Re: Getting rid of Tan may not be that difficult
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:20 pm
goats wrote:You never know what's around the corner. We have some very wealthy fans, more importantly they may have even wealthier contacts.
again, there's the agenda!
Re: Getting rid of Tan may not be that difficult
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:41 pm
How's this for a laugh!
Sam gets his money off Tan then gets some of his bestest mates to launch a campaign against Tan. Force him out. Buy the club cheap with some kind of overseas backing. Back to blue. Ride to the rescue. Wahay!
Blood hell. I know it's so implausible as to be ridiculous.Who'd believe it!
Only joking!
(There is a very good test on which to judge things in business/politics when looking underneath the hype,which is = 'follow the money')
Sam gets his money off Tan then gets some of his bestest mates to launch a campaign against Tan. Force him out. Buy the club cheap with some kind of overseas backing. Back to blue. Ride to the rescue. Wahay!
Blood hell. I know it's so implausible as to be ridiculous.Who'd believe it!
Only joking!
(There is a very good test on which to judge things in business/politics when looking underneath the hype,which is = 'follow the money')
Re: Getting rid of Tan may not be that difficult
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:44 pm
goats wrote:You never know what's around the corner. We have some very wealthy fans, more importantly they may have even wealthier contacts.
None of whom came for us when there was a chance to make some money. Now there is little chance of that and we are again going to be in the championship why would they?
Re: Getting rid of Tan may not be that difficult
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:53 pm
C. Rombie-Coat wrote:How's this for a laugh!
Sam gets his money off Tan then gets some of his bestest mates to launch a campaign against Tan. Force him out. Buy the club cheap with some kind of overseas backing. Back to blue. Ride to the rescue. Wahay!
Blood hell. I know it's so implausible as to be ridiculous.Who'd believe it!
Only joking!
(There is a very good test on which to judge things in business/politics when looking underneath the hype,which is = 'follow the money')
That's what Deep Throat told Bob Woodward. Sound advice!
Re: Getting rid of Tan may not be that difficult
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:53 pm
Natman Blue wrote:Alfie, you made an interesting statement regarding the trust taking over. Wonder if some other people have some aspirations of having more power than they currently do within the corridors of Cardiff City FC
be serious ......clubs who have trusts that hold a descent shareholding are smaller clubs, that have been through rough times....our trust couldnt muster 1 million let alone a 100 million......unless we go into admin,i dont really see a trust being of any value.........its hard to see us in admin because its tan that owes tan the money.......
Re: Getting rid of Tan may not be that difficult
Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:56 pm
llangainbluebird wrote:C. Rombie-Coat wrote:How's this for a laugh!
Sam gets his money off Tan then gets some of his bestest mates to launch a campaign against Tan. Force him out. Buy the club cheap with some kind of overseas backing. Back to blue. Ride to the rescue. Wahay!
Blood hell. I know it's so implausible as to be ridiculous.Who'd believe it!
Only joking!
(There is a very good test on which to judge things in business/politics when looking underneath the hype,which is = 'follow the money')
That's what Deep Throat told Bob Woodward. Sound advice!
That's true but it really is the acid test if you can dig deep enough.
Re: Getting rid of Tan may not be that difficult
Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:17 pm
C. Rombie-Coat wrote:How's this for a laugh!
Sam gets his money off Tan then gets some of his bestest mates to launch a campaign against Tan. Force him out. Buy the club cheap with some kind of overseas backing. Back to blue. Ride to the rescue. Wahay!
Blood hell. I know it's so implausible as to be ridiculous.Who'd believe it!
Only joking!
(There is a very good test on which to judge things in business/politics when looking underneath the hype,which is = 'follow the money')
I believe it.
Nothing surprises me now in life or football.
Expect the unexpected,anything's possible,and i don't think you were joking.
Re: Getting rid of Tan may not be that difficult
Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:47 pm
Golden cheetah wrote:Noone will buy ccfc for a huge amount of money.
f**k me how much are you paying him, hes one of your better players but f**k me those wages need to be capped.
Re: Getting rid of Tan may not be that difficult
Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:51 pm
Natman Blue wrote:Alfie, you made an interesting statement regarding the trust taking over. Wonder if some other people have some aspirations of having more power than they currently do within the corridors of Cardiff City FC
Trust -
Re: Getting rid of Tan may not be that difficult
Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:02 am
Cardiff City are in huge debt - not up for debate - debts to a billionaire and one still making mass wealth on a daily basis
Vincent Tan is the man who has run up the vast majority of that debt - not up for debate Ridsdale & Hammam rolled well that way too.
Cardiff City owe him an awful lot of money - not up for debate .... hes also still the majority shareholder?
Vincent Tan has too much money tied up in the club to just walk away - not up for debate Where has he said he will walk away, that's just presumptions
He has little chance of ever recouping all of that money unless Cardiff are a stable, established PL club - not up for debate who says he wont continue with his long term business plan and feel that whilst its one step back he will go four steps forward in the future for his franchise football operation?
It's increasingly clear to most of us that Tan is a man who will be unable to ever achieve a stable, established PL club at Cardiff - does anyone seriously still believe he's capable of this???
Me.... I do. Maybe he will take stock and make some serious changes after spunking so much so far, but it's very possible. Depends if the man can get sensible football advisors.
Tan is never going to get all of his money back, he'll be fully aware of that - he took a punt it failed. For him, it will now be a damage limitation exercise. Says who? " he said - she said bollocks" only Tan himself knows his long term plan
My suggestion is that City fans should let him feel the heat, put him under pressure to cut his losses and leave. Only way you will do that now is by boycotting. That wont happen as you done either have the will power in the majority and a new fan base has been created too.
I'm a realist, this will not be painless.
In my opinion, it may well take a fire sale of players (£20-30m) and the loss of all of the parachute money (£59m). It will mean a period of struggle and possibly the trust would need to take an active role in running the club for a period of time (at least). I'm completely open about it, some of us feel that it's a risk worth taking, others won't. What I will say is that continuing to place faith in a man who has made some atrocious decisions whilst running the club and racked up astronomical debts looks every bit as risky. For me, driving Tan out will almost certainly cause short term - maybe longer term - pain but I think it's a price worth paying. Whichever way you look at it, Cardiff City will shortly be at a crossroads. I know which route I'd like them to take.
All based on myth Alfie boy !!!
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Vincent Tan is the man who has run up the vast majority of that debt - not up for debate Ridsdale & Hammam rolled well that way too.
Cardiff City owe him an awful lot of money - not up for debate .... hes also still the majority shareholder?
Vincent Tan has too much money tied up in the club to just walk away - not up for debate Where has he said he will walk away, that's just presumptions
He has little chance of ever recouping all of that money unless Cardiff are a stable, established PL club - not up for debate who says he wont continue with his long term business plan and feel that whilst its one step back he will go four steps forward in the future for his franchise football operation?
It's increasingly clear to most of us that Tan is a man who will be unable to ever achieve a stable, established PL club at Cardiff - does anyone seriously still believe he's capable of this???
Me.... I do. Maybe he will take stock and make some serious changes after spunking so much so far, but it's very possible. Depends if the man can get sensible football advisors.
Tan is never going to get all of his money back, he'll be fully aware of that - he took a punt it failed. For him, it will now be a damage limitation exercise. Says who? " he said - she said bollocks" only Tan himself knows his long term plan
My suggestion is that City fans should let him feel the heat, put him under pressure to cut his losses and leave. Only way you will do that now is by boycotting. That wont happen as you done either have the will power in the majority and a new fan base has been created too.
I'm a realist, this will not be painless.
In my opinion, it may well take a fire sale of players (£20-30m) and the loss of all of the parachute money (£59m). It will mean a period of struggle and possibly the trust would need to take an active role in running the club for a period of time (at least). I'm completely open about it, some of us feel that it's a risk worth taking, others won't. What I will say is that continuing to place faith in a man who has made some atrocious decisions whilst running the club and racked up astronomical debts looks every bit as risky. For me, driving Tan out will almost certainly cause short term - maybe longer term - pain but I think it's a price worth paying. Whichever way you look at it, Cardiff City will shortly be at a crossroads. I know which route I'd like them to take.
All based on myth Alfie boy !!!
alfie sherwood
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Joined: Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:27 pm
Re: Getting rid of Tan may not be that difficult
Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:14 am
Ok Daya, but Tan will never explain his plan that his problem. Its like you thinking you have cancer, having a test and waiting 4 years for the f*cking results...by which time you may know already. Cant blame people for assuming the worst.
Re: Getting rid of Tan may not be that difficult
Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:16 am
Taff on the Mersey wrote:Ok Daya, but Tan will never explain his plan that his problem. Its like you thinking you have cancer, having a test and waiting 4 years for the f*cking results...by which time you may know already. Cant blame people for assuming the worst.
Agree mate.
Just saying Alfies Speech is made up from pure guess work and Myth.
Re: Getting rid of Tan may not be that difficult
Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:22 am
In a way, stating the worst which I think he is, sets me free a bit. Makes me question my loyalty, if this does happen and we plummet and he squeezes us dry... I know I will be there as loyal as ever, disappointed but loyal. Im at peace with that. Weird aye. Anything other that what he states is a bonus.
Re: Getting rid of Tan may not be that difficult
Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:30 am
CantonJack wrote:I'm prepared for tougher times. It may not be that enjoyable to watch but it would certainly be cheaper and Tan would be gone.
Same here
Re: Getting rid of Tan may not be that difficult
Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:35 am
HandyLegs wrote:Premier Blue wrote:Alf Sher.
Are you sure your a fan of Cardiff City.Playing Russian roulette with our football club isn't an option.The most likely outcome is what bakedalasker suggested,he'll probably sell up even at a bit of a loss just to make a sale especially when it now looks likely we'll be in the championship next season.
It would be great if Tan sold out and left us, but who the hell is going to stump-up the millions needed for him to go when we're playing in the second tier?
He's probably hoping sam hammam strolls back in sharing ice creams
Re: Getting rid of Tan may not be that difficult
Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:50 am
Daya wrote:Taff on the Mersey wrote:Ok Daya, but Tan will never explain his plan that his problem. Its like you thinking you have cancer, having a test and waiting 4 years for the f*cking results...by which time you may know already. Cant blame people for assuming the worst.
Agree mate.
Just saying Alfies Speech is made up from pure guess work and Myth.
Yes Steve but are we not all guessing as none of us have any real access to the mind of Tan?
We can apply logic to what we know but we would be left with dependencies. That is no real answer.
Re: Getting rid of Tan may not be that difficult
Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:00 am
Daya wrote:Taff on the Mersey wrote:Ok Daya, but Tan will never explain his plan that his problem. Its like you thinking you have cancer, having a test and waiting 4 years for the f*cking results...by which time you may know already. Cant blame people for assuming the worst.
Agree mate.
Just saying Alfies Speech is made up from pure guess work and Myth.
What Tan will do next mate, is, indeed, guess work. You reckon Vinny may have another stab at getting his vanity project back in the PL if City are relegated, you might be right. Point, I was making is that maybe Cardiff fans should 'lean on him' and drive him out and yes, there could be some pain but longer term Cardiff City will be much better off without him.
Disagree with you on a lot of your points on previous post. They are facts not myths old chap
Re: Getting rid of Tan may not be that difficult
Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:49 am
Taff on the Mersey wrote:In a way, stating the worst which I think he is, sets me free a bit. Makes me question my loyalty, if this does happen and we plummet and he squeezes us dry... I know I will be there as loyal as ever, disappointed but loyal. Im at peace with that. Weird aye. Anything other that what he states is a bonus.
Completely agree with you mate, this is how I feel.