Chris Kamara

Roath. Did you miss my last reply or choose to ignore it?

Nope, read it but didnt really think it needed a reply.

You said stats can be interpreted differently. I disagree in this instance. I think Canas has contributed the same if not more to Swansea in terms of performance as Medel has to Cardiff... Im yet to see or read anything of note that contradicts this.

:lol: yeah ok and Torres is better than Benteke too then

We are talking about now, not before. And canas is playing better as the stats show. Just as the stats show Benteke playing better than torres - funny that.

It's certainly true that when it comes to time sat on the bench Canas is ahead of Medel this season, then of course we shouldn't forget that Canas has also been booked twice this season as well.


Now we are only 6 games in to the season but Gary Medel has played over 100 minutes more than Canas already and I've yet to hear any pundit talking about Canas in the way they have been talking about Gary Medel.

More game time, more appreciation by the pundits and yet Roath Tragic says Canas is playing better at the moment. Hmmm



Nothing changes does it Tragic.

Oh we are back to the pundits again you are right it seems nothing does change.

You say hes better because hes played an extra game then and ill say hes not because canas tackles more often, more successfully, makes more key passes, more defensive blocks and interceptions and more key passes.

Looks like we have got some common ground after all

So you are saying Canas has made "Double" key passes or have you just not proof read what you have posted


You do understand in terms of player Stats a "Key Pass" is normally associated with an assist and we both know that Canas, like Medel, have no assists this season. You also don't get "Double" points for passing the ball backwards and sideways.

And as for "More defensive blocks" well he was certainly watching on admiring Ramsey scoring last night. If your not sure he is the player with 21 and Canas on his shirt.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24185190


Now that's what I call class defending.

Roath. Did you miss my last reply or choose to ignore it?

Nope, read it but didnt really think it needed a reply.

You said stats can be interpreted differently. I disagree in this instance. I think Canas has contributed the same if not more to Swansea in terms of performance as Medel has to Cardiff... Im yet to see or read anything of note that contradicts this.

Say no more! You disagree in this instance as it does not support your argument.

So you are saying Canas has made "Double" key passes or have you just not proof read what you have posted


You do understand in terms of player Stats a "Key Pass" is normally associated with an assist and we both know that Canas, like Medel, have no assists this season. You also don't get "Double" points for passing the ball backwards and sideways.

And as for "More defensive blocks" well he was certainly watching on admiring Ramsey scoring last night. If your not sure he is the player with 21 and Canas on his shirt.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24185190


Now that's what I call class defending.

I didnt mention the word double

A key pass does mot mean an assist at all, it could be a threaded throughball for Michu who lays it across for Bony to score for example. Making up definitions isnt a good base for a debate.

Medel watched as Ruiz scored too... Your point? Its a fact he makes more successful blocks than medel per game, this is not an opinion buy a fact. Next?

Roath. Did you miss my last reply or choose to ignore it?

Nope, read it but didnt really think it needed a reply.

You said stats can be interpreted differently. I disagree in this instance. I think Canas has contributed the same if not more to Swansea in terms of performance as Medel has to Cardiff... Im yet to see or read anything of note that contradicts this.

Say no more! You disagree in this instance as it does not support your argument.

I disagree because you have given me no reason to agree. You have suggested that "maybe" stats can be misinterpreted yet have failed to give me a reason what HAS been misinterpreted.

Tell me whats been misinterpreted and i can tell you whether i agree or not, but at the moment there is nothing to agree or disagree with,

So you are saying Canas has made "Double" key passes or have you just not proof read what you have posted


You do understand in terms of player Stats a "Key Pass" is normally associated with an assist and we both know that Canas, like Medel, have no assists this season. You also don't get "Double" points for passing the ball backwards and sideways.

And as for "More defensive blocks" well he was certainly watching on admiring Ramsey scoring last night. If your not sure he is the player with 21 and Canas on his shirt.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24185190


Now that's what I call class defending.

I didnt mention the word double

A key pass does mot mean an assist at all, it could be a threaded throughball for Michu who lays it across for Bony to score for example. Making up definitions isnt a good base for a debate.

Medel watched as Ruiz scored too... Your point? Its a fact he makes more successful blocks than medel per game, this is not an opinion buy a fact. Next?

That's true Tragic you didn't use the word double you just used the phrase " More Key Passes" twice which let's face it is "Double" of "Once". Why did you do that Tragic - embellishment ?

The thing is about Canas watching on whilst Ramsey walks through to score is that the player you say is playing SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO well at the moment is only looking on as the current highest rated midfield player in the PL walks through to score. What happened did Laudrup not explain his job to him properly Maybe he should try drawing him a picture because he looks totally lost in that photograph. Would Medel have stopped him scoring, I don't know, but from what I have seen of Medel he would have been a lot closer and not stood still watching on.

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... -september

That's true Tragic you didn't use the word double you just used the phrase " More Key Passes" twice which let's face it is "Double" of "Once". Why did you do that Tragic - embellishment ?

ah you were being silly, i should have known


The thing is about Canas watching on whilst Ramsey walks through to score is that the player you say is playing SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO well at the moment is only looking on as the current highest rated midfield player in the PL walks through to score. What happened did Laudrup not explain his job to him properly Maybe he should try drawing him a picture because he looks totally lost in that photograph. Would Medel have stopped him scoring, I don't know, but from what I have seen of Medel he would have been a lot closer and not stood still watching on.

im not saying hes playing soooooooooooo well. I said hes doing no less than Medel, which is a fact not an opinion. I dont think canas could have stopped Ramsey and I dont think Medel could have, arsenal had many players to pick up, theres only one of him

You have a very odd "tone" to your posts. Maybe a bit of sensible debate would be better suited rather than this nonsense. Now then, tell me, what do you think Medel has done, in terms of performance, better than Canas to be worthy of the £11m price tag?

That's true Tragic you didn't use the word double you just used the phrase " More Key Passes" twice which let's face it is "Double" of "Once". Why did you do that Tragic - embellishment ?

ah you were being silly, i should have known


The thing is about Canas watching on whilst Ramsey walks through to score is that the player you say is playing SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO well at the moment is only looking on as the current highest rated midfield player in the PL walks through to score. What happened did Laudrup not explain his job to him properly Maybe he should try drawing him a picture because he looks totally lost in that photograph. Would Medel have stopped him scoring, I don't know, but from what I have seen of Medel he would have been a lot closer and not stood still watching on.

im not saying hes playing soooooooooooo well. I said hes doing no less than Medel, which is a fact not an opinion. I dont think canas could have stopped Ramsey and I dont think Medel could have, arsenal had many players to pick up, theres only one of him

You have a very odd "tone" to your posts. Maybe a bit of sensible debate would be better suited rather than this nonsense. Now then, tell me, what do you think Medel has done, in terms of performance, better than Canas to be worthy of the £11m price tag?

Silly me That really hurts Tragic.

Asking for an opinion relevant to the thread? Really?

Oh well, i guess i will just have to sulk at your name calling

That's true Tragic you didn't use the word double you just used the phrase " More Key Passes" twice which let's face it is "Double" of "Once". Why did you do that Tragic - embellishment ?

ah you were being silly, i should have known


The thing is about Canas watching on whilst Ramsey walks through to score is that the player you say is playing SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO well at the moment is only looking on as the current highest rated midfield player in the PL walks through to score. What happened did Laudrup not explain his job to him properly Maybe he should try drawing him a picture because he looks totally lost in that photograph. Would Medel have stopped him scoring, I don't know, but from what I have seen of Medel he would have been a lot closer and not stood still watching on.

[color=#FF0000]arsenal had many players to pick up, theres only one of him

At the monent Ramsey scored there were only 2 Arsenal players in shot in this video with another out wide in the penalty area with a line of 3 Swansea players, including Canas, then Vorm then a defender on the line. So that's 4 Swansea defenders against 2 Arsenal attackers.


So where does this statement of your about "Arsenal having many players to pick up" hold water Tragic. It simply doesn't the Swansea had a 2-1 advantage and Ramsey still walked through to score whilst your holding defensive midfield player, i.e. Canas stood and watched.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLBbY1AsTDs


Really doesn't look like your assertion of Canas playing sooooooooooooo well at the moment holds any water when you weigh up the evidence does it Tragic.

Has your 12 year old daughter taken over your keyboard?

Canas cannot be everywhere, just as Medel couldnt stop Ruiz shooting in a domain he "should" be covering.

The stats say Canas has better stats over all. Good innit

Roath. Did you miss my last reply or choose to ignore it?

Nope, read it but didnt really think it needed a reply.

You said stats can be interpreted differently. I disagree in this instance. I think Canas has contributed the same if not more to Swansea in terms of performance as Medel has to Cardiff... Im yet to see or read anything of note that contradicts this.

Say no more! You disagree in this instance as it does not support your argument.

I disagree because you have given me no reason to agree. You have suggested that "maybe" stats can be misinterpreted yet have failed to give me a reason what HAS been misinterpreted.

Tell me whats been misinterpreted and i can tell you whether i agree or not, but at the moment there is nothing to agree or disagree with,

No I didn't. I stated that with statistics many factors are not taken into consideration.

One word to describe Madel.....unbelievable!

Perhaps another is -unspellable

Roath. Did you miss my last reply or choose to ignore it?

Nope, read it but didnt really think it needed a reply.

You said stats can be interpreted differently. I disagree in this instance. I think Canas has contributed the same if not more to Swansea in terms of performance as Medel has to Cardiff... Im yet to see or read anything of note that contradicts this.

Say no more! You disagree in this instance as it does not support your argument.

I disagree because you have given me no reason to agree. You have suggested that "maybe" stats can be misinterpreted yet have failed to give me a reason what HAS been misinterpreted.

Tell me whats been misinterpreted and i can tell you whether i agree or not, but at the moment there is nothing to agree or disagree with,

No I didn't. I stated that with statistics many factors are not taken into consideration.

Then tell me what hasnt been taken into consideration and ill tell you if ive considered it.

The fact that you believe you're a better judge of player than Chris Kamara is truly frightening. You're not a quarter as clever as you think you are. Instead of sending queer messages from your nonces retreat, how about telling us who you are?

Any knowledgable football writer/expert such as yourself wouldn't need the anonymity. Have you ever had any football extracts published? If not, why not? If you do believe you're more knowledgable on the game than Chris Kamara aren't you wasting your talent never to have anything published?

The fact that you believe you're a better judge of player than Chris Kamara is truly frightening. You're not a quarter as clever as you think you are. Instead of sending queer messages from your nonces retreat, how about telling us who you are?

Any knowledgable football writer/expert such as yourself wouldn't need the anonymity. Have you ever had any football extracts published? If not, why not? If you do believe you're more knowledgable on the game than Chris Kamara aren't you wasting your talent never to have anything published?

So you dont know who i am yet have decided Chris Kamara (who i assume you dont know) is a better judge of player

Im amazed you hold Chris Kamara in such high esteem, id never even considered him a decent pundit before let alone a genius of the game

Why would i want to write a book? Wtf?

I will continue to ignore your play ground goading

The fact that you believe you're a better judge of player than Chris Kamara is truly frightening. You're not a quarter as clever as you think you are. Instead of sending queer messages from your nonces retreat, how about telling us who you are?

Any knowledgable football writer/expert such as yourself wouldn't need the anonymity. Have you ever had any football extracts published? If not, why not? If you do believe you're more knowledgable on the game than Chris Kamara aren't you wasting your talent never to have anything published?

So you dont know who i am yet have decided Chris Kamara (who i assume you dont know) is a better judge of player

Im amazed you hold Chris Kamara in such high esteem, id never even considered him a decent pundit before let alone a genius of the game

Why would i want to write a book? Wtf?

I will continue to ignore your play ground goading

I never mentioned a book. Have you ever written anything worthwhile about the game apart from the forums?

Blogs, magazines or newspaper articles like Andy Mitten or Graham Hunter. If not, why not?

Nope. Not my thing, stange question.

You had any cardiff ones published?

Then tell me what hasnt been taken into consideration and ill tell you if ive considered it.

Gee let me think! How about anything that can't be expressed as a number or a percentage?! This is not a reference to the player comparison you have become obsessed with, but stats in general. Let's say a player gets chalked up with a missed/incomplete pass - let's say that pass was a diagonal ball that was an inch from a strikers foot that would have resulted in a clear goal scoring opportunity. That would be totally different to pass out of defence to a full back sprinting towards the half-way line, looking for a quick counter, that ends up going out for a throw in. It would also be completely different to a pass along the back four that get's missed, is picked up by an attacker and results in a shot at goal. However, all three scenarios are simply counted as a missed pass.

I'd be happy with the first two scenarios as they are positive actions, despite being negative stats! Without watching every action the player has made that contributed towards those stats, you are just looking at numbers!

How about the statistic of points accrued so far this season? We have more than Man Utd, without taking anything else into consideration, does that make us the better team? I don't think so because I'm not an idiot and realise that there are many other factors to take into consideration!

Nope. Not my thing, stange question.

You had any cardiff ones published?

Why is it a strange question? There isn't a subject on this forum that you don't pretend you're an expert on. I just think you're wasting your time on these things when you have a whole world of football loving fans to impart your knowledge with

Do you think you could be capable of writing a football related piece that would be good enough to get printed? Kamara has written reams

Then tell me what hasnt been taken into consideration and ill tell you if ive considered it.

Gee let me think! How about anything that can't be expressed as a number or a percentage?! This is not a reference to the player comparison you have become obsessed with, but stats in general. Let's say a player gets chalked up with a missed/incomplete pass - let's say that pass was a diagonal ball that was an inch from a strikers foot that would have resulted in a clear goal scoring opportunity. That would be totally different to pass out of defence to a full back sprinting towards the half-way line, looking for a quick counter, that ends up going out for a throw in. It would also be completely different to a pass along the back four that get's missed, is picked up by an attacker and results in a shot at goal. However, all three scenarios are simply counted as a missed pass.

I'd be happy with the first two scenarios as they are positive actions, despite being negative stats! Without watching every action the player has made that contributed towards those stats, you are just looking at numbers!

How about the statistic of points accrued so far this season? We have more than Man Utd, without taking anything else into consideration, does that make us the better team? I don't think so because I'm not an idiot and realise that there are many other factors to take into consideration!

So you still havent told me what hasnt been considered in this instance, you seem to be talking very boradly on such a specific topic.

Tell me what we havent considered, amd if we havent - then we will.

Has your 12 year old daughter taken over your keyboard?

Canas cannot be everywhere, just as Medel couldnt stop Ruiz shooting in a domain he "should" be covering.

The stats say Canas has better stats over all. Good innit

I don't have a 12 year old daughter Tragic so why say that. Is there something you want to tell us Tragic like why you feel the need to mention 12 year old girls


The thing is with stats it will always depend which set you look at and when you try to compare individual players against one another, things like what teams have each players club played after only 6 games and has each player faced players of the same or similar ability. That's why when trying to make a like for like comparison it's far better to wait until later in the season.

It will be interesting to see how the official PL player performance stats are published tomorrow to see how each players is doing.

My guess is that there will be little between each player which let's face it, with thier respective roles, is pretty much what you would expect.

Of greater interest, in my opinion, is the respective value of each player to thier clubs. I don't think there is a stat anywhere which will quantify that one but right now Cardiff don't have a free scoring forward and right now Gary Medel influence on the team cannot be overstated.

That's what most Bluebird fans believe that his quality, pedigree, leadership, organisational ability and sheer determination make him an absolute "X Factor" player for us. And you don't have to score goals to be considered an X Factor player in my opinion and from what I've seen of Swansea this season Canas is not an X Factor player in that squad.

Then tell me what hasnt been taken into consideration and ill tell you if ive considered it.

Gee let me think! How about anything that can't be expressed as a number or a percentage?! This is not a reference to the player comparison you have become obsessed with, but stats in general. Let's say a player gets chalked up with a missed/incomplete pass - let's say that pass was a diagonal ball that was an inch from a strikers foot that would have resulted in a clear goal scoring opportunity. That would be totally different to pass out of defence to a full back sprinting towards the half-way line, looking for a quick counter, that ends up going out for a throw in. It would also be completely different to a pass along the back four that get's missed, is picked up by an attacker and results in a shot at goal. However, all three scenarios are simply counted as a missed pass.

I'd be happy with the first two scenarios as they are positive actions, despite being negative stats! Without watching every action the player has made that contributed towards those stats, you are just looking at numbers!

How about the statistic of points accrued so far this season? We have more than Man Utd, without taking anything else into consideration, does that make us the better team? I don't think so because I'm not an idiot and realise that there are many other factors to take into consideration!

Post of the weekend,

Nope. Not my thing, stange question.

You had any cardiff ones published?

Why is it a strange question? There isn't a subject on this forum that you don't pretend you're an expert on. I just think you're wasting your time on these things when you have a whole world of football loving fans to impart your knowledge with

Do you think you could be capable of writing a football related piece that would be good enough to get printed? Kamara has written reams

In your opinion if course.

I dont consider myself an expert on many things, football i do however. You trust your life with a doctor who has studies for a paltry 8 years. Football has been an area i have studied for the best part of 35 years - 4 and a half times more than the minimum requirement of a doctor you trust with your life.

Your goals in life may be to get things printed, mine arent. I have very successful businesses as many know here.

And you dont have to be an expert to get things printed or published, is carl an expert on football

Nope. Not my thing, stange question.

You had any cardiff ones published?

Why is it a strange question? There isn't a subject on this forum that you don't pretend you're an expert on. I just think you're wasting your time on these things when you have a whole world of football loving fans to impart your knowledge with

Do you think you could be capable of writing a football related piece that would be good enough to get printed? Kamara has written reams

In your opinion if course.

I dont consider myself an expert on many things, football i do however. You trust your life with a doctor who has studies for a paltry 8 years. Football has been an area i have studied for the best part of 35 years - 4 and a half times more than the minimum requirement of a doctor you trust with your life.

Your goals in life may be to get things printed, mine arent. I have very successful businesses as many know here.

And you dont have to be an expert to get things printed or published, is carl an expert on football

What are the businesses called?

Has your 12 year old daughter taken over your keyboard?

Canas cannot be everywhere, just as Medel couldnt stop Ruiz shooting in a domain he "should" be covering.

The stats say Canas has better stats over all. Good innit

I don't have a 12 year old daughter Tragic so why say that. Is there something you want to tell us Tragic like why you feel the need to mention 12 year old girls

yes your posting style is very feminine and very young "soooooooooooo" and such like. And not forgetting the play ground insults


The thing is with stats it will always depend which set you look at and when you try to compare individual players against one another, things like what teams have each players club played after only 6 games and has each player faced players of the same or similar ability. That's why when trying to make a like for like comparison it's far better to wait until later in the season.

my stats are not final and are to run over the course of the season. Its quite funny that the only reason people are kicking uo a fuss is because currently it favours Canas

It will be interesting to see how the official PL player performance stats are published tomorrow to see how each players is doing.

so now its interesting, yet in the last paragraph they werent as its too early?

My guess is that there will be little between each player which let's face it, with thier respective roles, is pretty much what you would expect.

and what is my entire point

Of greater interest, in my opinion, is the respective value of each player to thier clubs. I don't think there is a stat anywhere which will quantify that one but right now Cardiff don't have a free scoring forward and right now Gary Medel influence on the team cannot be overstated.

likewise britton and canas, when one doesnt play we are half the side. They are key to us performing how we do.

That's what most Bluebird fans believe that his quality, pedigree, leadership, organisational ability and sheer determination make him an absolute "X Factor" player for us. And you don't have to score goals to be considered an X Factor player in my opinion and from what I've seen of Swansea this season Canas is not an X Factor player in that squad.

i havent denied that. I do question this leadership and organisational thing though, he doesnt even soeak the same language. Hes a good player, never stated otherwise, i just dont believe he is £11m better or even better at all than Canas.

What are the businesses called?

What are the businesses called?

yeah right, im not that green sunshine

What are the businesses called?

yeah right, im not that green sunshine

You're a successful businessman. Why would you want to hide what they are?