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And I respect your view, but I don't agree with it. I'm happy to debate it though but Sunday was ill thought of, irresponsible, self gratifying and I thought pretty pathetic and a poor show. Dialogue is what is needed, not a full on assault. And this dialogue should be through the proper channels.

But as for me I'm happy in red. And about my username, ask annis, I was one of the first members of this forum. I can't change my name to natman red without wiping all that out as I'd need a new account.

Irresponsible? How exactly?

Do you really think Tan is willing to give dialogue? He won't even talk to Malky FFS !

The club aren't interested in dialogue.. This is clear enough after they switched the lights off the protest (which backfired as it gave the protest more coverage than it probably deserved!)

Because yesterday should have been all about the result. Is anyone actually trying dialogue BU to me just looks to antagonise

And I respect your view, but I don't agree with it. I'm happy to debate it though but Sunday was ill thought of, irresponsible, self gratifying and I thought pretty pathetic and a poor show. Dialogue is what is needed, not a full on assault. And this dialogue should be through the proper channels.

But as for me I'm happy in red. And about my username, ask annis, I was one of the first members of this forum. I can't change my name to natman red without wiping all that out as I'd need a new account.

Irresponsible? How exactly?

Do you really think Tan is willing to give dialogue? He won't even talk to Malky FFS !

The club aren't interested in dialogue.. This is clear enough after they switched the lights off the protest (which backfired as it gave the protest more coverage than it probably deserved!)

Because yesterday should have been all about the result. Is anyone actually trying dialogue BU to me just looks to antagonise

How would you suggest BU go about setting up an audience with Tan? It's not going to happen.

Ps I appreciate your insight into the journo side of things. Others on here should take note of how to actually debate an argument from you! Lol

Says the man who was calling people pathetic for daring to not agree with him at the start of this thread...

Tell me again where I actually called some one pathetic? No, the people are not pathetic just what they are doing

Fair enough. I think it's pathetic when people just lay back and let a tan do whatever he wants to this club.

And I respect your view, but I don't agree with it. I'm happy to debate it though but Sunday was ill thought of, irresponsible, self gratifying and I thought pretty pathetic and a poor show. Dialogue is what is needed, not a full on assault. And this dialogue should be through the proper channels.

But as for me I'm happy in red. And about my username, ask annis, I was one of the first members of this forum. I can't change my name to natman red without wiping all that out as I'd need a new account.

Sunday was hardly a "full on assault." Admittedly, I wasn't at the game, as I haven't attended a match since the rebrand, but from what I've seen and heard there was a small number of protesters who, without breaking the law, made their feelings known. Luckily we live in a democracy, so peaceful protest is legal and totally acceptable. Very unlike the part of the world where Mr Tan hails from...Surely, you are not suggesting that peaceful protest should be outlawed?? Why exactly was it "irresponsible?" "Self gratifying" and "pretty pathetic?"

I happen to have met some of those people who protested, one of the ladies has family that have attended games at Cardiff City since the club's earliest days. The lady in question feels that the total lack of respect that Vincent Tan has shown to Cardiff City's heritage is an act of vandalism.

I tend to agree with her, as my own family's connections to the club span almost ninety years. Cardiff City's blue and bluebird are as intrinsically linked to the City of Cardiff as the docks, Brains Brewery and City Hall. To argue otherwise is fatuous and a bit disingenuous,

With respect to you Nathan (I presume that's your name) the sight of fans walking around in red rebrand gear is something I regard as pretty insulting, given that I felt compelled to break my own family's connection of supporting the club after such a long period of time - as I refused to bow down to, what I felt was, Tan's intimidation and refused to fund his bastardisation of such an important South Wales institution.

In all sincerity, I ask you and others like you to think long and hard before you wear your red gear to games. I accept that to you and others, it is just wearing the colours that the team now wear but to the majority (in my opinion) of Cardiff City supporters, yourself and others are trampling on your own club's traditional identity.

Just think about it, that's all

And I respect your view, but I don't agree with it. I'm happy to debate it though but Sunday was ill thought of, irresponsible, self gratifying and I thought pretty pathetic and a poor show. Dialogue is what is needed, not a full on assault. And this dialogue should be through the proper channels.

But as for me I'm happy in red. And about my username, ask annis, I was one of the first members of this forum. I can't change my name to natman red without wiping all that out as I'd need a new account.

Irresponsible? How exactly?

Do you really think Tan is willing to give dialogue? He won't even talk to Malky FFS !

The club aren't interested in dialogue.. This is clear enough after they switched the lights off the protest (which backfired as it gave the protest more coverage than it probably deserved!)

Because yesterday should have been all about the result. Is anyone actually trying dialogue BU to me just looks to antagonise

How would you suggest BU go about setting up an audience with Tan? It's not going to happen.

Is Not now is it. When the first at is for the leader to do a cheesy karaoke followed by marches etc, tell me where they've attempted anything other than "look at me! Look at me!"

Tan isn't prepared to meet Malky FFS - what makes you think he is willing to meet anyone?

Tan isn't prepared to meet Malky FFS - what makes you think he is willing to meet anyone?

But also be fair. With the insults and abuse I've had in this thread, can you freaky blame him. Perhaps of all debated as intelligently as Alfie has then you might have a point. But when the usual city fan reckons saying FACT, end of or ffs makes their point more valid then I don't blame him to a large degree.

But also be fair. With the insults and abuse I've had in this thread, can you freaky blame him. Perhaps of all debated as intelligently as Alfie has then you might have a point. But when the usual city fan reckons saying FACT, end of or ffs makes their point more valid then I don't blame him to a large degree.

he won't meet BU because Natman got abused on the forum...

He won't meet the trust... & as I say, he won't meet Malky. He's not willing to meet anyone or compromise or even listen to anyone else... Hence BU using this method to get their opinions across... As is their right within the laws of this country.

Tan isn't prepared to meet Malky FFS - what makes you think he is willing to meet anyone?

But also be fair. With the insults and abuse I've had in this thread, can you freaky blame him. Perhaps of all debated as intelligently as Alfie has then you might have a point. But when the usual city fan reckons saying FACT, end of or ffs makes their point more valid then I don't blame him to a large degree.

It makes no difference what approach is taken, sadly. Generally, I have tried not to resort to abuse ( and often failed, tbh...) but trust me, as well as lots of heart warming support, I've received more vicious and vile personal abuse in the past year and a half than I've encountered in a lifetime. Ridiculously, I've even had friendships that have been ruined over this rebrand nonsense. Ultimately, there is only one man at the root of this problem and it's the man that you keep on defending. None of us asked for this situation.

I genuinely think that you are hugely wide of the mark when it comes to Bluebirds Unite. I interviewed Sian Branson for an article that I wrote for Huff Post. I was hugely impressed that this diminutive but dynamic and driven woman has been brave enough to put her head above the parapet and subject herself to unimaginable abuse. She has a great career going on as a senior HR manager with a big national company and she certainly doesn't need the hassle so why does she front BU? Is it because she has a big ego? Does she do it because she wants to be famous?

I've subsequently got to know Sian and others involved with BU and I'll tell you exactly why she does it, she has a huge sense of pride in her home City and it's traditions and she has a very well developed sense of community. A sense that small things, like parts of working class Cardiff culture should be passed down through the generations. A sense that the local football club is a pivotal and hugely important part of the community. Something that should be cherished and not simply used as a rich mans play thing. If all of that is alien to you, then further debate is futile. If, on the other hand, some of that resonates, rather than simply making misplaced assumptions, I suggest that you get along to one of BU's events. I'll even buy you a pint and some pork scratchings

Owain change this guys name to Natman Red ffs.

Owain change this guys name to Natman Red ffs.

I sit near there every game and sure they are not even season ticket holders as never seen them befor.instead of partying should you be saving your money to buy mr tan out .with out his investment we would not even be playing Swansea let alone beating them .

I can promise you that they all are season ticket holders. Are you?

yes for years over 120 grounds away with the city done west ham .hull .Norwich Fulham .this season and will be with three coaches of proper boys at Bromsgrove saterday not kids who have only watched them in the champion ship

Get off your high horse you prick. Just because you have been around longer doesn't make you a better fan. Most of those lads are mid 20s and been going nearly 20 years. Hardly part timers or johnny come latelys.

well big mouth youll be able to show me there ricky wright shares to back it up then if they have bein there twenty years cant remember them strutting round the ground then .i will ask sam and dave about them saterday to back up your comments .mr a jack

I sit near there every game and sure they are not even season ticket holders as never seen them befor.instead of partying should you be saving your money to buy mr tan out .with out his investment we would not even be playing Swansea let alone beating them .

I can promise you that they all are season ticket holders. Are you?

yes for years over 120 grounds away with the city done west ham .hull .Norwich Fulham .this season and will be with three coaches of proper boys at Bromsgrove saterday not kids who have only watched them in the champion ship

Get off your high horse you prick. Just because you have been around longer doesn't make you a better fan. Most of those lads are mid 20s and been going nearly 20 years. Hardly part timers or johnny come latelys.

well big mouth youll be able to show me there ricky wright shares to back it up then if they have bein there twenty years cant remember them strutting round the ground then .i will ask sam and dave about them saterday to back up your comments .mr a jack

I remember them, might still have them somewhere

I sit near there every game and sure they are not even season ticket holders as never seen them befor.instead of partying should you be saving your money to buy mr tan out .with out his investment we would not even be playing Swansea let alone beating them .

I can promise you that they all are season ticket holders. Are you?

yes for years over 120 grounds away with the city done west ham .hull .Norwich Fulham .this season and will be with three coaches of proper boys at Bromsgrove saterday not kids who have only watched them in the champion ship

Get off your high horse you prick. Just because you have been around longer doesn't make you a better fan. Most of those lads are mid 20s and been going nearly 20 years. Hardly part timers or johnny come latelys.

well big mouth youll be able to show me there ricky wright shares to back it up then if they have bein there twenty years cant remember them strutting round the ground then .i will ask sam and dave about them saterday to back up your comments .mr a jack

Why would I have anything of theirs to show you ya donut. I wish I was as old as you, then I could be a proper fan and be entitled to an opinion

So Natman red is a Christian. So how comes when Tan broke one of the ten commandments "though shalt not steal" (our blue identity) Natman did not even raise a whimper. Christian my ar*e.

Get real!

Natman Red I also forgot to mention that Tan stole your self respect in the process but you most probably gave that away cheaply anyway.
Thats the trouble with Christians, they are easily brainwashed so its no surprise that anone who believes in a god, the devil, angels and all that other clap trap would be easily be taken in by Tan.
I would also warn you what the bible says "thou shalt not worship false idols"

Natman red whilst we are on a biblical theme also remember that even Judas Iscariot sold out for 30 pieces of silver yet some of our fans sold out for a cheap free red scarf.

So Natman red is a Christian. So how comes when Tan broke one of the ten commandments "though shalt not steal" (our blue identity) Natman did not even raise a whimper. Christian my ar*e.

Get real!

Natman Red I also forgot to mention that Tan stole your self respect in the process but you most probably gave that away cheaply anyway.
Thats the trouble with Christians, they are easily brainwashed so its no surprise that anone who believes in a god, the devil, angels and all that other clap trap would be easily be taken in by Tan.
I would also warn you what the bible says "thou shalt not worship false idols"

We'll see what happens when the time comes.

Natman red whilst we are on a biblical theme also remember that even Judas Iscariot sold out for 30 pieces of silver yet some of our fans sold out for a cheap free red scarf.

I accept that Tan as a result of the major investment he had put into the club has a right to run things as he sees fit for the overall benefit of the club.

Natman red whilst we are on a biblical theme also remember that even Judas Iscariot sold out for 30 pieces of silver yet some of our fans sold out for a cheap free red scarf.

I accept that Tan as a result of the major investment he had put into the club has a right to run things as he sees fit for the overall benefit of the club.

Like I said christians are easily brainwashed.

Natman red whilst we are on a biblical theme also remember that even Judas Iscariot sold out for 30 pieces of silver yet some of our fans sold out for a cheap free red scarf.

I accept that Tan as a result of the major investment he had put into the club has a right to run things as he sees fit for the overall benefit of the club.

Like I said christians are easily brainwashed.

If only you knew the attempted indoctrinations I have faced in my life where I have had to fight for my sanity in the face of emotional abuse and blackmail. Brainwashed? Whatever!

Natman red whilst we are on a biblical theme also remember that even Judas Iscariot sold out for 30 pieces of silver yet some of our fans sold out for a cheap free red scarf.

I accept that Tan as a result of the major investment he had put into the club has a right to run things as he sees fit for the overall benefit of the club.

Like I said christians are easily brainwashed.

If only you knew the attempted indoctrinations I have faced in my life where I have had to fight for my sanity in the face of emotional abuse and blackmail. Brainwashed? Whatever!

Natman red whilst we are on a biblical theme also remember that even Judas Iscariot sold out for 30 pieces of silver yet some of our fans sold out for a cheap free red scarf.

I accept that Tan as a result of the major investment he had put into the club has a right to run things as he sees fit for the overall benefit of the club.

Like I said christians are easily brainwashed.

If only you knew the attempted indoctrinations I have faced in my life where I have had to fight for my sanity in the face of emotional abuse and blackmail. Brainwashed? Whatever!

Sounds like you were a former choirboy who was taken up the altar. Resistance is futile you have been assimilated.

Natman red whilst we are on a biblical theme also remember that even Judas Iscariot sold out for 30 pieces of silver yet some of our fans sold out for a cheap free red scarf.

I accept that Tan as a result of the major investment he had put into the club has a right to run things as he sees fit for the overall benefit of the club.

Like I said christians are easily brainwashed.

If only you knew the attempted indoctrinations I have faced in my life where I have had to fight for my sanity in the face of emotional abuse and blackmail. Brainwashed? Whatever!

Sounds like you were a former choirboy who was taken up the altar. Resistance is futile you have been assimilated.

Nowhere near, though I am a singer lol. Some of the stuff is shocking so rather not go into it on a public forum

Natman red whilst we are on a biblical theme also remember that even Judas Iscariot sold out for 30 pieces of silver yet some of our fans sold out for a cheap free red scarf.

I accept that Tan as a result of the major investment he had put into the club has a right to run things as he sees fit for the overall benefit of the club.

Like I said christians are easily brainwashed.

If only you knew the attempted indoctrinations I have faced in my life where I have had to fight for my sanity in the face of emotional abuse and blackmail. Brainwashed? Whatever!

Sounds like you were a former choirboy who was taken up the altar. Resistance is futile you have been assimilated.

Nowhere near, though I am a singer lol. Some of the stuff is shocking so rather not go into it on a public forum

Nor would I expect you to as these things are private to yourself and that should be respected.

Natman red you can't ignore that the red is dwindling. It was more or less a sea of blue and pro blue chants were heard throughout the game. The tide is turning against Tan and if you think the critisicm of him is small now then just wait and see what happens if we lose Malky. As Dylan once said " the times they are a changing"

Doesn't look anything of the sort to me and I seem to recall "we'll always be Blue" being sung one possibly twice so hardly 'throughout the game', but to which my son said it was silly as we play in red and he was on the money! Do the reason people make this stuff come from wanting to look good on this message board where a lot of this vocal minority reside is it to put some soon to try and sway more people or is it just out of delusion?

Today was great, why did BU have to try and spoil it????

I only heard it we'll always be blue once and it didn't last long, seeing that banner was cringeworthy and pathetic!

I want Tan to sort out the rebrand and get us back in blue but i don't want him out

There was a piece in the independent which said a poll was done and 7 out of 10 fans want to stick with tan

There was a piece in the independent which said a poll was done and 7 out of 10 fans want to stick with tan

There's hope yet then, at least 7 out of 10 are sensible

There was a piece in the independent which said a poll was done and 7 out of 10 fans want to stick with tan

There's hope yet then, at least 7 out of 10 are sensible

Or deluded... Depending on which way you're looking at it.

There was a piece in the independent which said a poll was done and 7 out of 10 fans want to stick with tan

There's hope yet then, at least 7 out of 10 are sensible

Or deluded... Depending on which way you're looking at it.

There was a piece in the independent which said a poll was done and 7 out of 10 fans want to stick with tan

There's hope yet then, at least 7 out of 10 are sensible

The seven must be either gullible or have already sold out for a cheap red scarf. If anyone watched Tans latest interview where he refused to answer the questions must now realise he is completely barking and the only way forward is to get rid of this clown.

This was on the same page

Off topic I know but is this the same guy from last season??

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