Best if we go down IMO

Hate to say it and im going to get a lot of abuse but im going to look at the bigger picture here.
To me it has always been Blue before the Prem and if we are to get our identity back then I feel we will have to go down and maybe even stay down to achieve this. The worst thing to happen is we stay up and Tan and his cronies will bring even further re branding.
I think more of our club to put success before the greater good of our club. Its the way i feel that i just cant enjoy this campaign whilst not having our correct colours and badge.
Right rip fook into me

Can't see a big queue of buyers lining up for us as a Championship team!

It's a difficult position. If we go down, some are right who the f**k is going to buy us in the championship ? On the other hand who really wants another season like this, I know I don't, Tans antics are only going to get worst, he has no respect and whilst the club is in the Premier League with full houses week in week out I think he'll continue to do as he likes.

Our first season in the Premier League in over 50 years and we're put in this position, ridiculous.

Hate to say it and im going to get a lot of abuse but im going to look at the bigger picture here.
To me it has always been Blue before the Prem and if we are to get our identity back then I feel we will have to go down and maybe even stay down to achieve this. The worst thing to happen is we stay up and Tan and his cronies will bring even further re branding.
I think more of our club to put success before the greater good of our club. Its the way i feel that i just cant enjoy this campaign whilst not having our correct colours and badge.
Right rip fook into me

Can't see a big queue of buyers lining up for us as a Championship team!

fed up of idiots saying we have to be brave,take the gamble and drive him out....GOING DOWN IS A GOOD THING??????
been there done that..relegations are shit...and investors are not 10 a penny..
those saying it...well most of those saying it...havent watched their club tumble down the leagues.
show us the alternative or go back to being brave on your PS3

Won't get his money back if we go down, so wouldn't it be better if we stay up? Be in a lot better position to find a buyer if we are in the premier league than we will in the championship

Best we stay up, get rid of the dead wood and recruit wisely.

Well to be honest I haven't recieved as much abuse as I thought I would. But got a lot thinking though Hmmmmm

No point trying to end up like a new Portsmouth. Stay up, enjoy the ride if it goes well, give the mustache guy a toast, and start rioting if results are too poor.

No point trying to end up like a new Portsmouth. Stay up, enjoy the ride if it goes well, give the mustache guy a toast, and start rioting if results are too poor.

Rioting I tell you he is shit scared coz of the dirty looks we are giving him at the moment

Not putting you down just pointing out that I did not make it up and that it is a 100% fact unlike the ones that you always seem to put out.

no matter how much you wish it not true..the truth is it wasnt just the 11th hour, it was the final second of the 11th hour....
Tans offer to come in with the backing to save the club was actually argued against ...
this myth.......mystery investors, nobody ever puts their name to this,or in fact to these investors..
our club,throughout its recent history as suffered more than any due to lack of investment.......a Capital City club that had graced the fields of Europe..had played in a stadium with a 50,000 plus capacity to huge crowds was allowed to drift almost into oblivion...........in my 43 years watching its been heartbreaking, ive stood back and watched a total of 64 teams play top flight football and never us until now............the reason......for whatever reason we wee unfashionable.no one invested........so to believe that on the very last minute of the very last day after all these years there was a serious alternative to Tan is ludicrous.......[/quotes
All romantic nonsense and not a shred of evidence to back it up.

But we could have still been saved until the very last day of the stay of execution.

now I am dealing in facts and you are being hypothetical.

There was nobody else, it was only TG and Tan, as confirmed by Steve Borley.

There were others Craig. Just the likes of Steve Borley did not like the look of it.

Why didn't they step forward then, if you are that sure there were others it wont hurt to name then

has far as i have seen not one person even those (ITK) have named any one who wanted to invest at the time of tan &tg, thats why people can say there was others because no one can disprove what they say, so they have an arguement they cannot lose on that basis!!
if they say who it was other people can disprove what they say. simples!!

But we could have still been saved until the very last day of the stay of execution.

now I am dealing in facts and you are being hypothetical.

There was nobody else, it was only TG and Tan, as confirmed by Steve Borley.

There were others Craig. Just the likes of Steve Borley did not like the look of it.

Why didn't they step forward then, if you are that sure there were others it wont hurt to name then

has far as i have seen not one person even those (ITK) have named any one who wanted to invest at the time of tan &tg, thats why people can say there was others because no one can disprove what they say, so they have an arguement they cannot lose on that basis!!
if they say who it was other people can disprove what they say. simples!!

Or alternatively based on your logic those who are saying there were no investors cannot prove there was absolutely nobody prepared to invest. The club chose Tan and his investment and we cannot change that but by uniting for a return to blue we may be able to change the future.

But we could have still been saved until the very last day of the stay of execution.

now I am dealing in facts and you are being hypothetical.

There was nobody else, it was only TG and Tan, as confirmed by Steve Borley.

There were others Craig. Just the likes of Steve Borley did not like the look of it.

Why didn't they step forward then, if you are that sure there were others it wont hurt to name then

has far as i have seen not one person even those (ITK) have named any one who wanted to invest at the time of tan &tg, thats why people can say there was others because no one can disprove what they say, so they have an arguement they cannot lose on that basis!!
if they say who it was other people can disprove what they say. simples!!

Or alternatively based on your logic those who are saying there were no investors cannot prove there was absolutely nobody prepared to invest. The club chose Tan and his investment and we cannot change that but by uniting for a return to blue we may be able to change the future.

A club director stated there was no other offers. What more proof can you ask for?

I actually discussed this issue at length with TG and can tell you that what you say in not 100% correct so again using your logic how much proof do you need? It's all irrelevant anyway because we accepted Tans investment. We cannot change this but we should now be focused on getting behind the return of our colours and perhaps we may change our future.

I actually discussed this issue at length with TG and can tell you that what you say in not 100% correct so again using your logic how much proof do you need? It's all irrelevant anyway because we accepted Tans investment. We cannot change this but we should now be focused on getting behind the return of our colours and perhaps we may change our future.

you just lost what little credibility you had left

I actually discussed this issue at length with TG and can tell you that what you say in not 100% correct so again using your logic how much proof do you need? It's all irrelevant anyway because we accepted Tans investment. We cannot change this but we should now be focused on getting behind the return of our colours and perhaps we may change our future.

you just lost what little credibility you had left

I got to agree with Craig on this I think you just hit the bottom of the barrel saying that

A club director stated there was no other offers. What more proof can you ask for?

A club director also said it was never red or dead.

You didn't need any investors after tan stuck in the £6m. You had enough assets to service the debt into a manageable sum - yet you all decided it was no fun doing that, so took the cash. Not sure how those who did nothing can now complain TWO years down the line just because the team isnt very good.

A club director stated there was no other offers. What more proof can you ask for?

A club director also said it was never red or dead.

You didn't need any investors after tan stuck in the £6m. You had enough assets to service the debt into a manageable sum - yet you all decided it was no fun doing that, so took the cash. Not sure how those who did nothing can now complain TWO years down the line just because the team isnt very good.

Red or dead is a whole year after what we are discussing.

I actually discussed this issue at length with TG and can tell you that what you say in not 100% correct so again using your logic how much proof do you need? It's all irrelevant anyway because we accepted Tans investment. We cannot change this but we should now be focused on getting behind the return of our colours and perhaps we may change our future.

you just lost what little credibility you had left

I do not crave credibility but just because you pour scorn on my claims does not mean a thing to me. In fact the very same night I was also introduced to Vincent Tan but I suppose you will pour scorn on that as well.

Red or dead is a whole year after what we are discussing.

Thats my point. "Red or dead" only came about due to everyone being happy with overspending to achieve promotion and allowing Tan to write £1m a month loan notes.

Nobody can say they didnt realise the scale of the situation as I was quite vocal about how idiotic your fan base was being.

I actually discussed this issue at length with TG and can tell you that what you say in not 100% correct so again using your logic how much proof do you need? It's all irrelevant anyway because we accepted Tans investment. We cannot change this but we should now be focused on getting behind the return of our colours and perhaps we may change our future.

you just lost what little credibility you had left

I got to agree with Craig on this I think you just hit the bottom of the barrel saying that

Say what you want but it is true. Actually I found that TG was a very open person who would always answer a straight question when asked.

I actually discussed this issue at length with TG and can tell you that what you say in not 100% correct so again using your logic how much proof do you need? It's all irrelevant anyway because we accepted Tans investment. We cannot change this but we should now be focused on getting behind the return of our colours and perhaps we may change our future.

you just lost what little credibility you had left

I got to agree with Craig on this I think you just hit the bottom of the barrel saying that

Say what you want but it is true. Actually I found that TG was a very open person who would always answer a straight question when asked.

A club director stated there was no other offers. What more proof can you ask for?

A club director also said it was never red or dead.

You didn't need any investors after tan stuck in the £6m. You had enough assets to service the debt into a manageable sum - yet you all decided it was no fun doing that, so took the cash. Not sure how those who did nothing can now complain TWO years down the line just because the team isnt very good.

You keep harping on about just because your team isn't very good, at this present moment in time the jacks are only 4pts ahead of us okay you got a game in hand but you still got to win that, as we all know strange things happen at this time of the season you lot are not quite safe yet

I actually discussed this issue at length with TG and can tell you that what you say in not 100% correct so again using your logic how much proof do you need? It's all irrelevant anyway because we accepted Tans investment. We cannot change this but we should now be focused on getting behind the return of our colours and perhaps we may change our future.

you just lost what little credibility you had left

I got to agree with Craig on this I think you just hit the bottom of the barrel saying that

Say what you want but it is true. Actually I found that TG was a very open person who would always answer a straight question when asked.

Oh dear just the reply I expected ,

I actually discussed this issue at length with TG and can tell you that what you say in not 100% correct so again using your logic how much proof do you need? It's all irrelevant anyway because we accepted Tans investment. We cannot change this but we should now be focused on getting behind the return of our colours and perhaps we may change our future.

you just lost what little credibility you had left

I got to agree with Craig on this I think you just hit the bottom of the barrel saying that

Say what you want but it is true. Actually I found that TG was a very open person who would always answer a straight question when asked.

No need to keep digging at all what I have stated is true. If you send me a PM I will inform you and your disbelieving friend Craig of the event that I attended and even who was sitting next to me and photographs of the event if needed. It may come as a shock but some fans do actually get to speak to owners and directors and sometimes they even answer questions as well.

I actually discussed this issue at length with TG and can tell you that what you say in not 100% correct so again using your logic how much proof do you need? It's all irrelevant anyway because we accepted Tans investment. We cannot change this but we should now be focused on getting behind the return of our colours and perhaps we may change our future.

you just lost what little credibility you had left

I got to agree with Craig on this I think you just hit the bottom of the barrel saying that

Say what you want but it is true. Actually I found that TG was a very open person who would always answer a straight question when asked.

No need to keep digging at all what I have stated is true. If you send me a PM I will inform you and your disbelieving friend Craig of the event that I attended and even who was sitting next to me and photographs of the event if needed. It may come as a shock but some fans do actually get to speak to owners and directors and sometimes they even answer questions as well.

keep it coming, this is priceless. Im sure they discussed in great length the other buyers that were available, after all, malaysians are well known gossips

I actually discussed this issue at length with TG and can tell you that what you say in not 100% correct so again using your logic how much proof do you need? It's all irrelevant anyway because we accepted Tans investment. We cannot change this but we should now be focused on getting behind the return of our colours and perhaps we may change our future.

you just lost what little credibility you had left

I got to agree with Craig on this I think you just hit the bottom of the barrel saying that

Say what you want but it is true. Actually I found that TG was a very open person who would always answer a straight question when asked.

No need to keep digging at all what I have stated is true. If you send me a PM I will inform you and your disbelieving friend Craig of the event that I attended and even who was sitting next to me and photographs of the event if needed. It may come as a shock but some fans do actually get to speak to owners and directors and sometimes they even answer questions as well.

What event Players awards by any chance

No not the players awards but if you PM me then I will furnish you with further details.

You keep harping on about just because your team isn't very good, at this present moment in time the jacks are only 4pts ahead of us okay you got a game in hand but you still got to win that, as we all know strange things happen at this time of the season you lot are not quite safe yet

come off it, you cant even compare. Since Monk has taken over he has the best points pr game ratio of any previous Swans manager in the Premier League. To play the amount of games we have played, participate in a successful European campaign and be 2 points from 10th is remarkable. With WBA next im sure we will be there or there abouts.

But back to the point, the quality of our side doesnt come into it. We have nothing to complain about, we own a large % of the club.

You keep harping on about just because your team isn't very good, at this present moment in time the jacks are only 4pts ahead of us okay you got a game in hand but you still got to win that, as we all know strange things happen at this time of the season you lot are not quite safe yet

come off it, you cant even compare. Since Monk has taken over he has the best points pr game ratio of any previous Swans manager in the Premier League. To play the amount of games we have played and be 2 points from 10th is remarkable. With WBA next im sure we will be there or there abouts.

But back to the point, the quality of our side doesnt come into it. We have nothing to complain about, we own a large % of the club.

Why are you telling me that you lot own a large % of the club, I'm not intrested I was just saying that you are only 4pts ahead of us at the moment

No not the players awards but if you PM me then I will furnish you with further details.

Just Pm me your info I will then give you my answer, but I hope it's an audible conversation filmed between yourself and TG so I can see what he said to you, then I wont be a disbeliever