My Thoughts on BU March

How many went on march ?????????????????

Between 300-400 seems to be the figure most readily bandied about.

Alfie, I appreciate your trying to bang the BU drum, but those figures are way off the mark

Craig, I've already said that the turnout was disappointing. The figure of 300-400 came from one of the police liaison guys accompanying the march.

From an on looker you wouldn't say there was more than 200, that's what it looked like but as you said very poor turn out

A good post from BC.

BU from day one have aliened fans, Sian was one of the worse.

Until we all realise that wearing red is not a sin, ask those who wear it, why? they will say it's to support the team on the pitch, if your team wears red I see nothing wrong wearing red yourself, then ask them if the would prefer the team play in blue, 99% would say yes.

I see wearing red as endorsing Tan's rebrand though, so if you are against the rebrand or would prefer to see the club return to blue, I'd urge you to try and wear blue to support the message.

I wouldn't be telling you to do that though, each to their own & all that.

I can see your point but I see the point of those who wear red also. I've worn red but this season wear blue, I wear a BLUEBIRDS scarf not a red one. I don't see those who prefer to wear red as any less a fan.

The best idea I've seen is to ask fans to wear blue maybe a small flyer given out saying the aim is not to upset Tan or anyone in the club but to try PEACEFULLY to get fans wearing blue.

Tan out, dictator Tan or against modern football won't wash with most supporters.

I can see your point but I see the point of those who wear red also. I've worn red but this season wear blue, I wear a BLUEBIRDS scarf not a red one. I don't see those who prefer to wear red as any less a fan.

The best idea I've seen is to ask fans to wear blue maybe a small flyer given out saying the aim is not to upset Tan or anyone in the club but to try PEACEFULLY to get fans wearing blue.

Tan out, dictator Tan or against modern football won't wash with most supporters.

I've never said anyone wearing red as a lesser fan, though I can't understand why grown men would do it.. Just my opinion.

Anyone actively wearing red cannot then go and say they are against the rebrand.. That would just be farcical. If you'd like to see CCFC to return to blue, then not wearing red to games is the first step you must take.

A good post from BC.

BU from day one have aliened fans, Sian was one of the worse.

Until we all realise that wearing red is not a sin, ask those who wear it, why? they will say it's to support the team on the pitch, if your team wears red I see nothing wrong wearing red yourself, then ask them if the would prefer the team play in blue, 99% would say yes.

I see wearing red as endorsing Tan's rebrand though, so if you are against the rebrand or would prefer to see the club return to blue, I'd urge you to try and wear blue to support the message.

I wouldn't be telling you to do that though, each to their own & all that.

I can see your point but I see the point of those who wear red also. I've worn red but this season wear blue, I wear a BLUEBIRDS scarf not a red one. I don't see those who prefer to wear red as any less a fan.

The best idea I've seen is to ask fans to wear blue maybe a small flyer given out saying the aim is not to upset Tan or anyone in the club but to try PEACEFULLY to get fans wearing blue.

Tan out, dictator Tan or against modern football won't wash with most supporters.

I agree with you that asking fans politely to leave the red gear on the shelves or at home would be a really good idea if it was delivered as a joint statement issued by all of the main bodies representing Cardiff City supporters.

It needn't be too prescriptive either. Something along the lines of "Whilst respecting fully the rights of fans to choose what colours they wear, we politely request that if your long term goal is a return of our traditional identity, together let's make all Cardiff City matches a sea of blue."

Would anyone really be offended if a public statement saying something similar was issued jointly by the heads of CCSC/CCST/BU/AAMB and CCMB?

Yesterday was the 1st day that I was actually embarressed to be a supporter of BU...

The fact that there wasn't anywhere near the amount of people that usually turn up was only the first part that I disliked.

1) Some dude who clearly had too much to drink turned up (never seen him before) - He had a can stuffed in every pocket that he had. A minibus drove past us (not even containing Man Utd fans, not that that would of made it right) and he threw the can at the bus window. The driver stopped and he ran up to the bus trying to start on the driver

2) Tan Out chants - Don't get me wrong, I have no respect for Tan but fans shouldn't be so narrow minded. I would happily respect VT if he returned us to blue. The group started off as pure Cardiff City's "History - Identity - Pride" and that is the reason I supported BU. I don't like VT and would be much happier if he left but if he is to stay then he needs to change us back to blue - it would stop all of the negativity and he would become a king to all of our fans.

3) Sit In - Wow. There can't of been more than 40 of us there. Chants ranged from "We'll always be blue" to "We want Tan Out" and I left the sit in as soon as those chants came out. The banner with "Tan Out" was shocking too - Especially as BU always state that getting Tan out is not their vision for the future.

I will continue to attend meetings to see their views and next steps and will always support Sian Branson. However, I won't be attending another march purely because I quite simply felt like a hooligan/yob walking next to some people. How there were no arrests - I will never know.

I heard that Annis is planning something, I'll keep my eyes peeled for that one. However, there will ALWAYS be the certain few individuals that spoil it for everyone. You can't kick out fans who have more extreme views to groups and you certainly can't stop anyone from attending any events.

A good post from BC.

BU from day one have aliened fans, Sian was one of the worse.

Until we all realise that wearing red is not a sin, ask those who wear it, why? they will say it's to support the team on the pitch, if your team wears red I see nothing wrong wearing red yourself, then ask them if the would prefer the team play in blue, 99% would say yes.

I see wearing red as endorsing Tan's rebrand though, so if you are against the rebrand or would prefer to see the club return to blue, I'd urge you to try and wear blue to support the message.

I wouldn't be telling you to do that though, each to their own & all that.

I can see your point but I see the point of those who wear red also. I've worn red but this season wear blue, I wear a BLUEBIRDS scarf not a red one. I don't see those who prefer to wear red as any less a fan.

The best idea I've seen is to ask fans to wear blue maybe a small flyer given out saying the aim is not to upset Tan or anyone in the club but to try PEACEFULLY to get fans wearing blue.

Tan out, dictator Tan or against modern football won't wash with most supporters.

I agree with you that asking fans politely to leave the red gear on the shelves or at home would be a really good idea if it was delivered as a joint statement issued by all of the main bodies representing Cardiff City supporters.

It needn't be too prescriptive either. Something along the lines of "Whilst respecting fully the rights of fans to choose what colours they wear, we politely request that if your long term goal is a return of our traditional identity, together let's make all Cardiff City matches a sea of blue."

Would anyone really be offended if a public statement saying something similar was issued jointly by the heads of CCSC/CCST/AAMB and CCMB?

just edited that for you Alf.
No room for Bu ,their finished.

A good post from BC.

BU from day one have aliened fans, Sian was one of the worse.

Until we all realise that wearing red is not a sin, ask those who wear it, why? they will say it's to support the team on the pitch, if your team wears red I see nothing wrong wearing red yourself, then ask them if the would prefer the team play in blue, 99% would say yes.

I see wearing red as endorsing Tan's rebrand though, so if you are against the rebrand or would prefer to see the club return to blue, I'd urge you to try and wear blue to support the message.

I wouldn't be telling you to do that though, each to their own & all that.

I can see your point but I see the point of those who wear red also. I've worn red but this season wear blue, I wear a BLUEBIRDS scarf not a red one. I don't see those who prefer to wear red as any less a fan.

The best idea I've seen is to ask fans to wear blue maybe a small flyer given out saying the aim is not to upset Tan or anyone in the club but to try PEACEFULLY to get fans wearing blue.

Tan out, dictator Tan or against modern football won't wash with most supporters.

I agree with you that asking fans politely to leave the red gear on the shelves or at home would be a really good idea if it was delivered as a joint statement issued by all of the main bodies representing Cardiff City supporters.

It needn't be too prescriptive either. Something along the lines of "Whilst respecting fully the rights of fans to choose what colours they wear, we politely request that if your long term goal is a return of our traditional identity, together let's make all Cardiff City matches a sea of blue."

Would anyone really be offended if a public statement saying something similar was issued jointly by the heads of CCSC/CCST/AAMB and CCMB?

just edited that for you Alf.
No room for Bu ,their finished.

I think that all supporters should be given a double sides car before entering the turnstiles.
On one side of the card, there would be blue - on the other there should be red.
That is the only way where everyone in the ground can vote on what colour they want.

However, the club certainly won't pay for that and it would cost a fair few pounds to create 25,000 odd cards (not for away fans obviously)

A good post from BC.

BU from day one have aliened fans, Sian was one of the worse.

Until we all realise that wearing red is not a sin, ask those who wear it, why? they will say it's to support the team on the pitch, if your team wears red I see nothing wrong wearing red yourself, then ask them if the would prefer the team play in blue, 99% would say yes.

I see wearing red as endorsing Tan's rebrand though, so if you are against the rebrand or would prefer to see the club return to blue, I'd urge you to try and wear blue to support the message.

I wouldn't be telling you to do that though, each to their own & all that.

I can see your point but I see the point of those who wear red also. I've worn red but this season wear blue, I wear a BLUEBIRDS scarf not a red one. I don't see those who prefer to wear red as any less a fan.

The best idea I've seen is to ask fans to wear blue maybe a small flyer given out saying the aim is not to upset Tan or anyone in the club but to try PEACEFULLY to get fans wearing blue.

Tan out, dictator Tan or against modern football won't wash with most supporters.

I agree with you that asking fans politely to leave the red gear on the shelves or at home would be a really good idea if it was delivered as a joint statement issued by all of the main bodies representing Cardiff City supporters.

It needn't be too prescriptive either. Something along the lines of "Whilst respecting fully the rights of fans to choose what colours they wear, we politely request that if your long term goal is a return of our traditional identity, together let's make all Cardiff City matches a sea of blue."

Would anyone really be offended if a public statement saying something similar was issued jointly by the heads of CCSC/CCST/AAMB and CCMB?

just edited that for you Alf.
No room for Bu ,their finished.

Sian Branson has done more than most, particularly in relation to the rebrand, to earn her place at the 'top table' too. Just my opinion.

A good post from BC.

BU from day one have aliened fans, Sian was one of the worse.

Until we all realise that wearing red is not a sin, ask those who wear it, why? they will say it's to support the team on the pitch, if your team wears red I see nothing wrong wearing red yourself, then ask them if the would prefer the team play in blue, 99% would say yes.

I see wearing red as endorsing Tan's rebrand though, so if you are against the rebrand or would prefer to see the club return to blue, I'd urge you to try and wear blue to support the message.

I wouldn't be telling you to do that though, each to their own & all that.

I can see your point but I see the point of those who wear red also. I've worn red but this season wear blue, I wear a BLUEBIRDS scarf not a red one. I don't see those who prefer to wear red as any less a fan.

The best idea I've seen is to ask fans to wear blue maybe a small flyer given out saying the aim is not to upset Tan or anyone in the club but to try PEACEFULLY to get fans wearing blue.

Tan out, dictator Tan or against modern football won't wash with most supporters.

I agree with you that asking fans politely to leave the red gear on the shelves or at home would be a really good idea if it was delivered as a joint statement issued by all of the main bodies representing Cardiff City supporters.

It needn't be too prescriptive either. Something along the lines of "Whilst respecting fully the rights of fans to choose what colours they wear, we politely request that if your long term goal is a return of our traditional identity, together let's make all Cardiff City matches a sea of blue."

Would anyone really be offended if a public statement saying something similar was issued jointly by the heads of CCSC/CCST/AAMB and CCMB?

just edited that for you Alf.
No room for Bu ,their finished.

Sian Branson has done more than most, particularly in relation to the rebrand, to earn her place at the 'top table' too. Just my opinion.

And there, in a nutshell is what its really been about

A good post from BC.

BU from day one have aliened fans, Sian was one of the worse.

Until we all realise that wearing red is not a sin, ask those who wear it, why? they will say it's to support the team on the pitch, if your team wears red I see nothing wrong wearing red yourself, then ask them if the would prefer the team play in blue, 99% would say yes.

I see wearing red as endorsing Tan's rebrand though, so if you are against the rebrand or would prefer to see the club return to blue, I'd urge you to try and wear blue to support the message.

I wouldn't be telling you to do that though, each to their own & all that.

I can see your point but I see the point of those who wear red also. I've worn red but this season wear blue, I wear a BLUEBIRDS scarf not a red one. I don't see those who prefer to wear red as any less a fan.

The best idea I've seen is to ask fans to wear blue maybe a small flyer given out saying the aim is not to upset Tan or anyone in the club but to try PEACEFULLY to get fans wearing blue.

Tan out, dictator Tan or against modern football won't wash with most supporters.

I agree with you that asking fans politely to leave the red gear on the shelves or at home would be a really good idea if it was delivered as a joint statement issued by all of the main bodies representing Cardiff City supporters.

It needn't be too prescriptive either. Something along the lines of "Whilst respecting fully the rights of fans to choose what colours they wear, we politely request that if your long term goal is a return of our traditional identity, together let's make all Cardiff City matches a sea of blue."

Would anyone really be offended if a public statement saying something similar was issued jointly by the heads of CCSC/CCST/AAMB and CCMB?

just edited that for you Alf.
No room for Bu ,their finished.

Sian Branson has done more than most, particularly in relation to the rebrand, to earn her place at the 'top table' too. Just my opinion.

And there, in a nutshell is what its really been about

Spot on Graig, if that is what it is about to earn her place at the top table, that says it it all

She deserves nothing.She had her chance and she BLUE it.

She deserves nothing.She had her chance and she BLUE it.

BU have made mistakes, no question. In my opinion, the Facebook page has been the organisations Achilles heel, almost from the off.

That does not, however, detract from the fact and it is a fact, that Sian Branson has tried, valiantly and in the face of deeply unpleasant personal abuse, to make a difference. You can by all means question the way that she's tried to do things but, and once again it's a personal opinion, she's got a lot more right than wrong.

I have got to know Sian reasonably well over the past few months and she is a person of integrity who was brave enough to stick her head above the parapet in the first instance. She has my respect.

A good post from BC.

BU from day one have aliened fans, Sian was one of the worse.

Until we all realise that wearing red is not a sin, ask those who wear it, why? they will say it's to support the team on the pitch, if your team wears red I see nothing wrong wearing red yourself, then ask them if the would prefer the team play in blue, 99% would say yes.

I see wearing red as endorsing Tan's rebrand though, so if you are against the rebrand or would prefer to see the club return to blue, I'd urge you to try and wear blue to support the message.

I wouldn't be telling you to do that though, each to their own & all that.

I can see your point but I see the point of those who wear red also. I've worn red but this season wear blue, I wear a BLUEBIRDS scarf not a red one. I don't see those who prefer to wear red as any less a fan.

The best idea I've seen is to ask fans to wear blue maybe a small flyer given out saying the aim is not to upset Tan or anyone in the club but to try PEACEFULLY to get fans wearing blue.

Tan out, dictator Tan or against modern football won't wash with most supporters.

I agree with you that asking fans politely to leave the red gear on the shelves or at home would be a really good idea if it was delivered as a joint statement issued by all of the main bodies representing Cardiff City supporters.

It needn't be too prescriptive either. Something along the lines of "Whilst respecting fully the rights of fans to choose what colours they wear, we politely request that if your long term goal is a return of our traditional identity, together let's make all Cardiff City matches a sea of blue."

Would anyone really be offended if a public statement saying something similar was issued jointly by the heads of CCSC/CCST/AAMB and CCMB?

just edited that for you Alf.
No room for Bu ,their finished.

Sian Branson has done more than most, particularly in relation to the rebrand, to earn her place at the 'top table' too. Just my opinion.

And there, in a nutshell is what its really been about

In a sense that she is the front of an organisation that represents a decent number of fans, yes.

The only thing can is scared of is direct action, that is what the BU specialize in. Wearing blue to games and singing we will always be blue won't matter a jot. Sadly the real fight for blue is dying, Tan sits back and relaxes tonight.

The only thing can is scared of is direct action, that is what the BU specialize in. Wearing blue to games and singing we will always be blue won't matter a jot. Sadly the real fight for blue is dying, Tan sits back and relaxes tonight.

So how can people singing about Tan's looks and dress sense bring blue back? That's what happened yesterday on the march. It was a small minority, admittedly - but it still happened.

I want blue back - but for me BU are going about it totally the wrong way. I had a look at the facebook page earlier for the first time in a while & it is full of stuff like: -

"The RED fans won't be here for long."

"Sold down the river by our own."

"Reds are only there for the opposition."

Now, I cannot fathom why any adult would ever wear red, but to divide the fanbase even further than it is already & alienate the very fans that they should be trying to get on board, is going to ruin BU before anything is done.

BU should be trying to get these fans on board with their ideas & unite the fanbase against Tan's decision - hence their name surely?

Not to mention the minibus that was struck by a can from the march, for daring to question BU stance.

Not to mention the minibus that was struck by a can from the march, for daring to question BU stance.

Not to mention the minibus that was struck by a can from the march, for daring to question BU stance.

It was said on here last night by a guy on the march and next to the person who threw it that a guy said from the minibus "red or blue we are all cardiff city fans"

Not to mention the minibus that was struck by a can from the march, for daring to question BU stance.

Yes, allegedly a minibus travelling to the game was struck by a can after someone shouted out of the window "we are all fans, blue or red!".

I didn't see it directly, but have been told by someone that was on the minibus - can't imagine that they'd make something up like that.

That, along with some of the very distasteful songs that were sung, has made sure that I won't be marching with BU again - until they get their aims sorted... I wanted to ignore all the differing opinions & just concentrate on marching for blue - but I was in a small minority. Pretty much the whole of BU want Tan Out.

Think one thing everyone can agree on is that Cardiff City should play in Blue with the original Crest.

Not replying just to be awkward......

But, I'd be happy with a change in badge as long as it was done with good logic and keeping the Bluebird as the prominent feature. Doing something with the Welsh Dragon and Bluebird would be fine in my view.......that's featured on original badge any how's.

Also, by looking at this current regime as one of the most successful of our history........I'd consider a red stripe to go down one side of a Blue jersey. Not only relevant but, would give us a unique edge too.

First and foremost, Blue to be returned and our Bluebird to take centre stage.

No that's just being awkward .

I am glad Barry has now identified the problem. The antagonistic tone in their literature immediately caused a divide. They totally misjudged the situation.

If this was a business you would sack the board and head hunt a new executive team, their message needs to drastically change. We all want blue, some bought into red because its the home kit and they always buy the new strip. If we went blue next season they would buy it because its the home strip, not because they hate blue or love tan.

BU need to convince the red wearers even for a game to forego wearing red replica and even red coats/ jackets for a live sky game. Tan needs to understand we haven't bought into red and we won't. So for the sake of unity he needs for the IPO he needs to get the fans back on board. Slagging off fellow fans in a condescending arrogant manner has totally failed.

Any sign of him coming to the table would be a massive step in the right direction.

Have seen many Red&Blue Combos that I like.

[quote="llan bluebird"

If this was a business you would sack the board and head hunt a new executive team, their message needs to drastically change. We all want blue,
we all want blue is where i think they got the Unite bit of the name from.
then forgot what exactly UNITED us all.
all this talk about places at the top table, it shouldnt be about individuals,should only be about the colour.
i hope who ever does pick up the baton distances themselves from BU ,clearly states its aims.and sticks to them.

Is there actually any city fan new or old that does not want to return to blue ?

So BU have blown it so it seems. That is a shame if true,

So where do we go from here or is the fight lost?

Moving on and away from BU.
Ian, the fight is not lost, BLUE is the main colour by our fans at away games by far, also at home games it is increasing every home game.
A meeting with the Supporters Club/Trust/This Forum/Mikes Forum is going to be arranged and some good plans are going to be put in place

We have a manager/team to support and we can all do it together, but hopefully all in BLUE eventually

I have always been an advocate for a collective union of all the Cardiff City Supporters clubs & the Supporters Trust to get together & try to move things forward. Together, & with all the high profile supporters within those different groups, i believe would make a huge difference.

Its time for an All Supporter Cardiff City Unite,,,, one that does not alienate, belittle, insult, & degrade fans just because they may have a different point of view.

So BU have blown it so it seems. That is a shame if true,

So where do we go from here or is the fight lost?

Moving on and away from BU.
Ian, the fight is not lost, BLUE is the main colour by our fans at away games by far, also at home games it is increasing every home game.
A meeting with the Supporters Club/Trust/This Forum/Mikes Forum is going to be arranged and some good plans are going to be put in place

We have a manager/team to support and we can all do it together, but hopefully all in BLUE eventually

TOGETHER.......a word BU neglected.

Sounds like a group we can all support

Being a staunch bluebird who wants the color and original badge back I went to see what the BU was about for myself after reading so much on here about it myself and my 2 daughters went to see what it was about in reality i walked along with them, I found their actions very questionable from racist chants to wanting Tan out it was ridiculous the original statement of only wanting blue has gone

I was around to watch what was going on and it was pathetic.

Hywel Gronow is a muppet. I had to move from my usual place in 112 to get away from him last season.

I wasn't happy about the switch to red but I can accept it since Tan avoided us from a winding up order and and brought in the changes to get us up to the Prem. And let's face it that's where we want to be.

As they sat around like children shouting Tan out, then came the best bit of comedy. As Kim and Medel came out for a warm-down lap they got up and cheered them. They were signed by Tan and play in red. Idiots.

One guy even said to a steward he would rather see us in Div3 in blue than in the Prem in red. Then what's he doing in the stadium?

BU is over. Red is here to stay. You don't have to embrace it but accept it like the rest of us.
Get behind your team because it's the atmosphere in the CCS that is creating fear in many of the big clubs as Keown mentioned on Football Focus.

As someone who is keen to see Cardiff City return to blue, I've been supporting BU in their quest of doing so & today went along to the march held before the game.

I marched today. I have disagreed with a few things that BU have done, but looked beyond that and went along as I want blue back & wanted to do something to air that view. Many are looking for the "perfect protest", which is simply impossible - as everyone has different views.

Sadly, today's march has given me a different view of BU & it is not in favour of BU.

I arrived at the castle with a friend and we were greeted warmly by some other fans. I asked some questions to other fans about Tan & I was given the distinct impression that if I didn't want Tan out, then I wasn't really welcome on the march.

Ignoring this, I marched anyway. It begun well enough (apart from someone's child in a full red strip in the middle of the photo opportunities! ). It soon became apparent that the march wasn't about blue, but about TAN OUT.

To the several people who I have discussed this with over the past week or so, I apologise (Craig, Mario Polotelli et al) - as you were right & I was wrong. BU is about getting Tan Out, which is not the right way to go.

The songs sung went from singing about Swansea (why? totally pointless) to calling Tan a ladyboy and songs with a racist element.

The plan was to stop at the Ninian gates and tie blue scarves, posters, shirts, banners etc to the gates - great idea I thought... except that the gates were pretty much bypassed & headed straight for the grandstand.

Crowds quickly dispersed from there & we were left with a few climbing on the Keenor statue (and we have a go at Tan for disrespecting CCFC history?!) & it fizzled out.

BU had much promise, but I fear that today's event did it far more damage than good.

Apology accepted Barry, no worries.

About time you smelled the Coffee mate. We all want Blue, but Tan out is the wrong approach. Tan has done a lot of good things for our club.

Apology accepted Barry, no worries.

About time you smelled the Coffee mate. We all want Blue, but Tan out is the wrong approach. Tan has done a lot of good things for our club.

there was no apology for you. Nothing to do with smelling any coffee. BU has changed its stance recently - it wasn't always like this.