1st welsh club relegated from premiership

I disagree. It was Oles 5th PL game and we had lost 3 out of 4. The win came against Norwich where apart from a 2 goal 2 minute spell we were second best and got lucky.

You talk as though we were a good side that suddenly collapsed after the derby loss. Rubbish. This team is what it is based on the reasons I've already stated and not one result alone has made it that way.

Ive not said anything of the sort.

You were a side that was on course for 33 points come seasons end. From the derby onwards that form has gone completely as well as the belief of the fans and players. Your stats show you went into the game with 0.75 points per game under Ole and since then have achieved nearly half that.

You seemed to go from a rubbish side with a fighting chance of survival to a rubbish side with no chance of survival.

Rubbish. Many fans were quite confident of staying up until yesterday. Nobody has been talking about the derby game and at times recently we've actually had some decent, albeit unrewarded, performances that offered hope.

To then go back and try to claim that losing one away game 2 months ago has changed the side into relegation certainties is bizarre and a little desperate on your part.

I disagree. It was Oles 5th PL game and we had lost 3 out of 4. The win came against Norwich where apart from a 2 goal 2 minute spell we were second best and got lucky.

You talk as though we were a good side that suddenly collapsed after the derby loss. Rubbish. This team is what it is based on the reasons I've already stated and not one result alone has made it that way.

Ive not said anything of the sort.

You were a side that was on course for 33 points come seasons end. From the derby onwards that form has gone completely as well as the belief of the fans and players. Your stats show you went into the game with 0.75 points per game under Ole and since then have achieved nearly half that.

You seemed to go from a rubbish side with a fighting chance of survival to a rubbish side with no chance of survival.

Rubbish. Many fans were quite confident of staying up until yesterday. Nobody has been talking about the derby game and at times recently we've actually had some decent, albeit unrewarded, performances that offered hope.

To then go back and try to claim that losing one away game 2 months ago has changed the side into relegation certainties is bizarre and a little desperate on your part.

Again, you may disagree if you wish but to call it rubbish is indeed... Rubbish.

0.85 points per game before, 0.75 points per game before under Ole..... 0.4 points since and roundly taken apart by nearly all. The change in fans attitude was clear and cannot be argued.

You HAVE nosedived since that result, this is a fact.

I don't think anyone can seriously say that this game had any significant effect on the rest of the season. If that was the case then we should have started climbing the table after beating you. Despite the hype and rivalry we took 3 points off you and you took 3 points off us, Full stop. If it feeds some Swansea fans ego to think that they played any significant part in our downfall, then leave them to it. Swansea ain't completely out of the woods yet and if they do survive then they are going to struggle next season imo

It wasnt the defeat as such it was the manner of the defeat and the obvious effect it had on your players and fans alike.

Your games after the derby have been far easier than that of the fixtures before it yet you have nose dived.

0.85 points per game before.

0.75 points per game under Ole before.

0.4 points per game since.

As i said before, that 0.75 was very lucky and could have easily been 0.25 were it not for amazing saves and the woodwork. Very misleading to use a sample of only 4 games to try and make comparisons, but then it's something you do a lot.

It certainly doesn't prove anything about the so called effect of a derby defeat.

How many teams in the past have started a season strongly only to fade away? Blackpool, Hull?
Swansea?

As i said before, that 0.75 was very lucky and could have easily been 0.25 were it not for amazing saves and the woodwork. Very misleading to use a sample of only 4 games to try and make comparisons, but then it's something you do a lot.

It certainly doesn't prove anything about the so called effect of a derby defeat.

How many teams in he past have started a season strongly only to fade away? Blackpool, Hull?
Swansea?

Sorry but not interested in "luck" - you make your own luck and it could be said for the 5 points picked up after the defeat too. Nonsense reasoning and can never be used for a basis to a sound debate.

Many teams have form changes, not denying that. but there are usually things you can point to.

Are you suggesting that it was just purely coincidental that the heavy derby defeat which saw your form take a complete nosedive by 40% productivity was just sheer happenstance? Sorry but that is just far fetched hope rather than reality.

As i said before, that 0.75 was very lucky and could have easily been 0.25 were it not for amazing saves and the woodwork. Very misleading to use a sample of only 4 games to try and make comparisons, but then it's something you do a lot.

It certainly doesn't prove anything about the so called effect of a derby defeat.

How many teams in he past have started a season strongly only to fade away? Blackpool, Hull?
Swansea?

Sorry but not interested in "luck" - you make your own luck and it could be said for the 5 points picked up after the defeat too. Nonsense reasoning and can never be used for a basis to a sound debate.

Many teams have form changes, not denying that. but there are usually things you can point to.

Are you suggesting that it was just purely coincidental that the heavy derby defeat which saw your form take a complete nosedive by 40% productivity was just sheer happenstance? Sorry but that is just far fetched hope rather than reality.

Oles first 5 games inc the derby - 3 points in 5 games - 0.6 points per game

The next 8 games - 5 points taken - 0.625 points per game.

Where's the nosedive?

As i said before, that 0.75 was very lucky and could have easily been 0.25 were it not for amazing saves and the woodwork. Very misleading to use a sample of only 4 games to try and make comparisons, but then it's something you do a lot.

It certainly doesn't prove anything about the so called effect of a derby defeat.

How many teams in he past have started a season strongly only to fade away? Blackpool, Hull?
Swansea?

Sorry but not interested in "luck" - you make your own luck and it could be said for the 5 points picked up after the defeat too. Nonsense reasoning and can never be used for a basis to a sound debate.

Many teams have form changes, not denying that. but there are usually things you can point to.

Are you suggesting that it was just purely coincidental that the heavy derby defeat which saw your form take a complete nosedive by 40% productivity was just sheer happenstance? Sorry but that is just far fetched hope rather than reality.

Oles first 5 games inc the derby - 3 points in 5 games - 0.6 points per game

The next 8 games - 5 points taken - 0.625 points per game.

Where's the nosedive?

The derby was the effect so you cant count the games after it and leave out the derby.

3 points from 4 before it - 0.75 points

5 points from 9 from then onwards (and defeat at home to Wigan) - 0.55 points.

f*cking unbelievable, the jacks beat us once and they believe they are responsible for our demise It's so laughable, sad obsessed bunch of idiots

f*cking unbelievable, the jacks beat us once and they believe they are responsible for our demise It's so laughable, sad obsessed bunch of idiots

Not responsible but clearly played a major part. We didnt just beat you, we crushed you.... And your players and fans confidence. You have been shocking since.

As i said before, that 0.75 was very lucky and could have easily been 0.25 were it not for amazing saves and the woodwork. Very misleading to use a sample of only 4 games to try and make comparisons, but then it's something you do a lot.

It certainly doesn't prove anything about the so called effect of a derby defeat.

How many teams in he past have started a season strongly only to fade away? Blackpool, Hull?
Swansea?

Sorry but not interested in "luck" - you make your own luck and it could be said for the 5 points picked up after the defeat too. Nonsense reasoning and can never be used for a basis to a sound debate.

Many teams have form changes, not denying that. but there are usually things you can point to.

Are you suggesting that it was just purely coincidental that the heavy derby defeat which saw your form take a complete nosedive by 40% productivity was just sheer happenstance? Sorry but that is just far fetched hope rather than reality.

Oles first 5 games inc the derby - 3 points in 5 games - 0.6 points per game

The next 8 games - 5 points taken - 0.625 points per game.

Where's the nosedive?

The derby was the effect so you cant count the games after it and leave out the derby.

3 points from 4 before it - 0.75 points

5 points from 9 from then onwards (and defeat at home to Wigan) - 0.55 points.

Hang on it was 0.4 before now it's 0.55

You can count an after effect after the event. The clue is in the "after" bit. The event was the derby, therefore the before and after are 0.6 v 0.625.
Your theory totally disproved by your own logic

Cup games are one offs. They beat Man city don't forget, it happens.

I don't think anyone can seriously say that this game had any significant effect on the rest of the season. If that was the case then we should have started climbing the table after beating you. Despite the hype and rivalry we took 3 points off you and you took 3 points off us, Full stop. If it feeds some Swansea fans ego to think that they played any significant part in our downfall, then leave them to it. Swansea ain't completely out of the woods yet and if they do survive then they are going to struggle next season imo

It wasnt the defeat as such it was the manner of the defeat and the obvious effect it had on your players and fans alike.

Your games after the derby have been far easier than that of the fixtures before it yet you have nose dived.

0.85 points per game before.

0.75 points per game under Ole before.

0.4 points per game since.

? We have has Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton, spurs and man city after your lot your mad. I would worry you are 2 games and a draw above us see you next year

We got Hull and Palace fans coming on here too saying how they crushed us and smashed the confidence of our players and our fans...... oh no it's just sad bitter obsessed cunts like you, so f**k off

As i said before, that 0.75 was very lucky and could have easily been 0.25 were it not for amazing saves and the woodwork. Very misleading to use a sample of only 4 games to try and make comparisons, but then it's something you do a lot.

It certainly doesn't prove anything about the so called effect of a derby defeat.

How many teams in he past have started a season strongly only to fade away? Blackpool, Hull?
Swansea?

Sorry but not interested in "luck" - you make your own luck and it could be said for the 5 points picked up after the defeat too. Nonsense reasoning and can never be used for a basis to a sound debate.

Many teams have form changes, not denying that. but there are usually things you can point to.

Are you suggesting that it was just purely coincidental that the heavy derby defeat which saw your form take a complete nosedive by 40% productivity was just sheer happenstance? Sorry but that is just far fetched hope rather than reality.

Oles first 5 games inc the derby - 3 points in 5 games - 0.6 points per game

The next 8 games - 5 points taken - 0.625 points per game.

Where's the nosedive?

The derby was the effect so you cant count the games after it and leave out the derby.

3 points from 4 before it - 0.75 points

5 points from 9 from then onwards (and defeat at home to Wigan) - 0.55 points.

Hang on it was 0.4 before now it's 0.55

You can count an after effect after the event. The clue is in the "after" bit. The event was the derby, therefore the before and after are 0.6 v 0.625.
Your theory totally disproved by your own logic

Cup games are one offs. They beat Man city don't forget, it happens.

Thought you had 4 points since not 5 - hang me. The point remains.

It isn't an after affect but the effect of the derby, to discount the derby is ridiculous considering it is the thing we are discussing, that result was the start of the demise - hence why we count it.

It was 0.75 before and 0.55 from then on. That is a fact.

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We got Hull and Palace fans coming on here too saying how they crushed us and smashed the confidence of our players and our fans...... oh no it's just sad bitter obsessed cunts like you, so f**k off

And they would also be correct. Although the drop in form certainly seems to have been started by the derby defeat - hence the "first nail" in the title.

As i said before, that 0.75 was very lucky and could have easily been 0.25 were it not for amazing saves and the woodwork. Very misleading to use a sample of only 4 games to try and make comparisons, but then it's something you do a lot.

It certainly doesn't prove anything about the so called effect of a derby defeat.

How many teams in he past have started a season strongly only to fade away? Blackpool, Hull?
Swansea?

Sorry but not interested in "luck" - you make your own luck and it could be said for the 5 points picked up after the defeat too. Nonsense reasoning and can never be used for a basis to a sound debate.

Many teams have form changes, not denying that. but there are usually things you can point to.

Are you suggesting that it was just purely coincidental that the heavy derby defeat which saw your form take a complete nosedive by 40% productivity was just sheer happenstance? Sorry but that is just far fetched hope rather than reality.

Oles first 5 games inc the derby - 3 points in 5 games - 0.6 points per game

The next 8 games - 5 points taken - 0.625 points per game.

Where's the nosedive?

The derby was the effect so you cant count the games after it and leave out the derby.

3 points from 4 before it - 0.75 points

5 points from 9 from then onwards (and defeat at home to Wigan) - 0.55 points.

Hang on it was 0.4 before now it's 0.55

You can count an after effect after the event. The clue is in the "after" bit. The event was the derby, therefore the before and after are 0.6 v 0.625.
Your theory totally disproved by your own logic

Cup games are one offs. They beat Man city don't forget, it happens.

Thought you had 4 points since not 5 - hang me. The point remains.

It isn't an after affect but the effect of the derby, to discount the derby is ridiculous considering it is the thing we are discussing, that result was the start of the demise - hence why we count it.

It was 0.75 before and 0.55 from then on. That is a fact.

I'm not discounting it, I'm including it. But you can't include it as the after effect when, well, it wasn't after. It's part of oles results until the after effect

Just shows how easy it is to manipulate figures to suit your agenda, my advise to you is to make sure you get your maths right first

The point remains - the derby game has not caused our relegation. Even your stats agree.

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I havent manipulated anything, you have tried to though

The derby defeat cause your form to nose dive you got crushed 3-0 and have won 5 points since. To leave that out is lunacy.

But well done for trying i guess

Never said it caused it, i said it majorly contributed. Which my stats also show.

I havent manipulated anything, you have tried to though

The derby defeat cause your form to nose dive you got crushed 3-0 and have won 5 points since. To leave that out is lunacy.

But well done for trying i guess

Never said it caused it, i said it majorly contributed. Which my stats also show.

The nose dive was because back to back games with the likes of Chelsea,Liverpool,man city, man united, spurs, Everton and nothing to do with losing to you when we go down i hope you will f**k off

Cardiff are going down because
A. Nutcase in charge
B. Manager out of his depth
C. Shit team
D. Money wasted
E. Shit transfers
F. Shit support
G. Lost identity
H. No bottle on or off the field
I . Fans at each others throats

Well thats my take on it anyway

Cardiff are going down because
A. Nutcase in charge
B. Manager out of his depth
C. Shit team
D. Money wasted
E. Shit transfers
F. Shit support
G. Lost identity
H. No bottle on or off the field
I . Fans at each others throats

Well thats my take on it anyway

Apart from that though we're in good shape

Never thought I'd say it but I do actually feel sorry for the long serving fans of Cardiff , what is happening at your club is ridiculous , maybe a blessing in disguise though if you can get rid of tan and the red even if it fecks you up for a few seasons

I havent manipulated anything, you have tried to though

The derby defeat cause your form to nose dive you got crushed 3-0 and have won 5 points since. To leave that out is lunacy.

But well done for trying i guess

Never said it caused it, i said it majorly contributed. Which my stats also show.

Err, I think I've shown your numbers are rubbish, like your theory.
40% productivity, 0.4 pts per game - all proved nonsense.

Then you conveniently include the derby in your manipulation despite this being about the effect the derby had on the following results. Therefore the right thing is to include it as part of the results before the villa game (which we drew by the way so where was the crushed morale that day?). But oh wait, that totally disproves your nonsense
Nice try, denied.

Cardiff are going down because
A. Nutcase in charge
B. Manager out of his depth
C. Shit team
D. Money wasted
E. Shit transfers
F. Shit support
G. Lost identity
H. No bottle on or off the field
I . Fans at each others throats

Well thats my take on it anyway

If teams got relegated cos of shit support, Swansea would the first club down.

I havent manipulated anything, you have tried to though

The derby defeat cause your form to nose dive you got crushed 3-0 and have won 5 points since. To leave that out is lunacy.

But well done for trying i guess

Never said it caused it, i said it majorly contributed. Which my stats also show.

We've nosedived since Malky was sacked. Nothing to do with losing to you.

Cardiff are going down because
A. Nutcase in charge
B. Manager out of his depth
C. Shit team
D. Money wasted
E. Shit transfers
F. Shit support
G. Lost identity
H. No bottle on or off the field
I . Fans at each others throats

Well thats my take on it anyway

If teams got relegated cos of shit support, Swansea would the first club down.

What do you base that statement on ?

Never thought I'd say it but I do actually feel sorry for the long serving fans of Cardiff , what is happening at your club is ridiculous , maybe a blessing in disguise though if you can get rid of tan and the red even if it fecks you up for a few seasons

This is what I think it will take relegation or two to get rid of the mad man and hopefully our identity returned. I would like a more perfect scenario but would take it if it was on the table now.

High and horse we know the rest? watch the c**t fall off

Cardiff are going down because
A. Nutcase in charge
B. Manager out of his depth
C. Shit team
D. Money wasted
E. Shit transfers
F. Shit support
G. Lost identity
H. No bottle on or off the field
I . Fans at each others throats

Well thats my take on it anyway

If teams got relegated cos of shit support, Swansea would the first club down.

What do you base that statement on ?

You are the poorest supported team in the prem.

Cardiff are going down because
A. Nutcase in charge
B. Manager out of his depth
C. Shit team
D. Money wasted
E. Shit transfers
F. Shit support
G. Lost identity
H. No bottle on or off the field
I . Fans at each others throats

Well thats my take on it anyway

If teams got relegated cos of shit support, Swansea would the first club down.

What do you base that statement on ?

You are the poorest supported team in the prem.

I know what you said you fool I asked what you were basing it on

Cardiff are going down because
A. Nutcase in charge
B. Manager out of his depth
C. Shit team
D. Money wasted
E. Shit transfers
F. Shit support
G. Lost identity
H. No bottle on or off the field
I . Fans at each others throats

Well thats my take on it anyway

You should have stopped at A. It all started there. Any business in turmoil at board level will fail. We are going down because of one man. The sooner he goes the better. If it means us ending up in 4th division (wonder how many new fans will know what this means) then so be it.

Cardiff are going down because
A. Nutcase in charge
B. Manager out of his depth
C. Shit team
D. Money wasted
E. Shit transfers
F. Shit support
G. Lost identity
H. No bottle on or off the field
I . Fans at each others throats

Well thats my take on it anyway

You should have stopped at A. It all started there. Any business in turmoil at board level will fail. We are going down because of one man. The sooner he goes the better. If it means us ending up in 4th division (wonder how many new fans will know what this means) then so be it.

8k crowd in that stadium of proper fans and you'd still have a better atmosphere than you're getting now , it would be a blessing in disguise , start from scratch

Cardiff are going down because
A. Nutcase in charge
B. Manager out of his depth
C. Shit team
D. Money wasted
E. Shit transfers
F. Shit support
G. Lost identity
H. No bottle on or off the field
I . Fans at each others throats

Well thats my take on it anyway

You should have stopped at A. It all started there. Any business in turmoil at board level will fail. We are going down because of one man. The sooner he goes the better. If it means us ending up in 4th division (wonder how many new fans will know what this means) then so be it.

8k crowd in that stadium of proper fans and you'd still have a better atmosphere than you're getting now , it would be a blessing in disguise , start from scratch

You are 100% correct. Start from scratch and we' ll end up stronger than ever.