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Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:43 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:
Blue_Always wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:
Blue_Always wrote:How can anyone defend his effort to block a cross leading to West Hams goal. Quite frankly my nan could've looked more commited,


The cross Jarvis played which you are talking about was hit first time and didnt give Whitts any chance to get the block in. Unfortunately jarvis is lighening quick compared to Whitts and showed a touch of class with that movement and cross.

I am more concerned with how the f**k Declan John was so far out of position (He was nearly by the touchline yet the ball had been pinged from the other side) and KTC ball waching and lett ign C.Cole get in front of him.


He left it too late to cover. forgivable if he were pulling up trees in attack, but he is not.


Why was he covering in the first place. Declan John was a mile away from where he should have been.

It was just his effort, his heart wasn't in that run.

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:43 pm

How can u say second best player, you can say second best midfielder. But you can't compare him to a goal keeper.
You getting your ratings from fifa? Lol
In all seriousness he does get bad stick I rate him and let's be fair ole and malky both start him so he must be doing something right!

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:46 pm

Oh and the goal was theo's fault, second or third time he's let his marker go at far post this season.

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:04 pm

nubbsy wrote:Oh and the goal was theo's fault, second or third time he's let his marker go at far post this season.


Spot on.

KTC cannot defend to save his life. Good going forward, pants at the back.

Coles goal was similair to Southamptons 2nd with KTC just ball watching.

Pretty sure Whitts had the blame for that too. :laughing6:

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:06 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:
nubbsy wrote:Oh and the goal was theo's fault, second or third time he's let his marker go at far post this season.


Spot on.

KTC cannot defend to save his life. Good going forward, pants at the back.

Coles goal was similair to Southamptons 2nd with KTC just ball watching.

Pretty sure Whitts had the blame for that too. :laughing6:

Don't you feel sorry for Theo with Whitts in front of him though? I predict that Theo will improve once Whitts is moved or dropped.

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:25 pm

Blue_Always wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:
nubbsy wrote:Oh and the goal was theo's fault, second or third time he's let his marker go at far post this season.


Spot on.

KTC cannot defend to save his life. Good going forward, pants at the back.

Coles goal was similair to Southamptons 2nd with KTC just ball watching.

Pretty sure Whitts had the blame for that too. :laughing6:

Don't you feel sorry for Theo with Whitts in front of him though? I predict that Theo will improve once Whitts is moved or dropped.


You need to go to Specsavers son, Whitts hasnt played in front of Theo.

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:29 pm

Whitts is affecting Theo, this Whitts apathy is affecting players left to right. It only takes one player to destabalize everything Mario.

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:32 pm

Blue_Always wrote:Whitts is affecting Theo, this Whitts apathy is affecting players left to right. It only takes one player to destabalize everything Mario.


Bore off you dickhead the adults are trying to have a football discussion.

:sleepy2:

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:36 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:
Blue_Always wrote:Whitts is affecting Theo, this Whitts apathy is affecting players left to right. It only takes one player to destabalize everything Mario.


Bore off you dickhead the adults are trying to have a football discussion.

:sleepy2:


Calm down will you, it's not as if football is an exact science and like you said it's about opinions. If one of the midfield continually turns a blind eye to the runner. ALL of that unit will lose position. No the gloves are off, i'm surprised you have a 1980's attitude to flair players not having to tackle, get with the times man :?

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:41 pm

Blue_Always wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:
Blue_Always wrote:Whitts is affecting Theo, this Whitts apathy is affecting players left to right. It only takes one player to destabalize everything Mario.


Bore off you dickhead the adults are trying to have a football discussion.

:sleepy2:


Calm down will you, it's not as if football is an exact science and like you said it's about opinions. If one of the midfield continually turns a blind eye to the runner. ALL of that unit will lose position. No the gloves are off, i'm surprised you have a 1980's attitude to flair players not having to tackle, get with the times man :?


:sleepy2:

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:48 pm

Now the defensive errors stat is very wrong and shows why you can't use stats for certain things. Whitts has been caught in wrong positions, failed to track back Etc. All are defensive errors. It isn't just missed tackles, or giving balls away that are errors. It all adds up at this level.

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:57 pm

np20 wrote:Now the defensive errors stat is very wrong and shows why you can't use stats for certain things. Whitts has been caught in wrong positions, failed to track back Etc. All are defensive errors. It isn't just missed tackles, or giving balls away that are errors. It all adds up at this level.


I'll listen to professional stat takers thanks who've been trained to take stats in accordance to the set criteria. They haven't got such a good reputation as stats providers for nothing FFS.

Cringing at people saying stats can be manipulated. All they are in this instance are records of what took place. Theres no sample pool to criticise. Its just professional stat takers recording information. They've been trained to do this so they know what theyre doing.

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:58 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:
Blue_Always wrote:Whitts is affecting Theo, this Whitts apathy is affecting players left to right. It only takes one player to destabalize everything Mario.


Bore off you dickhead the adults are trying to have a football discussion.

:sleepy2:


All the kids coming home from school around this time Polo. :ayatollah:

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:02 pm

JB39. wrote:
np20 wrote:Now the defensive errors stat is very wrong and shows why you can't use stats for certain things. Whitts has been caught in wrong positions, failed to track back Etc. All are defensive errors. It isn't just missed tackles, or giving balls away that are errors. It all adds up at this level.


I'll listen to professional stat takers thanks who've been trained to take stats in accordance to the set criteria. They haven't got such a good reputation as stats providers for nothing FFS.

Cringing at people saying stats can be manipulated. All they are in this instance are records of what took place. Theres no sample pool to criticise. Its just professional stat takers recording information. They've been trained to do this so they know what theyre doing.



Alot of stats with so many variables like this can be manipulated, it's a proven fact.

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:06 pm

JB39. wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:
Blue_Always wrote:Whitts is affecting Theo, this Whitts apathy is affecting players left to right. It only takes one player to destabalize everything Mario.


Bore off you dickhead the adults are trying to have a football discussion.

:sleepy2:


All the kids coming home from school around this time Polo. :ayatollah:


I don't understand you barnett.

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:08 pm

Blue_Always wrote: I don't understand you barnett.


Nobody does. Im a shapeshifter. 8-)

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:10 pm

JB39. wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:
Blue_Always wrote:Whitts is affecting Theo, this Whitts apathy is affecting players left to right. It only takes one player to destabalize everything Mario.


Bore off you dickhead the adults are trying to have a football discussion.

:sleepy2:


All the kids coming home from school around this time Polo. :ayatollah:


Don't you go to school yourself you? Aberystwyth uni school of business or something

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:13 pm

np20 wrote:Don't you go to school yourself you? Aberystwyth uni school of business or something


School of business? :laughing5:

I study Internet Computing at University. That's at University, not school. Im sure I don't have to explain the concept of further and higher education to yourself.

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:14 pm

JB39. wrote:
np20 wrote:Don't you go to school yourself you? Aberystwyth uni school of business or something


School of business? :laughing5:

I study Internet Computing at University. That's at University, not school. Im sure I don't have to explain the concept of further and higher education to yourself.

It's school, now run along before you get repremanded by the head.

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:17 pm

Blue_Always wrote:It's school, now run along before you get repremanded by the head.


No, its a university.

University

A university (Latin: "universitas", "a whole") is an institution of higher education and research which grants academic degrees in a variety of subjects and provides both undergraduate education and postgraduate education. The word "university" is derived from the Latin universitas magistrorum et scholarium, which roughly means "community of teachers and scholars."[1]

School

A school is an institution designed for the teaching of students (or "pupils") under the direction of teachers. Most countries have systems of formal education, which is commonly compulsory.[citation needed] In these systems, students progress through a series of schools. The names for these schools vary by country (discussed in the Regional section below) but generally include primary school for young children and secondary school for teenagers who have completed primary education. An institution where higher education is taught, is commonly called a university college or university.

Class dismissed.

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:29 pm

From the Oxord English Dictionary.

Pronunciation: Brit. /skuːl/ , U.S. /skul/

Forms: see school n.1

Etymology: < school n.1 Compare post-classical Latin scholare ... (Show More)



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a. To educate or train (a person, the mind, etc.); (of experience, God, etc.) to make wise, skilful, or tractable by training or discipline; (more generally) to impart wisdom or understanding to. Freq. in pass.

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:29 pm

JB39. wrote:
Blue_Always wrote: I don't understand you barnett.


Nobody does. Im a bullshitter. 8-)


i understand :ayatollah:

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:37 pm

He hasn't made any defensive errors simply because he hasn't worked defensively. He is playing deep this season and is refusing to tackle and never passes forwards, never chases the ball either. Jordon Mutch and Gary Medel are below him yes, because they're taking risks, lowering their pass percentage, raising their attacking errors but they are taking risks to try and score.

I'd rather we had a high error rate with a low pass percentage than a low error rate with a high pass percentage if it means we can score more

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:40 pm

:thumbright:
Legs 11 wrote:
JB39. wrote:
Blue_Always wrote: I don't understand you barnett.


Nobody does. Im a bullshitter. 8-)


i understand :ayatollah:

:lol: :thumbright:

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:42 pm

Where's the shitting out of a tackle stat,because his must be 100% he never tackles

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:43 pm

Pricey wrote:Where's the shitting out of a tackle stat,because his must be 100% he never tackles

And the stat where others work for him?

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:51 pm

CraigCCFC wrote:
JB39. wrote:
CraigCCFC wrote:I go by what my eyes see and what they see is sideways passing, refusal to tackle, bad positioning (defensively) and slow to close his man down. Hes a luxury player imo and we cant afford that in our situation. Stats can be manipulated to suit any opinion.

Agree with craigccfc, I'm yet to see Whittingham carve open a back four... I've said it before, set pieces you won't get a better delivery but as for open play I think he's been poor. No comparison with ozil, you're talking different levels of class. Whittingham will never be 40 million quid! I do think he's done the club proud and there's no denying he's a nice guy, but me personally I'd rather an ozil like player who isn't that nice off the field than a lovely boy Whittingham.

people arent a disgrace because they think differently.


He's our second best player and thats a fact yet people continuously say he's not good enough for this level. Should we sell the entire squad, Caulker aside, then? Because they're clearly not good enough either including Medel as Whittingham has proven to be better at this level than them all. Just because he doesn't rush into tackles like a dog chasing a ball doesn't mean he's not good enough. This Malky high pressure rubbish is laughable. You don't see Ozil doing it either for Arsenal because he's not an idiot and knows that he must conserve energy and use it wisely. Its called having a brain.

As for the sideways passes I cant help but laugh. He's created 37 chances. Not our fault that on 33 of those occasions we lacked the clinical finisher to put the ball in the net is it?

:lol:


why do you think hes created most chances?

Maybe because he took our set pieces and thats the way we tried to score.....stats can be manipulated.

just because hes a nice guy doesnt mean hes a great player. As for steaming in......just attempting to tackle and not get scared would be something!

As i said, luxury player.

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:56 pm

Agree with craigccfc, I'm yet to see Whittingham carve open a back four... I've said it before, set pieces you won't get a better delivery but as for open play I think he's been poor. No comparison with ozil, you're talking different levels of class. Whittingham will never be 40 million quid! I do think he's done the club proud and there's no denying he's a nice guy, but me personally I'd rather an ozil like player who isn't that nice off the field than a lovely boy Whittingham.

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:05 pm

Blue_Always wrote:
a. To educate or train (a person, the mind, etc.); (of experience, God, etc.) to make wise, skilful, or tractable by training or discipline; (more generally) to impart wisdom or understanding to. Freq. in pass.


A university still is not a school. Thats what you claimed. Don't lie now and turn into Barry Chuckles v2

Re: The Peter Whittingham Myth

Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:16 pm

Like him. But no defensive errors? Watch WHU first goal. He was last left man (shouldn't have been that was John's error) and looked at the winger yet decided to stay when he should have gone to mark. Result? Ball over head and then cross.

As senior pro should have been telling John to get back and indeed they were in each other's positions.

The facts are we are losing because game after game our concentration in defence goes. Watch Hudson not follow his man and then end up deep playing offside; whilst Theo never gets goal side of Cole.