Why the term Dictator?

A 'dictator' who saved this club from near certain extinction, giving us a team to support still.

Who then went a trod all over its identity and traditions, against the wishes of the fans.

Not so the fans who allegedly wrote to him begging to invest, nor the many wearing red shirts on matchdays, nor the many who have continued to get behind City whatever colour they are wearing.

Don't speak for all of us fans, sir. Who appointed you spokesperson?

Not so the fans who allegedly wrote to him begging to invest, nor the many wearing red shirts on matchdays, nor the many who have continued to get behind City whatever colour they are wearing.

Don't speak for all of us fans, sir. Who appointed you spokesperson?

so you think there are people that would actually prefer to see a city in red?!

Not so the fans who allegedly wrote to him begging to invest, nor the many wearing red shirts on matchdays, nor the many who have continued to get behind City whatever colour they are wearing.

Don't speak for all of us fans, sir. Who appointed you spokesperson?

so you think there are people that would actually prefer to see a city in red?!

What a nasty little shit you are Chuckles dear.

Not so the fans who allegedly wrote to him begging to invest, nor the many wearing red shirts on matchdays, nor the many who have continued to get behind City whatever colour they are wearing.

Don't speak for all of us fans, sir. Who appointed you spokesperson?

so you think there are people that would actually prefer to see a city in red?!

I don't think anyone would prefer red to blue if the conditions were the same. I know many who would prefer a healthy Cardiff City in red than a debt ridden one in blue.

This isn't the issue anyway, my point is that many fans don't hate VT the way you do and don't consider him a dictator. They might not even appreciate the red all that much but don't hate VT.

I don't think anyone would prefer red to blue if the conditions were the same. I know many who would prefer a healthy Cardiff City in red than a debt ridden one in blue.

This isn't the issue anyway, my point is that many fans don't hate VT the way you do and don't consider him a dictator. They might not even appreciate the red all that much but don't hate VT.

Which is a fair point. I've always stated that I'm aware that I'm in the minority in wanting Tan out. Even his biggest supporters amongst our fan base cannot claim that he had consultation with the fans before the rebrand.

I don't think anyone would prefer red to blue if the conditions were the same. I know many who would prefer a healthy Cardiff City in red than a debt ridden one in blue.

This isn't the issue anyway, my point is that many fans don't hate VT the way you do and don't consider him a dictator. They might not even appreciate the red all that much but don't hate VT.

Which is a fair point. I've always stated that I'm aware that I'm in the minority in wanting Tan out. Even his biggest supporters amongst our fan base cannot claim that he had consultation with the fans before the rebrand.

No and you're right that there was no consultation with the fans, but there are many issues with which football clubs owners don't discuss with fans. Ultimately their money buys them power which they have the right to use.

I don't think he went about the rebrand in a very diplomatic way, but as he owns the club he has the right to do what he has done. This makes him an owner not a dictator. Unfortunately for us he is an owner that doesn't listen to the fans.

I don't think anyone would prefer red to blue if the conditions were the same. I know many who would prefer a healthy Cardiff City in red than a debt ridden one in blue.

This isn't the issue anyway, my point is that many fans don't hate VT the way you do and don't consider him a dictator. They might not even appreciate the red all that much but don't hate VT.

Which is a fair point. I've always stated that I'm aware that I'm in the minority in wanting Tan out. Even his biggest supporters amongst our fan base cannot claim that he had consultation with the fans before the rebrand.

He had emails asking him to go ahead with it. If the poll in media wales was a poll with majority saying they want Tan out or blue back at all costs you would be all over it. Like it or not all Cardiff fans had the opportunity to vote. I did saying I wanted to keep blue.

There was no opportunity for Cardiff fans to vote or have their say.

FACT.

Neil, Also there were fans who wore T'shirts with Save Malky on and others with Tan Out on, were told if they wore them again, they would be banned from watching City, more dictatorship.

Can someone explain in a logical manner why Tan is called a dictator? If it refers to the change of colour and badge it simply isn't true. TG brought up the idea of a rebrand which would mean that Vincent Tan would invest £100 million for players, stadium improvements, debt to equity, new training facilities etc. When the fans rose against the idea TG announced that the rebrand was on hold but Vincent Tan would not invest the money and would seek other investment. This caused an about turn from a lot of Cardiff fans (not all) who said they were happy to change badge and kit for the investment. This occurred and the rest is history. They even went back on getting rid of the Bluebird in consultation with the fans. Hardly the actions of a dictator.

Subsequently, and to our detriment Vincent Tan trusted the wrong people with his money (or the banks money) to purchase players. Hardly the actions of a dictator.

Due to the above Tan made the decision to sack Malky. The outpouring of support at Liverpool resulted in Tan making a U Turn and delaying his sacking only sacking him when it became obvious Malky had lost the dressing room by the insipid display against Southampton. Hardly the actions of a dictator.

I am curious where the dictator stuff has come from. I believe he is wrong to have changed the colour but he had his reasons and it was in consultation with the fans who preferred long term stability over the problems we could have faced had Vincent Tan sought extra investment which may or may not have been there and certainly wouldn't have helped build the side that won the Championship albeit in a dire manner.

There may well be stuff I have missed so please enlighten me.

Hiya Vinnie.A bully and dictator is what you are.On your way home please roll your car.

A 'dictator' who saved this club from near certain extinction, giving us a team to support still.

Admin realy destroyed Swansea Crystal palace Southampton ect ect.Certain extinction.

A 'dictator' who saved this club from near certain extinction, giving us a team to support still.

Admin realy destroyed Swansea Crystal palace Southampton ect ect.Certain extinction.

We would have been more along the lines of Portsmouth, except we owed a lot of debt to HMRC who are not your average creditors. We would have been lucky to survive since we had already had several winding up orders against us already.

Some people have no idea how seriously bad things were.

A 'dictator' who saved this club from near certain extinction, giving us a team to support still.

Who then went a trod all over its identity and traditions, against the wishes of the fans.

Not so the fans who allegedly wrote to him begging to invest, nor the many wearing red shirts on matchdays

The fans wearing red on match days have been steadily dwindling all season. This seems to be in direct relation to Tans ever increasing contempt for anything other than his failed rebrand. A few isolated spots of red amongst the crowd was not what tan was expecting to happen after his glorious scarf gate. The rebrand has been a complete failure by Tans standards
and don't underestimate how much of an embarrassment it is for him not seeing a stadium full of red each week.

Neil, Also there were fans who wore T'shirts with Save Malky on and others with Tan Out on, were told if they wore them again, they would be banned from watching City, more dictatorship.

Should have carried on wearing them. I can imagine a good lawyer ripping apart a ban for wearing a shirt. Now that is out of order.

I don't think anyone would prefer red to blue if the conditions were the same. I know many who would prefer a healthy Cardiff City in red than a debt ridden one in blue.

This isn't the issue anyway, my point is that many fans don't hate VT the way you do and don't consider him a dictator. They might not even appreciate the red all that much but don't hate VT.

Which is a fair point. I've always stated that I'm aware that I'm in the minority in wanting Tan out. Even his biggest supporters amongst our fan base cannot claim that he had consultation with the fans before the rebrand.

He had emails asking him to go ahead with it. If the poll in media wales was a poll with majority saying they want Tan out or blue back at all costs you would be all over it. Like it or not all Cardiff fans had the opportunity to vote. I did saying I wanted to keep blue.

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I never take any notice of polls even if it suits my agenda.

There was no opportunity for Cardiff fans to vote or have their say.

FACT.

Apart from the poll on media wales.

There was no opportunity for Cardiff fans to vote or have their say.

FACT.

Apart from the poll on media wales.

So, how does a third party poll, run by a media outlet, suddenly become the club consulting the fans?

It doesn't. FACT. The club gave the fan base NO opportunity to vote or have their say.

FACT.

There was no opportunity for Cardiff fans to vote or have their say.

FACT.

Apart from the poll on media wales.

So, how does a third party poll, run by a media outlet, suddenly become the club consulting the fans?

It doesn't. FACT. The club gave the fan base NO opportunity to vote or have their say.

FACT.

You are a tw*t chuckles dear also a FACT

There was no opportunity for Cardiff fans to vote or have their say.

FACT.

Apart from the poll on media wales.

So, how does a third party poll, run by a media outlet, suddenly become the club consulting the fans?

It doesn't. FACT. The club gave the fan base NO opportunity to vote or have their say.

FACT.

Offered refunds on season tickets. A chance to vote with their feet.

No vote or consultation then, which is what you stated.

No vote or consultation then, which is what you stated.

You must remember Chuckles dear is always right.

No vote or consultation then, which is what you stated.

Vote on the media wales site and through the echo. Consultation with supporters club as my articles. As they did with the red shirts which got changed after fans turned against it with a vote on media wales. Yep a dictator.

No vote or consultation then, which is what you stated.

Vote on the media wales site and through the echo. Consultation with supporters club as my articles. As they did with the red shirts which got changed after fans turned against it with a vote on media wales. Yep a dictator.

So no vote from the club then. No consultation with 99% of supporters.

Shorts had a massive vote with ST holders. Are you seriously suggesting that had they done similar with the shirts - we would still be wearing red?

No vote or consultation then, which is what you stated.

Vote on the media wales site and through the echo. Consultation with supporters club as my articles. As they did with the red shirts which got changed after fans turned against it with a vote on media wales. Yep a dictator.

So no vote from the club then. No consultation with 99% of supporters.

Shorts had a massive vote with ST holders. Are you seriously suggesting that had they done similar with the shirts - we would still be wearing red?

We will never know. Don't forget that a lot of our season ticket holders are new supporters with little affinity to the blue. A lot came on board after the FA Cup and play off matches. They could well vote for something that would hugely increase our chances of FA Cup finals almost every week.

At the time of the rebrand tan threatened to walk away and withdraw any investment,now faced with this threat ,idol or not there's a very strong possibility season ticket holders would have voted in favour of the colour change.I say this because there was so very little opposition at the time.

At the time of the rebrand tan threatened to walk away and withdraw any investment,now faced with this threat ,idol or not there's a very strong possibility season ticket holders would have voted in favour of the colour change.I say this because there was so very little opposition at the time.

Tan actually stated he would bring in other investors and leave us in good hands. Only an idiot would interpret this as meaning administration. The reality was that our fans craved premiership football above our own colours and accepted Tans money whilst turning a blind eye whilst Tan systematically eradicated our identity. There was never any red or dead just greedy fans using this as an excuse to prostitute our club for a bit of premiership glory. Now that our premiership glory is about to end,fans must ask themselves was it worth it.