Sian Branson v Gwyn Davies

Adam, how can she be set up when publicity is part of her agenda?

She sounded muddled in my opinion because her stated beliefs and her real feelings were not in synchronicity.

Like anyone else you are entitled to your opinion however surely the way the presenter was it was completely onesided and to call BU 'childish' before the debate even took place was a disgrace. In my opinion it was a set-up in an attempt to poke holes in the BU campaign.

Once he said to Sian something along the lines of 'if they didn't take the money then the club would have went bust' and I wish Sian turned round and said something along the lines of 'prove it' because once again he was assuming live on radio without any backround knowledge whatsoever!!!

Opinions are opinions and I respect yours as I do the next man's.

Unfortunately for BU, many fans, and I would suggest the vast majority, see a miriad of holes in their campaign.

You're an ex politician and you must be able to see their position is untennable.

On the one hand it's a "celebration march" and they want to thank Tan for his investment. On the other they choose the day that ALL City fans should come together to unite in our success and try and drive a wedge between us, knowing that Tan will not see it as a "celebration", but as a protest march.

Don't complain about publicity just because it doesn't get spun the way you wish.

Wording from some of their messages can be questionable at times but unless you have a campaign manager who has to give his acceptance before any member sends a message via social media and making a banner than how on earth can members raising their individual voices be policed..?

However saying that I am very pleased to see so many people come together as one. In life these days there are many distractions in life to organise anything which you feelsostrongly about but for the BU campaign to get this far takes alot of guts and support and well done to each and every one of them.

I respect the individuals (well, the sensible ones and not the Tan/Red/Modern/Plastic haters) and I can see the reasoning behind their cause......esentially "we want to play in blue".

I struggle to respect the march on Sunday as I feel it detracts from the massive occassion that it is, namely the first home game in the top flight for 51 years. If BU chose to march on our second, or third, or whatever home game I, and I believe many more, would have a lot more respect for them.

But each to their own, we live in a democracy after all, or do we?

I respect the individuals (well, the sensible ones and not the Tan/Red/Modern/Plastic haters) and I can see the reasoning behind their cause......esentially "we want to play in blue".

I struggle to respect the march on Sunday as I feel it detracts from the massive occassion that it is, namely the first home game in the top flight for 51 years. If BU chose to march on our second, or third, or whatever home game I, and I believe many more, would have a lot more respect for them.

But each to their own, we live in a democracy after all, or do we?

But then on the other hand the so-called local imparical BBC done the dirty in todays debate then maybe Sky could help even the balance of the arguement. I'm sure VT will do the big Malaysian propaganda for the SKY show anyway

I respect the individuals (well, the sensible ones and not the Tan/Red/Modern/Plastic haters) and I can see the reasoning behind their cause......esentially "we want to play in blue".

I struggle to respect the march on Sunday as I feel it detracts from the massive occassion that it is, namely the first home game in the top flight for 51 years. If BU chose to march on our second, or third, or whatever home game I, and I believe many more, would have a lot more respect for them.

But each to their own, we live in a democracy after all, or do we?

But then on the other hand the so-called local imparical BBC done the dirty in todays debate then maybe Sky could help even the balance of the arguement. I'm sure VT will do the big Malaysian propaganda for the SKY show anyway

I dont think he did at all really like it or not his questions were valid

Cardiff now play in red cant you just get on with it? she gave a good answer

Cardiff may not have existed if it wasnt for Tan cant you be grateful? she gave a good answer and explained her position that she doesnt hate Tan or the investment

Havent you left it all too late you should have done this when the story of the rebrand broke? she explained her position that it needed to be organised better than original attempts and fair play to her whatever the success if BU she is doing it better than KCB.

Gwyn and Sian agreed an a lot of points they werent boxers in a ring having a go at each other, one difference being Sian relies on colour as part of the clubs identity Gwyn doesnt, neither do I.

Sian would have to answer the difficult questions because despite the claimed membership of BU (its not difficult to join a facebook group) there are just as many fans who arent fazed by the rebrand and find BU an annoyance whilst they try and celebrate premier league football.

Sian said one thing that interested me when she said 'promotion was tainted by the rebrand' I beg to differ I jumped up and down I got drunk and celebrated in my red shirt with all my friends blue or red. One thing that is becoming tainted is my enjoyment of premiership football. Im trying to follow the team im trying to figure out whether we will succeed or not. Pre-season all I wanted were the scores of the games and all I had was 'everyone's wearing blue' 'look at the support for BU' all well and good if your interested but whats the f***ing score. All I want to do is watch football, I dont want to be labelled pro-blue or pro-red. Im a Cardiff City fan good times and bad, im pretty sure that opinion is in the majority. Want to do a march fine get on with it, want to boycott the club dont care. Nothing is going to detract from my match day experience or steal this season from me.

I would love to know what his opinion would be if his beloved Spurs changed their kit colour to a non associated colour and changed their badge making their primary emblem an after thought? I wonder what his thoughts would be a year down the line and if Spurs fans would still be going on about it?

I respect the individuals (well, the sensible ones and not the Tan/Red/Modern/Plastic haters) and I can see the reasoning behind their cause......esentially "we want to play in blue".

I struggle to respect the march on Sunday as I feel it detracts from the massive occassion that it is, namely the first home game in the top flight for 51 years. If BU chose to march on our second, or third, or whatever home game I, and I believe many more, would have a lot more respect for them.

But each to their own, we live in a democracy after all, or do we?

But then on the other hand the so-called local imparical BBC done the dirty in todays debate then maybe Sky could help even the balance of the arguement. I'm sure VT will do the big Malaysian propaganda for the SKY show anyway

I dont think he did at all really like it or not his questions were valid

Cardiff now play in red cant you just get on with it? she gave a good answer

Cardiff may not have existed if it wasnt for Tan cant you be grateful? she gave a good answer and explained her position that she doesnt hate Tan or the investment

Havent you left it all too late you should have done this when the story of the rebrand broke? she explained her position that it needed to be organised better than original attempts and fair play to her whatever the success if BU she is doing it better than KCB.

Gwyn and Sian agreed an a lot of points they werent boxers in a ring having a go at each other, one difference being Sian relies on colour as part of the clubs identity Gwyn doesnt, neither do I.

Sian would have to answer the difficult questions because despite the claimed membership of BU (its not difficult to join a facebook group) there are just as many fans who arent fazed by the rebrand and find BU an annoyance whilst they try and celebrate premier league football.

Sian said one thing that interested me when she said 'promotion was tainted by the rebrand' I beg to differ I jumped up and down I got drunk and celebrated in my red shirt with all my friends blue or red. One thing that is becoming tainted is my enjoyment of premiership football. Im trying to follow the team im trying to figure out whether we will succeed or not. Pre-season all I wanted were the scores of the games and all I had was 'everyone's wearing blue' 'look at the support for BU' all well and good if your interested but whats the f***ing score. All I want to do is watch football, I dont want to be labelled pro-blue or pro-red. Im a Cardiff City fan good times and bad, im pretty sure that opinion is in the majority. Want to do a march fine get on with it, want to boycott the club dont care. Nothing is going to detract from my match day experience or steal this season from me.

Each to their own but promotion was tainted for me as well.

Sian hit the nail on the head saying promotion was tainted and hollow. Football might be a money-driven game but you don't have to sellout everything to be successful. There was no class in the way Cardiff got promoted.

Sian hit the nail on the head saying promotion was tainted and hollow. Football might be a money-driven game but you don't have to sellout everything to be successful. There was no class in the way Cardiff got promoted.

I never understand this sell-out policy, like we really had a choice.

No class in the way we got promoted? we achieved more points than any other team whats shameful about it?

If you want to fight to get us playing in blue again go for it but dont diminish what the team and Malky achieved, if you felt it was wrong thats your look out

Sian hit the nail on the head saying promotion was tainted and hollow. Football might be a money-driven game but you don't have to sellout everything to be successful. There was no class in the way Cardiff got promoted.

I never understand this sell-out policy, like we really had a choice.

No class in the way we got promoted? we achieved more points than any other team whats shameful about it?

If you want to fight to get us playing in blue again go for it but dont diminish what the team and Malky achieved, if you felt it was wrong thats your look out

Trading in tradition & culture for short term success. I'm not talking about reluctant reds who genuinely believed in 'redordead' but the majority who went along with it for a year in the prem. face it, our fanbase is nowhere near as 'cool' as it used to be. I loved that football club and the people around me, i'll never feel the same again. we should have and should still be doing more.

Sian hit the nail on the head saying promotion was tainted and hollow. Football might be a money-driven game but you don't have to sellout everything to be successful. There was no class in the way Cardiff got promoted.

I never understand this sell-out policy, like we really had a choice.

No class in the way we got promoted? we achieved more points than any other team whats shameful about it?

If you want to fight to get us playing in blue again go for it but dont diminish what the team and Malky achieved, if you felt it was wrong thats your look out

Trading in tradition & culture for short term success. I'm not talking about reluctant reds who genuinely believed in 'redordead' but the majority who went along with it for a year in the prem. face it, our fanbase is nowhere near as 'cool' as it used to be. I loved that football club and the people around me, i'll never feel the same again. we should have and should still be doing more.

Who traded what in exactly, I dont remember being asked if you let us change the kit to red we will guarantee premiership football. I dont remember voting to wear red under any circumstance. It was a choice made by the board which was beyond the control of fans. Sorry if you dont consider your fellows fans to be 'cool' anymore and all this ahhh the world has come to an end 'I will never feel the same again' its a football club dont like it dont support it walk away, personally I really want to enjoy this season and im getting sick and tired of this how dare you enjoy football now and if you do your plastic its really getting boring.

Sian hit the nail on the head saying promotion was tainted and hollow. Football might be a money-driven game but you don't have to sellout everything to be successful. There was no class in the way Cardiff got promoted.

I never understand this sell-out policy, like we really had a choice.

No class in the way we got promoted? we achieved more points than any other team whats shameful about it?

If you want to fight to get us playing in blue again go for it but dont diminish what the team and Malky achieved, if you felt it was wrong thats your look out

Trading in tradition & culture for short term success. I'm not talking about reluctant reds who genuinely believed in 'redordead' but the majority who went along with it for a year in the prem. face it, our fanbase is nowhere near as 'cool' as it used to be. I loved that football club and the people around me, i'll never feel the same again. we should have and should still be doing more.

Who traded what in exactly, I dont remember being asked if you let us change the kit to red we will guarantee premiership football. I dont remember voting to wear red under any circumstance. It was a choice made by the board which was beyond the control of fans. Sorry if you dont consider your fellows fans to be 'cool' anymore and all this ahhh the world has come to an end 'I will never feel the same again' its a football club dont like it dont support it walk away, personally I really want to enjoy this season and im getting sick and tired of this how dare you enjoy football now and if you do your plastic its really getting boring.

Johnny i believe you are religious, Do you think Jesus would blame the board or do what he believed right?

Once again i will mention religion and here is why, you think football is not 'life' but that's because you have a biological need for communion taken care of on sundays at church. To many people football is religion, it is their communion, can you not respect that?

Biological need for communion?

Sian hit the nail on the head saying promotion was tainted and hollow. Football might be a money-driven game but you don't have to sellout everything to be successful. There was no class in the way Cardiff got promoted.

I never understand this sell-out policy, like we really had a choice.

No class in the way we got promoted? we achieved more points than any other team whats shameful about it?

If you want to fight to get us playing in blue again go for it but dont diminish what the team and Malky achieved, if you felt it was wrong thats your look out

Trading in tradition & culture for short term success. I'm not talking about reluctant reds who genuinely believed in 'redordead' but the majority who went along with it for a year in the prem. face it, our fanbase is nowhere near as 'cool' as it used to be. I loved that football club and the people around me, i'll never feel the same again. we should have and should still be doing more.

Who traded what in exactly, I dont remember being asked if you let us change the kit to red we will guarantee premiership football. I dont remember voting to wear red under any circumstance. It was a choice made by the board which was beyond the control of fans. Sorry if you dont consider your fellows fans to be 'cool' anymore and all this ahhh the world has come to an end 'I will never feel the same again' its a football club dont like it dont support it walk away, personally I really want to enjoy this season and im getting sick and tired of this how dare you enjoy football now and if you do your plastic its really getting boring.

Johnny i believe you are religious, Do you think Jesus would blame the board or do what he believed right?

Once again i will mention religion and here is why, you think football is not 'life' but that's because you have a biological need for communion taken care of on sundays at church. To many people football is religion, it is their communion, can you not respect that?

f**k me, thats right up there with the stupidest things Ive read on this forum

Sian hit the nail on the head saying promotion was tainted and hollow. Football might be a money-driven game but you don't have to sellout everything to be successful. There was no class in the way Cardiff got promoted.

I never understand this sell-out policy, like we really had a choice.

No class in the way we got promoted? we achieved more points than any other team whats shameful about it?

If you want to fight to get us playing in blue again go for it but dont diminish what the team and Malky achieved, if you felt it was wrong thats your look out

Trading in tradition & culture for short term success. I'm not talking about reluctant reds who genuinely believed in 'redordead' but the majority who went along with it for a year in the prem. face it, our fanbase is nowhere near as 'cool' as it used to be. I loved that football club and the people around me, i'll never feel the same again. we should have and should still be doing more.

Who traded what in exactly, I dont remember being asked if you let us change the kit to red we will guarantee premiership football. I dont remember voting to wear red under any circumstance. It was a choice made by the board which was beyond the control of fans. Sorry if you dont consider your fellows fans to be 'cool' anymore and all this ahhh the world has come to an end 'I will never feel the same again' its a football club dont like it dont support it walk away, personally I really want to enjoy this season and im getting sick and tired of this how dare you enjoy football now and if you do your plastic its really getting boring.

Johnny i believe you are religious, Do you think Jesus would blame the board or do what he believed right?

Once again i will mention religion and here is why, you think football is not 'life' but that's because you have a biological need for communion taken care of on sundays at church. To many people football is religion, it is their communion, can you not respect that?

I think your religion argument is a bit out there, I get how important football is after all I am a football fan, I have joked with friends that football is my religion and Cardiff City is my sect.

Im not sure who taught RE in school but receiving communion is spiritual not biological

As for Jesus im not sure what football club he supports or if he would support the rebrand, when I see him I will ask lol

At the end of the day religious doctrine changes and you either accept it or walk away from your beliefs
I feel the same has to be done at Cardiff either accept the change or walk away

thats my opinion.

Oh I don't know, have a piss, eat, sleep... Communion is right up there

Blue Always gets 'drama queen of the year' award.

Sian hit the nail on the head saying promotion was tainted and hollow. Football might be a money-driven game but you don't have to sellout everything to be successful. There was no class in the way Cardiff got promoted.

I never understand this sell-out policy, like we really had a choice.

No class in the way we got promoted? we achieved more points than any other team whats shameful about it?

If you want to fight to get us playing in blue again go for it but dont diminish what the team and Malky achieved, if you felt it was wrong thats your look out

Trading in tradition & culture for short term success. I'm not talking about reluctant reds who genuinely believed in 'redordead' but the majority who went along with it for a year in the prem. face it, our fanbase is nowhere near as 'cool' as it used to be. I loved that football club and the people around me, i'll never feel the same again. we should have and should still be doing more.

Who traded what in exactly, I dont remember being asked if you let us change the kit to red we will guarantee premiership football. I dont remember voting to wear red under any circumstance. It was a choice made by the board which was beyond the control of fans. Sorry if you dont consider your fellows fans to be 'cool' anymore and all this ahhh the world has come to an end 'I will never feel the same again' its a football club dont like it dont support it walk away, personally I really want to enjoy this season and im getting sick and tired of this how dare you enjoy football now and if you do your plastic its really getting boring.

Johnny i believe you are religious, Do you think Jesus would blame the board or do what he believed right?

Once again i will mention religion and here is why, you think football is not 'life' but that's because you have a biological need for communion taken care of on sundays at church. To many people football is religion, it is their communion, can you not respect that?

f**k me, thats right up there with the stupidest things Ive read on this forum

I can't believe what I just read from Blue_Always.

Jeez man, you gotta be on some serious mind altering stuff.

I've posted some shit on this board, mainly due to a few beers too many, but that is the most incredible thing I've ever read.

"Biological need for communion" - WTF are you on?

This thread has turned into a ridiculous debate on comparing football to Christianity!?

oh Jesus.....

(post 777 )

Alpha and the Omega Jonny.

A religion does not change from its beliefs.

When you choose your football club its for life. You become part of a family. You can't walk away from a family.

This if you are not happy then walk away is ignorance at its highest level when it comes to your club.

If you are not happy about this blue stand then sorry but that's tough on you. People feel very strong about it and have a right within the family to have a say.

Sian hit the nail on the head saying promotion was tainted and hollow. Football might be a money-driven game but you don't have to sellout everything to be successful. There was no class in the way Cardiff got promoted.

I never understand this sell-out policy, like we really had a choice.

No class in the way we got promoted? we achieved more points than any other team whats shameful about it?

If you want to fight to get us playing in blue again go for it but dont diminish what the team and Malky achieved, if you felt it was wrong thats your look out

Trading in tradition & culture for short term success. I'm not talking about reluctant reds who genuinely believed in 'redordead' but the majority who went along with it for a year in the prem. face it, our fanbase is nowhere near as 'cool' as it used to be. I loved that football club and the people around me, i'll never feel the same again. we should have and should still be doing more.

Who traded what in exactly, I dont remember being asked if you let us change the kit to red we will guarantee premiership football. I dont remember voting to wear red under any circumstance. It was a choice made by the board which was beyond the control of fans. Sorry if you dont consider your fellows fans to be 'cool' anymore and all this ahhh the world has come to an end 'I will never feel the same again' its a football club dont like it dont support it walk away, personally I really want to enjoy this season and im getting sick and tired of this how dare you enjoy football now and if you do your plastic its really getting boring.

Johnny i believe you are religious, Do you think Jesus would blame the board or do what he believed right?

Once again i will mention religion and here is why, you think football is not 'life' but that's because you have a biological need for communion taken care of on sundays at church. To many people football is religion, it is their communion, can you not respect that?

Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged, and by your standard of measure it will be measured to you.


Matthew 7:1 & 7:2.

Shut the hell up!

Craig 3:16

Shut the hell up!

Craig 3:16

No need to be like that Craig

Hallam 3:16

I wonder hopw many genuine Christians we have on this board...?

It interests me

I wonder hopw many genuine Christians we have on this board...?

It interests me

2 I know of.

Shut the hell up!

Craig 3:16

Alpha and the Omega Jonny.

A religion does not change from its beliefs.

When you choose your football club its for life. You become part of a family. You can't walk away from a family.

This if you are not happy then walk away is ignorance at its highest level when it comes to your club.

If you are not happy about this blue stand then sorry but that's tough on you. People feel very strong about it and have a right within the family to have a say.

Not saying people dont have a right to voice there opinion.

Yes people do have a right to speak one thing I object to is telling fans they are not real fans because they choose not to stand against the rebrand, now that might not be the official BU point but its very evident that this is the general view point from the so called blue corner. I just want to watch football and enjoy Cardiff in the Prem however long they stay there and if/when we go back the championship league 1 or 2 or even lower ill still just want to watch my football team.

I wonder hopw many genuine Christians we have on this board...?

It interests me

I think Christians are well outnumbered by Pagans on this board.

I wonder hopw many genuine Christians we have on this board...?

It interests me

I think Christians are well outnumbered by Pagans on this board.

You sure it's not more of an agnostic approach?

A religion does not change from its beliefs.

What about Protestantism Ian they are outside of the Orthodox or Catholic Church but still very much Christian.

I wonder hopw many genuine Christians we have on this board...?

It interests me

I think Christians are well outnumbered by Pagans on this board.

You sure it's not more of an agnostic approach?

No defo Pagans devoted to the colour Blue or Red depending which side of the fence you are sitting on.


But one thing is certain ALL are Cardiff City fans - Trust Me.

Wow this thread went off on a weird tangent