The Jacks when they finally came in full force to Cardiff

In my opinion in the 80s cardiff had the bigger mob as they come in separate mobs from allover, however I allso believe we had the better.
Yes there might have been times when groups of cardiff walked around and didnt see nothing but do u think that we had nothing? ? Realy.
In the days of no mobile phones everything was word and mouth.
Every time we played you it kicked off somewhere and u certainly didnt run us.
But off course im talking as our main lads who met up early and waited to here of where u were ie 91 the kings high st b4 the game and the running battles in the side streets wile the police escorted u down towards the mumbles rd and we were down the side streets.
Thats when bothe sets come face to face and there was running battles it seemed down each st.
You allways out numbered us yes but u never run us.
Good days that I miss but had to move on.

In my opinion in the 80s cardiff had the bigger mob as they come in separate mobs from allover, however I allso believe we had the better.
Yes there might have been times when groups of cardiff walked around and didnt see nothing but do u think that we had nothing? ? Realy.
In the days of no mobile phones everything was word and mouth.
Every time we played you it kicked off somewhere and u certainly didnt run us.
But off course im talking as our main lads who met up early and waited to here of where u were ie 91 the kings high st b4 the game and the running battles in the side streets wile the police escorted u down towards the mumbles rd and we were down the side streets.
Thats when bothe sets come face to face and there was running battles it seemed down each st.
You allways out numbered us yes but u never run us.
Good days that I miss but had to move on.

your obviously gonna say you were a better mob but self praise is no praise its not for you to decide its for other mobs, and when nearly every football lad put cardiff in there top 5 then that should be the answer

But annis again u miss the point of limos
It was a bubble trip and we hierd 5 limos to come into cardiff from different ways and all meet up at a certain place tolt to us by some one in your firm.
We got to the top of west gate st (the pic infact) when th ob where there waiting.
Now it could be put down to good police work that they found out??? Or the guy who was telling us where to go was a grass.
But we all met up out side the city center in swansea and done nothing for the ob to pull any limo so u tell me what would u think.
Allso I might add? We did try! As we did when 40 of us came up on the shuttle 2 in the afternoon to avoid o.
All thes options were open to u and your merry men over the yrars but instead decided to stay with in the safety off the bubble trip.
So please dont slag and mock us for at least trying to think outside the box when u have never.

I am not missing the point, I do understand why u did it. As to 5 limos we were told on the day there was only 2 limos and and that one of the Jacks in the Limo rang the Police to let them know u were coming as deep down u were shitting it, as to whether that is true, we might never know the truth, but how come the police were waiting for u lot? thats still a mystery.

Also, we have come to u lot massive on many times in the 80's and 90's and thats a fact as I came every time and seen it for myself.


I do remember going to you twice when we were totally Banned, I got in on the one occasion and got eventually put in the away end at the Vetch, joined by about 400 Cardiff in the end. On the next occasion I got stopped at the turnstiles and escorted back to my car lol


Also 25 of us incl 20 PVM from Port Talbot, went on your end on a European Cup game, yes we took a bit of pasting but we went for it.
Panathinaikos was the team and u had big numbers out that night due to what happened over their.

Annis, i remember going to the vetch a few times in the 80's, we never seen any jacks until we got in the ground and had the freedom of their town center everytime we went there.

Everything you have just said there is the truth and spot on, I was there on every match we played down there,I wish the Jacks would be at least honest about those days.

In my opinion in the 80s cardiff had the bigger mob as they come in separate mobs from allover, however I allso believe we had the better.
Yes there might have been times when groups of cardiff walked around and didnt see nothing but do u think that we had nothing? ? Realy.
In the days of no mobile phones everything was word and mouth.
Every time we played you it kicked off somewhere and u certainly didnt run us.
But off course im talking as our main lads who met up early and waited to here of where u were ie 91 the kings high st b4 the game and the running battles in the side streets wile the police escorted u down towards the mumbles rd and we were down the side streets.
Thats when bothe sets come face to face and there was running battles it seemed down each st.
You allways out numbered us yes but u never run us.
Good days that I miss but had to move on.

You're not old enough to know, if 69 is your date of birth, you were 11 when we literally took over your place in 1980.

he wasnt old enough in 91 when we completely took over the whole town and wandered around freely. 20 isnt the age of those in the know, the older jacks were about who i saw with my own eyes as we were getting off the bus's on the way to the ground. I was only 19 and i remember thinking shit that lot are well old, prob late 20's, early 30's.....i didnt have a clue what was going on and just followed the mob for my own safety.....

I'll get slated for this I know.I used to knock about with all the football heads in town.Loved the scene etc etc.I then grew up had kids and realised what a mugs game it was with all the sentences being handed down, gradually got bored and left it all behind for the youngsters to pick up if they chose to.

I was on the scene from about 89,when i was 17 to about 2000 when my boy came along and in that time Cardiff were always a level above us Jacks on the mob front.In Swansea we could get our hands full with just the Port Talbot and Neath lot never mind the rest of Cardiff and the valleys.I remember that hot balmy summers evening when you played Wrexham at the Vetch and you run us all around town before the game.I was also there in 91 when again before the game you ran us behind the North Bank with ridiculous numbers.We did give your Bridgend lot a tuning before that game in the Kings but apart from that we don't have many success stories in Swansea against Cardiff,not in my stint as a 'lad', anyway.

I'm old enough now not to give a shit who won those battles back then and wise enough to admit what went on.As Rhondda 1015 said perfectly earlier in the thread,Swansea had a decent mob but we were never world beaters and couldn't compete with the likes of Stoke,Cardiff,Middlesborough etc.

No doubt Paul will be spitting feathers reading this but deep down he knows the score and what went on.He was involved with it a bit more than me as he lived in town and was usually there when it happened,whether it be Marthas on a Monday or just a random Thursday night when you lot fancied a drink in Swansea.

I can only speak for myself but in my experience and right throughout the 90's,Cardiff were on a different level to Swansea when it came to numbers.All saId,if you chose 50 of Swanseas finest and 50 of Cardiffs and put them all in a field to sort it out then I don't think there'd be much between us.Back then you just had silly numbers,far more than we ever did and it showed.

*ducks*

I'll get slated for this I know.I used to knock about with all the football heads in town.Loved the scene etc etc.I then grew up had kids and realised what a mugs game it was with all the sentences being handed down, gradually got bored and left it all behind for the youngsters to pick up if they chose to.

I was on the scene from about 89,when i was 17 to about 2000 when my boy came along and in that time Cardiff were always a level above us Jacks on the mob front.In Swansea we could get our hands full with just the Port Talbot and Neath lot never mind the rest of Cardiff and the valleys.I remember that hot balmy summers evening when you played Wrexham at the Vetch and you run us all around town before the game.I was also there in 91 when again before the game you ran us behind the North Bank with ridiculous numbers.We did give your Bridgend lot a tuning before that game in the Kings but apart from that we don't have many success stories in Swansea against Cardiff,not in my stint as a 'lad', anyway.

I'm old enough now not to give a shit who won those battles back then and wise enough to admit what went on.As Rhondda 1015 said perfectly earlier in the thread,Swansea had a decent mob but we were never world beaters and couldn't compete with the likes of Stoke,Cardiff,Middlesborough etc.

No doubt Paul will be spitting feathers reading this but deep down he knows the score and what went on.He was involved with it a bit more than me as he lived in town and was usually there when it happened,whether it be Marthas on a Monday or just a random Thursday night when you lot fancied a drink in Swansea.

I can only speak for myself but in my experience and right throughout the 90's,Cardiff were on a different level to Swansea when it came to numbers.All saId,if you chose 50 of Swanseas finest and 50 of Cardiffs and put them all in a field to sort it out then I don't think there'd be much between us.Back then you just had silly numbers,far more than we ever did and it showed.

*ducks*

Respect to you, other Jacks are living a total lie if they dont agree.

I'll get slated for this I know.I used to knock about with all the football heads in town.Loved the scene etc etc.I then grew up had kids and realised what a mugs game it was with all the sentences being handed down, gradually got bored and left it all behind for the youngsters to pick up if they chose to.

I was on the scene from about 89,when i was 17 to about 2000 when my boy came along and in that time Cardiff were always a level above us Jacks on the mob front.In Swansea we could get our hands full with just the Port Talbot and Neath lot never mind the rest of Cardiff and the valleys.I remember that hot balmy summers evening when you played Wrexham at the Vetch and you run us all around town before the game.I was also there in 91 when again before the game you ran us behind the North Bank with ridiculous numbers.We did give your Bridgend lot a tuning before that game in the Kings but apart from that we don't have many success stories in Swansea against Cardiff,not in my stint as a 'lad', anyway.

I'm old enough now not to give a shit who won those battles back then and wise enough to admit what went on.As Rhondda 1015 said perfectly earlier in the thread,Swansea had a decent mob but we were never world beaters and couldn't compete with the likes of Stoke,Cardiff,Middlesborough etc.

No doubt Paul will be spitting feathers reading this but deep down he knows the score and what went on.He was involved with it a bit more than me as he lived in town and was usually there when it happened,whether it be Marthas on a Monday or just a random Thursday night when you lot fancied a drink in Swansea.

I can only speak for myself but in my experience and right throughout the 90's,Cardiff were on a different level to Swansea when it came to numbers.All saId,if you chose 50 of Swanseas finest and 50 of Cardiffs and put them all in a field to sort it out then I don't think there'd be much between us.Back then you just had silly numbers,far more than we ever did and it showed.

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Respect to you, other Jacks are living a total lie if they dont agree.

I'll be frowned upon for what I posted but the older you get the less you want or care to prove.Just giving a personal account of what I saw back then.No doubt other Jacks will see it different and hats off to them if they do but I'm not gonna lie and make out we were something we weren't.

I'll get slated for this I know.I used to knock about with all the football heads in town.Loved the scene etc etc.I then grew up had kids and realised what a mugs game it was with all the sentences being handed down, gradually got bored and left it all behind for the youngsters to pick up if they chose to.

I was on the scene from about 89,when i was 17 to about 2000 when my boy came along and in that time Cardiff were always a level above us Jacks on the mob front.In Swansea we could get our hands full with just the Port Talbot and Neath lot never mind the rest of Cardiff and the valleys.I remember that hot balmy summers evening when you played Wrexham at the Vetch and you run us all around town before the game.I was also there in 91 when again before the game you ran us behind the North Bank with ridiculous numbers.We did give your Bridgend lot a tuning before that game in the Kings but apart from that we don't have many success stories in Swansea against Cardiff,not in my stint as a 'lad', anyway.

I'm old enough now not to give a shit who won those battles back then and wise enough to admit what went on.As Rhondda 1015 said perfectly earlier in the thread,Swansea had a decent mob but we were never world beaters and couldn't compete with the likes of Stoke,Cardiff,Middlesborough etc.

No doubt Paul will be spitting feathers reading this but deep down he knows the score and what went on.He was involved with it a bit more than me as he lived in town and was usually there when it happened,whether it be Marthas on a Monday or just a random Thursday night when you lot fancied a drink in Swansea.

I can only speak for myself but in my experience and right throughout the 90's,Cardiff were on a different level to Swansea when it came to numbers.All saId,if you chose 50 of Swanseas finest and 50 of Cardiffs and put them all in a field to sort it out then I don't think there'd be much between us.Back then you just had silly numbers,far more than we ever did and it showed.

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Yes that's a fair post, following on from what i said above, i also went to all the games down your way from the late 70's right through the 80's and we just walked around and drank in your high street without any bother, one game that sticks out was on boxing day, your pre-match entertainment was a live band on the halfway line, (can't remember what year it was) either side of the band were these "stuffed" looking swans, a cardiff fan jumped the fence, ran over to one of the swans, jumped on the back of it and started riding it, very funny at the time.

I'll get slated for this I know.I used to knock about with all the football heads in town.Loved the scene etc etc.I then grew up had kids and realised what a mugs game it was with all the sentences being handed down, gradually got bored and left it all behind for the youngsters to pick up if they chose to.

I was on the scene from about 89,when i was 17 to about 2000 when my boy came along and in that time Cardiff were always a level above us Jacks on the mob front.In Swansea we could get our hands full with just the Port Talbot and Neath lot never mind the rest of Cardiff and the valleys.I remember that hot balmy summers evening when you played Wrexham at the Vetch and you run us all around town before the game.I was also there in 91 when again before the game you ran us behind the North Bank with ridiculous numbers.We did give your Bridgend lot a tuning before that game in the Kings but apart from that we don't have many success stories in Swansea against Cardiff,not in my stint as a 'lad', anyway.

I'm old enough now not to give a shit who won those battles back then and wise enough to admit what went on.As Rhondda 1015 said perfectly earlier in the thread,Swansea had a decent mob but we were never world beaters and couldn't compete with the likes of Stoke,Cardiff,Middlesborough etc.

No doubt Paul will be spitting feathers reading this but deep down he knows the score and what went on.He was involved with it a bit more than me as he lived in town and was usually there when it happened,whether it be Marthas on a Monday or just a random Thursday night when you lot fancied a drink in Swansea.

I can only speak for myself but in my experience and right throughout the 90's,Cardiff were on a different level to Swansea when it came to numbers.All saId,if you chose 50 of Swanseas finest and 50 of Cardiffs and put them all in a field to sort it out then I don't think there'd be much between us.Back then you just had silly numbers,far more than we ever did and it showed.

*ducks*

You've just broken SwanseaLad's heart.

I'll get slated for this I know.I used to knock about with all the football heads in town.Loved the scene etc etc.I then grew up had kids and realised what a mugs game it was with all the sentences being handed down, gradually got bored and left it all behind for the youngsters to pick up if they chose to.

I was on the scene from about 89,when i was 17 to about 2000 when my boy came along and in that time Cardiff were always a level above us Jacks on the mob front.In Swansea we could get our hands full with just the Port Talbot and Neath lot never mind the rest of Cardiff and the valleys.I remember that hot balmy summers evening when you played Wrexham at the Vetch and you run us all around town before the game.I was also there in 91 when again before the game you ran us behind the North Bank with ridiculous numbers.We did give your Bridgend lot a tuning before that game in the Kings but apart from that we don't have many success stories in Swansea against Cardiff,not in my stint as a 'lad', anyway.

I'm old enough now not to give a shit who won those battles back then and wise enough to admit what went on.As Rhondda 1015 said perfectly earlier in the thread,Swansea had a decent mob but we were never world beaters and couldn't compete with the likes of Stoke,Cardiff,Middlesborough etc.

No doubt Paul will be spitting feathers reading this but deep down he knows the score and what went on.He was involved with it a bit more than me as he lived in town and was usually there when it happened,whether it be Marthas on a Monday or just a random Thursday night when you lot fancied a drink in Swansea.

I can only speak for myself but in my experience and right throughout the 90's,Cardiff were on a different level to Swansea when it came to numbers.All saId,if you chose 50 of Swanseas finest and 50 of Cardiffs and put them all in a field to sort it out then I don't think there'd be much between us.Back then you just had silly numbers,far more than we ever did and it showed.

*ducks*

You've just broken SwanseaLad's heart.

I'd better switch my phone off before he reads that. He knows the score and what went on.He's a very proud Swansea lad and sometimes admitting what went on can be a bitter pill to swallow,especially on a Cardiff MB. I don't care what went on anymore and feel comfortable posting what I saw back then.Christ,it was 25 years ago and we were kids.

Fair play that's very honest account. Like you say 50 v 50 in a field it could go either way. Welsh lads can have a tear up for sure and there would be casualties.. Cardiff always had more lads . Mind you early eighties I had a right hammering in oyster mouth road . Got left on the pavement covered in claret. A night in Singleton hospital and got nicked . Like you say Paul proud jack but it's all over really. Great at the time but don't fancy wrecking my life at 50

6b speaks honestly, those are the main years i went aswell but i was more interested in clubbin and raving so football slipped away. how refreshing compared to some like swansealad. In life you get respect by being honest, thats where he goes all wrong. Like someone else said further up, its what other teams crews say that gain you respect, not necessarily your nearest and dearest who will no doubt never admit nowt.
Sure we all know the jacks can pull a good crew at home, a city of that size should in all honesty. But they were rarely a match for us in the days it mattered. Even what 64jack said about the mini angels coming unstuck against the pvm on the swim away night and coming to find back up, paul wouldnt admit that. the fact is back in the day that neath and PT were enough for them to cope with without the main cardiff crew to even bother. thats just the way it is as the saying goes.

ANy jack debating you had more numbers is a joker. Any Cardiff fan denying we didnt cause the odd problem ourselves is also a clown. Anybody who takes great satisfaction in such a debate in this day and age is simply a prick.

I'll get slated for this I know.I used to knock about with all the football heads in town.Loved the scene etc etc.I then grew up had kids and realised what a mugs game it was with all the sentences being handed down, gradually got bored and left it all behind for the youngsters to pick up if they chose to.

I was on the scene from about 89,when i was 17 to about 2000 when my boy came along and in that time Cardiff were always a level above us Jacks on the mob front.In Swansea we could get our hands full with just the Port Talbot and Neath lot never mind the rest of Cardiff and the valleys.I remember that hot balmy summers evening when you played Wrexham at the Vetch and you run us all around town before the game.I was also there in 91 when again before the game you ran us behind the North Bank with ridiculous numbers.We did give your Bridgend lot a tuning before that game in the Kings but apart from that we don't have many success stories in Swansea against Cardiff,not in my stint as a 'lad', anyway.

I'm old enough now not to give a shit who won those battles back then and wise enough to admit what went on.As Rhondda 1015 said perfectly earlier in the thread,Swansea had a decent mob but we were never world beaters and couldn't compete with the likes of Stoke,Cardiff,Middlesborough etc.

No doubt Paul will be spitting feathers reading this but deep down he knows the score and what went on.He was involved with it a bit more than me as he lived in town and was usually there when it happened,whether it be Marthas on a Monday or just a random Thursday night when you lot fancied a drink in Swansea.

I can only speak for myself but in my experience and right throughout the 90's,Cardiff were on a different level to Swansea when it came to numbers.All saId,if you chose 50 of Swanseas finest and 50 of Cardiffs and put them all in a field to sort it out then I don't think there'd be much between us.Back then you just had silly numbers,far more than we ever did and it showed.

*ducks*

great post chris.swansea at home could be tricky.cardiff did it away and at home.thay exported better bigger numbers.bit like blues.you could say i battled with blues but in reality it may be any one of x amount of mobs that made up the zulus.chemsley,the older lads,out of towners.east brum ,kings norton.old heads .young guns,blacks .whites ,mixed.cardiff the same i believe.i wasnt that into it but been there a bit.my mate is quite well known.tbf he aint hard just game and mental when blues are concerned most lads on here are top men.from all teams.that,s why we post on here .prefer the lads on here to blues boards tbh.prob same for you too.thats why you,re here tbh if they paid people to fight at football now i doubt any of us would bother.it,s a era thing and we have grown up-thank god.more important things in life than football.to say swansea were poor tho is wrong.it,s just they wernt the same level as cardiff in the eyes of the other mobs on a national scale.teams like walsall can give you a shock down the bescot if the the beachdale and other estates turn out.that can be replicated throughout the uk

neeeds to be added that in the day when a smaller club could turn out strong at home for a bigger team there were no other distractions for young males.in the mid 80,s i dont remember a lot of drugs about.bit of puff ,that,s about it.it was about meeting yr mates and having a session unless the brain needed to be really clear.now lads aint getting in till 6 in the morning from a club.can you see them being up for 11,washed and dressed to hang around a town centre waiting for the away team to arrive?not in big numbers i cant.times have changed but i suppose the old adage is if you take the piss in anyones backyard the natives will respond.a small grp of zulus (30)came unstuck down west brom high st 86.blues were prob number 1 on their day then.copped for it.the locals didnt read the script.mind you after the game payback was given

i remember walsall away in the cup 87.blues in the old hillary st end surrounded by old bill with walsall baying.thirty at most.i was ok my accent is more walsall than brum.i saw a blues lad,he was struggling ,getting sussed so i said fellow me.i yammed it up thro the crowd no bother .got to the old bill corden.got into blues only to have one of the main blues faces who was off it on draw threaten me cos of my accent.someone told im blues .i showed him my tattoo.id been playing pool with him in the crown a few months before

A lot I agree with here. Numbers wise they couldnt get near us but I also remember we had Northampton in play off semi (late 80s) and they were in other play off semi. They were calling for 100 v 100 no more from either side in the final, anywhere from Cardiff to Wembley our choice. We lost our semi they won theirs. Pity or maybe not because I reckon there would of been somebody killed if that final happened.....

1991 was the one that proved beyond doubt who was number 1

I'll get slated for this I know.I used to knock about with all the football heads in town.Loved the scene etc etc.I then grew up had kids and realised what a mugs game it was with all the sentences being handed down, gradually got bored and left it all behind for the youngsters to pick up if they chose to.

I was on the scene from about 89,when i was 17 to about 2000 when my boy came along and in that time Cardiff were always a level above us Jacks on the mob front.In Swansea we could get our hands full with just the Port Talbot and Neath lot never mind the rest of Cardiff and the valleys.I remember that hot balmy summers evening when you played Wrexham at the Vetch and you run us all around town before the game.I was also there in 91 when again before the game you ran us behind the North Bank with ridiculous numbers.We did give your Bridgend lot a tuning before that game in the Kings but apart from that we don't have many success stories in Swansea against Cardiff,not in my stint as a 'lad', anyway.

I'm old enough now not to give a shit who won those battles back then and wise enough to admit what went on.As Rhondda 1015 said perfectly earlier in the thread,Swansea had a decent mob but we were never world beaters and couldn't compete with the likes of Stoke,Cardiff,Middlesborough etc.

No doubt Paul will be spitting feathers reading this but deep down he knows the score and what went on.He was involved with it a bit more than me as he lived in town and was usually there when it happened,whether it be Marthas on a Monday or just a random Thursday night when you lot fancied a drink in Swansea.

I can only speak for myself but in my experience and right throughout the 90's,Cardiff were on a different level to Swansea when it came to numbers.All saId,if you chose 50 of Swanseas finest and 50 of Cardiffs and put them all in a field to sort it out then I don't think there'd be much between us.Back then you just had silly numbers,far more than we ever did and it showed.

*ducks*

You've just broken SwanseaLad's heart.

And spoilt his Christmas turkey.........

A lot I agree with here. Numbers wise they couldnt get near us but I also remember we had Northampton in play off semi (late 80s) and they were in other play off semi. They were calling for 100 v 100 no more from either side in the final, anywhere from Cardiff to Wembley our choice. We lost our semi they won theirs. Pity or maybe not because I reckon there would of been somebody killed if that final happened.....

1991 was the one that proved beyond doubt who was number 1

As a Cardiff boy at that time we always completely regarded Newport as our main rivals as they were the people that really brought it to us. But there was a build up over the last couple of years to that game with noises coming from outside which awoke the Cardiff based lads to the fact that the valleys and PVM guys that the jacks were they're main rivals. That was why there was the massive turn out in 91 for that, because it was decided that something needed to be put to bed. Cardiff itself before that (and after it was done) didn't feel that it was so important until later on.

And similar to that PC, is the fact that the Valleys have never and still don't rate Newport in any way. The Cardiff/Newport thing IMO was mostly outside of football. Also most of the Rhondda lot in particular,were a fair bit older, and didn't really consider it our problem.

I personally never rated swansea at all. Newport were much more game and had a better mob than swansea in my opinion.

I use to go in the 70's and 80's and did 'nt know Newport had a mob, they was our cuddly cousins down the road always applying for re election. Plenty of city use to go and support them when they had a must win match.

newport werent cudderly cousins in the 80's thats for sure, it was tit for tat what seemed like every other weekend in the mid 80's either newport coming to cardiff or vice versa. i was only a teenager but remember older cardiff fans bombing past me in queens street saying 100 newport had just arrived at queen st station......they still hate us with a passion now.

Don't recall them actually turning up for a football match home or away, apart from a mickey mouse cup match, that no one went to, a bit like when city turned up at Millwall for a meaningless cup competition. Me and a mate went to Welsh cup match at Newport when I was a school kid, on the way to station was just about to get done over when half a dozen city blokes came around the corner and dished out a beating , that we was a about to receive. Happy days.

newport werent cudderly cousins in the 80's thats for sure, it was tit for tat what seemed like every other weekend in the mid 80's either newport coming to cardiff or vice versa. i was only a teenager but remember older cardiff fans bombing past me in queens street saying 100 newport had just arrived at queen st station......they still hate us with a passion now.

As I said in an earlier post, that was all outside football. They were always crap home and away, never rated them, only young ones from Cardiff will ever have had problems with them back then.The same people who thought it was exciting to go mod/skin/punk/casual fighting down Barry. Newports home end was regularly cleared by older City boys back then, the night of the Ramones gig in particular comes to mind, also when Dai H and about 20 others chased their main mob 3 times in the ground.

newport werent cudderly cousins in the 80's thats for sure, it was tit for tat what seemed like every other weekend in the mid 80's either newport coming to cardiff or vice versa. i was only a teenager but remember older cardiff fans bombing past me in queens street saying 100 newport had just arrived at queen st station......they still hate us with a passion now.

As I said in an earlier post, that was all outside football. They were always crap home and away, never rated them, only young ones from Cardiff will ever have had problems with them back then.The same people who thought it was exciting to go mod/skin/punk/casual fighting down Barry. Newports home end was regularly cleared by older City boys back then, the night of the Ramones gig in particular comes to mind, also when Dai H and about 20 others chased their main mob 3 times in the ground.

Have to agree with this. Started going to Newport 76 onwards, and never rated them. We look on them as some of you look on us. Whenever we went there we would walk around their town and drink in their pubs with the minimum of bother. They never turned up at Swansea at all, except in the year they went out of the league, and just had one set of lads arriving by train and were simply escorted to and from the station. So yeah, I think it must be just a Cardiff/Newport thing.

But going back to us and you, I agree with 6b, the numbers you could put out we couldn't cope with, but being a bit older than 6b, I was obviously around before him, and don't believe that numbers were the only reason. I'll use the March 89 game as a typical example. The word went out to meet at the leisure centre amphitheatre early in the morning and we had a mob of around 250, someone coming in from Mumbles said that seen some of your lot going passed St Helens rugby ground so we went up to meet them. We bumped into them by the guildhall. About 100 of your lot and although they tried too charge (fair play!) when they realised the numbers we had they simply fled. We walked around the seafront and up to the Queens where there was another mob of about the same numbers! Yes, some of us thought, this has got to be the biggest mob we've ever put together! 500 lads, in one place! So although we go on about your numbers, if wed bumped into any of your mobs that day, we would have smashed you. Anyway, we started to try and get everyone going. To get up into the city centre and give you lot something to think about. The overwhelming response was "No, let them come to us"! WHAT? Why the f**k would you come to us when your walking around our city unchallenged and taking the piss? And that, was always the problem with our lot, we'd get a quick early victory under our belts and f**k off to the pub! So yes, although you had the numbers, most of our lot just didn't have the desire for it.