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Nobody claiming victories here, just why you posted it as a fact, when nobody knows.. Certainly not you.

You're right though, I can't see how anyone can try and claim that we will make a profit. We are a financial mess.

Where are these figures from? Have you got a link? Or has Roathie?

just stuff on here, nothing offical.... is it really important to you barry? maybe it was 4m, maybe it was 6... not really significant

Is the correct answer.

Too many people on this forum intentionally ignore what is being said to focus on something irrelevant and then claim victory arms a loft.

£5m was the transfer fee bandied around. However my point doesnt rely on that now does it. Im asking how you arrive at a profit this term...

Still waiting for a sensible answer.

It's easy, you take more money in than spend in a 12 month period mate which we will do ,regardless of the debt overall ,man utd make a profit each year but are 400 million in debt

Nobody claiming victories here, just why you posted it as a fact, when nobody knows.. Certainly not you.

You're right though, I can't see how anyone can try and claim that we will make a profit. We are a financial mess.

Im not claiming it as a fact, this thread has nothing to do with the rice of Eikrem. I dont know exactly how much the expansion will cost either, im making guesstimates based on what has been reported, rumoured. You really need to get past this type of detail if discussions are to become fruitful - polo and martyn are majorly guilty of this.

My point is you are not going to make a profit, let alone a £30m one. To leave out the Norwegians fee would be far less worthy to the debate than if we took the generally accepted £5m.

Where are these figures from? Have you got a link? Or has Roathie?

just stuff on here, nothing offical.... is it really important to you barry? maybe it was 4m, maybe it was 6... not really significant

Is the correct answer.

Too many people on this forum intentionally ignore what is being said to focus on something irrelevant and then claim victory arms a loft.

£5m was the transfer fee bandied around. However my point doesnt rely on that now does it. Im asking how you arrive at a profit this term...

Still waiting for a sensible answer.

It's easy, you take more money in than spend in a 12 month period mate which we will do ,regardless of the debt overall ,man utd make a profit each year but are 400 million in debt

Ok great.

Now then, you have spent £100m+

Where is more than £100m income coming from?

Im not claiming it as a fact, this thread has nothing to do with the rice of Eikrem. I dont know exactly how much the expansion will cost either, im making guesstimates based on what has been reported, rumoured. You really need to get past this type of detail if discussions are to become fruitful - polo and martyn are majorly guilty of this.

My point is you are not going to make a profit, let alone a £30m one. To leave out the Norwegians fee would be far less worthy to the debate than if we took the generally accepted £5m.

If I see someone claim something as fact, when it isn't, I will always question it. Generally accepted? It's the first I've heard of it.

I've already said that I agree, no way in hell are we making any profit. As I said, financial mess. Those relying on debt to equity are being extremely naive. I was just ASKING where you got that figure from. don't be so defensive.

Im not claiming it as a fact, this thread has nothing to do with the rice of Eikrem. I dont know exactly how much the expansion will cost either, im making guesstimates based on what has been reported, rumoured. You really need to get past this type of detail if discussions are to become fruitful - polo and martyn are majorly guilty of this.

My point is you are not going to make a profit, let alone a £30m one. To leave out the Norwegians fee would be far less worthy to the debate than if we took the generally accepted £5m.

If I see someone claim something as fact, when it isn't, I will always question it. Generally accepted? It's the first I've heard of it.

I've already said that I agree, no way in hell are we making any profit. As I said, financial mess. Those relying on debt to equity are being extremely naive. I was just ASKING where you got that figure from. don't be so defensive.

Did I claim it as fact then? You can state something and not have it claimed as fact. Im of the belief it was £5m as thats the number reported on here. Simple. Far more beneficial to use that figure than leaving it out.

Im not being defensive at you asking me where the figure was got from, im being defensive at you saying I claimed it as fact.

Where are these figures from? Have you got a link? Or has Roathie?

just stuff on here, nothing offical.... is it really important to you barry? maybe it was 4m, maybe it was 6... not really significant

Is the correct answer.

Too many people on this forum intentionally ignore what is being said to focus on something irrelevant and then claim victory arms a loft.

£5m was the transfer fee bandied around. However my point doesnt rely on that now does it. Im asking how you arrive at a profit this term...

Still waiting for a sensible answer.

im not a business man, or even a very intellectual man (my misses likes to emphasis that point!) but my whole thinking behind the debt to equity is this.


If we owe.... say 100m to Tan, and he converts that to equity in the club (by issuing more shares i assume) he now owns more shares in the club, but each one at a significantly less value right?

This now makes us debt free (but still with the issue of leaking money each month with Wages bill being too high compared to our income, but more on that in a minute) So yeah, debt free, Tans extra shares mean he now owns what, about 90%? 95% of the club? the only way he can make his money back would be to sell right? either privately or, as seems likely via stock market where i imagine there is a certain percentage of shares he has to give up for sale?

So with the club now completely debt free, including all previous spending in the summer and January, Tan will personally be out of pocket to 100m+ he can maybe keep a controlling stake in the club while selling the majority of his shares.

Now we have an issue, because our wage bill wipes out (and im guesstimating here) about 60% maybe closer to 70% of our premiership windfall (this assuming we stay up of course) thats before bonuses to players, new signings in the summer which mean more on the wage bill, agent fees etc etc, you only have to look at everton, who appear to rake money in on transfer sales but still bleat about having no money to see that making it at this level is not easy.

At the very least though, i can see tan making the majority of his money back, and our debt going this way, from there we start with a (sort of) clean slate and go from there.

The problem is, from the Sam Hammam era, we have always paid inflated wages. Cornelius currently on 45k and bellamy was on 35k last year so more than that now i imagine. once you start paying players this money it becomes difficult to get out of it.

I dont know what Campbell is on for example, lets say 20k a week... how would he feel being our main contribution in terms of goals this season but earning half of what someone on the bench gets?

Thats the point though Paul.

Currently you owe him about £100m. Why would he spend all that on shares worth far less? It makes no sense.

Im sure he will ocnvert the required amount to make his ownership complete to 98% or whatever, but that wont cost £100m will it.

Thats the point though Paul.

Currently you owe him about £100m. Why would he spend all that on shares worth far less? It makes no sense.

Im sure he will ocnvert the required amount to make his ownership complete to 98% or whatever, but that wont cost £100m will it.

well i dont know is the simple answer to that, assuming our club stay in the premier league, with a 34/5k stadium, and assets on the pitch you yourself on another thread could tally up to around 40m i think selling the club could get him 100m yeah. but thats something Vinny will know and look into before doing debt to equity im sure

Where are these figures from? Have you got a link? Or has Roathie?

just stuff on here, nothing offical.... is it really important to you barry? maybe it was 4m, maybe it was 6... not really significant

Is the correct answer.

Too many people on this forum intentionally ignore what is being said to focus on something irrelevant and then claim victory arms a loft.

£5m was the transfer fee bandied around. However my point doesnt rely on that now does it. Im asking how you arrive at a profit this term...

Still waiting for a sensible answer.

It's easy, you take more money in than spend in a 12 month period mate which we will do ,regardless of the debt overall ,man utd make a profit each year but are 400 million in debt

Ok great.

Now then, you have spent £100m+

Where is more than £100m income coming from?

How have we spent 100 million hmmmm making things up again

Where are these figures from? Have you got a link? Or has Roathie?

just stuff on here, nothing offical.... is it really important to you barry? maybe it was 4m, maybe it was 6... not really significant

Is the correct answer.

Too many people on this forum intentionally ignore what is being said to focus on something irrelevant and then claim victory arms a loft.

£5m was the transfer fee bandied around. However my point doesnt rely on that now does it. Im asking how you arrive at a profit this term...

Still waiting for a sensible answer.

It's easy, you take more money in than spend in a 12 month period mate which we will do ,regardless of the debt overall ,man utd make a profit each year but are 400 million in debt

Ok great.

Now then, you have spent £100m+

Where is more than £100m income coming from?

How have we spent 100 million hmmmm making things up again

Been through this havent we?

£55m-£60m on transfers.
£40m on wages
£15m on expansion

Thats £120m there and there is probably more expenditure too.

You are not the best at mathematics are you?

You are not the best at mathematics are you?

Come and join the debate my friend. Instead of talking about me, channel yoir energies into telling me how im wrong that you will make a loss this year?

Lets keep these bollocks posts to a minimum though Martyn. Good lad

Where are these figures from? Have you got a link? Or has Roathie?

just stuff on here, nothing offical.... is it really important to you barry? maybe it was 4m, maybe it was 6... not really significant

Is the correct answer.

Too many people on this forum intentionally ignore what is being said to focus on something irrelevant and then claim victory arms a loft.

£5m was the transfer fee bandied around. However my point doesnt rely on that now does it. Im asking how you arrive at a profit this term...

Still waiting for a sensible answer.

It's easy, you take more money in than spend in a 12 month period mate which we will do ,regardless of the debt overall ,man utd make a profit each year but are 400 million in debt

Ok great.

Now then, you have spent £100m+

Where is more than £100m income coming from?

How have we spent 100 million hmmmm making things up again

Been through this havent we?

£55m-£60m on transfers.
£40m on wages
£15m on expansion

Thats £120m there and there is probably more expenditure too.

Your making figures up again 10 million on stadium and 30 million on players ,add ons have not been activated yet ,f*cking hell you really are a moron lol

Where are these figures from? Have you got a link? Or has Roathie?

just stuff on here, nothing offical.... is it really important to you barry? maybe it was 4m, maybe it was 6... not really significant

Is the correct answer.

Too many people on this forum intentionally ignore what is being said to focus on something irrelevant and then claim victory arms a loft.

£5m was the transfer fee bandied around. However my point doesnt rely on that now does it. Im asking how you arrive at a profit this term...

Still waiting for a sensible answer.

It's easy, you take more money in than spend in a 12 month period mate which we will do ,regardless of the debt overall ,man utd make a profit each year but are 400 million in debt

Ok great.

Now then, you have spent £100m+

Where is more than £100m income coming from?

How have we spent 100 million hmmmm making things up again

Been through this havent we?

£55m-£60m on transfers.
£40m on wages
£15m on expansion

Thats £120m there and there is probably more expenditure too.

Your making figures up again 10 million on stadium and 30 million on players ,add ons have not been activated yet ,f*cking hell you really are a moron lol

Well you just made up £30m didnt you? It was £35m up front. We dont know when triggers are activated. It ay be after 10 league apprearances. You have since spent another £5m on the Norgs which makes it £40m without add ons.

£40m + £40m + £10m = £90m without adding any costs such as administrative costs which were £8m in the last set of accounts...

So then, how are you going to turn a £30m profit? When sky money is £63m.

Where are these figures from? Have you got a link? Or has Roathie?

just stuff on here, nothing offical.... is it really important to you barry? maybe it was 4m, maybe it was 6... not really significant

Is the correct answer.

Too many people on this forum intentionally ignore what is being said to focus on something irrelevant and then claim victory arms a loft.

£5m was the transfer fee bandied around. However my point doesnt rely on that now does it. Im asking how you arrive at a profit this term...

Still waiting for a sensible answer.

It's easy, you take more money in than spend in a 12 month period mate which we will do ,regardless of the debt overall ,man utd make a profit each year but are 400 million in debt

Ok great.

Now then, you have spent £100m+

Where is more than £100m income coming from?

How have we spent 100 million hmmmm making things up again

Been through this havent we?

£55m-£60m on transfers.
£40m on wages
£15m on expansion

Thats £120m there and there is probably more expenditure too.

Your making figures up again 10 million on stadium and 30 million on players ,add ons have not been activated yet ,f*cking hell you really are a moron lol

Well you just made up £30m didnt you? It was £35m up front. We dont know when triggers are activated. It ay be after 10 league apprearances. You have since spent another £5m on the Norgs which makes it £40m without add ons.

£40m + £40m + £10m = £90m without adding any costs such as administrative costs which were £8m in the last set of accounts...

So then, how are you going to turn a £30m profit? When sky money is £63m.

Caught you out again roathy ,u really need to go back to school and get your gcse maths ,so now its 35 million not 60 million make your mind up lol

Where are these figures from? Have you got a link? Or has Roathie?

just stuff on here, nothing offical.... is it really important to you barry? maybe it was 4m, maybe it was 6... not really significant

Is the correct answer.

Too many people on this forum intentionally ignore what is being said to focus on something irrelevant and then claim victory arms a loft.

£5m was the transfer fee bandied around. However my point doesnt rely on that now does it. Im asking how you arrive at a profit this term...

Still waiting for a sensible answer.

It's easy, you take more money in than spend in a 12 month period mate which we will do ,regardless of the debt overall ,man utd make a profit each year but are 400 million in debt

Ok great.

Now then, you have spent £100m+

Where is more than £100m income coming from?

How have we spent 100 million hmmmm making things up again

Been through this havent we?

£55m-£60m on transfers.
£40m on wages
£15m on expansion

Thats £120m there and there is probably more expenditure too.

Your making figures up again 10 million on stadium and 30 million on players ,add ons have not been activated yet ,f*cking hell you really are a moron lol

Well you just made up £30m didnt you? It was £35m up front. We dont know when triggers are activated. It ay be after 10 league apprearances. You have since spent another £5m on the Norgs which makes it £40m without add ons.

£40m + £40m + £10m = £90m without adding any costs such as administrative costs which were £8m in the last set of accounts...

So then, how are you going to turn a £30m profit? When sky money is £63m.

Caught you out again roathy ,u really need to go back to school and get your gcse maths ,so now its 35 million not 60 million make your mind up lol

Does that mean I caught you out too because £35m isnt £30m?

£35m is what you spent pre season. £5m is what you spent in january.

There are add ons of £15-20m covering both spending sprees which makes £55m - £60m. Neither of us know when these are due.

So now then.... How are you going to make a £30m profit when spends are around the £100m mark at least?

All ears.

got to laugh all this is pure guess work, speculation and anything else that springs to mind? nodody knows with any degree of certainty what the figures are or will be even?

got to laugh all this is pure guess work, speculation and anything else that springs to mind? nodody knows with any degree of certainty what the figures are or will be even?

Roathy and all the jacks on here do lol

got to laugh all this is pure guess work, speculation and anything else that springs to mind? nodody knows with any degree of certainty what the figures are or will be even?

Roathy and all the jacks on here do lol

i know they actually believe they know more than tan does about what his plans are regardiing debt to equity? and how much debt and losses we will have

got to laugh all this is pure guess work, speculation and anything else that springs to mind? nodody knows with any degree of certainty what the figures are or will be even?

So you are expecting a profit then Al?

this is all a bit silly really.


from transfermarkt.com

Magnus Wolff Eikrem - £2.2m
mats Moller Daehli - undisc
Adreas Cornelius - £7.6m
John Brayford - 1.5m
Simon Moore - 154k
Steven Caulker - 8m
Gary Medel - 11.4m
Kevin Catherine - 2.2m
Peter Odemwinge - 2.5m

that equals 35.5m, not including MMD, which probably (and yes, its a guesstimation obviously) rounds it up around the 38m mark.

thats before signing on fees (wasnt Medel paid a reported 1.5m in image rights or something?) thats also before agent fees which its clear we have been bent over backwards on!

i think its pretty obvious that any "added extras" regardless of what the stipulation is, means we have spend UPWARDS of 50 million this season on signing players.

Again with the wages, no one on here knows for certain of course. Cornelius is reported 45k a week, i imagine bellamy has to be on the same as he was on 35 last season, and im sure i read on here that there was a clause in his contract that meant he was the highest paid player at the club.

Anyway, i think 40 million a year on wages might be pushing it a bit, but even under the premise of 30m a year... that, plus the money we have spend this year, plus the stadium means of course we have spent around 100m this season im not sure why people are arguing the point!



Will we make 100m? well its 63m for just finishing bottom isnt it? plus an extra 1.5m for every place you move up the table.... so in that sense, if we finish 17th, thats 67.5m add on season tickets at about 6m and sponsorship. there will be more on both sides of course, but to assume we will make a profit this season is just silly really, we are staring into a financial black hole.

Its funny reading you lot argue over made up figures with your own made up figures.

this is all a bit silly really.


from transfermarkt.com

Magnus Wolff Eikrem - £2.2m
mats Moller Daehli - undisc
Adreas Cornelius - £7.6m
John Brayford - 1.5m
Simon Moore - 154k
Steven Caulker - 8m
Gary Medel - 11.4m
Kevin Catherine - 2.2m
Peter Odemwinge - 2.5m

that equals 35.5m, not including MMD, which probably (and yes, its a guesstimation obviously) rounds it up around the 38m mark.

thats before signing on fees (wasnt Medel paid a reported 1.5m in image rights or something?) thats also before agent fees which its clear we have been bent over backwards on!

i think its pretty obvious that any "added extras" regardless of what the stipulation is, means we have spend UPWARDS of 50 million this season on signing players.

Again with the wages, no one on here knows for certain of course. Cornelius is reported 45k a week, i imagine bellamy has to be on the same as he was on 35 last season, and im sure i read on here that there was a clause in his contract that meant he was the highest paid player at the club.

Anyway, i think 40 million a year on wages might be pushing it a bit, but even under the premise of 30m a year... that, plus the money we have spend this year, plus the stadium means of course we have spent around 100m this season im not sure why people are arguing the point!



Will we make 100m? well its 63m for just finishing bottom isnt it? plus an extra 1.5m for every place you move up the table.... so in that sense, if we finish 17th, thats 67.5m add on season tickets at about 6m and sponsorship. there will be more on both sides of course, but to assume we will make a profit this season is just silly really, we are staring into a financial black hole.

You are assuming that the transfer fees were paid up front in cash ,also the so called add ons will be over a few year period ,carl said in a up date that the club are expecting a 25. Million pound profit this season ,remember that making a profit is not paying off the debt but taking more money in than spending in a12 month period ,this year will be record turnover with ,ticket sales ,premier seat income is all ours for the first time and over all sponsorship will be massively up

this is all a bit silly really.


from transfermarkt.com

Magnus Wolff Eikrem - £2.2m
mats Moller Daehli - undisc
Adreas Cornelius - £7.6m
John Brayford - 1.5m
Simon Moore - 154k
Steven Caulker - 8m
Gary Medel - 11.4m
Kevin Catherine - 2.2m
Peter Odemwinge - 2.5m

that equals 35.5m, not including MMD, which probably (and yes, its a guesstimation obviously) rounds it up around the 38m mark.

thats before signing on fees (wasnt Medel paid a reported 1.5m in image rights or something?) thats also before agent fees which its clear we have been bent over backwards on!

i think its pretty obvious that any "added extras" regardless of what the stipulation is, means we have spend UPWARDS of 50 million this season on signing players.

Again with the wages, no one on here knows for certain of course. Cornelius is reported 45k a week, i imagine bellamy has to be on the same as he was on 35 last season, and im sure i read on here that there was a clause in his contract that meant he was the highest paid player at the club.

Anyway, i think 40 million a year on wages might be pushing it a bit, but even under the premise of 30m a year... that, plus the money we have spend this year, plus the stadium means of course we have spent around 100m this season im not sure why people are arguing the point!



Will we make 100m? well its 63m for just finishing bottom isnt it? plus an extra 1.5m for every place you move up the table.... so in that sense, if we finish 17th, thats 67.5m add on season tickets at about 6m and sponsorship. there will be more on both sides of course, but to assume we will make a profit this season is just silly really, we are staring into a financial black hole.

Season ticket money is taxed too remember. Your income will be about 70 mill and spends will be in excess of 100 mill. They are arguing simply because it is roathy that is saying .

I thought I was being conservative with 40 mill wages. Ours is 30 and we would never pay the wages you do.

There is no way on God's green earth a profit will be turned let alone 30 million. Heavy heavy heavy losses that much is obvious.

this is all a bit silly really.


from transfermarkt.com

Magnus Wolff Eikrem - £2.2m
mats Moller Daehli - undisc
Adreas Cornelius - £7.6m
John Brayford - 1.5m
Simon Moore - 154k
Steven Caulker - 8m
Gary Medel - 11.4m
Kevin Catherine - 2.2m
Peter Odemwinge - 2.5m

that equals 35.5m, not including MMD, which probably (and yes, its a guesstimation obviously) rounds it up around the 38m mark.

thats before signing on fees (wasnt Medel paid a reported 1.5m in image rights or something?) thats also before agent fees which its clear we have been bent over backwards on!

i think its pretty obvious that any "added extras" regardless of what the stipulation is, means we have spend UPWARDS of 50 million this season on signing players.

Again with the wages, no one on here knows for certain of course. Cornelius is reported 45k a week, i imagine bellamy has to be on the same as he was on 35 last season, and im sure i read on here that there was a clause in his contract that meant he was the highest paid player at the club.

Anyway, i think 40 million a year on wages might be pushing it a bit, but even under the premise of 30m a year... that, plus the money we have spend this year, plus the stadium means of course we have spent around 100m this season im not sure why people are arguing the point!



Will we make 100m? well its 63m for just finishing bottom isnt it? plus an extra 1.5m for every place you move up the table.... so in that sense, if we finish 17th, thats 67.5m add on season tickets at about 6m and sponsorship. there will be more on both sides of course, but to assume we will make a profit this season is just silly really, we are staring into a financial black hole.

Season ticket money is taxed too remember. Your income will be about 70 mill and spends will be in excess of 100 mill. They are arguing simply because it is roathy that is saying .

I thought I was being conservative with 40 mill wages. Ours is 30 and we would never pay the wages you do.

There is no way on God's green earth a profit will be turned let alone 30 million. Heavy heavy heavy losses that much is obvious.

Making up figures again roathy ,income 70 million are you having a laugh lol

Of course we are making them up you pleb they haven't been released

But we can use what we know to make informed guesstimate unless you think tan used fairy dust to spend 50 mill on players and candy for wages.

I've already asked you to give me your objections. You haven't as of yet.... funny that

Its funny reading you lot argue over made up figures with your own made up figures.

Its funny reading you lot argue over made up figures with your own made up figures.

Exactly, the only fact on here is that no one has any facts, bizarre!!!

This forum has gone nuts recently. Unless you are the pound nobody is interested

We know how much you have spent roughly on players, we know what wages are roughly, we know what the expansion costs roughly, we know exactly how much tv money you get an those are the main things covered.

It's not like we are trying to find a missing 300k. We are talking probably 60-70 million difference of income and loss offset that you guys are expecting against my figures. I've simply asked where you dispute my figures... so far we have a disputed 5m on the norgs which will surely be about right and a dispute regarding when add ons are due... neither of these point to helping the guesstimate out to a tune of 70 million so where else s the discrepancy?

Unless w e can identify that then it safe to say you at heading for a heavy loss