' OLE WILL LEARN '

"Bottom of the form table means nothing"

I see Pinocchio is lying again. Let's hope Mario Polotelli has seen it.

"Bottom of the form table means nothing"

I see Pinocchio is lying again. Let's hope Mario Polotelli has seen it.

I think you have confused talking sense with lying bambi

I don't think he got it that wrong to be honest Carl.

Your biggest problem is you dont have enough quality premiership players.

Havent seen you play for a long time but there were some obvious championship players out there today.

Steve, but every club on their first season in the Prem carry half the squad/team with Championship players, by the second season if your still up there,they are then nearly all gone.
The Championship and the Prem are miles apart, I said that last season, got shot down and some said were runaway Champions, so it would be no probs.

The first season, Uve just got to battle your way for 9 months just to stay out of relegation.

In fairness, 3 years on and we still have Rangel, Williams, Taylor, Britton, Davies and Dyer playing regularly for us.

Davies made his debut after you were promoted and Taylor hardly plays for you any more

RoathMagic, if being bottom of the form table is nothing, you wouldn't be bothered about staying there for the rest of the season then? Or are you just lying again Pinocchio.

RoathMagic, if being bottom of the form table is nothing, you wouldn't be bothered about staying there for the rest of the season then? Or are you just lying again Pinocchio.

The "form table" covers 6 games. Our last 6 games consist of Man City, Man United, Chelsea, Everton, Villa and Norwich.

If we had to play those 6 teams over and over again until we met our quota of 38 then id be concerned... Luckily football doesn't work like that which is why we are 13th

I don't think he got it that wrong to be honest Carl.

Your biggest problem is you dont have enough quality premiership players.

Havent seen you play for a long time but there were some obvious championship players out there today.

Steve, but every club on their first season in the Prem carry half the squad/team with Championship players, by the second season if your still up there,they are then nearly all gone.
The Championship and the Prem are miles apart, I said that last season, got shot down and some said were runaway Champions, so it would be no probs.

The first season, Uve just got to battle your way for 9 months just to stay out of relegation.

In fairness, 3 years on and we still have Rangel, Williams, Taylor, Britton, Davies and Dyer playing regularly for us.

Davies made his debut after you were promoted and Taylor hardly plays for you any more

True regarding Davies. However Taylor is still trying to get back into the side after a horrendous injury and would undoubtedly still be our first team left back had it not happened. The core of our championship side is still here and an important part of our squad.

I don't think he got it that wrong to be honest Carl.

Your biggest problem is you dont have enough quality premiership players.

Havent seen you play for a long time but there were some obvious championship players out there today.

Do you think there was much between the teams today Steve?

In honesty ---- not too much, bit more premiership quality in areas and more experienced manager , big Sam got it bang on.

Dropped Diame .... Good move.

Jarvo and downing .... Good move

Adrian ..... Good move.

Started with Carlton ( not Maiga ) .... Good move.

Matt Taylor in ..... Good move

Played to win and won.

I felt that the second half was extremely promising. We played great football and if we count out all the time wasting West Ham did their posession of the ball is very low.

But it shines through that we need a Striker who has the natural instinct. All credit to the work Campbell puts down but he aint good enough. 136 matches in the PL and 33 goals is not good enough and he is 26 years now and not a talent anymore.
The shot he had got credited to Adrian for a good save but infact it was a poor finish right on the keeper in my eyes.

I liked the aggressive style of play and i feel tha tactical changes was excellent. He took off Hudson and threw in another striker to make sure we gave it all we had to get a point or three.
Some will feel it was a bad desicion and that we should kept the score at 0-1 and hoped for 1-1 instead of 0-2 but when it comes to the end of the season only bad luck makes you relegated by goal difference.

If we keep playing football like we did in the second half and get some good signings now in january i hope we can see what we have coming for the future.

Just want to add that Fergie called Ole the sharpest striker he had ever had so hopefully he can get Cornelius to shine.I just cant believe that we spent 8mill on him if he aint got talent to play in the PL at all. Time will tell.

I have a good felling atleast and dissapointed about the loss but satisfied with how we showed ourselfes in the second half.

Away from home we don't play the possession game .... We sit and wait

I don't think he got it that wrong to be honest Carl.

Your biggest problem is you dont have enough quality premiership players.

Havent seen you play for a long time but there were some obvious championship players out there today.

Daya your spot on with your reading of our team yesterday. During the summer players should have been moved on with a good bonus for getting promotion. Unfortunately this didn't happen hence where we are today.

West Ham were no great shakes but your midfield players had quality and worked hard to get the ball back.Noble for me was head and shoulders above the rest and if you keep playing like that you should be ok.

Ole needs time to stamp his ideas on the team. The new guy when he came on showed class and I'm sure will be a big favourate with the fans.

I think OLE already knows which players have the ability to play in the style he wants us to play and he also knows which players he can TRUST. In my opinion the lacklustre first half performance of our midfield 5 yesterday will have told him everything about the challenge that faces him in the coming months.

I have been one of the most vocal supporters of Peter Whittingham but first half yesterday he hardly completed a pass that wasn't sent back to either Caulker or Hudson and we need far more than that to justify his place in the team. At this moment not even his set piece delivery is that good with the majority either over or under hit. Do not misunderstand me when Whitts is on his game his passing, crossing or shooting is top notch but right now it's a long way from that.

Not that Whitts alone was the problem yesterday because KIM made some poor decisions first half and kept being either caught in possession or running down cul de sacs. I'm not sure what Odemwingie brings to the team and it was no surprise when he was taken off. Medal gives plenty of effort but his passing was all over the place yesterday and again for me there was no surprise when he was taken off. Noone always creates excitement with his direct style but he repeatedly took on one West Ham player too many yesterday, but at least he was having a go.

The best post I have seen for ages.

I too am concerned that Medel has lost motivation.

And I hope that all those who continually criticize Turner about his distribution will have watched Hudson yesterday. His distribution was terrible. I don't know if it was because it was his first game or because he is right sided, but his understanding with both John and Caulker was poor. Both of our CB's were bullied by Cole.

For me Bellamy changed the game for us as from the first moment he was driving us onto the front foot and he dragged the rest of the midfield with him. Replacing Medal with Eikrem also gave us a idea about how he will fit into the team, always looking for the ball, clam when he got it, looking to move the ball forward and he even got Whitts involved and playing the ball forward.

Daelhi signed yesterday and he is going to be another player who will get us playing on the front foot, it sounds like Diouf or Zaha will be signing on Monday so I'm expecting to see a much changed team by the time of our next home game against Norwich.

In my opinion what OLE needs to understand, and I think he already does, in which players in our squad he can trust.

Ole will have learned a lot today.

Tactically he got it wrong today.

Campbell was isolated up top for much of the game, needs support and help to compete against the centre halves.

The starting midfield five need to offer more movement when we got possession of the ball.

Mark Hudson playing as the left sided centre half does not look comfortable.

The manager will need time to assess the squad and their individual capabilities but as much as that result hurt us today, Ole will have learned a lot.

What was the point of getting rid of an established manager half way through our first premier league season for a manager who needs to learn more..

I hope you are wrong and OGS knows what he is doing and this is just a case of every manager losing a game

Drop Whittingham, bring in Mutch when fit and play Eikrem over Whittingham, Whittingham has no confidence and offers f**k all, shits out of every challenge going

Ole will have learned a lot today.

Tactically he got it wrong today.

Campbell was isolated up top for much of the game, needs support and help to compete against the centre halves.

The starting midfield five need to offer more movement when we got possession of the ball.

Mark Hudson playing as the left sided centre half does not look comfortable.

The manager will need time to assess the squad and their individual capabilities but as much as that result hurt us today, Ole will have learned a lot.

What was the point of getting rid of an established manager half way through our first premier league season for a manager who needs to learn more..

I hope you are wrong and OGS knows what he is doing and this is just a case of every manager losing a game

Established manager He was an understudy to Brendan Rodgers who had never properly played the game, he was dicking the Champ with Watford then bottled it despite having Danny Graham at his disposal, 11/12 with us was a miracle but 12/13 he got promoted with a massive budget, then 6 months into the prem we spent 12m on strikers yet can only score more then Palace, EMBARRASSING. Malky deserved the sack and we'd have gone down with horrible football and no foundations set

Drop Whittingham, bring in Mutch when fit and play Eikrem over Whittingham, Whittingham has no confidence and offers f**k all, shits out of every challenge going

In fairness Mutch was injured and Eikrem has only just arrived. But I do agree longer term. I personally think a midfield of Medel/Mutch/Eikrem would be excellent.

who had never properly played the game

Are you seriously trying to suggest Malky never "properly played the game"?

Drop Whittingham, bring in Mutch when fit and play Eikrem over Whittingham, Whittingham has no confidence and offers f**k all, shits out of every challenge going

In fairness Mutch was injured and Eikrem has only just arrived. But I do agree longer term. I personally think a midfield of Medel/Mutch/Eikrem would be excellent.

aye I know regarding Mutch, we're heavily reliant on him, I agree on that midfield trio though, Eikrem looks so influential yet calm on the ball, what you'd expect from Whittingham but moulded into our Norweigan dynamite

who had never properly played the game

Are you seriously trying to suggest Malky never "properly played the game"?

Read again, Brendan Rodgers didn't properly play the game

Apologies, don't see what that has to do with anything though. The number of people trying to play down Mackay's achievements at the club amazes me.

You might not have liked his style of play, nor may you have liked his signings, but he achieved many good thighs in a short amount of time & should always be respected. I'm also looking forward to seeing this club under ole's guidance. Both things are not mutually exclusive.

I think OLE already knows which players have the ability to play in the style he wants us to play and he also knows which players he can TRUST. In my opinion the lacklustre first half performance of our midfield 5 yesterday will have told him everything about the challenge that faces him in the coming months.

I have been one of the most vocal supporters of Peter Whittingham but first half yesterday he hardly completed a pass that wasn't sent back to either Caulker or Hudson and we need far more than that to justify his place in the team. At this moment not even his set piece delivery is that good with the majority either over or under hit. Do not misunderstand me when Whitts is on his game his passing, crossing or shooting is top notch but right now it's a long way from that.

Not that Whitts alone was the problem yesterday because KIM made some poor decisions first half and kept being either caught in possession or running down cul de sacs. I'm not sure what Odemwingie brings to the team and it was no surprise when he was taken off. Medal gives plenty of effort but his passing was all over the place yesterday and again for me there was no surprise when he was taken off. Noone always creates excitement with his direct style but he repeatedly took on one West Ham player too many yesterday, but at least he was having a go.

For me Bellamy changed the game for us as from the first moment he was driving us onto the front foot and he dragged the rest of the midfield with him. Replacing Medal with Eikrem also gave us a idea about how he will fit into the team, always looking for the ball, clam when he got it, looking to move the ball forward and he even got Whitts involved and playing the ball forward.

Daelhi signed yesterday and he is going to be another player who will get us playing on the front foot, it sounds like Diouf or Zaha will be signing on Monday so I'm expecting to see a much changed team by the time of our next home game against Norwich.

In my opinion what OLE needs to understand, and I think he already does, in which players in our squad he can trust.

Great post.

Apologies, don't see what that has to do with anything though. The number of people trying to play down Mackay's achievements at the club amazes me.

You might not have liked his style of play, nor may you have liked his signings, but he achieved many good thighs in a short amount of time & should always be respected. I'm also looking forward to seeing this club under ole's guidance. Both things are not mutually exclusive.

Just feel like he's an average manager atm who has achieved things whilst spending big money, look I have no doubt he has the potential to be a good manager but not at the moment, still needs a few seasons managing in the Champ etc or to stabilitise himself at a team like Norwich rather than go in the deep end and spend big money.

I fully agree with you on that, I just feel the foundations set for us aren't good in the position we're in, I am genuinely excited for what we can produce under Ole, but more fans need to give him time.

Ole will have learned a lot today.

Tactically he got it wrong today.

Campbell was isolated up top for much of the game, needs support and help to compete against the centre halves.

The starting midfield five need to offer more movement when we got possession of the ball.

Mark Hudson playing as the left sided centre half does not look comfortable.

The manager will need time to assess the squad and their individual capabilities but as much as that result hurt us today, Ole will have learned a lot.

What was the point of getting rid of an established manager half way through our first premier league season for a manager who needs to learn more..

I hope you are wrong and OGS knows what he is doing and this is just a case of every manager losing a game

Established manager He was an understudy to Brendan Rodgers who had never properly played the game, he was dicking the Champ with Watford then bottled it despite having Danny Graham at his disposal, 11/12 with us was a miracle but 12/13 he got promoted with a massive budget, then 6 months into the prem we spent 12m on strikers yet can only score more then Palace, EMBARRASSING. Malky deserved the sack and we'd have gone down with horrible football and no foundations set

He managed us for over two seasons, got us to the Carling cup final & got us promoted into the premier league- that makes him an established manager...

I'll tell you whats embarrassing - you're post is f*cking embarrassing as you are obviously under the impression that we are Barcelona and not Cardiff City FC - Malky did what not many managers are capable of doing and you should appreciate his contribution to our clubs history

It will be interesting to see you're posts after OGS has lost a few games - which as we are Cardiff City and not Barcelona is undoubtedly going to happen

Ole will have learned a lot today.

Tactically he got it wrong today.

Campbell was isolated up top for much of the game, needs support and help to compete against the centre halves.

The starting midfield five need to offer more movement when we got possession of the ball.

Mark Hudson playing as the left sided centre half does not look comfortable.

The manager will need time to assess the squad and their individual capabilities but as much as that result hurt us today, Ole will have learned a lot.

What was the point of getting rid of an established manager half way through our first premier league season for a manager who needs to learn more..

I hope you are wrong and OGS knows what he is doing and this is just a case of every manager losing a game

Established manager He was an understudy to Brendan Rodgers who had never properly played the game, he was dicking the Champ with Watford then bottled it despite having Danny Graham at his disposal, 11/12 with us was a miracle but 12/13 he got promoted with a massive budget, then 6 months into the prem we spent 12m on strikers yet can only score more then Palace, EMBARRASSING. Malky deserved the sack and we'd have gone down with horrible football and no foundations set

He managed us for over two seasons, got us to the Carling cup final & got us promoted into the premier league- that makes him an established manager...

I'll tell you whats embarrassing - you're post is f*cking embarrassing as you are obviously under the impression that we are Barcelona and not Cardiff City FC - Malky did what not many managers are capable of doing and you should appreciate his contribution to our clubs history

It will be interesting to see you're posts after OGS has lost a few games - which as we are Cardiff City and not Barcelona is undoubtedly going to happen

Why do you think my expectations are high when I was hell bent on us appointing OGS? I understand the circumstances Ole is in and what I want is for more of us to not cry because Malky isn't here and say we'd have got something out of that game if Malky played etc. I appreciate what Malky done for this club like said above, but he done it with a huge financial injection, where you've seen other managers achieve what he's done on a smaller budget.

Just feel like he's an average manager atm who has achieved things whilst spending big money, look I have no doubt he has the potential to be a good manager but not at the moment, still needs a few seasons managing in the Champ etc or to stabilitise himself at a team like Norwich rather than go in the deep end and spend big money.

I fully agree with you on that, I just feel the foundations set for us aren't good in the position we're in, I am genuinely excited for what we can produce under Ole, but more fans need to give him time.

But you aren't respecting him. The majority of your posts are belittling towards him and his achievements. You go on about money, but his first season here was incredible. To build a team out of nothing to go and do what he did, deserves credit.

You also go on about spending money - but he won the title. Leicester spent big, as did Blackburn and they didn't. Not easy to get promoted out of the championship.

Just feel like he's an average manager atm who has achieved things whilst spending big money, look I have no doubt he has the potential to be a good manager but not at the moment, still needs a few seasons managing in the Champ etc or to stabilitise himself at a team like Norwich rather than go in the deep end and spend big money.

I fully agree with you on that, I just feel the foundations set for us aren't good in the position we're in, I am genuinely excited for what we can produce under Ole, but more fans need to give him time.

But you aren't respecting him. The majority of your posts are belittling towards him and his achievements. You go on about money, but his first season here was incredible. To build a team out of nothing to go and do what he did, deserves credit.

You also go on about spending money - but he won the title. Leicester spent big, as did Blackburn and they didn't. Not easy to get promoted out of the championship.

Tell that to Holloway came in half way through, played a better brand of football with a team assembled for a pittance. For every team that has not got promoted from the championship and has spent big you will find one that has done it on spending very little. Management is the key and Malky was a decent mananger, but lets not perpetuate this myth that he was something special

Tell that to Holloway came in half way through, played a better brand of football with a team assembled for a pittance. For every team that has not got promoted from the championship and has spent big you will find one that has done it on spending very little. Management is the key and Malky was a decent mananger, but lets not perpetuate this myth that he was something special

Where have I said that he's something special? All I've asked is that some don't belittle him and respect his achievements a little more. Not too much to ask.

He didnt get anything wrong tactically as Daya said we dont have enough quality in that side and its Malky's team. Once he gets his players in then we can judge him. At least we showed alot more attacking threat then we have all season but we really missed Mutch today in the middle

34 players he brought here spending over 50 mill..........yes didnt he come over as a nice level bloke on MOTD........bloke not manager..................34 players........and our best player this year Marshall isnt even one of them.

come august, no matter who the manager is, or what division, be interesting to see how many Malky signings are in the 11.......

Tell that to Holloway came in half way through, played a better brand of football with a team assembled for a pittance. For every team that has not got promoted from the championship and has spent big you will find one that has done it on spending very little. Management is the key and Malky was a decent mananger, but lets not perpetuate this myth that he was something special

Where have I said that he's something special? All I've asked is that some don't belittle him and respect his achievements a little more. Not too much to ask.

You implied that his achievements were something special or at least that's how it came over You imply that spending money does not guarantee you promotion as per your examples below. However, arguably the bigger achievement has been Holloways firstly with Blackpool then with Palace all on one of the lowest budgets in the Championship. I acknowledge Malkys achievements but I would argue that given the budget and facilities etc, Cardiff were expected to get promoted but not Palace or for that matter Hull City I respect those managers achievements far more tham malkys.
"You also go on about spending money - but he won the title. Leicester spent big, as did Blackburn and they didn't. Not easy to get promoted out of the championship".

You implied that his achievements were something special or at least that's how it came over You imply that spending money does not guarantee you promotion as per your examples below. However, arguably the bigger achievement has been Holloways firstly with Blackpool then with Palace all on one of the lowest budgets in the Championship. I acknowledge Malkys achievements but I would argue that given the budget and facilities etc, Cardiff were expected to get promoted but not Palace or for that matter Hull City I respect those managers achievements far more tham malkys.
"You also go on about spending money - but he won the title. Leicester spent big, as did Blackburn and they didn't. Not easy to get promoted out of the championship".

Oh, so you made an assumption.

It doesn't ensure promotion, as I have proved. I don't know what Holloway's achievements have to do with anything. In 2 and a half seasons, we got to the playoffs, the championship title, losing to Liverpool on pens in the league cup final & had a decent start to premiership life.

That should be respected, rather than belittled, like many have on here.

Tell that to Holloway came in half way through, played a better brand of football with a team assembled for a pittance. For every team that has not got promoted from the championship and has spent big you will find one that has done it on spending very little. Management is the key and Malky was a decent mananger, but lets not perpetuate this myth that he was something special

Where have I said that he's something special? All I've asked is that some don't belittle him and respect his achievements a little more. Not too much to ask.

there are examples of clubs spending big and not getting promoted......many more examples though of spending helps getting you up.. Malky had the cash, and having had the cash set out to be ultra negative,it worked.. but..would Blackburn or Leicesters fans have lived with the dour park the bus tactic we adopted having spent big.?.. we were desperate for a taste of the prem,absolutely desperate and therefore cut him much more slack than most managers enjoy.......he did ok......i dont get the love in..

Drop Whittingham, bring in Mutch when fit and play Eikrem over Whittingham, Whittingham has no confidence and offers f**k all, shits out of every challenge going

In fairness Mutch was injured and Eikrem has only just arrived. But I do agree longer term. I personally think a midfield of Medel/Mutch/Eikrem would be excellent.

aye I know regarding Mutch, we're heavily reliant on him, I agree on that midfield trio though, Eikrem looks so influential yet calm on the ball, what you'd expect from Whittingham but moulded into our Norweigan dynamite

Eikrem Medel Mutch Kim .....Lush!!! Could transform our season. Oh ....and Daelhi yummy!