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Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:02 pm

There is only one CRISIS at this club and that's our ability to remain in this division. For that I place 90% of the blame on Malky and Moody for the standard of players brought in during the summer and in particular for not addressing the one area we all knew needed addressing i.e. bringing in any natural goalscorers and Tan 10% for not getting rid of Malky earlier i.e. when he got rid of Moody.

Colour of the shirt, Tan making us a laughing stock etc. etc. is not a CRISIS as much as people want to go on an on blaming Tan for everything just because its suits them to do so. :evil:

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:08 pm

bluelover wrote:There is only one CRISIS at this club and that's our ability to remain in this division. For that I place 90% of the blame on Malky and Moody for the standard of players brought in during the summer and in particular for not addressing the one area we all knew needed addressing i.e. bringing in any natural goalscorers and Tan 10% for not getting rid of Malky earlier i.e. when he got rid of Moody.

Colour of the shirt, Tan making us a laughing stock etc. etc. is not a CRISIS as much as people want to go on an on blaming Tan for everything just because its suits them to do so. :evil:


Well u need to change your name then to Redlover.

When Ole took over everyone admitted it was all down to him now, we were not in the bottom 3,we had over 18 games to play, points galore to play for and Ole brought 7 players in with him. I said then if Ole keeps us up then its all down to him,no on else, like wise if he fails. :thumbup:

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:22 pm

I think you forget the players in all this mess too, the behind scene's are far too convenient for our so-called hand picked and vigorously vetted players to have excuses. They have that mindset that whatever happens they have the circumstances to fall back on and blame instead of looking at themselves as professionals, they seem to come out right from the start with Ive given up attitudes. That goes back as far as Palace away & Southampton home where it was sp evident, they as professionals have let us, the both managers, themselves and their professions down. Thank god that the majority of them wont be with us next season, so much for the heavy vetting of a player.

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:28 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
bluelover wrote:There is only one CRISIS at this club and that's our ability to remain in this division. For that I place 90% of the blame on Malky and Moody for the standard of players brought in during the summer and in particular for not addressing the one area we all knew needed addressing i.e. bringing in any natural goalscorers and Tan 10% for not getting rid of Malky earlier i.e. when he got rid of Moody.

Colour of the shirt, Tan making us a laughing stock etc. etc. is not a CRISIS as much as people want to go on an on blaming Tan for everything just because its suits them to do so. :evil:


Well u need to change your name then to Redlover.

When Ole took over everyone admitted it was all down to him now, we were not in the bottom 3,we had over 18 games to play, points galore to play for and Ole brought 7 players in with him. I said then if Ole keeps us up then its all down to him,no on else, like wise if he fails. :thumbup:


Annis I have taken that shit from many on here but though you were better but evidently I was wrong. I got my nick when my club of 40 years played in blue and I was there with you alongside the other 999 fans who used to pack Ninian Park.

Personally I couldn't give a shit what colour we play in it doesn't matter to me whereas it means everything to you and you have an agenda against Tan because of it which is fine except when you use it to excuse everything. There is only one CRISIS here and its due to Malky's poor management and the slide he was responsible for and yes unfortunately Ole was not able to address. It will be interesting in 10 years just who will prove to be the better manager Malky or Ole. Ole has potential but Malky will never make it as a premiership manager in my eyes and the majority of City fans eyes as we have seen the crap football he serves up which is mid Championship at best unless he gets lucky enough to be fed millions by an owner such as Tan

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:34 pm

bluelover wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
bluelover wrote:There is only one CRISIS at this club and that's our ability to remain in this division. For that I place 90% of the blame on Malky and Moody for the standard of players brought in during the summer and in particular for not addressing the one area we all knew needed addressing i.e. bringing in any natural goalscorers and Tan 10% for not getting rid of Malky earlier i.e. when he got rid of Moody.

Colour of the shirt, Tan making us a laughing stock etc. etc. is not a CRISIS as much as people want to go on an on blaming Tan for everything just because its suits them to do so. :evil:


Well u need to change your name then to Redlover.

When Ole took over everyone admitted it was all down to him now, we were not in the bottom 3,we had over 18 games to play, points galore to play for and Ole brought 7 players in with him. I said then if Ole keeps us up then its all down to him,no on else, like wise if he fails. :thumbup:


Annis I have taken that shit from many on here but though you were better but evidently I was wrong. I got my nick when my club of 40 years played in blue and I was there with you alongside the other 999 fans who used to pack Ninian Park.

Personally I couldn't give a shit what colour we play in it doesn't matter to me whereas it means everything to you and you have an agenda against Tan because of it which is fine except when you use it to excuse everything. There is only one CRISIS here and its due to Malky's poor management and the slide he was responsible for and yes unfortunately Ole was not able to address. It will be interesting in 10 years just who will prove to be the better manager Malky or Ole. Ole has potential but Malky will never make it as a premiership manager in my eyes and the majority of City fans eyes as we have seen the crap football he serves up which is mid Championship at best unless he gets lucky enough to be fed millions by an owner such as Tan



I said it because like u say the colour does not matter to you at all and yet your name is Bluelover, surely u can see where I am coming from? But your right everyone has their own opinions/beliefs :thumbup:
If I have upset u I apologies. :thumbup:

As to an agenda, my only agenda against Tan is the stripping of our Identity.

I will say it again Ole has to take the blame if we go down, if we stay up I applaud him :thumbup: :thumbup:

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:36 pm

ThomasC wrote:The picture should be clear for all to see.

OGS was the wrong appointment, no pedigree for what was needed, awful in the transfer market. Malky got a few things wrong in the last summer transfer window.

My opinion is that Malky is a good coach.

Tan is a parasite and we are it's host.....remember that pls HOST cos without the fans Cardiff City does not exist!!

Malky spent more on one striker that turned out to be pathetic than OGS spent in the whole January window and you claim OGS was rubbish in the window and mailky made a few mistakes? :lol:

Stop the Malky man love ffs, we need to get behind OGS not hang him out to dry.

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:38 pm

Nanny McPhail wrote:
ThomasC wrote:The picture should be clear for all to see.

OGS was the wrong appointment, no pedigree for what was needed, awful in the transfer market. Malky got a few things wrong in the last summer transfer window.

My opinion is that Malky is a good coach.

Tan is a parasite and we are it's host.....remember that pls HOST cos without the fans Cardiff City does not exist!!

Malky spent more on one striker that turned out to be pathetic than OGS spent in the whole January window and you claim OGS was rubbish in the window and mailky made a few mistakes? :lol:

Stop the Malky man love ffs, we need to get behind OGS not hang him out to dry.



I think all this talk about blaming managers is a misnomer.

The circus in and around our club has destabalised us and that is a result of Tan being allowed to fiddle and feck us over - THAT is the real crime here, not what managers did or didn't do.

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:42 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
bluelover wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
bluelover wrote:There is only one CRISIS at this club and that's our ability to remain in this division. For that I place 90% of the blame on Malky and Moody for the standard of players brought in during the summer and in particular for not addressing the one area we all knew needed addressing i.e. bringing in any natural goalscorers and Tan 10% for not getting rid of Malky earlier i.e. when he got rid of Moody.

Colour of the shirt, Tan making us a laughing stock etc. etc. is not a CRISIS as much as people want to go on an on blaming Tan for everything just because its suits them to do so. :evil:


Well u need to change your name then to Redlover.

When Ole took over everyone admitted it was all down to him now, we were not in the bottom 3,we had over 18 games to play, points galore to play for and Ole brought 7 players in with him. I said then if Ole keeps us up then its all down to him,no on else, like wise if he fails. :thumbup:


Annis I have taken that shit from many on here but though you were better but evidently I was wrong. I got my nick when my club of 40 years played in blue and I was there with you alongside the other 999 fans who used to pack Ninian Park.

Personally I couldn't give a shit what colour we play in it doesn't matter to me whereas it means everything to you and you have an agenda against Tan because of it which is fine except when you use it to excuse everything. There is only one CRISIS here and its due to Malky's poor management and the slide he was responsible for and yes unfortunately Ole was not able to address. It will be interesting in 10 years just who will prove to be the better manager Malky or Ole. Ole has potential but Malky will never make it as a premiership manager in my eyes and the majority of City fans eyes as we have seen the crap football he serves up which is mid Championship at best unless he gets lucky enough to be fed millions by an owner such as Tan



I said it because like u say the colour does not matter to you at all and yet your name is Bluelover, surely u can see where I am coming from? But your right everyone has their own opinions/beliefs :thumbup:
If I have upset u I apologies. :thumbup:

As to an agenda, my only agenda against Tan is the stripping of our Identity.

I will say it again Ole has to take the blame if we go down, if we stay up I applaud him :thumbup: :thumbup:


But Annis why should Ole take the blame and not share the blame. Do you honestly hand on heart think Malky did a great job this season and is totally blameless. You say your only agenda against Tan is stripping the identity,so are your suggesting that Ole will be 100% to blame for us going down?

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:19 pm

OBVIOUSLY no one man is to blame. All key parties shoulder some of the responsibility.
We would all have rather stayed blue and I am sure that at some point the bluebirds will rise from the ashes like the proverbial phoenix. That said I am fed up with the one eyed criticism of Tan. I am sure that he is a difficult person to work for, he handled MMs sacking very poorly, and he knows little about football. BUT, even if you loathe him, the fact remains that he has put a lot of money into the club. That alone is more than some of his predecessors who seem to escape the scathing attacks. Personal and offensive criticism only divides the club and belittles those who make it.
THE question we should ask ourselves is why are Hull a better football team than Cardiff now??.
We were the better team in the Champinship and we spent far far more than them "strengthening" (??) our side. They seem to have a simlar Chairman.
I hope and think that MM can have a fine future career as a top manager but he made some major blunders in his first months as a premier manager. He's probably a wiser person and manager now. OGS has come in late and into a mess. That said he has not done well and while it is too early to judge him ,the most vital thing was to have a settled defence. We do not have that.I hope and think that he can also be a successful top flight manager (maybe with us).
As for Tan I will judge the man more on how he behaves in adversity. If and when we get relegated. Sadly I fear the worst but hope for the best. In the meantime lets hope for miracles! bluebirds :thumbup:

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:25 pm

bluelover wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
bluelover wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
bluelover wrote:There is only one CRISIS at this club and that's our ability to remain in this division. For that I place 90% of the blame on Malky and Moody for the standard of players brought in during the summer and in particular for not addressing the one area we all knew needed addressing i.e. bringing in any natural goalscorers and Tan 10% for not getting rid of Malky earlier i.e. when he got rid of Moody.

Colour of the shirt, Tan making us a laughing stock etc. etc. is not a CRISIS as much as people want to go on an on blaming Tan for everything just because its suits them to do so. :evil:


Well u need to change your name then to Redlover.

When Ole took over everyone admitted it was all down to him now, we were not in the bottom 3,we had over 18 games to play, points galore to play for and Ole brought 7 players in with him. I said then if Ole keeps us up then its all down to him,no on else, like wise if he fails. :thumbup:


Annis I have taken that shit from many on here but though you were better but evidently I was wrong. I got my nick when my club of 40 years played in blue and I was there with you alongside the other 999 fans who used to pack Ninian Park.

Personally I couldn't give a shit what colour we play in it doesn't matter to me whereas it means everything to you and you have an agenda against Tan because of it which is fine except when you use it to excuse everything. There is only one CRISIS here and its due to Malky's poor management and the slide he was responsible for and yes unfortunately Ole was not able to address. It will be interesting in 10 years just who will prove to be the better manager Malky or Ole. Ole has potential but Malky will never make it as a premiership manager in my eyes and the majority of City fans eyes as we have seen the crap football he serves up which is mid Championship at best unless he gets lucky enough to be fed millions by an owner such as Tan



I said it because like u say the colour does not matter to you at all and yet your name is Bluelover, surely u can see where I am coming from? But your right everyone has their own opinions/beliefs :thumbup:
If I have upset u I apologies. :thumbup:

As to an agenda, my only agenda against Tan is the stripping of our Identity.

I will say it again Ole has to take the blame if we go down, if we stay up I applaud him :thumbup: :thumbup:


But Annis why should Ole take the blame and not share the blame. Do you honestly hand on heart think Malky did a great job this season and is totally blameless. You say your only agenda against Tan is stripping the identity,so are your suggesting that Ole will be 100% to blame for us going down?


If we are relegated then regarding managers yes Ole takes the blame, regarding the over all picture Tan takes the blame. Yes I do believe Malky would of kept us up, yes negative football, but all fans agreed first season as long as we stayed up thats what really mattered. :thumbup:

Malky during late Oct/Nov and Dec had a lunatic on his back and thats a sad fact.

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:04 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
bluelover wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
bluelover wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
bluelover wrote:There is only one CRISIS at this club and that's our ability to remain in this division. For that I place 90% of the blame on Malky and Moody for the standard of players brought in during the summer and in particular for not addressing the one area we all knew needed addressing i.e. bringing in any natural goalscorers and Tan 10% for not getting rid of Malky earlier i.e. when he got rid of Moody.

Colour of the shirt, Tan making us a laughing stock etc. etc. is not a CRISIS as much as people want to go on an on blaming Tan for everything just because its suits them to do so. :evil:


Well u need to change your name then to Redlover.

When Ole took over everyone admitted it was all down to him now, we were not in the bottom 3,we had over 18 games to play, points galore to play for and Ole brought 7 players in with him. I said then if Ole keeps us up then its all down to him,no on else, like wise if he fails. :thumbup:


Annis I have taken that shit from many on here but though you were better but evidently I was wrong. I got my nick when my club of 40 years played in blue and I was there with you alongside the other 999 fans who used to pack Ninian Park.

Personally I couldn't give a shit what colour we play in it doesn't matter to me whereas it means everything to you and you have an agenda against Tan because of it which is fine except when you use it to excuse everything. There is only one CRISIS here and its due to Malky's poor management and the slide he was responsible for and yes unfortunately Ole was not able to address. It will be interesting in 10 years just who will prove to be the better manager Malky or Ole. Ole has potential but Malky will never make it as a premiership manager in my eyes and the majority of City fans eyes as we have seen the crap football he serves up which is mid Championship at best unless he gets lucky enough to be fed millions by an owner such as Tan



I said it because like u say the colour does not matter to you at all and yet your name is Bluelover, surely u can see where I am coming from? But your right everyone has their own opinions/beliefs :thumbup:
If I have upset u I apologies. :thumbup:

As to an agenda, my only agenda against Tan is the stripping of our Identity.

I will say it again Ole has to take the blame if we go down, if we stay up I applaud him :thumbup: :thumbup:


But Annis why should Ole take the blame and not share the blame. Do you honestly hand on heart think Malky did a great job this season and is totally blameless. You say your only agenda against Tan is stripping the identity,so are your suggesting that Ole will be 100% to blame for us going down?


If we are relegated then regarding managers yes Ole takes the blame, regarding the over all picture Tan takes the blame. Yes I do believe Malky would of kept us up, yes negative football, but all fans agreed first season as long as we stayed up thats what really mattered. :thumbup:

Malky during late Oct/Nov and Dec had a lunatic on his back and thats a sad fact.


Have to totally disagree with you we were never going to stay up with the lack of goals in the squad that Malky assembled which unfortunately Ole could not add to.

You conveniently chose to remember the good start and ignore the middle and end of Malkys reign where you put team's poor performance totally down to Tan's interference rather than Malky's limited abilities which were also in evidence towards the end of the Championship campaigns for both us and Watford

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:48 pm

Tan does not pick the team. Tan does not decide on the formation. Cardiff City are become a laughing
stock because of him. But Cardiff City are looking at relegation because of Malky Mackay and now Solksjaer.
We know Hamman only made the statement about Malky because he is a snake and will say and do anything
for his money. But he was right. Tan backed Mackay totally and fully in the transfer market but Malky messed
up

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:48 pm

Some people are letting their personal issues get in the way. Tan does not pick the team.

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:20 am

Sorry. Annis very simplistiic to blame man at top? But in this case you and lots more would be blaming tan for interfering in what manager was doing regarding signings ect, you cannot have your cake and eat it? Yes blame tan for rebrand and all other crap inside club , but no way can you blame any owner for managers ludicrus waste of money that our manager managed to do in who he signed! After all who said tan knew sweet fa about football? So he lets manager free reign to sign players guess thats his fault aswell? I blame tan for us getting to premierhip! Or was that down to manager? Cant have it both ways? :old:

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:32 am

pembroke allan wrote:Sorry. Annis very simplistiic to blame man at top? But in this case you and lots more would be blaming tan for interfering in what manager was doing regarding signings ect, you cannot have your cake and eat it? Yes blame tan for rebrand and all other crap inside club , but no way can you blame any owner for managers ludicrus waste of money that our manager managed to do in who he signed! After all who said tan knew sweet fa about football? So he lets manager free reign to sign players guess thats his fault aswell? I blame tan for us getting to premierhip! Or was that down to manager? Cant have it both ways? :old:


You accuse Malky of wasting money yet he got us promoted on a 15 million budget and had to rebuild the majority of the team. It was understandable that considering the amount of signings that were made that one or two of them would not work out. You fail to mention an equally ludicrous waste of money in Etien Velikonja which if you remember Tan brought into the club and tried to get Malky to play him. I can see by your posts you are pro Tan but we all have our cross to bear.

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:38 am

:roll:
bluelover wrote:There is only one CRISIS at this club and that's our ability to remain in this division. For that I place 90% of the blame on Malky and Moody for the standard of players brought in during the summer and in particular for not addressing the one area we all knew needed addressing i.e. bringing in any natural goalscorers and Tan 10% for not getting rid of Malky earlier i.e. when he got rid of Moody.

Colour of the shirt, Tan making us a laughing stock etc. etc. is not a CRISIS as much as people want to go on an on blaming Tan for everything just because its suits them to do so. :evil:
:roll:

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:13 am

bluelover wrote:There is only one CRISIS at this club and that's our ability to remain in this division. For that I place 90% of the blame on Malky and Moody for the standard of players brought in during the summer and in particular for not addressing the one area we all knew needed addressing i.e. bringing in any natural goalscorers and Tan 10% for not getting rid of Malky earlier i.e. when he got rid of Moody.

Colour of the shirt, Tan making us a laughing stock etc. etc. is not a CRISIS as much as people want to go on an on blaming Tan for everything just because its suits them to do so. :evil:



While I didn't like the way Malky set-up his teams to play and was extremely disappointed by his awful signings you are missing a key point - the circus in and around our club has impacted every aspect of the club including the team. The uncertainty, the fans in disarray, an unpredictable and volatile chairman, negative media attention etc have all, wrongly or rightly, impacted the team and the teams ability to perform.

Our performances in the league, whoever is in charge, have been affected by the circus that we have become... and the circus started when the majority of fans bent over and invited Tan to stripe us of our identity for 30 pieces of silver.

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:32 am

AfricanBluebird wrote:
bluelover wrote:There is only one CRISIS at this club and that's our ability to remain in this division. For that I place 90% of the blame on Malky and Moody for the standard of players brought in during the summer and in particular for not addressing the one area we all knew needed addressing i.e. bringing in any natural goalscorers and Tan 10% for not getting rid of Malky earlier i.e. when he got rid of Moody.

Colour of the shirt, Tan making us a laughing stock etc. etc. is not a CRISIS as much as people want to go on an on blaming Tan for everything just because its suits them to do so. :evil:



While I didn't like the way Malky set-up his teams to play and was extremely disappointed by his awful signings you are missing a key point - the circus in and around our club has impacted every aspect of the club including the team. The uncertainty, the fans in disarray, an unpredictable and volatile chairman, negative media attention etc have all, wrongly or rightly, impacted the team and the teams ability to perform.

Our performances in the league, whoever is in charge, have been affected by the circus that we have become... and the circus started when the majority of fans bent over and invited Tan to stripe us of our identity for 30 pieces of silver.

Absolute rubbish the team has been affected by off field matters. There were plenty of them last season and it didnt make a difference then, just because we are crap all of a sudden its not the players fault???

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:34 am

Bluebird64 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:Sorry. Annis very simplistiic to blame man at top? But in this case you and lots more would be blaming tan for interfering in what manager was doing regarding signings ect, you cannot have your cake and eat it? Yes blame tan for rebrand and all other crap inside club , but no way can you blame any owner for managers ludicrus waste of money that our manager managed to do in who he signed! After all who said tan knew sweet fa about football? So he lets manager free reign to sign players guess thats his fault aswell? I blame tan for us getting to premierhip! Or was that down to manager? Cant have it both ways? :old:


You accuse Malky of wasting money yet he got us promoted on a 15 million budget and had to rebuild the majority of the team. It was understandable that considering the amount of signings that were made that one or two of them would not work out. You fail to mention an equally ludicrous waste of money in Etien Velikonja which if you remember Tan brought into the club and tried to get Malky to play him. I can see by your posts you are pro Tan but we all have our cross to bear.

Velikonja was a malky signing. He said himself he tracked him for 2 years while at Watford. But hes shit, like Acorn so they must have been anyone bar Malky's fault.

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:35 am

CraigCCFC wrote:
Bluebird64 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:Sorry. Annis very simplistiic to blame man at top? But in this case you and lots more would be blaming tan for interfering in what manager was doing regarding signings ect, you cannot have your cake and eat it? Yes blame tan for rebrand and all other crap inside club , but no way can you blame any owner for managers ludicrus waste of money that our manager managed to do in who he signed! After all who said tan knew sweet fa about football? So he lets manager free reign to sign players guess thats his fault aswell? I blame tan for us getting to premierhip! Or was that down to manager? Cant have it both ways? :old:


You accuse Malky of wasting money yet he got us promoted on a 15 million budget and had to rebuild the majority of the team. It was understandable that considering the amount of signings that were made that one or two of them would not work out. You fail to mention an equally ludicrous waste of money in Etien Velikonja which if you remember Tan brought into the club and tried to get Malky to play him. I can see by your posts you are pro Tan but we all have our cross to bear.

Velikonja was a malky signing. He said himself he tracked him for 2 years while at Watford. But hes shit, like Acorn so they must have been anyone bar Malky's fault.


Good signings are Malky signings bad are Tan. See what I mean about those that hate Tan being ridiculous in their criticism of Tan? Lefties do this about the Tories. Criticise everything and it loses credibility.

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:47 am

Forever Blue wrote:' The current blame for Cardiff City's crisis lies with one man and one man only '

Vincent Tan is the owner,he has sacked Malky,he sanctioned all the transfers,then publicly undermined the manager,divided our fans on the rebrand/Malky/created mass debt,yet to deliver on solving the debt and Tan has also created an international media circus which has rounded on the club.

After sacking Malky, rightly or wrongly, Tan then brings in an inexperienced manager for the Premier League of all the divisions and a relegation battle to boot.

To sum it up, Vincent Tan is the man at the top and gives all the orders, so takes the credit when all goes right(walking around the pitch after Bolton game taking the plaudits) and when all goes wrong thanks to his clueless football knowledge.


Who do you blame for the whole current crisis?


Here's a question for you Annis, if Dave Jones had been given the budget that Malky was given in the Championship, do you think that he would have got us promoted ?

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:54 am

Leytonstoneblue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:' The current blame for Cardiff City's crisis lies with one man and one man only '

Vincent Tan is the owner,he has sacked Malky,he sanctioned all the transfers,then publicly undermined the manager,divided our fans on the rebrand/Malky/created mass debt,yet to deliver on solving the debt and Tan has also created an international media circus which has rounded on the club.

After sacking Malky, rightly or wrongly, Tan then brings in an inexperienced manager for the Premier League of all the divisions and a relegation battle to boot.

To sum it up, Vincent Tan is the man at the top and gives all the orders, so takes the credit when all goes right(walking around the pitch after Bolton game taking the plaudits) and when all goes wrong thanks to his clueless football knowledge.


Who do you blame for the whole current crisis?


Here's a question for you Annis, if Dave Jones had been given the budget that Malky was given in the Championship, do you think that he would have got us promoted ?


Yes he would have and put together a better premiership squad. He signed more players capable of playing premiership football than Malky.

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:58 am

Leytonstoneblue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:' The current blame for Cardiff City's crisis lies with one man and one man only '

Vincent Tan is the owner,he has sacked Malky,he sanctioned all the transfers,then publicly undermined the manager,divided our fans on the rebrand/Malky/created mass debt,yet to deliver on solving the debt and Tan has also created an international media circus which has rounded on the club.

After sacking Malky, rightly or wrongly, Tan then brings in an inexperienced manager for the Premier League of all the divisions and a relegation battle to boot.

To sum it up, Vincent Tan is the man at the top and gives all the orders, so takes the credit when all goes right(walking around the pitch after Bolton game taking the plaudits) and when all goes wrong thanks to his clueless football knowledge.


Who do you blame for the whole current crisis?


Here's a question for you Annis, if Dave Jones had been given the budget that Malky was given in the Championship, do you think that he would have got us promoted ?



Honestly No.

One, because players did not play for him or the team when it really mattered, he brought in the type of players that played for themselves, Ive actually been in the dressing room before a game when DJ was in charge and hardly any player would listen to his team talks, I was stunned/shocked, by his whole set up.

Two, DJ was was a bottler and virtually always bottled it on the big games when it really mattered, an example he always use to bottle it at Wolves, yes he finally got there, but I personally had no faith in him. His record at Cardiff for bottling it in 6 years was awful in my opinion.

Three, DJ had No plan B and his record of coming back from games when we were 1 nil down is one of the worst records in British football something like 12 wins from 110 games.

I could go on and on regarding DJ and have done on a 1,000 occasions.

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:26 am

Forever Blue wrote:
Leytonstoneblue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:' The current blame for Cardiff City's crisis lies with one man and one man only '

Vincent Tan is the owner,he has sacked Malky,he sanctioned all the transfers,then publicly undermined the manager,divided our fans on the rebrand/Malky/created mass debt,yet to deliver on solving the debt and Tan has also created an international media circus which has rounded on the club.

After sacking Malky, rightly or wrongly, Tan then brings in an inexperienced manager for the Premier League of all the divisions and a relegation battle to boot.

To sum it up, Vincent Tan is the man at the top and gives all the orders, so takes the credit when all goes right(walking around the pitch after Bolton game taking the plaudits) and when all goes wrong thanks to his clueless football knowledge.


Who do you blame for the whole current crisis?


Here's a question for you Annis, if Dave Jones had been given the budget that Malky was given in the Championship, do you think that he would have got us promoted ?



Honestly No.

One, because players did not play for him or the team when it really mattered, he brought in the type of players that played for themselves, Ive actually been in the dressing room before a game when DJ was in charge and hardly any player would listen to his team talks, I was stunned/shocked, by his whole set up.

Two, DJ was was a bottler and virtually always bottled it on the big games when it really mattered, an example he always use to bottle it at Wolves, yes he finally got there, but I personally had no faith in him. His record at Cardiff for bottling it in 6 years was awful in my opinion.

Three, DJ had No plan B and his record of coming back from games when we were 1 nil down is one of the worst records in British football something like 12 wins from 110 games.

I could go on and on regarding DJ and have done on a 1,000 occasions.


How did you manage to do that during team talks ? ?

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:32 am

Jinks wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Leytonstoneblue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:' The current blame for Cardiff City's crisis lies with one man and one man only '

Vincent Tan is the owner,he has sacked Malky,he sanctioned all the transfers,then publicly undermined the manager,divided our fans on the rebrand/Malky/created mass debt,yet to deliver on solving the debt and Tan has also created an international media circus which has rounded on the club.

After sacking Malky, rightly or wrongly, Tan then brings in an inexperienced manager for the Premier League of all the divisions and a relegation battle to boot.

To sum it up, Vincent Tan is the man at the top and gives all the orders, so takes the credit when all goes right(walking around the pitch after Bolton game taking the plaudits) and when all goes wrong thanks to his clueless football knowledge.


Who do you blame for the whole current crisis?


Here's a question for you Annis, if Dave Jones had been given the budget that Malky was given in the Championship, do you think that he would have got us promoted ?



Honestly No.

One, because players did not play for him or the team when it really mattered, he brought in the type of players that played for themselves, Ive actually been in the dressing room before a game when DJ was in charge and hardly any player would listen to his team talks, I was stunned/shocked, by his whole set up.

Two, DJ was was a bottler and virtually always bottled it on the big games when it really mattered, an example he always use to bottle it at Wolves, yes he finally got there, but I personally had no faith in him. His record at Cardiff for bottling it in 6 years was awful in my opinion.

Three, DJ had No plan B and his record of coming back from games when we were 1 nil down is one of the worst records in British football something like 12 wins from 110 games.

I could go on and on regarding DJ and have done on a 1,000 occasions.


How did you manage to do that during team talks ? ?


Jinks
My Daughters were mascots and for some reason I was able to stay in there right up until kick off, it was during Riddlers reign.
Its funny how this topic once again has been changed and I dont mean by you Jinks.

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:36 am

CraigCCFC wrote:
AfricanBluebird wrote:
bluelover wrote:There is only one CRISIS at this club and that's our ability to remain in this division. For that I place 90% of the blame on Malky and Moody for the standard of players brought in during the summer and in particular for not addressing the one area we all knew needed addressing i.e. bringing in any natural goalscorers and Tan 10% for not getting rid of Malky earlier i.e. when he got rid of Moody.

Colour of the shirt, Tan making us a laughing stock etc. etc. is not a CRISIS as much as people want to go on an on blaming Tan for everything just because its suits them to do so. :evil:



While I didn't like the way Malky set-up his teams to play and was extremely disappointed by his awful signings you are missing a key point - the circus in and around our club has impacted every aspect of the club including the team. The uncertainty, the fans in disarray, an unpredictable and volatile chairman, negative media attention etc have all, wrongly or rightly, impacted the team and the teams ability to perform.

Our performances in the league, whoever is in charge, have been affected by the circus that we have become... and the circus started when the majority of fans bent over and invited Tan to stripe us of our identity for 30 pieces of silver.

Absolute rubbish the team has been affected by off field matters. There were plenty of them last season and it didnt make a difference then, just because we are crap all of a sudden its not the players fault???


If our club (board, management, coaches and fans) were creating a positive atmosphere and stable conditions then I believe the team would be performing better.

The circus I speak of NOT only includes the rebrand but also the chopping and changing of key personnel, ambiguous job functions and roles, rumours of crazy antics by the chairman etc

All of that has created instability at every level of the club and in my opinion is a major contributing factor why things have not gone well on the pitch this year. Yes managers must take a fair proportion of the blame (Malky for spunking money away on players nowhere near ready or good enough and Ole for chopping and changing the team too much) but our club has lost it's identity and lacks the stability needed to thrive on the pitch. That has happened when we bent over and invited Tan to do whatever he liked for his cash.

Even Malky's spending is indicative of how poorly run our club is, a decent structure and 'football' man would have never allowed such spending.

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:06 pm

Forever Blue wrote:' The current blame for Cardiff City's crisis lies with one man and one man only '

Vincent Tan is the owner,he has sacked Malky,he sanctioned all the transfers,then publicly undermined the manager,divided our fans on the rebrand/Malky/created mass debt,yet to deliver on solving the debt and Tan has also created an international media circus which has rounded on the club.

After sacking Malky, rightly or wrongly, Tan then brings in an inexperienced manager for the Premier League of all the divisions and a relegation battle to boot.

To sum it up, Vincent Tan is the man at the top and gives all the orders, so takes the credit when all goes right(walking around the pitch after Bolton game taking the plaudits) and when all goes wrong thanks to his clueless football knowledge.


Who do you blame for the whole current crisis?



Any truth in the rumour you are buying the club?

Its all very well blaming the chairman but what is the alternative? If there was one I'd listen to you.

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:08 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Jinks wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Leytonstoneblue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:' The current blame for Cardiff City's crisis lies with one man and one man only '

Vincent Tan is the owner,he has sacked Malky,he sanctioned all the transfers,then publicly undermined the manager,divided our fans on the rebrand/Malky/created mass debt,yet to deliver on solving the debt and Tan has also created an international media circus which has rounded on the club.

After sacking Malky, rightly or wrongly, Tan then brings in an inexperienced manager for the Premier League of all the divisions and a relegation battle to boot.

To sum it up, Vincent Tan is the man at the top and gives all the orders, so takes the credit when all goes right(walking around the pitch after Bolton game taking the plaudits) and when all goes wrong thanks to his clueless football knowledge.


Who do you blame for the whole current crisis?


Here's a question for you Annis, if Dave Jones had been given the budget that Malky was given in the Championship, do you think that he would have got us promoted ?



Honestly No.

One, because players did not play for him or the team when it really mattered, he brought in the type of players that played for themselves, Ive actually been in the dressing room before a game when DJ was in charge and hardly any player would listen to his team talks, I was stunned/shocked, by his whole set up.

Two, DJ was was a bottler and virtually always bottled it on the big games when it really mattered, an example he always use to bottle it at Wolves, yes he finally got there, but I personally had no faith in him. His record at Cardiff for bottling it in 6 years was awful in my opinion.

Three, DJ had No plan B and his record of coming back from games when we were 1 nil down is one of the worst records in British football something like 12 wins from 110 games.

I could go on and on regarding DJ and have done on a 1,000 occasions.


How did you manage to do that during team talks ? ?


Jinks
My Daughters were mascots and for some reason I was able to stay in there right up until kick off, it was during Riddlers reign.
Its funny how this topic once again has been changed and I dont mean by you Jinks.


That's fair enough. I was not a supporter of DJ, certainly not after his third year in charge and the inconsistency, however, he did have to operate by selling his best players at crucial times and given that he would undeniably go on fantastic runs as well as abysmal runs, I would argue, that given the budget, he probably would have got us up. I'm not changing the topic by the way, as I was trying to make the point that it's ok blaming the crisis on Tan, but it really was his money that actually got us promoted, over and above whoever was managing, so if he takes the Lions share of the blame now, for the current fiasco, then he should take the majority of the praise for promotion, in the first place :thumbup:

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:25 pm

Forever Blue wrote:' The current blame for Cardiff City's crisis lies with one man and one man only '

Vincent Tan is the owner,he has sacked Malky,he sanctioned all the transfers,then publicly undermined the manager,divided our fans on the rebrand/Malky/created mass debt,yet to deliver on solving the debt and Tan has also created an international media circus which has rounded on the club.

After sacking Malky, rightly or wrongly, Tan then brings in an inexperienced manager for the Premier League of all the divisions and a relegation battle to boot.

To sum it up, Vincent Tan is the man at the top and gives all the orders, so takes the credit when all goes right(walking around the pitch after Bolton game taking the plaudits) and when all goes wrong thanks to his clueless football knowledge.


Who do you blame for the whole current crisis?


You can blame Tan for a lot of things but in my opinion the biggest blame falls with Malky for wasting the biggest transfer kitty Cardiff have had or ever will have again.

Steve Bruce showed exactly how to spend money in a transfer window for a newly promoted club. Malky was shit with the money.

Tan for all his faults backed Malky, Tans not a football man, the rebrand has proved that but he gave Malky a fighting chance of staying in the league.

Off the field everything is Tans fault. On the field, Malky all day long.

Re: ''Current blame for Cardiff's crisis lies with one man o

Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:36 pm

Cardiff Daft! wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:' The current blame for Cardiff City's crisis lies with one man and one man only '

Vincent Tan is the owner,he has sacked Malky,he sanctioned all the transfers,then publicly undermined the manager,divided our fans on the rebrand/Malky/created mass debt,yet to deliver on solving the debt and Tan has also created an international media circus which has rounded on the club.

After sacking Malky, rightly or wrongly, Tan then brings in an inexperienced manager for the Premier League of all the divisions and a relegation battle to boot.

To sum it up, Vincent Tan is the man at the top and gives all the orders, so takes the credit when all goes right(walking around the pitch after Bolton game taking the plaudits) and when all goes wrong thanks to his clueless football knowledge.


Who do you blame for the whole current crisis?


You can blame Tan for a lot of things but in my opinion the biggest blame falls with Malky for wasting the biggest transfer kitty Cardiff have had or ever will have again.

Steve Bruce showed exactly how to spend money in a transfer window for a newly promoted club. Malky was shit with the money.

Tan for all his faults backed Malky, Tans not a football man, the rebrand has proved that but he gave Malky a fighting chance of staying in the league.

Off the field everything is Tans fault. On the field, Malky all day long.


If we go down it is solksjaers fault.