Questions for religious believers?

and your mocking of my personal beliefs have no limits

Yes but you personally insulting me or trying to is fine? One rule for one, another rule for another. Another thing all too common with religious folk. You can't insinuate Im a certain age to try and discredit me by abusing me and then whine like a little girl when you get it back.

I dont talk to idiots good bye

Okay Legolas. Cry me a river.

neither juvenile or a deliquent

I asked whether you are 6 or not because your debating skills are on those levels of a 6 year old

So you insulted me then cried when I did the same back? Im quite capable of understanding what you are implying by using my head, something that might not come easy to someone that needs guidelines set in a book.

Beyond hilarious that you tried to abuse me and then had the audacity to cry about it when I did the same back.

Noah obviously did not get all the animals on Earth in the Ark. Just the ones in that vicinity, of the flood, which was the known world at the time. Therefore refrigeration etc was not needed as all the animals were from the same region and were acclimatised to that regions weather/temperature/living conditions.
The Ark was made of wood so obviously constructed to float, as it was not a sudden rush of water but a more gradual increase in water levels. Therefore meaning it would just lift up off its supporting stantions. Unlike modern metal ships that would need to be propelled through the water by engines, as they need to get somewhere instead of going with the flow.

I have never been able to understand how people can buy into the bible. My mum used to take me to church every Sunday when I was a little boy and even then I thought it all seemed a bit absurd. I can understand why some people need religion as a comfort blanket and have been mentally conditioned over many years to feel like that, and they like it.My mums dog died and she stopped going. I beleive she had a wake up call and felt where was god then. She still beleives in it now though and I cant see what harm it does if it makes people feel better.

What I dont get is when people say its the hard path and all this crap. Sometimes I wish I could bury my head in the sand and think I will go to heaven when im dead. I have good morals and do the right thing and expect nothing for it, how is that easier? When I have questioned religious people about it they get angry, in exactly the same way as a smoker or a drinker does when you question their habit. Im not mocking it just merely stating what I have seen. Their are some really nasty religous types out there and ive met a few, but I'm sure there are many good ones.

I think some non beleivers get a chip on their shoulder that can date back to when they were a kid, and fester as they grow up. I think when you are forced to go to church from a young age and you mix a few negative religious life experiences into the mix it can leave you quite bitter towards it, only natural I supose.

Was expecting something insightful, Awh well...

Here is my insight as you asked for it.

Its about time that someone mentioned the amount of pedophilia involved in the christian church isn't it!!

"suffer the little children to come unto me"

Disgusting CHRISTIAN priests have practiced this and then lied about it saying it didn't exist. Stole these kids childhood in a lot of cases. Thats a few commandments blown out of the water. They are some of the wealthiest organisations in the world.

Religion is a vehicle for the weak and feeble minded to hide behind.

!t is also a front for organised Crime.

Needless to say, I think its ALL BULLSHIT.

Its about time that someone mentioned the amount of pedophilia involved in the christian church isn't it!!

"suffer the little children to come unto me"

Disgusting CHRISTIAN priests have practiced this and then lied about it saying it didn't exist. Stole these kids childhood in a lot of cases. Thats a few commandments blown out of the water. They are some of the wealthiest organisations in the world.

Religion is a vehicle for the weak and feeble minded to hide behind.

!t is also a front for organised Crime.

Needless to say, I think its ALL BULLSHIT.

Its about time that someone mentioned the amount of pedophilia involved in the christian church isn't it!!

"suffer the little children to come unto me"

Disgusting CHRISTIAN priests have practiced this and then lied about it saying it didn't exist. Stole these kids childhood in a lot of cases. Thats a few commandments blown out of the water. They are some of the wealthiest organisations in the world.

Religion is a vehicle for the weak and feeble minded to hide behind.

!t is also a front for organised Crime.

Needless to say, I think its ALL BULLSHIT.

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1. If Noah had an ark, how did he set the cooling system for the animals that required heat and the others that required cold habitats to live? Bare in mind refrigeration technology wasn't around at this point. That's one hell of a complex zoo/nature reserve he had on board there. Not only this but his boat would have had to have been massive to cater to all of the animal species thus he must have been a structural engineer to ensure the boat did not sink and a structural engineer to make sure he could get them all on properly and quickly.

2. Also, if Noah had to build a boat then why didn't God just create one for him like he did with the world in six days?
The only argument that seems logical was it was a Sunday and God was resting and eating his cooked dinner and thought 'sod it', let that bugger Noah build it.


3. How come Mary is the only woman to become pregnant by immaculate conception and only with one child?
It seems to me like God and Mary were taking the Chinese birth policy a little too serious.

4. If God loves everyone as is repeatedly mentioned in the Bible (yes I've read it) then why does he bribe people to follow his ten commandments? God claims to love everyone yet sends them to eternal hell for breaking rules. Astonishing.

5. If God is perfect and his creations are perfect then why did Eve defy him and take the apple from the tree? Surely, had he made her perfect as always is claimed she would have known not to take the apple from the tree. She was clearly not perfect as she could not resist temptation as God wanted and ordered her to do so.

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Some answers from believers would be wonderful. Also, if you haven't read the Bible I highly suggest you do. Its not as good as Lord of the Rings series but its a great fantasy novel nonetheless.

Why say "Questions for religious believers" and then pin point one belief? ( my faith ) quite easy to see no matter what people who have faith say in this thread your going to mock regardless!
But i'll try and answer your questions none the less.

1# It's my belief that ( and no where in the Bible dose it state this ) the Ark was some sort of spacecraft rather than a boat and the first world that was destroyed by the flood was Mars. ( hence the water that has been found (ice) and the pictures that look like the remains of ancient buildings ) and it is my personal belief that Noah took the DNA of the animals rather that the animals them self's. People in the first world lived a lot longer than we do now, Noah was 500 yrs old when he had his first child and it took him 120 years to finish the Ark so i think it was more than enough time to do what he needed to do.
Also the people in the first world were far more intelligent than us as we are now, so Noah may well have been a structural engineer,mathematician/physicist and probably much much more.


2# I can't speak for GOD and say why dose or doesn't do something because i am a mere man. But maybe for the same reason that he chose to make the universe and everything in it in 6 days and not an instant.

3# To fulfill Bible prophecy, the Bible say's that there would be one immaculate conception and one true Christ so there didn't need to be anymore.

4# Where in the Bible dose it say he dose? ( you have read the it haven't you ? ) I'll save you the time, it doesn't.
If your referring to John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life".
The emphasis is on the "that whosoever believeth in him should not perish" ( GOD loves those that believe Christ is the son of GOD and through Christ come to know GOD and have a personal relationship with him )
One of the more famous examples that GOD doesn't love everyone is when Jesus was talking to his disciples about the one of them who was to betray him ( Judas Iscariot ) Jesus said it would have been better for him if he had never been born.

5# Very tricky one to try and answer, because like i said i can't second guess GOD!
So i wont try.

Hope this has helped in some way, it's just my beliefs and my faith.
If you need clarification on anythig else give me a shout, though i have a feeling to has all fallen on def ears.

You may now mock away

I have never been able to understand how people can buy into the bible. My mum used to take me to church every Sunday when I was a little boy and even then I thought it all seemed a bit absurd.

Same here. I used to go to Sunday School and even then I thought they were all insane and still think it now. I suppose if it keeps the loons off the streets then its a good thing. As long as they dont come knocking my door preaching that nonsense.

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Is your dealer Walter White because you are clearly on some seriously potent narcotic to be coming out with crap like that.

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Is your dealer Walter White because you are clearly on some seriously potent narcotic to be coming out with crap like that.

Ok mr facts prove i'm worng!

Mock away? there is no need to. just watch the news my weak friend .
Here is a small list that was all the subject of religious beliefs or bigotry.

Kids gassed
Human beings beheaded in public.
Hands chopped off
Hangings by JCBs
Women flogged
Women stoned to death by being buried up to their heads and religious zealots sell the public the stones.
That was all last month .

How do you defend this as a Christian? I would really like to know please explain this and show just the teeniest particle of evidence and I will maybe change my mind.

If there was a god we wouldn't have lost that play off final @ Wembley either.

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Mock away? there is no need to. just watch the news my weak friend .
Here is a small list that was all the subject of religious beliefs or bigotry.

Kids gassed
Human beings beheaded in public.
Hands chopped off
Hangings by JCBs
Women flogged
Women stoned to death by being buried up to their heads and religious zealots sell the public the stones.
That was all last month .

How do you defend this as a Christian? I would really like to know please explain this and show just the teeniest particle of evidence and I will maybe change my mind.

The 'God works in mysterious ways' line is coming any day now.

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Is your dealer Walter White because you are clearly on some seriously potent narcotic to be coming out with crap like that.

Ok mr facts prove i'm worng!

I only answered the question that you posed based on my faith, i don't expect you to believe what i said in fact i don't even care if you do or not. What i didn't like was you said "Question for religious believers" and then want a mock one religion!
There is more that one is there not?

I only answered the question that you posed based on my faith, i don't expect you to believe what i said in fact i don't even care if you do or not. What i didn't like was you said "Question for religious believers" and then want a mock one religion!
There is more that one is there not?

As Christianity is the number one religion in the country I specified that. Also its the religion I know most about as I used to go to Sunday School before I became a logical and rational thinking human being with a mind of my own.

God seems to be a very self important and incapable of tolerance.

By which moral standard are you judging God by?

From the discussion i have had with christians. They have told me that living a non believing life but living it with morals and abiding by the laws of the land will still see you into hell, a serial paedophile who then decides to believe and say sorry to God will get into heaven. Seems a little egotistical.

To get to Heaven requires a perfect life? Are you saying you are perfect or that any goodness you have is good enough for Heaven? That is what seems egotistical to me. God died for this salvation on the cross as Christ, that is anything but selfishness.

Also we are only aware of christianity through word of mouth and the bible. What happens to tribes or people who live in isolation where the story of Christ isnt available, they will live their lives completely unaware of this story and as a result be a non believe and thus be thrust into the fiery pits of hell upon death.

Do you think a just God would condemn such people? I don't, but then I also know from the Bible that everyone is aware of God's existence, but many choose to suppress it (Romans 1:18-20)

There are major flaws in the stories in the bible which is acceptable because it was written by man and not God. However it is supposed to be the word of God and channelled through these authors, so if thats the case then how come large parts of it are clearly wrong?

Name the 'clearly wrong' parts please

Of course the existence of gods cannot be disproven, you cannot disprove nothing.

To quote Christopher Hitchens - "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."

All that saying 'I'm an atheist' means is that I don't believe there are any gods. Some will add 'as the available evidence does not support that claim'.

Also, just because you don't know the answer to something and/or science has not explained it yet, does not = 'God did it'.

Science fills in it's MANY gaps with 'I am sure science will work it out' which is the same thing.

Before I say what I have to say, I just want to point out that i am a non-believer but have no problems with believers. Its a simple fact of life that you will either believe or not. One of the first questios to the OP was why do you do this and that. Its just a fact of life that you will or will not like/believe/enjoy something. Has absolutely nothing to do with religion or some super natural power. My thoughts on the whole bible thing is that it is just a book of stories. Also before christ, was there a god? I am not trying to stir anything up. If there is actually a god, who created him?? And my final one is why are there so many religions?? None of them actually believe in the same gods as such. So if christianity is true does this then negate any other religion? Or does their god only look over his believers? This is an honest post and I am not trying to upset/offend anyone, lots of my family are big believers and when I ask them these questions they refuse to answer.

Science fills in it's MANY gaps with 'I am sure science will work it out' which is the same thing.

Christianity doesn't fill in any gaps. Its all myth and fables.

I have never been able to understand how people can buy into the bible. My mum used to take me to church every Sunday when I was a little boy and even then I thought it all seemed a bit absurd. I can understand why some people need religion as a comfort blanket and have been mentally conditioned over many years to feel like that, and they like it.My mums dog died and she stopped going. I beleive she had a wake up call and felt where was god then. She still beleives in it now though and I cant see what harm it does if it makes people feel better.

What I dont get is when people say its the hard path and all this crap. Sometimes I wish I could bury my head in the sand and think I will go to heaven when im dead. I have good morals and do the right thing and expect nothing for it, how is that easier? When I have questioned religious people about it they get angry, in exactly the same way as a smoker or a drinker does when you question their habit. Im not mocking it just merely stating what I have seen. Their are some really nasty religous types out there and ive met a few, but I'm sure there are many good ones.

I think some non beleivers get a chip on their shoulder that can date back to when they were a kid, and fester as they grow up. I think when you are forced to go to church from a young age and you mix a few negative religious life experiences into the mix it can leave you quite bitter towards it, only natural I supose.

There are nasty types in all circles of life, by which standard are your morals 'good'? I bet you cannot claim even half of the ten commandments (neither can I so I'm not being self righteous).

I know plenty of Christians who were not forced into Church at a young age. Why post such generalisations based on your own presuppositions?

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Is your dealer Walter White because you are clearly on some seriously potent narcotic to be coming out with crap like that.

Someone actually bothers answering your ridiculously silly questions and that's your response!?

Any chance of responding to my questions anytime soon?

This thread is yet another low for you. This hasn't gone well for you and I know that from all the abuse you are hurling around

I waiting for your answer God Boy!!!!

1. If Noah had an ark, how did he set the cooling system for the animals that required heat and the others that required cold habitats to live?

2. Also, if Noah had to build a boat then why didn't God just create one for him like he did with the world in six days?

3. How come Mary is the only woman to become pregnant by immaculate conception and only with one child?

4. If God loves everyone as is repeatedly mentioned in the Bible (yes I've read it) then why does he bribe people to follow his ten commandments?

5. If God is perfect and his creations are perfect then why did Eve defy him and take the apple from the tree?

I am an atheist, perhaps even an anti-theist but what you are doing there is simply setting up straw men for you to feel smug as they go up in smoke. I agree religion has done a lot of bad in this world, but your questions are primarily to do with the text so I shall focus on that. A few things to understand is that the bible is best understood as a series of allegorical stories. Therefore rather than say, David was a generous man, the bible would say, David went out into the markets and gave away all the food he had to the hungry and the needy. The second part did not happen, that is irrelevant, the point is that David was a generous man. You are taking a literal reading of the bible and imposing our rather modern conception of how history should be documented to a period (probably around 300 a.d) which had a completely different idea of what history was. I believe that answers your first two questions and your rather banal attempts at being funny.
For your third question this is what also annoys me about religion, so if there is someone who knows more about it than I do I would love to read, about the role of the female. It seems strange to me as well that immaculate conception is believed to be good, if I was to hazard a guess it would be perhaps to do with man being inherently born with sin, and for the son of God to have been created by sex in the traditional way would perhaps have connotations of being impure.
Because we have our own self agency and freedom?
His creations are not perfect

Overall though I would suggest (if you are actually curious about these questions) reading philosophers and academics that have been struggling with the implications of a monotheistic world for many years, and if you are from Cardiff you can sign up for the library and enjoy these books for free.... Or alternatively you could continue to pick out little bits from the Testaments (I would recommend Leviticus for that real Old Testament crazyness) and post them to a football forum and make snarky ill-informed jokes to the delight of 'noone'

What about Islam and Judaism? They worship the same God as Christians do.

What about Islam and Judaism? They worship the same God as Christians do.

As with most bigots they just clam up when they are challenged with facts.

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1. If Noah had an ark, how did he set the cooling system for the animals that required heat and the others that required cold habitats to live? Bare in mind refrigeration technology wasn't around at this point. That's one hell of a complex zoo/nature reserve he had on board there. Not only this but his boat would have had to have been massive to cater to all of the animal species thus he must have been a structural engineer to ensure the boat did not sink and a master of physics/maths to make sure he could get them all on properly and quickly.

2. Also, if Noah had to build a boat then why didn't God just create one for him like he did with the world in six days?
The only argument that seems logical was it was a Sunday and God was resting and eating his cooked dinner and thought 'sod it', let that bugger Noah build it.


3. How come Mary is the only woman to become pregnant by immaculate conception and only with one child?
It seems to me like God and Mary were taking the Chinese birth policy a little too serious.

4. If God loves everyone as is repeatedly mentioned in the Bible (yes I've read it) then why does he bribe people to follow his ten commandments? God claims to love everyone yet sends them to eternal hell for breaking rules. Astonishing.

5. If God is perfect and his creations are perfect then why did Eve defy him and take the apple from the tree? Surely, had he made her perfect as always is claimed she would have known not to take the apple from the tree. She was clearly not perfect as she could not resist temptation as God wanted and ordered her to do so.

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Some answers from believers would be wonderful. Also, if you haven't read the Bible I highly suggest you do. Its not as good as Lord of the Rings series but its a great fantasy novel nonetheless.

You do realise that anything less than a 2:1 constitutes a complete waste of three years @ Aber.Have you really nothing better to do than post this shite.

What about Islam and Judaism? They worship the same God as Christians do.

As with most bigots they just clam up when they are challenged with facts.

I know nothing about either of those religions so why would I talk about them? I was brought up going to Sunday School and that focused on Christianity. Why should I even mention other religions? Its all nonsense anyway. Lord of the Rings fairytale stuff all of it.

You do realise that anything less than a 2:1 constitutes a complete waste of three years @ Aber.Have you really nothing better to do than post this shite.

Im on course for a 1st so its okay mate. Thanks for your concern by the way. Also have a job lined up ready for when I graduate.

What about Islam and Judaism? They worship the same God as Christians do.

As with most bigots they just clam up when they are challenged with facts.

I know nothing about either of those religions so why would I talk about them? I was brought up going to Sunday School and that focused on Christianity. Why should I even mention other religions? Its all nonsense anyway. Lord of the Rings fairytale stuff all of it.

Ah now it all fits would you by any chance be a jehova,s witness? which is sect set up by a layman to con money from the public.