MALKY DID NOT WANT VELIKONJA

My info about the club being liquidated is not a prediction, mainly simple business knowledge, the club had no or very little assets, playing squad was sold off like a fire sale weeks prior and really had nothing to convince any administrator that we can still survive, knowing Sam was still adamant we owed him £23m.

Relegation alone would have put the club on the brink let alone survive on a monthly basis whilst on the back of owing £30-40 million if not more.

Be realistic, we would have liquidated its simple.

My info about the club being liquidated is not a prediction, mainly simple business knowledge, the club had no or very little assets, playing squad was sold off like a fire sale weeks prior and really had nothing to convince any administrator that we can still survive, knowing Sam was still adamant we owed him £23m.

Relegation alone would have put the club on the brink let alone survive on a monthly basis whilst on the back of owing £30-40 million if not more.

Be realistic, we would have liquidated its simple.

it's simple, no.

My info about the club being liquidated is not a prediction, mainly simple business knowledge, the club had no or very little assets, playing squad was sold off like a fire sale weeks prior and really had nothing to convince any administrator that we can still survive, knowing Sam was still adamant we owed him £23m.

Relegation alone would have put the club on the brink let alone survive on a monthly basis whilst on the back of owing £30-40 million if not more.

Be realistic, we would have liquidated its simple.

it's simple, no.

Chuckles,the vultures were circling,of that we can be sure.And there was no-one else waiting in the wings just like there won't be now unless Tan makes good his promises which I think he will ultimately.

My info about the club being liquidated is not a prediction, mainly simple business knowledge, the club had no or very little assets, playing squad was sold off like a fire sale weeks prior and really had nothing to convince any administrator that we can still survive, knowing Sam was still adamant we owed him £23m.

Relegation alone would have put the club on the brink let alone survive on a monthly basis whilst on the back of owing £30-40 million if not more.

Be realistic, we would have liquidated its simple.

it's simple, no.

so barry what would have been your business plan if city would have rejected tan offer,bearing in mind
that city was on the brink of liquidated,can you tell me who was in the back ground to step up if tan
pulled out,i am against the rebrand and have ceased going to city,

My info about the club being liquidated is not a prediction, mainly simple business knowledge, the club had no or very little assets, playing squad was sold off like a fire sale weeks prior and really had nothing to convince any administrator that we can still survive, knowing Sam was still adamant we owed him £23m.

Relegation alone would have put the club on the brink let alone survive on a monthly basis whilst on the back of owing £30-40 million if not more.

Be realistic, we would have liquidated its simple.

it's simple, no.

so barry what would have been your business plan if city would have rejected tan offer,bearing in mind
that city was on the brink of liquidated,can you tell me who was in the back ground to step up if tan
pulled out,i am against the rebrand and have ceased going to city,

He wont answer it, ive been asking him the same question throughout? its not that I agree with the re-brand, and its not a prediction or a guess that without his investment the club would have liquidated.

I cant understand why there are fans who think things would have been different.

another thread turned into a petty row

All the stirring up about tan is not doing the club any favours. The article below has a quote from malky saying that he nearly signed velikonja for watford and had been tracking him for 2 years!! Why would he lie?

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ay-2027400

If veilikonja had been tracked for 2 years that means that moody had been putting together a thorough portfolio on velikonja and in the end wasted £2m. Sacking any coincidence?

You have a point, fella

perhaps malky was covering his bosses arse to avoid him embarrasment. probably before he saw him in those trousers though

Steve, whoops, some people on here don't like to read or hear the truth.

Like i said Annis i like hearing the truth but when it comes from the club and not some newspaper or poster of this or any other forum..

another thread turned into a petty row

Its a good debate actually, just a shame Barry cannot answer questions he is so against.

All the stirring up about tan is not doing the club any favours. The article below has a quote from malky saying that he nearly signed velikonja for watford and had been tracking him for 2 years!! Why would he lie?

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foot ... ay-2027400

If veilikonja had been tracked for 2 years that means that moody had been putting together a thorough portfolio on velikonja and in the end wasted £2m. Sacking any coincidence?

You have a point, fella

perhaps malky was covering his bosses arse to avoid him embarrasment. probably before he saw him in those trousers though

Steve, whoops, some people on here don't like to read or hear the truth.

Stop snipping

Chuckles when he signed malky said in the press conference that he had been ,you really are a arsehole ,stop your trolling

You're having a go at people for believing this for their "agenda", when you did something yourself only a few days ago - when you believed a message board rumour as fact & used it to have a go at me... There's only one troll here. The person abusing someone else.

troll ,I knew you would be straight on my post like normal ,are you gay or something ,I told you before I'm straight !!!!

Aye,right enough Chuckles,and its jolly nice of you to acknowledge that fact because lets face it if he hadn't saved the club what the hell would you be doing right now.Crying into your beer like the rest of us I imagine.Its a pity you don't concentrate less on childish pointscoring and semantics because your clearly not stupid.

Where have I said that he didn't rescue the club? I've said it many times... What I don't agree with, is that we should just allow him to do whatever he wants with this club, just because he saved it.

The apathy about some of this loon's decisions, it's amazing, quite frankly.

Barry, you acknowledge he saved the club, you are right you don't have to throw rose petals at his feet, chant his name of wear his merchandise, all im trying to point out is that without him regardless of what he has done since, we wouldn't have a club, there would not have been any other outcome than liquidation. We simply would not have agreed a CVA to maintain even Football League status, we would have simply vanished.

Please understand that simple line.

If you think owners in this modern era in football are simply going to do a Jack Walker and throw countless millions at the club without a return, you are deluded. Football regardless of what anyone says, is a Business. Any investor be it a group of or a simple investor, will want a return on his money.

Look at Chelsea, if Abramovic walks, Chelsea will disappear as they rely heavily on his money. the club will simply not survive. Thankfully along as we can maintain Premier League football and stick to strict financial restraints, we can stay afloat without the need for millions on a monthly basis from an investor.

i take it you were at the meeting the one that gwyn refers to as red or dead..mind you gwyn was not at the meeting.i was there and we were told that the club would not go bust like you are suggesting,but we would go into addmin and be deducted ten points..that would of ment tan losing his six million investment sam losing his money and a lot of other people losing out

Ive heard lots of rumours on Etien, that he was recommended to Tan by Mourinho or that Sir Alex said to Malky etc etc whatever happened Malky clearly doesn’t rate him.

To be honest its again a bit of a none article, if tan wants to buy a player with his money then he can. If true I find it more concerning that Malky was trying to mislead the fans with his “I been tracking him for 2 years” but again hardly a concern.

Ive heard lots of rumours on Etien, that he was recommended to Tan by Mourinho or that Sir Alex said to Malky etc etc whatever happened Malky clearly doesn’t rate him.

To be honest its again a bit of a none article, if tan wants to buy a player with his money then he can. If true I find it more concerning that Malky was trying to mislead the fans with his “I been tracking him for 2 years” but again hardly a concern.

The story is a non starter as straight from the horses mouth malky said he was tracking him for two years since his Watford days ,some people are just stiring

Aye,right enough Chuckles,and its jolly nice of you to acknowledge that fact because lets face it if he hadn't saved the club what the hell would you be doing right now.Crying into your beer like the rest of us I imagine.Its a pity you don't concentrate less on childish pointscoring and semantics because your clearly not stupid.

Where have I said that he didn't rescue the club? I've said it many times... What I don't agree with, is that we should just allow him to do whatever he wants with this club, just because he saved it.

The apathy about some of this loon's decisions, it's amazing, quite frankly.

Barry, you acknowledge he saved the club, you are right you don't have to throw rose petals at his feet, chant his name of wear his merchandise, all im trying to point out is that without him regardless of what he has done since, we wouldn't have a club, there would not have been any other outcome than liquidation. We simply would not have agreed a CVA to maintain even Football League status, we would have simply vanished.

Please understand that simple line.

If you think owners in this modern era in football are simply going to do a Jack Walker and throw countless millions at the club without a return, you are deluded. Football regardless of what anyone says, is a Business. Any investor be it a group of or a simple investor, will want a return on his money.

Look at Chelsea, if Abramovic walks, Chelsea will disappear as they rely heavily on his money. the club will simply not survive. Thankfully along as we can maintain Premier League football and stick to strict financial restraints, we can stay afloat without the need for millions on a monthly basis from an investor.

i take it you were at the meeting the one that gwyn refers to as red or dead..mind you gwyn was not at the meeting.i was there and we were told that the club would not go bust like you are suggesting,but we would go into addmin and be deducted ten points..that would of ment tan losing his six million investment sam losing his money and a lot of other people losing out

I was not at that meeting, however when a club goes into admin as you suggest, it does not simply mean the slate is cleared and we are docked 10 points.... its not that simple.

At the time, Cardiff City FC were trading insolvent. The club would have to have stripped back to bare bones to survive and that would have spelt the end for any academy/youth squad player. Staff would have been cut by a few hundred. We would then have to agree a CVA with the football league to show that we are able to agree a % in the pound to all creditors and any of them can refuse if necessary, prolonging our admin status, thus being refused entry into the football league.

Look at Darlington FC, went into admin 3 times between 2003 and 2012 owing about £20m, they were relegated 4 divisions and play in the Northern league Div One on the basis that a CVA could not be agreed between there creditors. We owed £30-£40m and didn't have have any assets, trust me it would have not been just admin and ten points.

I honestly feel if we did go into admin at that time, the way the club was run back then, we would have been liquidatedas we would not have been able to agree a CVA with Sam/Langstone. No way in a million years would it have been that simple to start again.

Knowing football and knowing the way a liquidator/administrator works, it would have been game over for CCFC as we know it.

Aye,right enough Chuckles,and its jolly nice of you to acknowledge that fact because lets face it if he hadn't saved the club what the hell would you be doing right now.Crying into your beer like the rest of us I imagine.Its a pity you don't concentrate less on childish pointscoring and semantics because your clearly not stupid.

Where have I said that he didn't rescue the club? I've said it many times... What I don't agree with, is that we should just allow him to do whatever he wants with this club, just because he saved it.

The apathy about some of this loon's decisions, it's amazing, quite frankly.

Barry, you acknowledge he saved the club, you are right you don't have to throw rose petals at his feet, chant his name of wear his merchandise, all im trying to point out is that without him regardless of what he has done since, we wouldn't have a club, there would not have been any other outcome than liquidation. We simply would not have agreed a CVA to maintain even Football League status, we would have simply vanished.

Please understand that simple line.

If you think owners in this modern era in football are simply going to do a Jack Walker and throw countless millions at the club without a return, you are deluded. Football regardless of what anyone says, is a Business. Any investor be it a group of or a simple investor, will want a return on his money.

Look at Chelsea, if Abramovic walks, Chelsea will disappear as they rely heavily on his money. the club will simply not survive. Thankfully along as we can maintain Premier League football and stick to strict financial restraints, we can stay afloat without the need for millions on a monthly basis from an investor.

i take it you were at the meeting the one that gwyn refers to as red or dead..mind you gwyn was not at the meeting.i was there and we were told that the club would not go bust like you are suggesting,but we would go into addmin and be deducted ten points..that would of ment tan losing his six million investment sam losing his money and a lot of other people losing out

I was not at that meeting, however when a club goes into admin as you suggest, it does not simply mean the slate is cleared and we are docked 10 points.... its not that simple.

At the time, Cardiff City FC were trading insolvent. The club would have to have stripped back to bare bones to survive and that would have spelt the end for any academy/youth squad player. Staff would have been cut by a few hundred. We would then have to agree a CVA with the football league to show that we are able to agree a % in the pound to all creditors and any of them can refuse if necessary, prolonging our admin status, thus being refused entry into the football league.

Look at Darlington FC, went into admin 3 times between 2003 and 2012 owing about £20m, they were relegated 4 divisions and play in the Northern league Div One on the basis that a CVA could not be agreed between there creditors. We owed £30-£40m and didn't have have any assets, trust me it would have not been just admin and ten points.

I honestly feel if we did go into admin at that time, the way the club was run back then, we would have been liquidatedas we would not have been able to agree a CVA with Sam/Langstone. No way in a million years would it have been that simple to start again.

Knowing football and knowing the way a liquidator/administrator works, it would have been game over for CCFC as we know it.

totally agree ,in this so called meeting didnt borely and whitely say that cardiff could only trade for a couple of months ?with out tans investment

He was asked about it in the press conference and dodged the question but sounded angry when he did.

Aye,right enough Chuckles,and its jolly nice of you to acknowledge that fact because lets face it if he hadn't saved the club what the hell would you be doing right now.Crying into your beer like the rest of us I imagine.Its a pity you don't concentrate less on childish pointscoring and semantics because your clearly not stupid.

Where have I said that he didn't rescue the club? I've said it many times... What I don't agree with, is that we should just allow him to do whatever he wants with this club, just because he saved it.

The apathy about some of this loon's decisions, it's amazing, quite frankly.

Barry, you acknowledge he saved the club, you are right you don't have to throw rose petals at his feet, chant his name of wear his merchandise, all im trying to point out is that without him regardless of what he has done since, we wouldn't have a club, there would not have been any other outcome than liquidation. We simply would not have agreed a CVA to maintain even Football League status, we would have simply vanished.

Please understand that simple line.

If you think owners in this modern era in football are simply going to do a Jack Walker and throw countless millions at the club without a return, you are deluded. Football regardless of what anyone says, is a Business. Any investor be it a group of or a simple investor, will want a return on his money.

Look at Chelsea, if Abramovic walks, Chelsea will disappear as they rely heavily on his money. the club will simply not survive. Thankfully along as we can maintain Premier League football and stick to strict financial restraints, we can stay afloat without the need for millions on a monthly basis from an investor.

i take it you were at the meeting the one that gwyn refers to as red or dead..mind you gwyn was not at the meeting.i was there and we were told that the club would not go bust like you are suggesting,but we would go into addmin and be deducted ten points..that would of ment tan losing his six million investment sam losing his money and a lot of other people losing out

I was not at that meeting, however when a club goes into admin as you suggest, it does not simply mean the slate is cleared and we are docked 10 points.... its not that simple.

At the time, Cardiff City FC were trading insolvent. The club would have to have stripped back to bare bones to survive and that would have spelt the end for any academy/youth squad player. Staff would have been cut by a few hundred. We would then have to agree a CVA with the football league to show that we are able to agree a % in the pound to all creditors and any of them can refuse if necessary, prolonging our admin status, thus being refused entry into the football league.

Look at Darlington FC, went into admin 3 times between 2003 and 2012 owing about £20m, they were relegated 4 divisions and play in the Northern league Div One on the basis that a CVA could not be agreed between there creditors. We owed £30-£40m and didn't have have any assets, trust me it would have not been just admin and ten points.

I honestly feel if we did go into admin at that time, the way the club was run back then, we would have been liquidatedas we would not have been able to agree a CVA with Sam/Langstone. No way in a million years would it have been that simple to start again.

Knowing football and knowing the way a liquidator/administrator works, it would have been game over for CCFC as we know it.

totally agree ,in this so called meeting didnt borely and whitely say that cardiff could only trade for a couple of months ?with out tans investment

I think any investor knowing what would have been the the inevitable, would have just retracted his funds as it would have been dropped into an empty hole.

I think saying it was not red or dead was an attempt to make fans accept the re-brand, I honestly do. Why? because at the time he announced the re-brand it was already done and agreed, plans were already drawn up months/years before. Don't get me wrong, i do respect what he did, like most fans I don't agree with the re-brand, but I do thank him for keeping this club alive.

Remember, a re-brand is a re-brand, it can always be reverted back, and I know a lot of fans like myself, who live in the belief that one day, all will be blue again.

So what. I'm not interested in players who don't make the team. If we were still a Championship team this wouldn't even be news. Agents are the curse of modern football - what's new?

95% of fans judge the club by the performance on the field, not who does what behind the scenes. The team has gone from strength to strength since Tans arrival and that is all I want to judge him on. Despite what some of you think, that is ALL that matters.

So what. I'm not interested in players who don't make the team. If we were still a Championship team this wouldn't even be news. Agents are the curse of modern football - what's new?

95% of fans judge the club by the performance on the field, not who does what behind the scenes. The team has gone from strength to strength since Tans arrival and that is all I want to judge him on. Despite what some of you think, that is ALL that matters.

THE TEAM IS ALOT BETTER SINCE VELIKONIA ARRIVED

So what. I'm not interested in players who don't make the team. If we were still a Championship team this wouldn't even be news. Agents are the curse of modern football - what's new?

95% of fans judge the club by the performance on the field, not who does what behind the scenes. The team has gone from strength to strength since Tans arrival and that is all I want to judge him on. Despite what some of you think, that is ALL that matters.

THE TEAM IS ALOT BETTER SINCE VELIKONIA ARRIVED

wes get a life you were so far up sams arse when he owned the the club it is the same with tan,,but there you go with the flow AND DONT FORGET YOU WERE NOT AT THE MEETING..SO WHAT DO YOU KNOW..JACK SHIT

So what. I'm not interested in players who don't make the team. If we were still a Championship team this wouldn't even be news. Agents are the curse of modern football - what's new?

95% of fans judge the club by the performance on the field, not who does what behind the scenes. The team has gone from strength to strength since Tans arrival and that is all I want to judge him on. Despite what some of you think, that is ALL that matters.

THE TEAM IS ALOT BETTER SINCE VELIKONIA ARRIVED

wes get a life you were so far up sams arse when he owned the the club it is the same with tan,,but there you go with the flow AND DONT FORGET YOU WERE NOT AT THE MEETING..SO WHAT DO YOU KNOW..JACK SHIT

That's bollocks and you know that ,what does at a meeting have to do with this thread ?????? The fact is malky was the man who track this player and he's stated that when he signed him

Aye,right enough Chuckles,and its jolly nice of you to acknowledge that fact because lets face it if he hadn't saved the club what the hell would you be doing right now.Crying into your beer like the rest of us I imagine.Its a pity you don't concentrate less on childish pointscoring and semantics because your clearly not stupid.

Where have I said that he didn't rescue the club? I've said it many times... What I don't agree with, is that we should just allow him to do whatever he wants with this club, just because he saved it.

The apathy about some of this loon's decisions, it's amazing, quite frankly.

Barry, you acknowledge he saved the club, you are right you don't have to throw rose petals at his feet, chant his name of wear his merchandise, all im trying to point out is that without him regardless of what he has done since, we wouldn't have a club, there would not have been any other outcome than liquidation. We simply would not have agreed a CVA to maintain even Football League status, we would have simply vanished.

Please understand that simple line.

If you think owners in this modern era in football are simply going to do a Jack Walker and throw countless millions at the club without a return, you are deluded. Football regardless of what anyone says, is a Business. Any investor be it a group of or a simple investor, will want a return on his money.

Look at Chelsea, if Abramovic walks, Chelsea will disappear as they rely heavily on his money. the club will simply not survive. Thankfully along as we can maintain Premier League football and stick to strict financial restraints, we can stay afloat without the need for millions on a monthly basis from an investor.

i take it you were at the meeting the one that gwyn refers to as red or dead..mind you gwyn was not at the meeting.i was there and we were told that the club would not go bust like you are suggesting,but we would go into addmin and be deducted ten points..that would of ment tan losing his six million investment sam losing his money and a lot of other people losing out

I was not at that meeting, however when a club goes into admin as you suggest, it does not simply mean the slate is cleared and we are docked 10 points.... its not that simple.

At the time, Cardiff City FC were trading insolvent. The club would have to have stripped back to bare bones to survive and that would have spelt the end for any academy/youth squad player. Staff would have been cut by a few hundred. We would then have to agree a CVA with the football league to show that we are able to agree a % in the pound to all creditors and any of them can refuse if necessary, prolonging our admin status, thus being refused entry into the football league.

Look at Darlington FC, went into admin 3 times between 2003 and 2012 owing about £20m, they were relegated 4 divisions and play in the Northern league Div One on the basis that a CVA could not be agreed between there creditors. We owed £30-£40m and didn't have have any assets, trust me it would have not been just admin and ten points.

I honestly feel if we did go into admin at that time, the way the club was run back then, we would have been liquidatedas we would not have been able to agree a CVA with Sam/Langstone. No way in a million years would it have been that simple to start again.

Knowing football and knowing the way a liquidator/administrator works, it would have been game over for CCFC as we know it.

totally agree ,in this so called meeting didnt borely and whitely say that cardiff could only trade for a couple of months ?with out tans investment there you go again wes borely was not at the meeting so you know jack shit if you were at the meeting.. maybe you might have a opinion..

Aye,right enough Chuckles,and its jolly nice of you to acknowledge that fact because lets face it if he hadn't saved the club what the hell would you be doing right now.Crying into your beer like the rest of us I imagine.Its a pity you don't concentrate less on childish pointscoring and semantics because your clearly not stupid.

Where have I said that he didn't rescue the club? I've said it many times... What I don't agree with, is that we should just allow him to do whatever he wants with this club, just because he saved it.

The apathy about some of this loon's decisions, it's amazing, quite frankly.

Barry, you acknowledge he saved the club, you are right you don't have to throw rose petals at his feet, chant his name of wear his merchandise, all im trying to point out is that without him regardless of what he has done since, we wouldn't have a club, there would not have been any other outcome than liquidation. We simply would not have agreed a CVA to maintain even Football League status, we would have simply vanished.

Please understand that simple line.

If you think owners in this modern era in football are simply going to do a Jack Walker and throw countless millions at the club without a return, you are deluded. Football regardless of what anyone says, is a Business. Any investor be it a group of or a simple investor, will want a return on his money.

Look at Chelsea, if Abramovic walks, Chelsea will disappear as they rely heavily on his money. the club will simply not survive. Thankfully along as we can maintain Premier League football and stick to strict financial restraints, we can stay afloat without the need for millions on a monthly basis from an investor.

i take it you were at the meeting the one that gwyn refers to as red or dead..mind you gwyn was not at the meeting.i was there and we were told that the club would not go bust like you are suggesting,but we would go into addmin and be deducted ten points..that would of ment tan losing his six million investment sam losing his money and a lot of other people losing out

I was not at that meeting, however when a club goes into admin as you suggest, it does not simply mean the slate is cleared and we are docked 10 points.... its not that simple.

At the time, Cardiff City FC were trading insolvent. The club would have to have stripped back to bare bones to survive and that would have spelt the end for any academy/youth squad player. Staff would have been cut by a few hundred. We would then have to agree a CVA with the football league to show that we are able to agree a % in the pound to all creditors and any of them can refuse if necessary, prolonging our admin status, thus being refused entry into the football league.

Look at Darlington FC, went into admin 3 times between 2003 and 2012 owing about £20m, they were relegated 4 divisions and play in the Northern league Div One on the basis that a CVA could not be agreed between there creditors. We owed £30-£40m and didn't have have any assets, trust me it would have not been just admin and ten points.

I honestly feel if we did go into admin at that time, the way the club was run back then, we would have been liquidatedas we would not have been able to agree a CVA with Sam/Langstone. No way in a million years would it have been that simple to start again.

Knowing football and knowing the way a liquidator/administrator works, it would have been game over for CCFC as we know it.

totally agree ,in this so called meeting didnt borely and whitely say that cardiff could only trade for a couple of months ?with out tans investment there you go again wes borely was not at the meeting so you know jack shit if you were at the meeting.. maybe you might have a opinion..

whitely was and going off vince alm post on here after the meeting glen we were fooked were we not ?

Aye,right enough Chuckles,and its jolly nice of you to acknowledge that fact because lets face it if he hadn't saved the club what the hell would you be doing right now.Crying into your beer like the rest of us I imagine.Its a pity you don't concentrate less on childish pointscoring and semantics because your clearly not stupid.

Where have I said that he didn't rescue the club? I've said it many times... What I don't agree with, is that we should just allow him to do whatever he wants with this club, just because he saved it.

The apathy about some of this loon's decisions, it's amazing, quite frankly.

Barry, you acknowledge he saved the club, you are right you don't have to throw rose petals at his feet, chant his name of wear his merchandise, all im trying to point out is that without him regardless of what he has done since, we wouldn't have a club, there would not have been any other outcome than liquidation. We simply would not have agreed a CVA to maintain even Football League status, we would have simply vanished.

Please understand that simple line.

If you think owners in this modern era in football are simply going to do a Jack Walker and throw countless millions at the club without a return, you are deluded. Football regardless of what anyone says, is a Business. Any investor be it a group of or a simple investor, will want a return on his money.

Look at Chelsea, if Abramovic walks, Chelsea will disappear as they rely heavily on his money. the club will simply not survive. Thankfully along as we can maintain Premier League football and stick to strict financial restraints, we can stay afloat without the need for millions on a monthly basis from an investor.

i take it you were at the meeting the one that gwyn refers to as red or dead..mind you gwyn was not at the meeting.i was there and we were told that the club would not go bust like you are suggesting,but we would go into addmin and be deducted ten points..that would of ment tan losing his six million investment sam losing his money and a lot of other people losing out

I was not at that meeting, however when a club goes into admin as you suggest, it does not simply mean the slate is cleared and we are docked 10 points.... its not that simple.

At the time, Cardiff City FC were trading insolvent. The club would have to have stripped back to bare bones to survive and that would have spelt the end for any academy/youth squad player. Staff would have been cut by a few hundred. We would then have to agree a CVA with the football league to show that we are able to agree a % in the pound to all creditors and any of them can refuse if necessary, prolonging our admin status, thus being refused entry into the football league.

Look at Darlington FC, went into admin 3 times between 2003 and 2012 owing about £20m, they were relegated 4 divisions and play in the Northern league Div One on the basis that a CVA could not be agreed between there creditors. We owed £30-£40m and didn't have have any assets, trust me it would have not been just admin and ten points.

I honestly feel if we did go into admin at that time, the way the club was run back then, we would have been liquidatedas we would not have been able to agree a CVA with Sam/Langstone. No way in a million years would it have been that simple to start again.

Knowing football and knowing the way a liquidator/administrator works, it would have been game over for CCFC as we know it.

totally agree ,in this so called meeting didnt borely and whitely say that cardiff could only trade for a couple of months ?with out tans investment there you go again wes borely was not at the meeting so you know jack shit if you were at the meeting.. maybe you might have a opinion..

whitely was and going off vince alm post on here after the meeting glen we were fooked were we not ?

vince was not at the f*cking meeting wez

Aye,right enough Chuckles,and its jolly nice of you to acknowledge that fact because lets face it if he hadn't saved the club what the hell would you be doing right now.Crying into your beer like the rest of us I imagine.Its a pity you don't concentrate less on childish pointscoring and semantics because your clearly not stupid.

Where have I said that he didn't rescue the club? I've said it many times... What I don't agree with, is that we should just allow him to do whatever he wants with this club, just because he saved it.

The apathy about some of this loon's decisions, it's amazing, quite frankly.

Barry, you acknowledge he saved the club, you are right you don't have to throw rose petals at his feet, chant his name of wear his merchandise, all im trying to point out is that without him regardless of what he has done since, we wouldn't have a club, there would not have been any other outcome than liquidation. We simply would not have agreed a CVA to maintain even Football League status, we would have simply vanished.

Please understand that simple line.

If you think owners in this modern era in football are simply going to do a Jack Walker and throw countless millions at the club without a return, you are deluded. Football regardless of what anyone says, is a Business. Any investor be it a group of or a simple investor, will want a return on his money.

Look at Chelsea, if Abramovic walks, Chelsea will disappear as they rely heavily on his money. the club will simply not survive. Thankfully along as we can maintain Premier League football and stick to strict financial restraints, we can stay afloat without the need for millions on a monthly basis from an investor.

i take it you were at the meeting the one that gwyn refers to as red or dead..mind you gwyn was not at the meeting.i was there and we were told that the club would not go bust like you are suggesting,but we would go into addmin and be deducted ten points..that would of ment tan losing his six million investment sam losing his money and a lot of other people losing out

I was not at that meeting, however when a club goes into admin as you suggest, it does not simply mean the slate is cleared and we are docked 10 points.... its not that simple.

At the time, Cardiff City FC were trading insolvent. The club would have to have stripped back to bare bones to survive and that would have spelt the end for any academy/youth squad player. Staff would have been cut by a few hundred. We would then have to agree a CVA with the football league to show that we are able to agree a % in the pound to all creditors and any of them can refuse if necessary, prolonging our admin status, thus being refused entry into the football league.

Look at Darlington FC, went into admin 3 times between 2003 and 2012 owing about £20m, they were relegated 4 divisions and play in the Northern league Div One on the basis that a CVA could not be agreed between there creditors. We owed £30-£40m and didn't have have any assets, trust me it would have not been just admin and ten points.
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I honestly feel if we did go into admin at that time, the way the club was run back then, we would have been liquidatedas we would not have been able to agree a CVA with Sam/Langstone. No way in a million years would it have been that simple to start again.

Knowing football and knowing the way a liquidator/administrator works, it would have been game over for CCFC as we know it.

totally agree ,in this so called meeting didnt borely and whitely say that cardiff could only trade for a couple of months ?with out tans investment there you go again wes borely was not at the meeting so you know jack shit if you were at the meeting.. maybe you might have a opinion..

whitely was and going off vince alm post on here after the meeting glen we were fooked were we not ?

vince was not at the f*cking meeting wez

where was your mate borely that you said was at the meeting more lies

Aye,right enough Chuckles,and its jolly nice of you to acknowledge that fact because lets face it if he hadn't saved the club what the hell would you be doing right now.Crying into your beer like the rest of us I imagine.Its a pity you don't concentrate less on childish pointscoring and semantics because your clearly not stupid.

Where have I said that he didn't rescue the club? I've said it many times... What I don't agree with, is that we should just allow him to do whatever he wants with this club, just because he saved it.

The apathy about some of this loon's decisions, it's amazing, quite frankly.

Barry, you acknowledge he saved the club, you are right you don't have to throw rose petals at his feet, chant his name of wear his merchandise, all im trying to point out is that without him regardless of what he has done since, we wouldn't have a club, there would not have been any other outcome than liquidation. We simply would not have agreed a CVA to maintain even Football League status, we would have simply vanished.

Please understand that simple line.

If you think owners in this modern era in football are simply going to do a Jack Walker and throw countless millions at the club without a return, you are deluded. Football regardless of what anyone says, is a Business. Any investor be it a group of or a simple investor, will want a return on his money.

Look at Chelsea, if Abramovic walks, Chelsea will disappear as they rely heavily on his money. the club will simply not survive. Thankfully along as we can maintain Premier League football and stick to strict financial restraints, we can stay afloat without the need for millions on a monthly basis from an investor.

i take it you were at the meeting the one that gwyn refers to as red or dead..mind you gwyn was not at the meeting.i was there and we were told that the club would not go bust like you are suggesting,but we would go into addmin and be deducted ten points..that would of ment tan losing his six million investment sam losing his money and a lot of other people losing out

I was not at that meeting, however when a club goes into admin as you suggest, it does not simply mean the slate is cleared and we are docked 10 points.... its not that simple.

At the time, Cardiff City FC were trading insolvent. The club would have to have stripped back to bare bones to survive and that would have spelt the end for any academy/youth squad player. Staff would have been cut by a few hundred. We would then have to agree a CVA with the football league to show that we are able to agree a % in the pound to all creditors and any of them can refuse if necessary, prolonging our admin status, thus being refused entry into the football league.

Look at Darlington FC, went into admin 3 times between 2003 and 2012 owing about £20m, they were relegated 4 divisions and play in the Northern league Div One on the basis that a CVA could not be agreed between there creditors. We owed £30-£40m and didn't have have any assets, trust me it would have not been just admin and ten points.

I honestly feel if we did go into admin at that time, the way the club was run back then, we would have been liquidatedas we would not have been able to agree a CVA with Sam/Langstone. No way in a million years would it have been that simple to start again.

Knowing football and knowing the way a liquidator/administrator works, it would have been game over for CCFC as we know it.

totally agree ,in this so called meeting didnt borely and whitely say that cardiff could only trade for a couple of months ?with out tans investment there you go again wes borely was not at the meeting so you know jack shit if you were at the meeting.. maybe you might have a opinion..

whitely was and going off vince alm post on here after the meeting glen we were fooked were we not ?

vince was not at the f*cking meeting wez

when the rebrand was discussed he was?

Red alert Wez is off again Tan has commanded him

Aye,right enough Chuckles,and its jolly nice of you to acknowledge that fact because lets face it if he hadn't saved the club what the hell would you be doing right now.Crying into your beer like the rest of us I imagine.Its a pity you don't concentrate less on childish pointscoring and semantics because your clearly not stupid.

Where have I said that he didn't rescue the club? I've said it many times... What I don't agree with, is that we should just allow him to do whatever he wants with this club, just because he saved it.

The apathy about some of this loon's decisions, it's amazing, quite frankly.

Barry, you acknowledge he saved the club, you are right you don't have to throw rose petals at his feet, chant his name of wear his merchandise, all im trying to point out is that without him regardless of what he has done since, we wouldn't have a club, there would not have been any other outcome than liquidation. We simply would not have agreed a CVA to maintain even Football League status, we would have simply vanished.

Please understand that simple line.

If you think owners in this modern era in football are simply going to do a Jack Walker and throw countless millions at the club without a return, you are deluded. Football regardless of what anyone says, is a Business. Any investor be it a group of or a simple investor, will want a return on his money.

Look at Chelsea, if Abramovic walks, Chelsea will disappear as they rely heavily on his money. the club will simply not survive. Thankfully along as we can maintain Premier League football and stick to strict financial restraints, we can stay afloat without the need for millions on a monthly basis from an investor.

i take it you were at the meeting the one that gwyn refers to as red or dead..mind you gwyn was not at the meeting.i was there and we were told that the club would not go bust like you are suggesting,but we would go into addmin and be deducted ten points..that would of ment tan losing his six million investment sam losing his money and a lot of other people losing out

I was not at that meeting, however when a club goes into admin as you suggest, it does not simply mean the slate is cleared and we are docked 10 points.... its not that simple.

At the time, Cardiff City FC were trading insolvent. The club would have to have stripped back to bare bones to survive and that would have spelt the end for any academy/youth squad player. Staff would have been cut by a few hundred. We would then have to agree a CVA with the football league to show that we are able to agree a % in the pound to all creditors and any of them can refuse if necessary, prolonging our admin status, thus being refused entry into the football league.

Look at Darlington FC, went into admin 3 times between 2003 and 2012 owing about £20m, they were relegated 4 divisions and play in the Northern league Div One on the basis that a CVA could not be agreed between there creditors. We owed £30-£40m and didn't have have any assets, trust me it would have not been just admin and ten points.
ely
I honestly feel if we did go into admin at that time, the way the club was run back then, we would have been liquidatedas we would not have been able to agree a CVA with Sam/Langstone. No way in a million years would it have been that simple to start again.

Knowing football and knowing the way a liquidator/administrator works, it would have been game over for CCFC as we know it.

totally agree ,in this so called meeting didnt borely and whitely say that cardiff could only trade for a couple of months ?with out tans investment there you go again wes borely was not at the meeting so you know jack shit if you were at the meeting.. maybe you might have a opinion..

whitely was and going off vince alm post on here after the meeting glen we were fooked were we not ?

vince was not at the f*cking meeting wez

where was your mate borely that you said was at the meeting more lies

and like i said allan whitely told the people there ..you were not one off them.. that the club would go into addmin and be deduckted ten points..but the powers to be i.e directors wanted there bit off flesh..and to take every thing they could..before we went into addmin

Aye,right enough Chuckles,and its jolly nice of you to acknowledge that fact because lets face it if he hadn't saved the club what the hell would you be doing right now.Crying into your beer like the rest of us I imagine.Its a pity you don't concentrate less on childish pointscoring and semantics because your clearly not stupid.

Where have I said that he didn't rescue the club? I've said it many times... What I don't agree with, is that we should just allow him to do whatever he wants with this club, just because he saved it.

The apathy about some of this loon's decisions, it's amazing, quite frankly.

Barry, you acknowledge he saved the club, you are right you don't have to throw rose petals at his feet, chant his name of wear his merchandise, all im trying to point out is that without him regardless of what he has done since, we wouldn't have a club, there would not have been any other outcome than liquidation. We simply would not have agreed a CVA to maintain even Football League status, we would have simply vanished.

Please understand that simple line.

If you think owners in this modern era in football are simply going to do a Jack Walker and throw countless millions at the club without a return, you are deluded. Football regardless of what anyone says, is a Business. Any investor be it a group of or a simple investor, will want a return on his money.

Look at Chelsea, if Abramovic walks, Chelsea will disappear as they rely heavily on his money. the club will simply not survive. Thankfully along as we can maintain Premier League football and stick to strict financial restraints, we can stay afloat without the need for millions on a monthly basis from an investor.

i take it you were at the meeting the one that gwyn refers to as red or dead..mind you gwyn was not at the meeting.i was there and we were told that the club would not go bust like you are suggesting,but we would go into addmin and be deducted ten points..that would of ment tan losing his six million investment sam losing his money and a lot of other people losing out

I was not at that meeting, however when a club goes into admin as you suggest, it does not simply mean the slate is cleared and we are docked 10 points.... its not that simple.

At the time, Cardiff City FC were trading insolvent. The club would have to have stripped back to bare bones to survive and that would have spelt the end for any academy/youth squad player. Staff would have been cut by a few hundred. We would then have to agree a CVA with the football league to show that we are able to agree a % in the pound to all creditors and any of them can refuse if necessary, prolonging our admin status, thus being refused entry into the football league.

Look at Darlington FC, went into admin 3 times between 2003 and 2012 owing about £20m, they were relegated 4 divisions and play in the Northern league Div One on the basis that a CVA could not be agreed between there creditors. We owed £30-£40m and didn't have have any assets, trust me it would have not been just admin and ten points.

I honestly feel if we did go into admin at that time, the way the club was run back then, we would have been liquidatedas we would not have been able to agree a CVA with Sam/Langstone. No way in a million years would it have been that simple to start again.

Knowing football and knowing the way a liquidator/administrator works, it would have been game over for CCFC as we know it.

totally agree ,in this so called meeting didnt borely and whitely say that cardiff could only trade for a couple of months ?with out tans investment there you go again wes borely was not at the meeting so you know jack shit if you were at the meeting.. maybe you might have a opinion..

whitely was and going off vince alm post on here after the meeting glen we were fooked were we not ?

vince was not at the f*cking meeting wez

when the rebrand was discussed he was?

who was then? i wasnt,you wernt im only going off memory of what vince ,gwyn and corky said at the time it was two years maybe ive got confussed but whitely 100% said without tans investment we would only carry on a few months and administration was on the cards ,so as nurmous posters have said tans money saved us ,would you of prefered to go in to administration rather than having tans money ?

yes i would of prefered to go into admin..and like you said in your post we would of gone into admin and deducted ten points every one of the directors would of lost there money..so dont let a good story get in the way of the truth..we were never red or dead according to whitely