Why are fans 'expecting' 3 points saturday?!

I never entertain this type of comparison. Who gets picked for their international team is down to the manager, usually one man and depending on where they were born their caps would differ greatly.

You dint look at performance by judging how many caps you have. If so, Torres would surely be undroppable yet Michu is out performing him this season and last season. Yet one has no caps.

All your comparisons are in what they have done, not what they are doing. You dont buy a player to tell everyone whi they have played for, you buy them to play for you.

So if britton has a better record at keeping posession, creating chances and breaking up the play then what different does he do..... Apart from play for chile which doesnt really make a difference to either performance?

So in your opinion then Bony is a terrible signing???

Why? Hes scored 5 in 8 and 37 in 36 last year?

Strikers that score are expensive.

Didnt think so. Fishing it is then.

You didnt think what? That he scored 5 in 8?

I ask again. Put the web link up to your stats Roathie.

So in your opinion then Bony is a terrible signing???

Why? Hes scored 5 in 8 and 37 in 36 last year?

Strikers that score are expensive.

Didnt think so. Fishing it is then.

You didnt think what? That he scored 5 in 8?

He's got 1 goal in the PL and cost you £12m. Campbell has 2 and cost about £600K. So Bony is a rubbish signing. According to your bizarre logic.

I left Canas out of the stat comparison. Heres all three defensive midfielders so far this season....


Jose Canas

Pass accuracy - 91%
Duels won - 63%
Average pass length - 18m
Chances created - 1
Defensive errors - 0

Leon Britton

Pass accuracy - 93%
Duels won - 86%
Average pass length - 15m
Chances created - 0
Defensive errors - 0

Gary Medel

Pass accuracy 92%
Duels won - 50%
Average pass length - 19m
Chances created - 0
Defensive errors - 0


So all stats very similar in all the key areas for their roles apart from Medel that lags behind in his duels won, which is suprising given his physique.

So im simply asking what dies he bring to the table that the others dont that is worth £10m more and thus probably not strengthening the rest of the side like you could have.

Im not looking for an argument. Hes a good player, but in buying him you hampered you ability to strengthen in other areas which is why in my opinion he is a bad signing.... Not that hes a bad player.

I ask again. Put the web link up to your stats Roathie.

http://www.squawka.com/players/gary-med ... ance-score#cardiff-city-(current)#english-barclays-premier-league#8#season-2013/2014#64#all-matches#1-5#by-match

Put the actual link up Roathie

Put the actual link up Roathie

I just did

He's got 1 goal in the PL and cost you £12m. Campbell has 2 and cost about £600K. So Bony is a rubbish signing. According to your bizarre logic.

You clearly dont understand my point then.

Bony is not a bad signing as his signing didnt hamper our strengthening elsewhere. I cant think of a reasonable weakness in our side for our level. If we signed Bony for all that money and as a result felt we may get relegated as we didnt strengthen the areas we should have, then id agree he was a bad signing.

I ask again. Put the web link up to your stats Roathie.

http://www.squawka.com/players/gary-med ... ance-score#cardiff-city-(current)#english-barclays-premier-league#8#season-2013/2014#64#all-matches#1-5#by-match

So you lied basically then.

Briton didnt create 2 chances, and you knocked Medels pass length down by 1 metre. Why do that?

Also, Medel average of 4 defensive actions (blocks & interceptions) per game to Brttons 1.

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I was going to give Roathie a serious reply until I read that Medel is no better than Britton or Canas

He's serious too

I most certainly am. They play in the same league, comparisons are relatively straight forward. I genuinelly believe when a large orice tag is in the occasions people tend not to be able to see the wood from the trees.

Leon britton so far this season

Average pass accuracy - 93%
Average duels won - 86%
Average pass length - 15m
Defensive errors - 0
Chances created - 2

Gary Medel so far this season

Average pass accuracy - 92%
Average duels won - 50%
Average pass length - 18m
Defensive errors - 0
Chances created 0

C'mon lad according to the 'stats' leon britton was the 3rd best midfielder in the world when the truth is, he's not the 3rd best midfielder in swansea!

Like lakey just implied, if you take britton out of your system he would be shit. As was proven at sheff utd.

Gary Medel has played in argentina, spain, uk and for the chilean national team all with different styles of play and different systems and has excelled.

As for you argument about all defensive midfielders being the same and doing the same job tgen why did you even pay 500k? Why not just go and get a defensive midfielder from pandy albion or something! Pathetic argument I know, but so was yours.

I disagree. Britton didnt settle at Sheff Utd, they were an awful side.

But you seem to think we are an awful side yet Gary Medel has settled fine!

The problem with your argument is that like many on here it is so black and white. You may be in need of a midfielder like britton for your squad and he has proved himself very capable of fitting into your system.

We needed more than a Leon Britton as we needed a communicator, leader, someone who can receive the ball under immense pressure and also someone with a bit of bite that can (and has) lifted the atmosphere in the stadium.
Before you say he cant communicate cos he speaks spanish, anyone who has seen him in the 1st five games will have seen him organising the midfield and defence.

I don't like swansea but what they do this season in reality is irrelevant to me (apart from when we play you)
I'm realistic enough to know that you're not in any danger of relegation this year and it would probably be better for us if you beat the likes of palace, sunderland, hull etc. So why has everything we do got to be compared with you. I personally believe bony is shit and you paid at least 7 million too much for him but I couldnt really give a shit

He's got 1 goal in the PL and cost you £12m. Campbell has 2 and cost about £600K. So Bony is a rubbish signing. According to your bizarre logic.

You clearly dont understand my point then.

Bony is not a bad signing as his signing didnt hamper our strengthening elsewhere. I cant think of a reasonable weakness in our side for our level. If we signed Bony for all that money and as a result felt we may get relegated as we didnt strengthen the areas we should have, then id agree he was a bad signing.

No. I completely disagree with what your saying. In my opinion your talking shite or just being a WUM.

I ask again. Put the web link up to your stats Roathie.

http://www.squawka.com/players/gary-med ... ance-score#cardiff-city-(current)#english-barclays-premier-league#8#season-2013/2014#64#all-matches#1-5#by-match

So you lied basically then.

Briton didnt create 2 chances, and you knocked Medels pass length down by 1 metre. Why do that?

Also, Medel average of 4 defensive completions to Brttons 1

I typed them down correctly look at the top of this page.... the first time I had barely looked at them and typed them down quick, typos i guess. The same reason i left canas having 6 defensive completiong as opposed to medels 4.

But my point remains. If they have better stats in all the key areas then what does he do better worth £10m more?

They also have colaborated their attacking, defensive, posession and overall performace so far this season and give them points is correlation to their performance, they are as follows.

Jose Canas - 114
Gary Medel - 92
Leon Britton - 77

I ask again. Put the web link up to your stats Roathie.

http://www.squawka.com/players/gary-med ... ance-score#cardiff-city-(current)#english-barclays-premier-league#8#season-2013/2014#64#all-matches#1-5#by-match

So you lied basically then.

Briton didnt create 2 chances, and you knocked Medels pass length down by 1 metre. Why do that?

Also, Medel average of 4 defensive actions (blocks & interceptions) per game to Brttons 1.

The stats off that site also come to the conclusion that aron gunnarsson is better than both medel and britton.

I like gunnar but there is absolutely no way on earth that he has been better than medel this season and it just makes a mockery of stats and those who religiously follow them

No. I completely disagree with what your saying. In my opinion your talking shite or just being a WUM.

How can you disagree with that, its common sense.

A signing can be deemed good or bad not by how good they are but what their signing does to your transfer budget and thus the positions you sacrifice to strengthen.

Medel is a very good player indeed. Yet his signing has made you exceptionally short in strength in other positions especially when there are okayers available that do the same job to a similar standard for next to nothing.

The stats off that site also come to the conclusion that aron gunnarsson is better than both medel and britton.

I like gunnar but there is absolutely no way on earth that he has been better than medel this season and it just makes a mockery of stats and those who religiously follow them

So why arent you answering my question.

What does Medel do thats worth £10m than the defensive midfielders we have and picked uo for nothing?

I ask again. Put the web link up to your stats Roathie.

http://www.squawka.com/players/gary-med ... ance-score#cardiff-city-(current)#english-barclays-premier-league#8#season-2013/2014#64#all-matches#1-5#by-match

So you lied basically then.

Briton didnt create 2 chances, and you knocked Medels pass length down by 1 metre. Why do that?

Also, Medel average of 4 defensive completions to Brttons 1

I typed them down correctly look at the top of this page.... the first time I had barely looked at them and typed them down quick, typos i guess. The same reason i left canas having 6 defensive completiong as opposed to medels 4.

But my point remains. If they have better stats in all the key areas then what does he do better worth £10m more?

They also have colaborated their attacking, defensive, posession and overall performace so far this season and give them points is correlation to their performance, they are as follows.

Jose Canas - 114
Gary Medel - 92
Leon Britton - 77

You have conveniently omitted aron gunnarsson who scored 126 on the same ratings!

The stats off that site also come to the conclusion that aron gunnarsson is better than both medel and britton.

I like gunnar but there is absolutely no way on earth that he has been better than medel this season and it just makes a mockery of stats and those who religiously follow them

So why arent you answering my question.

What does Medel do thats worth £10m than the defensive midfielders we have and picked uo for nothing?

I did in the other part of my answer.

This thread is unfortunately going off topic however. My fault, i shouldnt have singled out a player inknew you guys would defend vehemently. Lets stop that train of thought, ive made my point regarding him and we arent going to agree - but who is better was never really my point.

My point was, if you think you will go down after soending £30m then do you think you have spent badly because i could never imagine soending £30m and not being happy with my team.

A signing can be deemed good or bad not by how good they are but what their signing does to your transfer budget and thus the positions you sacrifice to strengthen.

A signing is deemed good or bad depending on if they do the job you bought them for or not.

A signing can be deemed good or bad not by how good they are but what their signing does to your transfer budget and thus the positions you sacrifice to strengthen.

A signing is deemed good or bad depending on if they do the job you bought them for or not.

But him doing his job well could be at the detriment of you not having wingers or strikers that can do their job... Which then impacts negatively on the team. But like i said, we are coming at this from different angles, people dont think like me and i acceot that. People see a good player and assume it must be a good signing ignoring what the team lacks because of his purchase.

Roath, congratulations you have blindsided me and managed to turn another thread that had nothing to do with swansea into a cardiff vs swansea thread.

This is why many on here think you are poison

Sorry Roathie you had your chance, you decided to lie and leave out important stats.

for that reason, im out. No point trying to have a debate with someone who lies just to try and win the debate.

Roath, congratulations you have blindsided me and managed to turn another thread that had nothing to do with swansea into a cardiff vs swansea thread.

This is why many on here think you are poison

It wasnt my intention and have asked for it to get back on topic. But you can call me all the names you wish,

I simply asked a question and have had a reaction that is nothing to do with what i asked.

Polo said after soending £30m he still thinks you will go down, i merely asked if as a reault he feels the £30m has been spent poorly. Not necessarily on bad players but on the wrong type of player, too expensive and no match winners.

I omly mention swansea as its my natural point of reference.

Sorry Roathie you had your chance, you decided to lie and leave out important stats.

for that reason, im out. No point trying to have a debate with someone who lies just to try and win the debate.

Thats an easy way out polo.

Why would i lie? One of the stats i left out would have helped canas. The slightly incorrect stats at the start (which were wuickly corrected) dont impact at all on the original comparison. His stats are still inferior.

There is no winning or losing the debate, ive simply asked you a question which has nothing to do with the do parison of players, so your refusal to answer is bizare.

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A signing can be deemed good or bad not by how good they are but what their signing does to your transfer budget and thus the positions you sacrifice to strengthen.

A signing is deemed good or bad depending on if they do the job you bought them for or not.

But him doing his job well could be at the detriment of you not having wingers or strikers that can do their job... Which then impacts negatively on the team. But like i said, we are coming at this from different angles, people dont think like me and i acceot that. People see a good player and assume it must be a good signing ignoring what the team lacks because of his purchase.

No, so far its the money used for Cornelius that could have been better spent elsewhere. The jury is still out on whether that was a good signing or not. Medel is looking like he was worth every penny.

I disagree with you on this one.

No, so far its the money used for Cornelius that could have been better spent elsewhere. The jury is still out on whether that was a good signing or not. Medel is looking like he was worth every penny.

I disagree with you on this one.

Thats fine.

So you think the £30m has been spent poorly? (My original question before the circus)

- as you can see, my typos dont just stop at numbers, my words are pretty poorly typed too however my content is solid and you know that polo, ive just done what everyone hates and asked an awkward question that nobody wants to answer.

I'm expecting 3 points but will be happy with 1.
I can expect it because our team is really beginning to gel and we are now demonstrating how hard it is to beat us.
Tottenham's celebration when they got their single goal highlights that they knew they'd been in a fierce battle.

- as you can see, my typos dont just stop at numbers, my words are pretty poorly typed too however my content is solid and you know that polo, ive just done what everyone hates and asked an awkward question that nobody wants to answer.

nobody has dodged your question at all. We have spent nearly 30 million but most of that we would get a return on.

There is no doubt in my mind that if we were to sell our whole squad in a years time we would get more than what we paid.

Would I have liked to have added 1 or 2 more creative players? Yes of course I would.

Do I think we have added enough quality to stay up? Yes I do.

Do I think we'll have more money to spend in january if needed? Yes

All the questions you raised in this thread were answered before you even turned up if you bothered to read it, therefore I will say read the thread again and a lot of your questions have been addressed.