" Hull City change club name "

So, again... How is changing a colour &/or name taking the club forward?

Plus, how are BU "killing" CCFC?

Its not Barry. You and I know that and so do the Tan apologists.

BU killing CCFC, stupid statement from someone losing the argument. Lets turn this around. Thanks to BU we still have the Bluebird in blue.

From what I remember the Bluebird was spared well before the formation of BU? I can't quite remember the circumstances but it had something to do with Alan Whitely and lobbying from Carl amongst others?

Lobbying is much the better option than the Nuclear options that BU want. I actually admire Sian's passion for her cause, but she is hampered by the perception that the organisation is basically the extreme arm of Cardiff City support. I'm not saying that is true, but the launch of BU was very badly handled and its Facebook pages since have done it no favours whatsoever and it certainly wouldn't influence anyone at boardroom level.

So, again... How is changing a colour &/or name taking the club forward?

Plus, how are BU "killing" CCFC?

Its not Barry. You and I know that and so do the Tan apologists.

BU killing CCFC, stupid statement from someone losing the argument. Lets turn this around. Thanks to BU we still have the Bluebird in blue.

From what I remember the Bluebird was spared well before the formation of BU? I can't quite remember the circumstances but it had something to do with Alan Whitely and lobbying from Carl amongst others?

Lobbying is much the better option than the Nuclear options that BU want. I actually admire Sian's passion for her cause, but she is hampered by the perception that the organisation is basically the extreme arm of Cardiff City support. I'm not saying that is true, but the launch of BU was very badly handled and its Facebook pages since have done it no favours whatsoever and it certainly wouldn't influence anyone at boardroom level.

The only lobbying going on today Tony is BU hence why the Bluebird is still with us.

So, again... How is changing a colour &/or name taking the club forward?

Plus, how are BU "killing" CCFC?

Well in our case changing the colour has moved us well forward, FACT.
The investment we have had in exchange for the change of kit colour has provided finances to attract players of the right caliber, training facilities etc etc..
As for changing the name, perhaps the owners of Hull, see it as a way of making the club ,more attractive to investors, I suppose being owners, it's their risk and their choice.

Without change evolution and progress, we would still be called Riverside.

I suspect that Tan and the rest of the board will look very closely at the response from the supporters over a period of time and whether the negativity remains before going the next step with Cardiff. Without doubt I would put a large chunk of cash on Cardiff being further re-branded as the Dragons, because it is obvious that this is what he wants. It is another sad day for English (Wales) football, tradition is irrelevant and it is all about money and nothing else. Even results almost feel irrelevant. As I said in my 'I'm back' post, the PL is not a great place because this is the type of thing that happen as a result. Still on the bright side this is the new Hull City Tigers advertising campaign:

So, again... How is changing a colour &/or name taking the club forward?

Plus, how are BU "killing" CCFC?

Its not Barry. You and I know that and so do the Tan apologists.

BU killing CCFC, stupid statement from someone losing the argument. Lets turn this around. Thanks to BU we still have the Bluebird in blue.

From what I remember the Bluebird was spared well before the formation of BU? I can't quite remember the circumstances but it had something to do with Alan Whitely and lobbying from Carl amongst others?

Lobbying is much the better option than the Nuclear options that BU want. I actually admire Sian's passion for her cause, but she is hampered by the perception that the organisation is basically the extreme arm of Cardiff City support. I'm not saying that is true, but the launch of BU was very badly handled and its Facebook pages since have done it no favours whatsoever and it certainly wouldn't influence anyone at boardroom level.

The only lobbying going on today Tony is BU hence why the Bluebird is still with us.

Got no problems with the aims of BU, but if you believe for one second that it helped to keep the bluebird on the badge, you are deluded, this badge had been planned for change this season before BU had been formed.

So, again... How is changing a colour &/or name taking the club forward?

Plus, how are BU "killing" CCFC?

Its not Barry. You and I know that and so do the Tan apologists.

BU killing CCFC, stupid statement from someone losing the argument. Lets turn this around. Thanks to BU we still have the Bluebird in blue.

From what I remember the Bluebird was spared well before the formation of BU? I can't quite remember the circumstances but it had something to do with Alan Whitely and lobbying from Carl amongst others?

Lobbying is much the better option than the Nuclear options that BU want. I actually admire Sian's passion for her cause, but she is hampered by the perception that the organisation is basically the extreme arm of Cardiff City support. I'm not saying that is true, but the launch of BU was very badly handled and its Facebook pages since have done it no favours whatsoever and it certainly wouldn't influence anyone at boardroom level.

Bluebird still being Blue has got sweet fa to do with BU.

So, again... How is changing a colour &/or name taking the club forward?

Plus, how are BU "killing" CCFC?

Its not Barry. You and I know that and so do the Tan apologists.

BU killing CCFC, stupid statement from someone losing the argument. Lets turn this around. Thanks to BU we still have the Bluebird in blue.

From what I remember the Bluebird was spared well before the formation of BU? I can't quite remember the circumstances but it had something to do with Alan Whitely and lobbying from Carl amongst others?

Lobbying is much the better option than the Nuclear options that BU want. I actually admire Sian's passion for her cause, but she is hampered by the perception that the organisation is basically the extreme arm of Cardiff City support. I'm not saying that is true, but the launch of BU was very badly handled and its Facebook pages since have done it no favours whatsoever and it certainly wouldn't influence anyone at boardroom level.

The only lobbying going on today Tony is BU hence why the Bluebird is still with us.

Got no problems with the aims of BU, but if you believe for one second that it helped to keep the bluebird on the badge, you are deluded, this badge had been planned for change this season before BU had been formed.

Perhaps so Gwyn but it makes me wonder without any opposition such as the 5% just what sort of club we would have by now.

Who the f**k do these foreign owners think they are. They should consult the fans first. What next Blackburn Chickens

Would have rather had our name changed to Cardiff City Bluebirds FC than changed our colours to red and that horrendous excuse for a badge.

As far as rebrands go Hull have got off lightly.

Tan's investment has moved us forward. Changing colour has not. It would be exactly the same IF Tan had invested and remained blue.

Sadly, that was not the case.

To claim that changing colour has moved us forward, is wholly incorrect. Otherwise, all clubs would be changing colour just to advance.

Tan's investment has moved us forward. Changing colour has not. It would be exactly the same IF Tan had invested and remained blue.

Sadly, that was not the case.

To claim that changing colour has moved us forward, is wholly incorrect. Otherwise, all clubs would be changing colour just to advance.

Yes thats correct Chuckles but the major flaw in that claim is Tan, for reasons only known to himself (We can only speculate), wouldnt invest unless we changed to red. Sad but true.

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Another sad day for British football.

Silly question, would you rather us be back in blue and re-named? or Cardiff City FC in red?

Scott,
I would rather us be Blue, keep our right name and badge.
I would not be happy unless we kept it all, I know badges get altered but there is altering and stripping it, totally different.

Once they start, there seems no stopping them, would I Swop lower league football for our identity back, YES but that's just me and that's how I feel

I love my club and its hurting still, not getting better, It does not feel the same.

spot on

Tan's investment has moved us forward. Changing colour has not. It would be exactly the same IF Tan had invested and remained blue.

Sadly, that was not the case.

To claim that changing colour has moved us forward, is wholly incorrect. Otherwise, all clubs would be changing colour just to advance.

He would not have invested if he didn't change the colour that was his terms & we've moved forward!

Who the f**k do these foreign owners think they are. They should consult the fans first. What next Blackburn Chickens

Or how about;

Chelski Cossacks.

Liverpool Yankees.

Manchester City Arabian knights.

Manchester United Buckaroos.

Swansea Conquistadors.

Who the f**k do these foreign owners think they are. They should consult the fans first. What next Blackburn Chickens

Modern football.

Tan's investment has moved us forward. Changing colour has not. It would be exactly the same IF Tan had invested and remained blue.

Sadly, that was not the case.

To claim that changing colour has moved us forward, is wholly incorrect. Otherwise, all clubs would be changing colour just to advance.

He would not have invested if he didn't change the colour that was his terms & we've moved forward!

Well thats a matter of opinion.

Tan's investment has moved us forward. Changing colour has not. It would be exactly the same IF Tan had invested and remained blue.

Sadly, that was not the case.

To claim that changing colour has moved us forward, is wholly incorrect. Otherwise, all clubs would be changing colour just to advance.

Yes thats correct Chuckles but the major flaw in that claim is Tan, for reasons only known to himself (We can only speculate), wouldnt invest unless we changed to red. Sad but true.

Yes I know mate. As I said in the post.. Had Tan invested AND we had remained blue, the same thing would have happened.

Those trying to claim that changing colour has moved us on is wrong, it's Tan's investment that has done so.

So, again... How is changing a colour &/or name taking the club forward?

Plus, how are BU "killing" CCFC?

Its not Barry. You and I know that and so do the Tan apologists.

BU killing CCFC, stupid statement from someone losing the argument. Lets turn this around. Thanks to BU we still have the Bluebird in blue.

Ian I believe the reaction of fans last season shortly after the re-brand was confirmed by VT together with the representation of the small group of fans called to meetings with the club ensured the "Bluebird" remained on the club crest. That happened long before BU was ever thought of so, in my opinion, it cannot be claimed that thier existance has had anything to do with that.

I agree however that nothing BU are doing is likely to kill our club, absolute nonsense, but in a way the announcement this morning by the owners of Hull City does raise questions, again, regarding the "Official" statement on thier Facebook page. The statement says "We want to see Cardiff City (Bluebirds) in the Premiership and NOT the Premiership in Cardiff City".

What has happened with Hull City this morning is, in my opinion, the very worst example of how sport is being marketed nowadays. Rugby League, County Cricket and Welsh regional rugby clubs have ALL adopted this concept of rebranding by adding what I think are silly additions to thier names.

BU need to drop this Cardiff City Bluebirds nonsense because that in itself is a re-brand and concentrate on developing means of getting the maximum number of our fans on board with showinf respect to our traditional colours. Wearing blue to home games is the best and encouraging fans to sing "We're Cardiff City We'll Always Be Blue" during our matches. Make no mistake VT, like everyone else at the Charlton game, heard it load and clear.

I'm no VT apologist and I never accepted his freebie red scarf and for me the tpping pointwill always be changing the name of our club. I support Cardiff City FC not Cardiff Dragons and not Cardiff City Bluebirds. In my opinion BU should stop this Cardiff City Bluebirds nonsense and concentrate on Cardiff City FC - The Bluebirds or I fear it will not be to long before we will face an announcement about Cardiff Dragons.

And as I have always said that will be the tipping point for me, Premier League or not.

Tan's investment has moved us forward. Changing colour has not. It would be exactly the same IF Tan had invested and remained blue.

Sadly, that was not the case.

To claim that changing colour has moved us forward, is wholly incorrect. Otherwise, all clubs would be changing colour just to advance.

He would not have invested if he didn't change the colour that was his terms & we've moved forward!

I'm well aware of that... My point is that it's the investment that has moved us forward & not the colour change part of it.

So I don't understand why those saying changing name and colours is moving forward, like factgasm suggested...

Some people fear change,you should accept what's happened and move on instead of wallowing in self pity.
City have taken great strides and now have a bright future ahead.Just get behind the team and stop moaning.

So, again... How is changing a colour &/or name taking the club forward?

Plus, how are BU "killing" CCFC?

Well in our case changing the colour has moved us well forward, FACT.
The investment we have had in exchange for the change of kit colour has provided finances to attract players of the right caliber, training facilities etc etc..
As for changing the name, perhaps the owners of Hull, see it as a way of making the club ,more attractive to investors, I suppose being owners, it's their risk and their choice.

Without change evolution and progress, we would still be called Riverside.

Gwyn your point about Hull attracting new investors is spot on as if you read the announcement it actually says that locally the club will be marketed as "Hull City" , but internationally it will be marketed as "Hull Tigers".

A clear indication that they see any new revenue streams coming from international sources rather than UK which is the same arguement put forward by VT.

Some people fear change,you should accept what's happened and move on instead of wallowing in self pity.
City have taken great strides and now have a bright future ahead.Just get behind the team and stop moaning.

Nobody is wallowing in self pity. We just wish to see our club in its rightful colours. Is that so much of a bad thing?

Would you say the same if the name changed? Or the bluebird disappeared?

Some people fear change,you should accept what's happened and move on instead of wallowing in self pity.
City have taken great strides and now have a bright future ahead.Just get behind the team and stop moaning.

Nobody is wallowing in self pity. We just wish to see our club in its rightful colours. Is that so much of a bad thing?

Would you say the same if the name changed? Or the bluebird disappeared?

Names staying so is the bluebird so stop scaremongering.

Another sad day for British football.

Unfortunately, it's the way the modern game at the highest level is going, we at least got a £100 million pound investment for our rebrand

Stripped of our identity and history but its ok, we have money!

Did i say it's ok???? as for our history the last time i looked it was still showing everything we have done and achieved, where has it gone???? whether any of us like it or not, without VT's financial backing, (keeping us out of the high courts, paying hmrc, paying staff on time , making huge amounts of monek available for players etc) this club was finished, dead in the water, YOU need to get your head out of your arse.

Last time I checked our triangle corner flags are red.

Yea exactly they are triangle which shows we have won the fa cup, our history haven't disappeared! Like what was said above when are you going to get it through head without the money we possibly wouldn't have a club to support!

Some people fear change,you should accept what's happened and move on instead of wallowing in self pity.
City have taken great strides and now have a bright future ahead.Just get behind the team and stop moaning.

Nobody is wallowing in self pity. We just wish to see our club in its rightful colours. Is that so much of a bad thing?

Would you say the same if the name changed? Or the bluebird disappeared?

Names staying so is the bluebird so stop scaremongering.

Wasn't scaremongering as I didn't suggest that those things were happening. I was asking a hypothetical question. Would you just "accept change" as you're telling others to do, if the name changed? Or the bluebird disappeared?

Tan's investment has moved us forward. Changing colour has not. It would be exactly the same IF Tan had invested and remained blue.

Sadly, that was not the case.

To claim that changing colour has moved us forward, is wholly incorrect. Otherwise, all clubs would be changing colour just to advance.

He would not have invested if he didn't change the colour that was his terms & we've moved forward!

I'm well aware of that... My point is that it's the investment that has moved us forward & not the colour change part of it.

So I don't understand why those saying changing name and colours is moving forward, like factgasm suggested...

Barry won't get int debate with you but! you are not understanding that without. Colour change no investment no investment no moving forward! Yes you are right about money taking us forward, but its the colour change thats brought us investment you can't separate the two! Or maybe you can?

Some people fear change,you should accept what's happened and move on instead of wallowing in self pity.
City have taken great strides and now have a bright future ahead.Just get behind the team and stop moaning.

Nobody is wallowing in self pity. We just wish to see our club in its rightful colours. Is that so much of a bad thing?

Would you say the same if the name changed? Or the bluebird disappeared?

Names staying so is the bluebird so stop scaremongering.

Wasn't scaremongering as I didn't suggest that those things were happening. I was asking a hypothetical question. Would you just "accept change" as you're telling others to do, if the name changed? Or the bluebird disappeared?

I only deal with reality,tan has said no name change just like he said he'd leave us in good hands if he left,remember.

Tan's investment has moved us forward. Changing colour has not. It would be exactly the same IF Tan had invested and remained blue.

You really are blinkered, the changing colour ensured the finance, no colour change, no finance, that was made clear, if we could have done it in blue without Tan's help, why had we been trying without success for 51 years. also without the colour change and investment, we may well have been liquidated, but it would have been in blue, so some would have been happy.


Sadly, that was not the case.

To claim that changing colour has moved us forward, is wholly incorrect. Otherwise, all clubs would be changing colour just to advance.

Most would willingly if they were offered 100 million, what did Warnock say at Leeds, we'd change for a million pound willingly if I could use that on a player.

Feel for the Hull fans tbh. It's ridiculous, yes they still have their colours but its still stupid.

Barry won't get int debate with you but! you are not understanding that without. Colour change no investment no investment no moving forward! Yes you are right about money taking us forward, but its the colour change thats brought us investment you can't separate the two! Or maybe you can?

I AM we'll aware of it, hence my mentioning of it twice in previous posts.

It was the money that took this club forward.. NOT the colour. It just happened that they both had to come together to occur.