad players though.

Someone who cant get the best out of a striker like Odemwinge doesnt deserve to be a premiership manager anyway.

Its why Clarke and Mackay are out of work

And a lot of that is down to Vincent Tan's money

Where have I said otherwise? It was a combination of Mackay & Tan. Very few clubs are able to "buy" the league immediately.

But to say Mackay will never be successful as a manger, is ludicrous, especially when he already has been. Which is the point I was making.

I'd go as far as saying his first season here was just as successful, as was the start to our premiership campaign.

Last year 44m on transfers on wages
This year 40-50m on transfers, agent fees.etc
Wages, if last year was 30m then this year is easy going to be 40m and thats being conservative.

Thats 120-130m. 20-30m more than the money you claim Malky has "earned" us, although thats not soley his doing, he couldnt have done it without Tans money.

Next.

Wow, it is that easy to figure out. Jesus christ.

It is the equivalent of letting a cow do your accounts.

None of us have any idea about the figures, we can only guess. What I know, is that we have gained substantially from getting to the premier league. Why bother just making shit up just to discredit him?. You dislike him okay, there we are, life goes on.

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Malky will never succeed as a manager

And a lot of that is down to Vincent Tan's money

LOANS.

Last year 44m on transfers on wages
This year 40-50m on transfers, agent fees.etc
Wages, if last year was 30m then this year is easy going to be 40m and thats being conservative.

Thats 120-130m. 20-30m more than the money you claim Malky has "earned" us, although thats not soley his doing, he couldnt have done it without Tans money.

Next.

Wow, it is that easy to figure out. Jesus christ.

It is the equivalent of letting a cow do your accounts.

None of us have any idea about the figures, we can only guess. What I know is, is that we have gained substantially from getting to the premier league. Why bother just making shit up just to discredit him?. You dislike him okay, there we are, life goes on.

Yet we are now 100 million more in debt

Last year 44m on transfers on wages
This year 40-50m on transfers, agent fees.etc
Wages, if last year was 30m then this year is easy going to be 40m and thats being conservative.

Thats 120-130m. 20-30m more than the money you claim Malky has "earned" us, although thats not soley his doing, he couldnt have done it without Tans money.

Next.

Wow, it is that easy to figure out. Jesus christ.

It is the equivalent of letting a cow do your accounts.

None of us have any idea about the figures, we can only guess. What I know, is that we have gained substantially from getting to the premier league. Why bother just making shit up just to discredit him?. You dislike him okay, there we are, life goes on.

how on earth is it possible that we have gained?

Our overall debt figure would be less if we never got promoted, the magical world of the premier league and all its riches is a myth when you spend money like we have.

Tan is the owner of the club.

Mackay is the manager of the team

If we are that fucked financially you should look at tan.

Tan saying he didn't know about Mackays spending is total bollocks.

If Tan ran the club well, we wouldn't be in this much debt, that is a fact. He would tell mackay not to spend much and he wouldn't take out retarded loans that put the club in danger.

Tan: Here is some money malky my dear boy.

Mackay: ummmmmmmmm okay Ill spend it.

Tan is the owner of the club.

Mackay is the manager of the team

If we are that fucked financially you should look at tan.

Tan saying he didn't know about Mackays spending is total bollocks.

incorrect again really.

So you saying its tans fault for trusting the manager to keep us up with the money he gave him?

If Malky had spend the money wisely we could well be looking at another season in the prem, and potentially only having to spend half what we spend this season

Tan is the owner of the club.

Mackay is the manager of the team

If we are that fucked financially you should look at tan.

Tan saying he didn't know about Mackays spending is total bollocks.

If Tan ran the club well, we wouldn't be in this much debt, that is a fact. He would tell mackay not to spend much and he wouldn't take out retarded loans that put the club in danger.

Tan: Here is some money malky my dear boy.

Mackay: ummmmmmmmm okay Ill spend it.

Doesn't change the fact malky bought 2 players worthy of the prem with 40 mil

Along with massive wages of course

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I think the concept applies to other sports - maybe more so MMA.

I've seen people boo a fight where both fighters are trying to advance their position to go for a submission. It's just a large majority of people love to see a brawl and a brutal KO, but in the end whether it be submission or a fancy KO - a win is a win.

To me if a team can play very well and counter and it works - good for them
If a team wants to go all out and just try to outscore there opponent - good for them

Do I prefer one over the other? Not really, both take the same amount of skill to acheive the end result.


As always just my .02

Jesus, I have said Mackay spent some of the money badly. Does that mean he is liable for spending it? Nope.

Tan is the owner of the club.

Mackay is the manager of the team

If we are that fucked financially you should look at tan.

Tan saying he didn't know about Mackays spending is total bollocks.

incorrect again really.

So you saying its tans fault for trusting the manager to keep us up with the money he gave him?

If Malky had spend the money wisely we could well be looking at another season in the prem, and potentially only having to spend half what we spend this season

I agree well done malky on getting us to the prem, but you indeed fukt up and were a major factor in Getting us relegated, do to your shite buys in the transfer market.

Tan is the owner of the club.

Mackay is the manager of the team

If we are that fucked financially you should look at tan.

Tan saying he didn't know about Mackays spending is total bollocks.

incorrect again really.

So you saying its tans fault for trusting the manager to keep us up with the money he gave him?

If Malky had spend the money wisely we could well be looking at another season in the prem, and potentially only having to spend half what we spend this season

It is Tans fault for putting the club in danger by taking out huge loans in its name.

Jesus, I have said Mackay spent some of the money badly. Does that mean he is liable for spending it? Nope.

he's not liable for spending the money ?

Tan is the owner of the club.

Mackay is the manager of the team

If we are that fucked financially you should look at tan.

Tan saying he didn't know about Mackays spending is total bollocks.

incorrect again really.

So you saying its tans fault for trusting the manager to keep us up with the money he gave him?

If Malky had spend the money wisely we could well be looking at another season in the prem, and potentially only having to spend half what we spend this season

It is Tans fault for putting the club in danger by taking out huge loans in its name.

So malky gets the plaudits for getting us up, but Tan gets no plaudits for loaning the money to help malky get us promoted

He was given money to spend, he spent it.

How in anyway does that make him culpable?. He was given money, so he spent it. He may be at fault for our relegation, but that doesn't mean he caused us to be in this debt.

He spent the money badly, okay. But he was given the funds in the first place.

Can't see how you are thanking Tan, he hasn't invested his own money.

Fact is, it was a boom or bust strategy. Take out fkin HUGEEE loans, hope to stay and earn a few quid, then start paying it back. Mackay and Solksjaer have failed. Tan has put the entire club in extreme danger instead of building slowly. The club is fucked for years because of it.

If you give any manager funds, they will spend it.

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How in anyway does that make him culpable?. He was given money, so he spent it. He may be at fault for our relegation, but that doesn't mean he caused us to be in this debt.

He spent the money badly, okay. But he was given the funds in the first place.
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Please, please read what you type.... it makes no f*cking sense.

How in anyway does that make him culpable?. He was given money, so he spent it. He may be at fault for our relegation, but that doesn't mean he caused us to be in this debt.

He spent the money badly, okay. But he was given the funds in the first place.
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Please, please read what you type.... it makes no f*cking sense.

Agree, what a total dipstick.

How in anyway does that make him culpable?. He was given money, so he spent it. He may be at fault for our relegation, but that doesn't mean he caused us to be in this debt.

He spent the money badly, okay. But he was given the funds in the first place.
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Please, please read what you type.... it makes no f*cking sense.

It's like saying it's the Lottery's fault when someone wins 100,000,000 and goes broke - u wat m8?

He was given money to spend, so he spent it. Okay that is established. Tan offered him money to spend, so he spent that money.

All the rest of our money problems are Tans problems.

Mackay is a manager, he spends what he is given by the owner. If the owners are decent and not lunatics, they don't offer the manager much money.

Tan has fucked the club over for decades trying to risk staying in the top flight by giving mackay a load of money. When we should have built slowly. Yes, you could say he has given him a load of money which is good of him, but he hasn't has he?. He has just loaned the club into oblivion.

Mackay failed, Solksjaer failed, Tan has destroyed the club.

Tan is the owner of the club.

Mackay is the manager of the team

If we are that fucked financially you should look at tan.

Tan saying he didn't know about Mackays spending is total bollocks.

incorrect again really.

So you saying its tans fault for trusting the manager to keep us up with the money he gave him?

If Malky had spend the money wisely we could well be looking at another season in the prem, and potentially only having to spend half what we spend this season

It is Tans fault for putting the club in danger by taking out huge loans in its name.

The interest free loans are not in Cardiff's name. They are guaranteed under Tans name.

He was given money to spend, so he spent it. Okay that is established. Tan offered him money to spend, so he spent that money.

All the rest of our money problems are Tans problems.

Mackay is a manager, he spends what he is given by the owner. If the owners are decent and not lunatics, they don't offer the manager much money.

Tan has fucked the club over for decades trying to risk staying in the top flight by giving mackay a load of money. When we should have built slowly. Yes, you could say he has given him a load of money which is good of him, but he hasn't has he?. He has just loaned the club into oblivion.

Mackay failed, Solksjaer failed, Tan has destroyed the club.

What money is actually tans fault? The money given to malky to buy players and fund their wages is Malkys fault, we get that. So what is Tans fault? Giving a million to charity maybe? Pumping money into training facilities and local facilities? Putting money into developing the stadium? Please expand on what money tan has WASTED?

OK I am going to be first to bite.

This clown has to go on ignore.

OK I am going to be first to bite.

This clown has to go on ignore.

Why?.