BELLAMY last off the training pitch again

If I may offer my own humble opinion about definitions, rather than an arrogant narcissistic opinion.
The definition of a professional sportsman or woman is one who receives payment for their sporting prowess.
However, we all know that within team sports, some players receive greater remuneration than others due to their skill levels and the contributions they make to the success of the team.
I would say that a professional sportsmen who because of their dedication to developing their skills and maintains high levels of fitness make contributions to their teams that mean their remuneration is value for money with regard to the team's success is a top professional.
Other professionals who make this significant contribution over a long period of time and on no occasion bring themselves or their employers into disrepute with regard to their behaviour would be classed as model professionals.
Interesting how we would classify Scholes and Giggs? Or even that magnificent talent Zidane?
Zidane, top or model professional? Very churlish if you decide he is neither, but just my opinion.

anyone spot the extreme irony?

He nearly made a post without a reference to his hero then, nearly

You are most certainly not my hero! You posted on this thread to sneer and make negative remarks about a player who has been one of he best footballers ever produced by the city of Cardiff and the Principality of Wales.
I suggested that it was possible to differentiate between the two adjectives applied to the word professional. You have previously suggested they are the same.
Roy Keane not a top professional?
Jimmy Greaves not a top professional?
Paul Gascoigne not a top professional?
Paul Merson not a top professional?
Paul McGrath not a top professional?
I wonder if professionals share your opinion?

I don't remember even using your name in that post William, sorry Castro.

A hard working man who loves the club and gives his best every time you say?

Tan will probably sack him.

You are most certainly not my hero! You posted on this thread to sneer and make negative remarks about a player who has been one of he best footballers ever produced by the city of Cardiff and the Principality of Wales.
I suggested that it was possible to differentiate between the two adjectives applied to the word professional. You have previously suggested they are the same.
Roy Keane not a top professional?
Jimmy Greaves not a top professional?
Paul Gascoigne not a top professional?
Paul Merson not a top professional?
Paul McGrath not a top professional?
I wonder if professionals share your opinion?

Well you don't half talk about me often, and even when you have an actual opinion you still find time to snarl and sneer at me, funny that. Maybe im your "true" poster then?

You have confused "top" and "true" there haven't you, read it again.

Have another go Martyn.

So top professionals can't be true professionals?
Simple question for you, is Bellamy a top professional? A model professional? Or neither?
I await your answer with trepidation William.

You posted the story as a fact and previous misdemeanours don't make this one true!

Where?

Is this the true pro that refused to play for Malky because he wasnt named on the bench

So where was this statement of fact? I just see a question

I see just a rhetorical question - i.e. not a 'question' at all!

Is this the true pro that refused to play for Malky because he wasnt named on the bench

I'd be more worried about the rumours from down west, if i was a inbred fuckwhit that is

I see just a rhetorical question - i.e. not a 'question' at all!

Rhetorical questions are deduced by the party asking, not by someone reading. You have absolutely no idea whether I required an answer or not.

Is this the true pro that refused to play for Malky because he wasnt named on the bench

I'd be more worried about the rumours from down west, if i was a inbred fuckwhit that is

Well then you have answered your own quandary as to why im not then

Rhetorical questions are a persuasive device, intended entirely for the person listening or reading.
You really are not that clever!

Rhetorical questions are a persuasive device, intended entirely for the person listening or reading.
You really are not that clever!

So you agree with me then Martyn

If it is a persuasive device then surely only the persuader can truly determine the intentions of the question

Is this the true pro that refused to play for Malky because he wasnt named on the bench

I'd be more worried about the rumours from down west, if i was a inbred fuckwhit that is

Well then you have answered your own quandary as to why im not then

Why would my statement be aimed at you ?

Read what you replied to Jon! I never agree with people who are wrong.

Read what you replied to Jon! I never agree with people who are wrong.

Yep read it. If you don't agree with me then you just disagreed with what you posted yourself meaning you are calling yourself wrong

A rhetorical question can only be determined as rhetorical by the composer of the question not the receiver, as only the constructor of the question knows the context.

Come on now. If you are going to talk dribble based on your obsession of all things roathie is, does and says then at least be coherent Martyn.

So you're admitting it was a rhetorical question not a real question.

So you're admitting it was a rhetorical question not a real question.

Where? You seem confused.

You asked for an answer to a question that inferred that Bellamy had behaved in a particular manner without there being an any evidence to corroborate that statement William

You asked for an answer to a question that inferred that Bellamy had behaved in a particular manner without there being an any evidence to corroborate that statement William

I did indeed. Thats not a rhetoric question though is it Martyn? (That was by the way)

At worst it is a question based on an event that rumoured to have taken place. However its basis (context) relies on his past as a professional and not that sole incident.

Therefore you are either pedaling idle gossip or simply making things up , not like you. The original poster posted his direct observation of Bellamy's dedication to training. The question you asked did not contain the word "allegedly" therefore you stated Bellamy's behaviour as an historically accurate fact! If your description of his behaviour idol take lace as you are obviously inferring, then the only answer the original poster could give was "yes" as we do not have twoo Craig Bellamy's playing for Cardiff City or training with the squad.
Therefore, logically you already knew the only answer he could give, ergo it was a rhetorical question!
Still not answered my simple question I see!
If a true professional is the same as a model professional, can Bellamy be a top professional, as his playing career suggests but not a true professional?
I await your well considered response.

Therefore you are either pedaling idle gossip or simply making things up , not like you. The original poster posted his direct observation of Bellamy's dedication to training. The question you asked did not contain the word "allegedly" therefore you stated Bellamy's behaviour as an historically accurate fact! If your description of his behaviour did take place as you are obviously inferring, then the only answer the original poster could give was "yes" as we do not have two Craig Bellamy's playing for Cardiff City or training with the squad.
Therefore, logically you already knew the only answer he could give, ergo it was a rhetorical question!
Still not answered my simple question I see!
If a true professional is the same as a model professional, can Bellamy be a top professional, as his playing career suggests but not a true professional?
I await your well considered response.

Therefore you are either pedaling idle gossip or simply making things up , not like you.

it is not gossip that he is a poor example of a pro - you read his book Martyn?

The original poster posted his direct observation of Bellamy's dedication to training. The question you asked did not contain the word "allegedly" therefore you stated Bellamy's behaviour as an historically accurate fact!

does that mean anything in which you dont use the term "allegedly" is also a fact then Martyn? Think carefully before you answer as I have your post history here which is full of nonsense, full off assumptions none of which have contained that term?

If your description of his behaviour idol take lace as you are obviously inferring, then the only answer the original poster could give was "yes" as we do not have twoo Craig Bellamy's playing for Cardiff City or training with the squad.

no its not, he could give the answer he gave which was "i dont think he did it" this isnt difficult Martyn, your Roathie obsession is leading you to talk dribble again

Therefore, logically you already knew the only answer he could give, ergo it was a rhetorical question!

incorrect. And you didnt use the word allegedly there yet you cannot prove it to be fact as you are not me. Would you like help with that knot you just tied yourself in?

Still not answered my simple question I see!

i thought it was rhetorical considering you changed the meaning of the word, make up your mind Martyn.

If a true professional is the same as a model professional, can Bellamy be a top professional, as his playing career suggests but not a true professional?

you have added a third term again "top professional". You are making things up as you go along. In terms of my definitions, Bellamy certainly cannot be described as a true professional, no.

I await your well considered response.

your wait is over Oh obsessed one

You asked a question of the original poster that was not intended to determine his knowledge, understanding or opinion. He quite clearly identified Bellamy as the player who had remained behind,after training to practise free kicks. So what was the purpose of your question?
Rhetorical indeed! William you must try to better!
You haven't answered my question at all, as I guessed you would not!
Is Bellamy a top professional?
Was Eric Cantona a top professional? Clearly not a true professional by your definition, I bet professional footballers would define him as a top professional due to his dedication to his trade and his influence on other squad players on the field and on the training ground. Similar to Bellamy,
William your dedication to trying to alway be correct is a worthy effort but your lack of guile is failing you.
Keep twisting, turning and bullshitting.

The example of his behaviour you referred to is certainly not proven! Therefore, you are by definition perpetuating gossip or making information up as you simply have no first or second hand evidence to corroborate your statement.
So which are you William, a man who title tattles or a man who makes things up?

The question who asked of the original poster did enquire if he had believed Bellamy had carried out the behaviour you inferred he had, read the question very carefully. Come on William keep up!

Finally, William because I am a busy man.
The original poster did not answer as you claim, you should read things more carefully.

The question did not enquire of the original poster if he believed Bellamy had carried out he behaviour you inferred he had.

You asked a question of the original poster that was not intended to determine his knowledge,

incorrect Martyn. We have already established that as the reader of my my question and not the composer there of you cannot tell me what my intention was or what I intended to get from said question.

understanding or opinion. He quite clearly identified Bellamy as the player who had remained behind,after training to practise free kicks. So what was the purpose of your question?

the purpose of my question was asking of he knew or thought the allegations regarding him were true and if he factored that into calling him a true pro - this is obvious to everyone who isnt blinded by obsession

Rhetorical indeed! William you must try to better!

not at all, not for the first time you are incorrect having an opinion based on presumption

You haven't answered my question at all, as I guessed you would not!

yes I have, i assume you just have failed to understand the concept again.

Is Bellamy a top professional?

top? Where has top come from? True professional was it not? You are continuing to make things up as you go along.

Was Eric Cantona a top professional? Clearly not a true professional by your definition, I bet professional footballers would define him as a top professional due to his dedication to his trade and his influence on other squad players on the field and on the training ground.

the only person who has mentioned top professional is you. I would not say Cantona was a true professional or indeed a model professional - they are the same thing and he had been distinctly unprofessional at times, just like your craig

Similar to Bellamy,
William your dedication to trying to alway be correct is a worthy effort but your lack of guile is failing you.
Keep twisting, turning and bullshitting.

there is no desire, just fact. I am right, not even up for debate - that as usual has hurt you to your core. So we are just left with you desperately trying to prove otherwise, and failing miserably as usual

As I said, well done for practising free kicks. Changes nothing however that he is a poor example of a professional who has brought the game, himself and his club into disrepute more than most.

Unlucky though Martyn you nearly contributed to a thread without mentioning me but now you have slipped into full obsession mode again. You are funny it must be said

The example of his behaviour you referred to is certainly not proven!

i refer to one of many indiscretions Martyn. If I kill one person I am a murderer regardless of how many others you can prove or disprove. Same here

Therefore, you are by definition perpetuating gossip or making information up as you simply have no first or second hand evidence to corroborate your statement.

that would be correct if I was stating it as fact, however we have just deduced that I asked a question rather than made a factual statement. However the underlying premise being correct however has he has proven to be a poor pro for most of his career irrespective of this which you wish to cling

So which are you William, a man who title tattles or a man who makes things up?

a man who as usual talks sense and makes the point that he is indeed not a good professional, mr obsessor

The question who asked of the original poster did enquire if he had believed Bellamy had carried out the behaviour you inferred he had, read the question very carefully. Come on William keep up!


again, you can not deduce that as you didnt compose the message. If you feel you cam read between the lines and claim it rhetorical then you must accept that things arent always as they are written - you are a walking contradiction Martyn.

However again you are stressing over a very small part of the thread - the overwhelming direction of it of course is that he is not a good professional based on his indiscretions, whether this particular one has been proven or not changes nothing much to your obvious annoyance .