I’d rather be in the Conference than owned by Vincent Tan.

Got to love the jack. They bought the winning lottery ticket and now feel they have the right to preach. We both had similar circumstances, skint in the dungeon. They took one direction and with a fair bit of luck and good judgment to be fair hit the jackpot.
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But please don't preach about losing identity. When the vetch went and you loaned a council pitch (a bit like Poncanna really). You lost a chunk of your identity as well. Did Swansea lose any identity back in the 60's when they changed their name form Town to City ?

Cardiff City was one of the last bastions of old school football, the moved killed the old school not Vincent Tan.

Totally agree with you

A superb article from the Wrexham fan who sums up the way other fans see your new club.

If/when you go down and start to sink you will look back and wonder what the hell happened to your old club.

You're not Cardiff City anymore. You've been turned into a franchise. You'll soon be Cardiff Dragons or whatever Tan wants. It's amazing that you're letting it happen. So many blinkered views on here, it's unreal.

If you're in League 2 playing in red, will that be ok? Or is it just ok to sell your soul for the Premier League? Pathetic.

With regards to "Swansea killed off local businesses", yet another lie that's spewed out by the more brainless cardiff fans. Just remember how much debt we were in back then. A tiny slither of the amount that you have built up over the years.

As much as I hate the fact we play in red, we're still Cardiff City you condescending gypo c**t.
Now f**k off back to your own forum

Charming. Typical response. You're no longer the same club.

What would you f*cking know

It's pretty obvious. The visit to your stadium the other week showed me everything I needed to know.

Cardiff City in name, only. And that could even change soon.

What the visit when we smashed you on the pitch and out sang you off it LOL so are Swansea the same club ? You dont even own a stadium bloody gypo.s

I don't quite know what that's got to do with anything but yes it was when you beat us. Well done on that, in your cup final. It's actually a weird feeling this season. Usually, in the past 15 years or so anyway, the derby was the one thing that mattered most. We had to beat you lot. I honestly thought I'd be more gutted at the fact we lost to you. It was a long journey home, I won't lie, but i'm not too bothered about it. It seems the roles have well and truly reversed due to us getting promoted two seasons ago.

We don't own our stadium? So what has that got to do with it? There are huge clubs around Europe that don't own their own ground.

Do you own yours then? Serious question. Could you sell it off if you wanted to or is the land leased?

Are we still the same club? Well, we've risen up the leagues without the help of a billionaire and are now the number one team in Wales again. We still play in White and we are owned and run by supporters. So I guess, yes. Yes we are. Same old Swansea.

Funny isn't it, whenever a team loses a derby, it suddenly doesn't matter as much.

A superb article from the Wrexham fan who sums up the way other fans see your new club.
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If/when you go down and start to sink you will look back and wonder what the hell happened to your old club.

You're not Cardiff City anymore. You've been turned into a franchise. You'll soon be Cardiff Dragons or whatever Tan wants. It's amazing that you're letting it happen. So many blinkered views on here, it's unreal.

If you're in League 2 playing in red, will that be ok? Or is it just ok to sell your soul for the Premier League? Pathetic.

With regards to "Swansea killed off local businesses", yet another lie that's spewed out by the more brainless cardiff fans. Just remember how much debt we were in back then. A tiny slither of the amount that you have built up over the years.

As much as I hate the fact we play in red, we're still Cardiff City you condescending gypo c**t.
Now f**k off back to your own forum

Charming. Typical response. You're no longer the same club.

What would you f*cking know

It's pretty obvious. The visit to your stadium the other week showed me everything I needed to know.

Cardiff City in name, only. And that could even change soon.

What the visit when we smashed you on the pitch and out sang you off it LOL so are Swansea the same club ? You dont even own a stadium bloody gypo.s

I don't quite know what that's got to do with anything but yes it was when you beat us. Well done on that, in your cup final. It's actually a weird feeling this season. Usually, in the past 15 years or so anyway, the derby was the one thing that mattered most. We had to beat you lot. I honestly thought I'd be more gutted at the fact we lost to you. It was a long journey home, I won't lie, but i'm not too bothered about it. It seems the roles have well and truly reversed due to us getting promoted two seasons ago.

We don't own our stadium? So what has that got to do with it? There are huge clubs around Europe that don't own their own ground.

Do you own yours then? Serious question. Could you sell it off if you wanted to or is the land leased?

Are we still the same club? Well, we've risen up the leagues without the help of a billionaire and are now the number one team in Wales again. We still play in White and we are owned and run by supporters. So I guess, yes. Yes we are. Same old Swansea.

Yes we own our own stadium ,how are you the no 1 team in wales ,stats don't lie ,head to head we.have the upper hand and we have been in a higher division then you for 2 thirds of our history lol you jacks just can't admit that you have always been in our shadows on and off the pitch ,I wonder why so many of you post on our website havnt.you.got your own one ?

Not bothered about our rivalry, yet spends hours on here trying to get fans biting... What a hypocrite!

A superb article from the Wrexham fan who sums up the way other fans see your new club.

If/when you go down and start to sink you will look back and wonder what the hell happened to your old club.

You're not Cardiff City anymore. You've been turned into a franchise. You'll soon be Cardiff Dragons or whatever Tan wants. It's amazing that you're letting it happen. So many blinkered views on here, it's unreal.

If you're in League 2 playing in red, will that be ok? Or is it just ok to sell your soul for the Premier League? Pathetic.

With regards to "Swansea killed off local businesses", yet another lie that's spewed out by the more brainless cardiff fans. Just remember how much debt we were in back then. A tiny slither of the amount that you have built up over the years.

As much as I hate the fact we play in red, we're still Cardiff City you condescending gypo c**t.
Now f**k off back to your own forum

Charming. Typical response. You're no longer the same club.

What would you f*cking know

It's pretty obvious. The visit to your stadium the other week showed me everything I needed to know.

Cardiff City in name, only. And that could even change soon.

Yeah cos visiting the Liberty is the same as visiting the old Vetch

Weve got a foreign owner, youve got a team full of foreigners. Big deal.

Not bothered about our rivalry, yet spends hours on here trying to get fans biting... What a hypocrite!

A superb article from the Wrexham fan who sums up the way other fans see your new club.
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If/when you go down and start to sink you will look back and wonder what the hell happened to your old club.

You're not Cardiff City anymore. You've been turned into a franchise. You'll soon be Cardiff Dragons or whatever Tan wants. It's amazing that you're letting it happen. So many blinkered views on here, it's unreal.

If you're in League 2 playing in red, will that be ok? Or is it just ok to sell your soul for the Premier League? Pathetic.

With regards to "Swansea killed off local businesses", yet another lie that's spewed out by the more brainless cardiff fans. Just remember how much debt we were in back then. A tiny slither of the amount that you have built up over the years.

As much as I hate the fact we play in red, we're still Cardiff City you condescending gypo c**t.
Now f**k off back to your own forum

Charming. Typical response. You're no longer the same club.

What would you f*cking know

It's pretty obvious. The visit to your stadium the other week showed me everything I needed to know.

Cardiff City in name, only. And that could even change soon.

What the visit when we smashed you on the pitch and out sang you off it LOL so are Swansea the same club ? You dont even own a stadium bloody gypo.s

I don't quite know what that's got to do with anything but yes it was when you beat us. Well done on that, in your cup final. It's actually a weird feeling this season. Usually, in the past 15 years or so anyway, the derby was the one thing that mattered most. We had to beat you lot. I honestly thought I'd be more gutted at the fact we lost to you. It was a long journey home, I won't lie, but i'm not too bothered about it. It seems the roles have well and truly reversed due to us getting promoted two seasons ago.

We don't own our stadium? So what has that got to do with it? There are huge clubs around Europe that don't own their own ground.

Do you own yours then? Serious question. Could you sell it off if you wanted to or is the land leased?

Are we still the same club? Well, we've risen up the leagues without the help of a billionaire and are now the number one team in Wales again. We still play in White and we are owned and run by supporters. So I guess, yes. Yes we are. Same old Swansea.

Yes we own our own stadium ,how are you the no 1 team in wales ,stats don't lie ,head to head we.have the upper hand and we have been in a higher division then you for 2 thirds of our history lol you jacks just can't admit that you have always been in our shadows on and off the pitch ,I wonder why so many of you post on our website havnt.you.got your own one ?

We are the Number 1 team in Wales at the moment. I think most fans would agree with that. We are now in our third season in this division and playing in Europe after winning a major trophy last season. You know the rest, i'm not going to state the obvious.

Head to head record? That's stats over the past 100 years. Brilliant! How is that relevant? If you really want to discuss H2H records then we have a better H2H record against you in the League, FA cup and League Cup. The only thing you have over us is the Welsh cup. Where it actually matters, our record is better.

Yep, I do post on the Swans forums too. And if you look at my join-date, it's 2010. So I've hardly been living on this forum with 60 odd posts.

A superb article from the Wrexham fan who sums up the way other fans see your new club.

If/when you go down and start to sink you will look back and wonder what the hell happened to your old club.

You're not Cardiff City anymore. You've been turned into a franchise. You'll soon be Cardiff Dragons or whatever Tan wants. It's amazing that you're letting it happen. So many blinkered views on here, it's unreal.

If you're in League 2 playing in red, will that be ok? Or is it just ok to sell your soul for the Premier League? Pathetic.

With regards to "Swansea killed off local businesses", yet another lie that's spewed out by the more brainless cardiff fans. Just remember how much debt we were in back then. A tiny slither of the amount that you have built up over the years.

As much as I hate the fact we play in red, we're still Cardiff City you condescending gypo c**t.
Now f**k off back to your own forum

Charming. Typical response. You're no longer the same club.

What would you f*cking know

It's pretty obvious. The visit to your stadium the other week showed me everything I needed to know.

Cardiff City in name, only. And that could even change soon.

Yeah cos visiting the Liberty is the same as visiting the old Vetch

Weve got a foreign owner, youve got a team full of foreigners. Big deal.

Hmm. Not quite that simple, is it?

You forgot the rebrand part.

Back on topic. The Premier league will be your downfall with regards to getting your blue back.

I think that the longer you stay here, the more plastic fans will be at your club who aren't so fussed on the whole blue/red debate.

When we hounded Petty out of our club it was back in the dark days when we had a smaller fan-base who all really cared. The problem you have is that the ones who are passionate about the rebrand aren't in large enough numbers. Far too many people are buying the red merchandise and wearing the free red scarves.

If you find yourself in the Championship then you'll lose about 8k on the weekly attendance and there won't be as many plastics willing to take your place in the stands. Maybe then you'll have a chance. At the moment Tan can do, and is doing, whatever the hell he wants because if you don't attend the games then a plastic will.

Back on topic. The Premier league will be your downfall with regards to getting your blue back.

I think that the longer you stay here, the more plastic fans will be at your club who aren't so fussed on the whole blue/red debate.

When we hounded Petty out of our club it was back in the dark days when we had a smaller fan-base who all really cared. The problem you have is that the ones who are passionate about the rebrand aren't in large enough numbers. Far too many people are buying the red merchandise and wearing the free red scarves.

If you find yourself in the Championship then you'll lose about 8k on the weekly attendance and there won't be as many plastics willing to take your place in the stands. Maybe then you'll have a chance. At the moment Tan can do, and is doing, whatever the hell he wants because if you don't attend the games then a plastic will.

Very true, a lot have been blinded by success, some of the same people are moaning now we are losing though. Can't win.

Back on topic. The Premier league will be your downfall with regards to getting your blue back.

I think that the longer you stay here, the more plastic fans will be at your club who aren't so fussed on the whole blue/red debate.

When we hounded Petty out of our club it was back in the dark days when we had a smaller fan-base who all really cared. The problem you have is that the ones who are passionate about the rebrand aren't in large enough numbers. Far too many people are buying the red merchandise and wearing the free red scarves.

If you find yourself in the Championship then you'll lose about 8k on the weekly attendance and there won't be as many plastics willing to take your place in the stands. Maybe then you'll have a chance. At the moment Tan can do, and is doing, whatever the hell he wants because if you don't attend the games then a plastic will.

Very true, a lot have been blinded by success, some of the same people are moaning now we are losing though. Can't win.

Judging by your sig, I take it you don't go to games anymore? I take my hat off to you if that's the case. Like I said above though, the sad part is that your seat has been filled by a "Premier League at any cost" fan.

A superb article from the Wrexham fan who sums up the way other fans see your new club.

If/when you go down and start to sink you will look back and wonder what the hell happened to your old club.

You're not Cardiff City anymore. You've been turned into a franchise. You'll soon be Cardiff Dragons or whatever Tan wants. It's amazing that you're letting it happen. So many blinkered views on here, it's unreal.

If you're in League 2 playing in red, will that be ok? Or is it just ok to sell your soul for the Premier League? Pathetic.

With regards to "Swansea killed off local businesses", yet another lie that's spewed out by the more brainless cardiff fans. Just remember how much debt we were in back then. A tiny slither of the amount that you have built up over the years.

As much as I hate the fact we play in red, we're still Cardiff City you condescending gypo c**t.
Now f**k off back to your own forum

Charming. Typical response. You're no longer the same club.

What would you f*cking know

It's pretty obvious. The visit to your stadium the other week showed me everything I needed to know.

Cardiff City in name, only. And that could even change soon.

Yeah cos visiting the Liberty is the same as visiting the old Vetch

Weve got a foreign owner, youve got a team full of foreigners. Big deal.

Hmm. Not quite that simple, is it?

You forgot the rebrand part.

We play in a different colour. Not ideal but it dont mean we aint Cardiff City anymore.

Both clubs have changed beyond recognition, ours just a bit more due to the rebrandbut neither of the clubs are the same.

Ive never seen so many shirt wearers in your end as I did last derby game, looks to me like plenty of newbies have taken over your support as well.

Penguin, there's been a head-to-head very recently & the outcome of that blows your theory apart.... No wonder you play down it's importance.

Back on topic. The Premier league will be your downfall with regards to getting your blue back.

I think that the longer you stay here, the more plastic fans will be at your club who aren't so fussed on the whole blue/red debate.

When we hounded Petty out of our club it was back in the dark days when we had a smaller fan-base who all really cared. The problem you have is that the ones who are passionate about the rebrand aren't in large enough numbers. Far too many people are buying the red merchandise and wearing the free red scarves.

If you find yourself in the Championship then you'll lose about 8k on the weekly attendance and there won't be as many plastics willing to take your place in the stands. Maybe then you'll have a chance. At the moment Tan can do, and is doing, whatever the hell he wants because if you don't attend the games then a plastic will.

Very true, a lot have been blinded by success, some of the same people are moaning now we are losing though. Can't win.

Judging by your sig, I take it you don't go to games anymore? I take my hat off to you if that's the case. Like I said above though, the sad part is that your seat has been filled by a "Premier League at any cost" fan.

Dont be fooled Ely Boy was moaning about how he had enough of modern football long before the rebrand.

http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.ph ... sg_3982923

I think that it's too simple for other club's fans to say, "it would never happen here."

I do think that 'the perfect storm' was absolutely in place at Cardiff City, for a rebrand to take place, though. A club that had come agonisingly close to promotion for several seasons and had underperformed for two generations, a club whose hated rivals had got to 'the promised land' a year before, a club blighted by perilous finances, a large body of relatively new (previously transient) fans following the Wembley appearances, a huge catchment area to replace fans not prepared to buy into the rebrand. Having spoken to a number of long standing older supporters, there was also the feeling that this "was their last chance" to see top flight football in their respective lifetimes.

Everything was in place really.

Back on topic. The Premier league will be your downfall with regards to getting your blue back.

I think that the longer you stay here, the more plastic fans will be at your club who aren't so fussed on the whole blue/red debate.

When we hounded Petty out of our club it was back in the dark days when we had a smaller fan-base who all really cared. The problem you have is that the ones who are passionate about the rebrand aren't in large enough numbers. Far too many people are buying the red merchandise and wearing the free red scarves.

If you find yourself in the Championship then you'll lose about 8k on the weekly attendance and there won't be as many plastics willing to take your place in the stands. Maybe then you'll have a chance. At the moment Tan can do, and is doing, whatever the hell he wants because if you don't attend the games then a plastic will.

Very true, a lot have been blinded by success, some of the same people are moaning now we are losing though. Can't win.

Judging by your sig, I take it you don't go to games anymore? I take my hat off to you if that's the case. Like I said above though, the sad part is that your seat has been filled by a "Premier League at any cost" fan.

Not been since West Ham away in the playoffs mate.

Back on topic. The Premier league will be your downfall with regards to getting your blue back.

I think that the longer you stay here, the more plastic fans will be at your club who aren't so fussed on the whole blue/red debate.

When we hounded Petty out of our club it was back in the dark days when we had a smaller fan-base who all really cared. The problem you have is that the ones who are passionate about the rebrand aren't in large enough numbers. Far too many people are buying the red merchandise and wearing the free red scarves.

If you find yourself in the Championship then you'll lose about 8k on the weekly attendance and there won't be as many plastics willing to take your place in the stands. Maybe then you'll have a chance. At the moment Tan can do, and is doing, whatever the hell he wants because if you don't attend the games then a plastic will.

Very true, a lot have been blinded by success, some of the same people are moaning now we are losing though. Can't win.

Judging by your sig, I take it you don't go to games anymore? I take my hat off to you if that's the case. Like I said above though, the sad part is that your seat has been filled by a "Premier League at any cost" fan.

Dont be fooled Ely Boy was moaning about how he had enough of modern football long before the rebrand.

There's a difference between being Pissed off with modern football and not feeling like you have a club anymore

Got to love the jack. They bought the winning lottery ticket and now feel they have the right to preach. We both had similar circumstances, skint in the dungeon. They took one direction and with a fair bit of luck and good judgment to be fair hit the jackpot.

But please don't preach about losing identity. When the vetch went and you loaned a council pitch (a bit like Poncanna really). You lost a chunk of your identity as well. Did Swansea lose any identity back in the 60's when they changed their name form Town to City ?

Cardiff City was one of the last bastions of old school football, the moved killed the old school not Vincent Tan.

Did Swansea lose any identity back in the 60's when they changed their name form Town to City ?

You do know why this was done don't you?

Back on topic. The Premier league will be your downfall with regards to getting your blue back.

I think that the longer you stay here, the more plastic fans will be at your club who aren't so fussed on the whole blue/red debate.

When we hounded Petty out of our club it was back in the dark days when we had a smaller fan-base who all really cared. The problem you have is that the ones who are passionate about the rebrand aren't in large enough numbers. Far too many people are buying the red merchandise and wearing the free red scarves.

If you find yourself in the Championship then you'll lose about 8k on the weekly attendance and there won't be as many plastics willing to take your place in the stands. Maybe then you'll have a chance. At the moment Tan can do, and is doing, whatever the hell he wants because if you don't attend the games then a plastic will.

Very true, a lot have been blinded by success, some of the same people are moaning now we are losing though. Can't win.

Judging by your sig, I take it you don't go to games anymore? I take my hat off to you if that's the case. Like I said above though, the sad part is that your seat has been filled by a "Premier League at any cost" fan.

Dont be fooled Ely Boy was moaning about how he had enough of modern football long before the rebrand.

There's a difference between being Pissed off with modern football and not feeling like you have a club anymore

I agree with you fella, not to the extreme where the colour change has stopped me going, but I dont get the same buzz from football anymore, and wasnt getting it long before the rebrand.

Back on topic. The Premier league will be your downfall with regards to getting your blue back.

I think that the longer you stay here, the more plastic fans will be at your club who aren't so fussed on the whole blue/red debate.

When we hounded Petty out of our club it was back in the dark days when we had a smaller fan-base who all really cared. The problem you have is that the ones who are passionate about the rebrand aren't in large enough numbers. Far too many people are buying the red merchandise and wearing the free red scarves.

If you find yourself in the Championship then you'll lose about 8k on the weekly attendance and there won't be as many plastics willing to take your place in the stands. Maybe then you'll have a chance. At the moment Tan can do, and is doing, whatever the hell he wants because if you don't attend the games then a plastic will.

Very true, a lot have been blinded by success, some of the same people are moaning now we are losing though. Can't win.

Judging by your sig, I take it you don't go to games anymore? I take my hat off to you if that's the case. Like I said above though, the sad part is that your seat has been filled by a "Premier League at any cost" fan.

Dont be fooled Ely Boy was moaning about how he had enough of modern football long before the rebrand.

There's a difference between being Pissed off with modern football and not feeling like you have a club anymore

I agree with you fella, not to the extreme where the colour change has stopped me going, but I dont get the same buzz from football anymore, and wasnt getting it long before the rebrand.

it wasnt the same after leaving Ninian, we left a big part there. But we all knew it would happen and we had no choice.

The rebrand was completely unnecessary, and it alienated fans. I can honestly say that I tried to get along with it, accept the beermat and the colour change, but its impossible for me. It literally hurts me seeing our team in alien colours. It doesnt look or feel like Cardiff anymore, plus that clown in red with his pants under his pits, who looks like a poor animator in a cheap chinese holiday camp. Listening to Vincent the Red Clown saying "we will always be red" makes my blood boil, would love to smash him.
Therefore a complete boycott is the only solution for me, no tickets, not even watching games on TV or the internet. Rather keep the good times in blue in my memory, when we travelled to support our boys under our blue banner, with our badge. When we made Ninian our fortress, other teams were almost scared when entering Sloper Road. Of course there were bad games as well, bad times, bad atmosphere etc... but those were our times.
I could identify with the club 100% back then... Impossible nowadays...

it wasnt the same after leaving Ninian, we left a big part there. But we all knew it would happen and we had no choice.

The rebrand was completely unnecessary, and it alienated fans. I can honestly say that I tried to get along with it, accept the beermat and the colour change, but its impossible for me. It literally hurts me seeing our team in alien colours. It doesnt look or feel like Cardiff anymore, plus that clown in red with his pants under his pits, who looks like a poor animator in a cheap chinese holiday camp. Listening to Vincent the Red Clown saying "we will always be red" makes my blood boil, would love to smash him.
Therefore a complete boycott is the only solution for me, no tickets, not even watching games on TV or the internet. Rather keep the good times in blue in my memory, when we travelled to support our boys under our blue banner, with our badge. When we made Ninian our fortress, other teams were almost scared when entering Sloper Road. Of course there were bad games as well, bad times, bad atmosphere etc... but those were our times.
I could identify with the club 100% back then... Impossible nowadays...

Spot on as usual mate!