' My Welcome '

We all pay money ( different amounts granted ) to support our team through thick and thin , why I love football and the reasons I choose to pay to watch it will vary from everybody else's as we all have different match day experiences and ideals !! The people that sit around me , a good mix of generations too will agree we go with the flow if people are stood we stand if people sit we sit! And I don't see anything wrong with that !!

I understand the rules and regulations but the club haven't enforced them from day 1 and that's my point !! Hopefully it can be put to bed sometime and we can unite behind the team !

thats all great but when you handed your money over you agreed to follow a set of rules and regs whether the club enforce them or not. if you break them you open yourself up to getting in trouble. now you are allowed to stand up during moments of excitement so dont let stewards tell you you have to sit down for the whole 90 minutes (this is where the knot starts to get tied)

You sound like a barrel of laughs

IAM a Season Ticket Holder in Row117 since the Ground Was Built , And a season Ticket holder for 20 odd Years ,Been Following City for 44 years. I was treated the Same as you were when I came in. I would prefer to sit down and watch the game , But I agree with you it does affect the crowd . And I Would prefer all of us to stand or sit one all the other. It seems like the club are Giveing the away fans a Hand by letting Them stand has they seam Noisey , The club seem to want to Tie our hands behind our backs And that Choir Just Shot us in the Foot. I've watched a lot of Shit over the years with crowds of 1800 home and away. Live 80 miles Round trip away from cardiff, With Bubble trips and not being able to get away tickets now we are in the Premier. Becareful city I don't think I could do again. Rant Over.

We all pay money ( different amounts granted ) to support our team through thick and thin , why I love football and the reasons I choose to pay to watch it will vary from everybody else's as we all have different match day experiences and ideals !! The people that sit around me , a good mix of generations too will agree we go with the flow if people are stood we stand if people sit we sit! And I don't see anything wrong with that !!

I understand the rules and regulations but the club haven't enforced them from day 1 and that's my point !! Hopefully it can be put to bed sometime and we can unite behind the team !

thats all great but when you handed your money over you agreed to follow a set of rules and regs whether the club enforce them or not. if you break them you open yourself up to getting in trouble. now you are allowed to stand up during moments of excitement so dont let stewards tell you you have to sit down for the whole 90 minutes (this is where the knot starts to get tied)

You sound like a barrel of laughs

thanks I do try

if people want to break the rules fine go for it just hate it when people moan about the consequences

The club cant have their cake and eat it - Blind eye for the Canton stand, enforce the rules elsewhere.
Club want us to be as vocal as possible yet stewards march up and down the blocks telling people to sit down, essentially spoiling the atmosphere. One week they ignore it the next week they are on it.
I think in closed season the safe standing blocks used heavily in the Bundesliga need to be installed or at least open the issue up for consultation, allow people the choice in voting for a preference.

I am in 117 row S and there are usually around 95% of fans at least willing/wanting to stand. One thing is clear to me, atmosphere is improved when we are not treated as naughty schoolboys and left alone to stand. Yes you can sit down and sing/chant but be honest, this is not when a good atmosphere is created

I hope VT was also warned for persistent standing and has his letter informing him of a 5 match ban

So did the rest of the ground, including the away section. Like I said in my original post. CONSISTENCY!!! One rule for one, one for another. You either stick to the rule 100% or not at all, as soon as they allowed one section to stand they opened themselves up for this sort of debate.
Are you going to the question I asked?? An honest answer please, not just one to back your opinion up.

no what your doing is using a situation to persuade people that your right

you want to stand for the whole game? no problem go to the Canton stand

you like your view from the ninian stand? no problem sit down

youve got to choose whats more important your view or standing

I agree with consistency not the way you perceive it that if I have to sit down everybody else has to sit down

I believe in consistency that if the club wants you to sit down they have to sit the fans every game not just ones where they are being watched.

Am I going to answer your question? I did you asked why there wasnt written confirmation I told you it was when you bought the ticket, its not the clubs fault if you dont read your contract.

Honest answer? yes thats my honest answer but sorry my answer will suit my opinion, because my answer will be based on my opinion and the ground regulations, also my experiences both as a fan and a steward all of which has formed my opinion, a bit of a redundant statement that really never mind.

I absolutely agree with you on this one.
It's also common sense and all of the season ticket holders get a choice come the start of the season what stand to sit in.

I wasn't sure whether I wanted to go in the Canton or in the Ninian for the above reasons but in the end I picked the Ninian for the view. The atmosphere obviously changes when the team does something impressive on the field but sitting down and chanting can still generate the same atmosphere as standing.

In the Man City game though, there was this man at the game - absolutely hammered... He was standing up on his own (114 btw)... There was a kid behind him who couldn't see. We all kept telling him to sit down but he continued to stand. It's decency to fellow fans by sitting down in the Ninian.

I don't see why people are even complaining. It really isn't important at all.

As for someone saying about VT standing too, I agree with them... VT stands all game, whether its by his seat or on the steps and I can see why other fans are getting frustrated with the hypocrisy. However, as Jonny as said - If it's the view you want the stay in the Ninian or if you want to stand then go in the Canton. If not, don't complain when the Stewards tell you off.

The club aren't turning a blind eye to standing in the Canton stand. It's an unwritten understanding that fans who want to stand can do so in there. They do this to placate those who want to stand up. They do it in the hope that it will be appreciated as a gesture and one which everyone understands. They could of course insist on everyone sitting in the Canton as well. The reasoning behind their so called ' turning a blind eye' is in the hope of confining those who want to stand up to section where they wont spoil the enjoyment of '' sitters".

Anyone asking the question 'is there a better atmosphere when everyone stands' is asking a stupid question really. If atmosphere = enjoyment' then I'd enjoy it more if I could see the game from my seat.

The same goes for the mistaken belief that most people in 117 want to stand. Once a few get up everyone else has no option. They either stand as well or miss the game.

It's a totally self centred attitude that disregards the enjoyment of others.

I spoke today to one of our head Stewards, He said that during the games as well as having letters to our club, they now and again get complaints, of usually fans who have never sat in that area of the Ninian Stand before and usually new fans who say I paid to sit down, so they have no other choice but to follow it through.
So I said what about the big games, he answered then your talking about thousands standing, not hundreds so we say, " please look what can we do? " so thats why we then dont do anything Hmm

I experienced the same welcome, no hello...nothing. Just an aggresive attitude towards us fans who haven't even reached their seats, threating us with a 5 match ban if we stand. The club make a great effort in welcoming and hosting the away fans but it would be nice to have some of that friendly service now and then.

I've read most of the posts within this topic and some questions aren't really getting answered. The 'no standing' situation in the Ninian Stand is a confusing one, I've been in the Ninian Stand since the opening of the CCS. The view is brilliant, the atmosphere at times is amazing. But I'm afraid the club are not being consistant with policies, since the opening of 2009 there have been games where we have stood all game (Swansea home, playoff semi final are some examples), nothing was said. Most recently Man City, nothing was said. The big games if you will, where the atmosphere has been electric ( it's not a coincidence it's a great atmosphere when we stand).

It was very frustrating on Saturday to be told to sit down when 20 yards away, 2,000+ fans are stood up with no one asking them to sit down. The argument of 'go to the Canton Stand if you want to stand up' isn't really a great reply. You can't just have certain areas of the ground with different policies. Someone stated earlier that it's an Health & Safety issue, well if that's the case everyone should sit down as the seating area in the ground is exactly the same wherever you go. I respect the fact that the club have given fans a certain area of the ground to stand up, but unfortunetly that policy has come back to bite them on the arse. Someone stated earlier that people can't see if people stand, well we could argue that point and say they can go further down the Ninian Stand or to another part of the ground.
I felt for the stewards a bit because they were just doing what they're told, and they couldn't really answer the questions people were asking.

Why can't we stand in the Ninian Stand? I, like many, would actually like to see a genuine answer and not just 'because that's the clubs policy', that's not a strong enough argument. Maybe it could be possible to come to some sort of agreement that in future games we'll be able to stand. It does effect the atmosphere whether we stand or sit, but the club can't just say some games we have to sit or face a 5 match ban, then the next game nothing is said if we stand.

I love the idea someone had of changing the seats similar to the ones they have in the German grounds, but sadly that isn't an option for the club. I do believe it would solve a lot of situations around the country because I know for a fact that we're not the only club that has this problem.

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