' Vincent Tans Claims are wrong '

If the figures in the op are correct we should see about 20,000 on the march Saturday

Lets be honest if the protest doesn't get over 5,000 20% then it'll be a failure.The march will give you a more realistic number.

5000 rubbish. Half that would suffice and would reflect the dissatisfaction with the rebrand. Remember that the majority of the stadium is blue and the majority of fans sing pro blue chants, that's enough of an endorsement for me. Stick your red as it won't be around much longer and remember that the times they are a changing.

10% then ,tans correct and the op and the survey is a load of nonsense

And i dont go about calling people dictators mildly either

No, but in terms of its use here, it is totally the correct way to describe the owner.

Absolutely. Tan may pretend to to listen to the fans but he will only pay lip service to us. He will go through the motions of setting up some puppet who will meet with a fans group down the stadium but it will be more of an exercise in giving us a platform to vent our anger more than anything else and will be set up to only appease the fans. Anyone thinking that he is doing anything other than throwing us crumbs from his red table are deluded.

have you thought that the protests, and more so the anti Tan abuse is just pushing him more and more into a corner he cannot get out of? i dont pretend to know the answer to this myself, but can see that the rebrand has failed, he must too..

If Tan is stubborn and cannot see that the rebrand has failed then we cannot afford to wait a couple of years till the penny drops as in this time he will have taken all of our identity away until we have nothing left to support. For the first time we are united for a return to blue and while we were splintered in the past it was easy for Tan to dismiss our anger but we now have a chance to send him a clear message but getting him to accept it may be another matter.

the very first protest wasnt please give us our colour back........it was strait for the throat tan go home....

We were splintered then and some groups were totally frustrated. What is important now is we send Tan a clear message whether he likes it or not.

If the figures in the op are correct we should see about 20,000 on the march Saturday

Lets be honest if the protest doesn't get over 5,000 20% then it'll be a failure.The march will give you a more realistic number.

5000 rubbish. Half that would suffice and would reflect the dissatisfaction with the rebrand. Remember that the majority of the stadium is blue and the majority of fans sing pro blue chants, that's enough of an endorsement for me. Stick your red as it won't be around much longer and remember that the times they are a changing.

surely if only 3000 are outside protesting,and then there are 10000 in blue in the bowl,that means something?
its not like you have to turn up mega early,or go far out of your way to join ,is it?
the figure that protest will most likely be taken from how many will be outside the main stand..
i watched thousands just walk past it last time..

And i dont go about calling people dictators mildly either

No, but in terms of its use here, it is totally the correct way to describe the owner.

Absolutely. Tan may pretend to to listen to the fans but he will only pay lip service to us. He will go through the motions of setting up some puppet who will meet with a fans group down the stadium but it will be more of an exercise in giving us a platform to vent our anger more than anything else and will be set up to only appease the fans. Anyone thinking that he is doing anything other than throwing us crumbs from his red table are deluded.

have you thought that the protests, and more so the anti Tan abuse is just pushing him more and more into a corner he cannot get out of? i dont pretend to know the answer to this myself, but can see that the rebrand has failed, he must too..

If Tan is stubborn and cannot see that the rebrand has failed then we cannot afford to wait a couple of years till the penny drops as in this time he will have taken all of our identity away until we have nothing left to support. For the first time we are united for a return to blue and while we were splintered in the past it was easy for Tan to dismiss our anger but we now have a chance to send him a clear message but getting him to accept it may be another matter.

the very first protest wasnt please give us our colour back........it was strait for the throat tan go home....

We were splintered then and some groups were totally frustrated. What is important now is we send Tan a clear message whether he likes it or not.

2,500 10% isn't a clear message,it says we're not bothered.

If the figures in the op are correct we should see about 20,000 on the march Saturday

Lets be honest if the protest doesn't get over 5,000 20% then it'll be a failure.The march will give you a more realistic number.

5000 rubbish. Half that would suffice and would reflect the dissatisfaction with the rebrand. Remember that the majority of the stadium is blue and the majority of fans sing pro blue chants, that's enough of an endorsement for me. Stick your red as it won't be around much longer and remember that the times they are a changing.

10% then ,tans correct and the op and the survey is a load of nonsense

its a valid point.........if your going to the game and feel strongly,the protest terminates outside the main stand,so there really is no excuse to not be part of it......is there?
if whats being read into this Trust survey holds water and there are 85% AGAINST TAN.....the protest should be enormous..shouldnt it?

You seem to struggle with the meaning for the word dictator. It suits VT totally.

Don't make the regular error that being called a dictator automatically compares him to Hitler or Kim Jong Un.

Take a look at the literal definition & it is an accurate description of him.

I think you rather should look at the association with dictatorship and maybe read books like " the two democratic models" by george sabine. This will lead you further to the true meaning. What you are talking about is capitalism, which "captive state" by monbiot will give you an exelent insight reading. Much closer to what Tan is doing

I think you should stop spouting bollox and get behind the march.

Just trying to help you not looking like a fool and a racist.

You seem to struggle with the meaning for the word dictator. It suits VT totally.

Don't make the regular error that being called a dictator automatically compares him to Hitler or Kim Jong Un.

Take a look at the literal definition & it is an accurate description of him.

I think you rather should look at the association with dictatorship and maybe read books like " the two democratic models" by george sabine. This will lead you further to the true meaning. What you are talking about is capitalism, which "captive state" by monbiot will give you an exelent insight reading. Much closer to what Tan is doing

I think you should stop spouting bollox and get behind the march.

Just trying to help you not looking like a fool and a racist.

You have only managed 1 out or the 2 then. Stop playing the drama queen and get behind the march.

And i dont go about calling people dictators mildly either

No, but in terms of its use here, it is totally the correct way to describe the owner.

Absolutely. Tan may pretend to to listen to the fans but he will only pay lip service to us. He will go through the motions of setting up some puppet who will meet with a fans group down the stadium but it will be more of an exercise in giving us a platform to vent our anger more than anything else and will be set up to only appease the fans. Anyone thinking that he is doing anything other than throwing us crumbs from his red table are deluded.

have you thought that the protests, and more so the anti Tan abuse is just pushing him more and more into a corner he cannot get out of? i dont pretend to know the answer to this myself, but can see that the rebrand has failed, he must too..

If Tan is stubborn and cannot see that the rebrand has failed then we cannot afford to wait a couple of years till the penny drops as in this time he will have taken all of our identity away until we have nothing left to support. For the first time we are united for a return to blue and while we were splintered in the past it was easy for Tan to dismiss our anger but we now have a chance to send him a clear message but getting him to accept it may be another matter.

the very first protest wasnt please give us our colour back........it was strait for the throat tan go home....

We were splintered then and some groups were totally frustrated. What is important now is we send Tan a clear message whether he likes it or not.

2,500 10% isn't a clear message,it says we're not bothered.

I suppose you reds also ignore the fact that thousands chant pro blue songs inside the stadium every game. Are you Tan in disguise?

drama queen seems to be todays ..in phrase.......

drama queen seems to be todays ..in phrase.......

But very apt.

the question deliberately did not define how far they would like to see the trust oppose the rebrand .
the question everyone is afraid of is would you be prepared for tan to walk away to get blue back.

spot on, this survey is seriously flawed

It's not as flawed as Tans claims, do you agree?

the question deliberately did not define how far they would like to see the trust oppose the rebrand .
the question everyone is afraid of is would you be prepared for tan to walk away to get blue back.

Yes please.Please piss off Tan.

the question deliberately did not define how far they would like to see the trust oppose the rebrand .
the question everyone is afraid of is would you be prepared for tan to walk away to get blue back.

spot on, this survey is seriously flawed

It's not as flawed as Tans claims, do you agree?

i thought the questions were well thought out to avoid some definitive answers.
likewise Tans claims are open to interpretation .
i think the tan out movement has gone on long enough, there is a split amongst fans,and both sides think the other is the minority.. the trust question should have gone further , do you wish the trust to continue to lobby for blue to the extent of removing tan......
it looks like Hull fans are to get a vote
maybe we should

the question deliberately did not define how far they would like to see the trust oppose the rebrand .
the question everyone is afraid of is would you be prepared for tan to walk away to get blue back.

spot on, this survey is seriously flawed

It's not as flawed as Tans claims, do you agree?

i thought the questions were well thought out to avoid some definitive answers.
likewise Tans claims are open to interpretation .
i think the tan out movement has gone on long enough, there is a split amongst fans,and both sides think the other is the minority.. the trust question should have gone further , do you wish the trust to continue to lobby for blue to the extent of removing tan......
it looks like Hull fans are to get a vote
maybe we should

85 percent is not open to that much interpretation, What poll did Vincent Tan do?

the question deliberately did not define how far they would like to see the trust oppose the rebrand .
the question everyone is afraid of is would you be prepared for tan to walk away to get blue back.

spot on, this survey is seriously flawed

It's not as flawed as Tans claims, do you agree?

i thought the questions were well thought out to avoid some definitive answers.
likewise Tans claims are open to interpretation .
i think the tan out movement has gone on long enough, there is a split amongst fans,and both sides think the other is the minority.. the trust question should have gone further , do you wish the trust to continue to lobby for blue to the extent of removing tan......
it looks like Hull fans are to get a vote
maybe we should

85 percent is not open to that much interpretation, What poll did Vincent Tan do?

my opinion...........he refers to those protesting as being un supportive of him
the 85%.........this protest terminates rite outside our ground half an hour before a big game, no one has to walk far,or be there extremely early do they?.......its almost as hard to avoid the protest as be part of it..so ill ask, how many will care enough Saturday, will it be closer to 10% or 85%.. will the trusts figure be closer or the non poll tan figure be closer

the question deliberately did not define how far they would like to see the trust oppose the rebrand .
the question everyone is afraid of is would you be prepared for tan to walk away to get blue back.

spot on, this survey is seriously flawed

It's not as flawed as Tans claims, do you agree?

i thought the questions were well thought out to avoid some definitive answers.
likewise Tans claims are open to interpretation .
i think the tan out movement has gone on long enough, there is a split amongst fans,and both sides think the other is the minority.. the trust question should have gone further , do you wish the trust to continue to lobby for blue to the extent of removing tan......
it looks like Hull fans are to get a vote
maybe we should

85 percent is not open to that much interpretation, What poll did Vincent Tan do?

my opinion...........he refers to those protesting as being un supportive of him
the 85%.........this protest terminates rite outside our ground half an hour before a big game, no one has to walk far,or be there extremely early do they?.......its almost as hard to avoid the protest as be part of it..so ill ask, how many will care enough Saturday, will it be closer to 10% or 85%.. will the trusts figure be closer or the non poll tan figure be closer

You are questioning the rigour of the poll, but what is the science behind VT's CLAIMS?

the question deliberately did not define how far they would like to see the trust oppose the rebrand .
the question everyone is afraid of is would you be prepared for tan to walk away to get blue back.

spot on, this survey is seriously flawed

It's not as flawed as Tans claims, do you agree?

i thought the questions were well thought out to avoid some definitive answers.
likewise Tans claims are open to interpretation .
i think the tan out movement has gone on long enough, there is a split amongst fans,and both sides think the other is the minority.. the trust question should have gone further , do you wish the trust to continue to lobby for blue to the extent of removing tan......
it looks like Hull fans are to get a vote
maybe we should

85 percent is not open to that much interpretation, What poll did Vincent Tan do?

my opinion...........he refers to those protesting as being un supportive of him
the 85%.........this protest terminates rite outside our ground half an hour before a big game, no one has to walk far,or be there extremely early do they?.......its almost as hard to avoid the protest as be part of it..so ill ask, how many will care enough Saturday, will it be closer to 10% or 85%.. will the trusts figure be closer or the non poll tan figure be closer

You are questioning the rigour of the poll, but what is the science behind VT's CLAIMS?

im questioning both, as i said what Tan claims is open to interpretation, and likewise the trusts poll results...truth is if there are 5000 there Saturday it will be a fantastic effort, but still closer to Tans 10% than the trusts 85%.

In fact, the margin of error depending on poll size is a subject which has been looked into in great depth and it’s generally accepted that a poll with 1,000 respondents has a margin of error of plus or minus 3%. Therefore, if a poll of 1,000 people shows party A to have a lead of 7% over party B, then that lead is big enough to conclude that there is a 95% chance that Party A will win the election.

Wow this is journalism of the worst kind!

This is a voodoo poll!

It does not measure opinion of Cardiff City Fans!

It is an accurate reflection of Cardiff City Supporters Trust (there are only 709 active members according to their minutes) members and friends who feel strongly enough to complete a questionaire!

It is like saying that Cardiff City are the best team in the world because we asked 1000 football fans on Sloper Road on a Saturday afternoon.

THE SAMPLE MUST BE REPRESENTAIVE OF ALL FOOTBALL FANS!

People willing to complete the questionnaire and are members of CCST are not representative of Cardiff City Fans.

To conclude that because it has 1000 responses that it has a margin of error of 3% is delusional and journalism of the poorest standard.

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In fact, the margin of error depending on poll size is a subject which has been looked into in great depth and it’s generally accepted that a poll with 1,000 respondents has a margin of error of plus or minus 3%. Therefore, if a poll of 1,000 people shows party A to have a lead of 7% over party B, then that lead is big enough to conclude that there is a 95% chance that Party A will win the election.

Wow this is journalism of the worst kind!

This is a voodoo poll!

It does not measure opinion of Cardiff City Fans!

It is an accurate reflection of Cardiff City Supporters Trust (there are only 709 active members according to their minutes) members and friends who feel strongly enough to complete a questionaire!

It is like saying that Cardiff City are the best team in the world because we asked 1000 football fans on Sloper Road on a Saturday afternoon.

THE SAMPLE MUST BE REPRESENTAIVE OF ALL FOOTBALL FANS!

People willing to complete the questionnaire and are members of CCST are not representative of Cardiff City Fans.

To conclude that because it has 1000 responses that it has a margin of error of 3% is delusional and journalism of the poorest standard.

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the poll was open on this board as well..............agree totally very poor journo..but what about this Hartley bloke? shouldnt he be making 100% certain that his poll was bona fide ? it really is not