Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:00 am
Green Arrow wrote:NorgBlue wrote:
It makes no difference whos academy he came from. Blackpool will be entitled compensation due to his age for development.
Depending on when the perma signing takes place (still some time to run on contract) it will either be the remaining agreed fee, minus what has already been paid - or the cost of the compensation in which the loan fee will be considered.
No they won't. Blackpool owe Liverpool a percentage of any sell on fee. If Ince goes to you then Blackpool owe Liverpool money. Ince is holding out to rejoin Liverpool for nothing and pick up a tidy signing on fee for the privilege. Liverpool have a 50% sell on clause on Ince which is well known.
we wouldn't owe Liverpool anything. Blackpool would owe Liverpool it, although im not sure it counts a compensation package as it isnt a transfer fee but compensatory pay as there isnt a fee involved.
Please tell me why he'd join you for say £4m (Blackpool get £2m, Liverpool get £2m) and he gets a standard wage packet and not Liverpool for a large signing on fee and better wage packet at a better club where he can boost his England prospects?
being on the bench would improve his england prospects? Ask Jonjo Shelvey why he left Liverpool to come here. Im not convinced Liverpool want him. If they did they would almost certainly have bid for him now to take advantage of the sell on fee. Im pretty sure they arent entitled to any of the compensation package as its not a selling fee.
Hes signing for you on loan like Zaha is for us and then in the summer he's off to a bigger club for free. The bigger clubs are waiting on him to be free in the summer to pounce. You think he's going to choose you over them? Put the crack pipe away.
it is my belief that he already has. Im pretty confident he has signed a pre commitment contract.
Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:03 am
Valleybluebird wrote:Is it just me or am I missing something. He's out of contract end of the season and instead of getting a small fee they are loaning him out?
Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:04 am
Green Arrow wrote:Valleybluebird wrote:Is it just me or am I missing something. He's out of contract end of the season and instead of getting a small fee they are loaning him out?
Its a loan because Ince don't want to go to Swansea perm and Liverpool don't want to pay a fee. This way Ince gets a short term deal and can walk back to Liverpool in the summer and Blackpool get some money from the loan fee. If Ince wanted to stay at Swansea long term he would sign on a permanent this window but he doesn't because he knows bigger clubs in the summer like Liverpool, Everton and Spurs will snap him up for free, especially if he impresses on his loan at Swansea.
Swans fans are delusional if they think this is a try before you buy for them. This is Blackpool getting some money and Ince getting some Prem football before saying ciao in the summer to move to a bigger club. Its a loan because he doesn't want to commit to playing for you.
Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:08 am
NorgBlue wrote:
we wouldn't owe Liverpool anything. Blackpool would owe Liverpool it, although im not sure it counts a compensation package as it isnt a transfer fee but compensatory pay as there isnt a fee involved.
being on the bench would improve his england prospects? Ask Jonjo Shelvey why he left Liverpool to come here. Im not convinced Liverpool want him. If they did they would almost certainly have bid for him now to take advantage of the sell on fee. Im pretty sure they arent entitled to any of the compensation package as its not a selling fee.
Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:10 am
Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:20 am
NorgBlue wrote:
Liverpool will have to pay a fee though![]()
They arent exempt from compensation. If they wanted him then it would probably be cheaper to get him now as they could use their sell on transfer fee clause to their benefit which they will lose i think if it is a compensation package.
A compensation package set by a tribunal doesnt constitute a transfer fee but a reimbursement of the cost of development.
Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:22 am
NorgBlue wrote:You arent making sense James.
Liverpool are not exempt from paying compensation. If they wanted him they would get him now and take advantage of their "50% off voucher".
Think about it.
Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:23 am
Green Arrow wrote:NorgBlue wrote:
Liverpool will have to pay a fee thoughLiverpool sold him so are not entitled to development fees.
They arent exempt from compensation. If they wanted him then it would probably be cheaper to get him now as they could use their sell on transfer fee clause to their benefit which they will lose i think if it is a compensation package.
A compensation package set by a tribunal doesnt constitute a transfer fee but a reimbursement of the cost of development.
So Liverpool are going to be reimbursed for their own cost of developing Ince?![]()
10/10 Roathie.
Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:24 am
Green Arrow wrote:NorgBlue wrote:You arent making sense James.
Liverpool are not exempt from paying compensation. If they wanted him they would get him now and take advantage of their "50% off voucher".
Think about it.
Liverpool developed Ince. Look at his youth and development history. A fee is paid on his youth development. THAT WAS AT LIVERPOOL FFS. He signed for Blackpool as a senior pro. They did not develop him in the eyes of grassroots football. Liverpool did.
So a tribunal is going to ask Liverpool to reimburse Liverpool for the costs of Ince's development? Okay Roathie.
It makes no sense why Blackpool would want to do this unless noone else came in for him.
Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:26 am
CjBluebird17 wrote:Green Arrow wrote:NorgBlue wrote:You arent making sense James.
Liverpool are not exempt from paying compensation. If they wanted him they would get him now and take advantage of their "50% off voucher".
Think about it.
Liverpool developed Ince. Look at his youth and development history. A fee is paid on his youth development. THAT WAS AT LIVERPOOL FFS. He signed for Blackpool as a senior pro. They did not develop him in the eyes of grassroots football. Liverpool did.
So a tribunal is going to ask Liverpool to reimburse Liverpool for the costs of Ince's development? Okay Roathie.
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It makes no sense why Blackpool would want to do this unless noone else came in for him.
Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:28 am
NorgBlue wrote:Green Arrow wrote:NorgBlue wrote:
Liverpool will have to pay a fee though![]()
They arent exempt from compensation. If they wanted him then it would probably be cheaper to get him now as they could use their sell on transfer fee clause to their benefit which they will lose i think if it is a compensation package.
A compensation package set by a tribunal doesnt constitute a transfer fee but a reimbursement of the cost of development.
So Liverpool are going to be reimbursed for their own cost of developing Ince?![]()
10/10 Roathie.
Blackpool own his registration James, not Liverpool.
He is under 23 so to get him on a Bosman free you must pay a compensation amount deemed by a tribunal.
Liverpool have a 50% sell on fee, so if they wanted to buy him they would do it now and cash in on it. As far as I can see they wont be intitled to anything of the compensation deal as it isnt classed as a transfer fee.
Not sure how simpler to put that.
Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:32 am
Green Arrow wrote:NorgBlue wrote:Green Arrow wrote:NorgBlue wrote:
Liverpool will have to pay a fee though![]()
They arent exempt from compensation. If they wanted him then it would probably be cheaper to get him now as they could use their sell on transfer fee clause to their benefit which they will lose i think if it is a compensation package.
A compensation package set by a tribunal doesnt constitute a transfer fee but a reimbursement of the cost of development.
So Liverpool are going to be reimbursed for their own cost of developing Ince?![]()
10/10 Roathie.
Blackpool own his registration James, not Liverpool.
He is under 23 so to get him on a Bosman free you must pay a compensation amount deemed by a tribunal.
Liverpool have a 50% sell on fee, so if they wanted to buy him they would do it now and cash in on it. As far as I can see they wont be intitled to anything of the compensation deal as it isnt classed as a transfer fee.
Not sure how simpler to put that.
AND I QUOTE '
The amount is calculated on the cost of training a player, adjusted by the ratio of trainees needed to produce one professional player.
Various conditions ensure that compensation is "proportionate", and distributed equally when several clubs have contributed to training a player.'
Therefore LIVERPOOL WILL PAY LESS COMPENSATION THAN YOU. MUCH LESS IN FACT AS THEY WILL HAVE BEEN FACTORED IN PROPORTIONATELY IN TRAINING THE PLAYER.
So if you sign him you will pay more because you will owe Liverpool and Blackpool money for the development of the player. If Liverpool sign him on a free they will owe just Blackpool money. WHY WOULD THEY REIMBURSE THEMSELVES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A PLAYER THEY DEVELOPED?
Its not rocket science. You will pay more in compensation than Liverpool will have to do so.
Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:42 am
NorgBlue wrote:You said several times liverpool wouldnt have to pay a penny. Hence the debate![]()
If Liverpool wanted him they would get him now. If they get him on a bosman not only would they have to pay compensation but they would lose their 50% sell on fee clause but would have to naturally pay Ince more in wages and signing on fee.
Your opinion makes no sense.
Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:50 am
Green Arrow wrote:NorgBlue wrote:You said several times liverpool wouldnt have to pay a penny. Hence the debate![]()
Find me a direct quote where I said that. I said they won't have to pay A FEE. A FEE is not a COMPENSATION PAYMENT.
They will pay less compensation than you as they helped develop the player too and won't reimburse themselves.If Liverpool wanted him they would get him now. If they get him on a bosman not only would they have to pay compensation but they would lose their 50% sell on fee clause but would have to naturally pay Ince more in wages and signing on fee.
Your opinion makes no sense.
If they buy him for £4m now they essentially get him for £2m. Why would they do that when they can pick him up in the summer and just PAY A SMALL AMOUNT OF COMPENSATION? NOT A FEE, COMPENSATION.
small amount?Id be very surprised if the compensation isnt £4m on its own. It is widely known to be heffty.
I think you dont understand tribunals.
The compensation is not going to be over £2m when they've already helped develop the player. Blackpool loan him to you now for £1m and then get the compensation payment in the summer and probably still get around £2.5m as the compensation probably be around £1.5m given that 16 year old compensation is often around £750,000 fixed rate and Liverpool helped develop Ince.
it will definately be over £2m of that I can categorically guarantee you. It is based on many factors not just age, hence why we got a heffty fee for Emyr Huws.
Your argument is stupid. You think Liverpool are going to bid for a player now when they can get him for less than £2m IN COMPENSATION in the summer and just pay COMPENSATION.
my argument is perfect sense as usual, no matter how many smileys you put on your retorts. There is no way the compensation would be just £2m and as I have already told you, not only that but wages and signing on fees for a bosman free at proportionately higher than regular transfers.
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Liverpool got Blackpool by the balls tbh and you don't even realise it. Blackpool can make more money loaning him to you then getting compensation than they can get from selling to Liverpool now. Liverpool aint going to pay £5m which would see Blackpool get £2.5m which they could get from a loan deal with you and compo in the summer.
Liverpool have nothing to do with it. Sources say (the same poster who said he is coming to us) he has signed a pre commitment contract which I have told you many times. And is the sort of deal right up Huw Jenkins' street who lets not forget WERE THE ONES WHO MADE THE OFFER to be a loan and not an immediate transfer.
You must be the worst mathematician going. I hope you've got a good accountant over there in Australia with you.
you can troll as much as you like James but you wont get a rise from me. You are wrong and you know it.
*** £50 to charity come seasons end. If he ends up at Liverpool i pay £50 to a charity of your choice, if he ends up with us you pay £50 to a charity of mine. Lets see if you genuinely believe this stupid theory or are just trolling.
Agree?
Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:51 am
Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:55 am
Green Arrow wrote:Blackpool's options
Option 1
Loan to Swansea until summer = £1m
Get compensation from Liverpool in summer £1.5m
£2.5m earned
Option 2
Sell to Liverpool now for £4m
They get 50% as Liverpool are due 50%
£2m earned
Option 3
Loan to Swansea for £1m
Swansea decide to buy and conclude the deal for £3m on top of the initial £1m
Total cost is £4m.
Blackpool owe Liverpool 50%
£2m earned for Blackpool
Plus Ince could still decide to not sign on personal terms and just leave and join Liverpool anyway.
They will make more money by loaning then getting compensation than they will selling in this window. Nobody is going to pay £5m+ for Ince now knowing that he's a free agent they can throw money at in the summer. Get a grip.![]()
Yet Roathie thinks they will sell now to Liverpool when they can get more by loaning him.![]()
you have made ALL those figures up you clown, how can you say what the tibunal will set the fee at? Common sense alone says it will be way higher than you suggest.
Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:55 am
NorgBlue wrote:small amount?Id be very surprised if the compensation isnt £4m on its own. It is widely known to be heffty.
I think you dont understand tribunals.
Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:58 am
Green Arrow wrote:NorgBlue wrote:small amount?Id be very surprised if the compensation isnt £4m on its own. It is widely known to be heffty.
I think you dont understand tribunals.
Liverpool's compensation will be less than yours as you have to pay both Liverpool and Blackpool for his development. Liverpool will just pay Blackpool for their part in his development. The compensation will be less for them thats why they will wait. Why pay more now when they can pay less in the summer? You said the compo may be £4m in total well then it might not be either. If thats £2m (£4m split between 2 parties) they have to pay to Blackpool then for their part in the development of Ince then thats £2m. To get Ince for £2m now they'd have to spend £4m straight up. Yet they can wait and fight it in tribunal and try and get him for much cheaper on a compensation payment.
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Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:02 am
NorgBlue wrote:you have made ALL those figures up you clown, how can you say what the tibunal will set the fee at? Common sense alone says it will be way higher than you suggest.
Again. I ask you to back your opinion. £50 of your money says he will be a liverpool player next season and £50 of mine says he will be a Swansea ayer.
Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:04 am
Green Arrow wrote:
Im a student. I ain't got £50 to bet with. Id bet you a pint but you're too much of a pansy to reveal your identity online.
Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:05 am
Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:07 am
Green Arrow wrote:Ince's compensation will be around £2.5-3m at the most. Liverpool will pay around half to two thirds of that to Blackpool so they will pay around £1.25m - £2m for him. Both Blackpool and Liverpool are waiting it out for the tribunal hence loaning him to you in the mean time is of benefit to both of them yet you cant see it.
Enjoy all the drama in the summer Roathie when it all happens. I sure will.![]()
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Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:08 am
NorgBlue wrote:Green Arrow wrote:Im a student. I ain't got £50 to bet with. Id bet you a pint but you're too much of a pansy to reveal your identity online.
What do you need £50 for? Your opinion is obviously the case isnt it and im deluded and ridiculous to think otherwise...
Or are you changing it now like you changed "liverpool dont have to pay a penny". If you werent trolling and genuinely thought that then whether you have £50 or not is irrelevant. Want to make it £10?
Your comparisons to 16 year olds is about as relevant as your opinion in general
Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:10 am
NorgBlue wrote:Again, you are making stuff up![]()
You have no idea how much Liverpool will get. It is my belief they wont get much at all as they decided to sell him and already received a fee. Blackpool will get the majority of it.
As I said, if my opinion was so deluded and ridiculous then ive offered you a perfect opportunity to prove you arent trolling and have refused.
Says it all.
Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:12 am
Green Arrow wrote:NorgBlue wrote:Green Arrow wrote:Im a student. I ain't got £50 to bet with. Id bet you a pint but you're too much of a pansy to reveal your identity online.
What do you need £50 for? Your opinion is obviously the case isnt it and im deluded and ridiculous to think otherwise...
To live. Some of us aint born with a silver spoon in our hands pal and living it up in Australia.
but surely you wont lose as its ridiculous and deluded to think otherwise is it not? Or have you changed your mind again!![]()
And i wasnt born with a silver spoon in my mouth pal, i worked for everything i got.
Or are you changing it now like you changed "liverpool dont have to pay a penny". If you werent trolling and genuinely thought that then whether you have £50 or not is irrelevant. Want to make it £10?
Your comparisons to 16 year olds is about as relevant as your opinion in general
Nah you're hilarious. You dont understand the payments are fixed rate and then it goes to a tribunal if the club that receives the payment is not happy. You think the tribunal decides on the day when it doesn't. Its a fixed rate on the EPPP system.
they are not fixed rate. They are fixed minimum rates, it is fair to say Ince will not be minimum tribunal feeyou are talking absolute tosh..
Liverpool will take it to tribunal and pay around £1.25m to £2m maximum for Ince in the summer. Blackpool will receive that on top of the loan fee they receive from you.
Bookmark this.
bookmarked it long ago James, trust me![]()
Shame you arent willing to back up this obvious opinion of yours. I think i proved my point![]()
Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:16 am
Green Arrow wrote:NorgBlue wrote:Again, you are making stuff up![]()
You have no idea how much Liverpool will get. It is my belief they wont get much at all as they decided to sell him and already received a fee. Blackpool will get the majority of it.
As I said, if my opinion was so deluded and ridiculous then ive offered you a perfect opportunity to prove you arent trolling and have refused.
Says it all.
Because a student won't take a £50 bet of an anonymous user online? You're a crackpot honestly Roathie mate. You've been out in the sun too long playing with the Koala's. THE TRIBUNAL DOES NOT SET THE ORIGINAL FEE. Thats set by the EPPP and then if Blackpool want more they take it to a tribunal and have to argue why they deserve more. Liverpool will get to counter that claim.
absolutely. If it is such a ridiculous opinion to think otherwise then your money isnt at risk is it?![]()
I will also bet that if it goes to compo they will recieve more than £2m.
How does another £50 sound.... Oh wait dont tell me, you arent as confident anymore![]()
They're both happy for it to go to a tribunal to get their pay day unless of course your club is stupid enough to pay £5m+ for Ince with only a few months on his contract.
absolute twaddle. This loan deal has only been given the green light after Blackpool chairman was furious that Ince had held talks with Monaco in which they would receive next to nothing... Which of course indicated a pre commitment contract being signed diesnt it![]()
Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:18 am
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Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:20 am
NorgBlue wrote:small amount?Id be very surprised if the compensation isnt £4m on its own. It is widely known to be heffty.
I think you dont understand tribunals.
Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:21 am
NorgBlue wrote:Before you went on a google binge you were stating Liverpool wouldn't have to pay a penny and now its millions
As i said put your money where your mouth is, you cant possibly lose can you?