New badge on stadium picture

Can some one post a video or proof of Tan Saying the words "Red or I don't invest, and your club will fold"

It was words to that effect, do you agree?

PS I didn't use quotations.. So why you are looking for a direct quote, I don't know..

This is what VT actually said in his statement outlining the rational behind his re-brand proposal.



"I first heard of Cardiff City Football Club when my friend and business partner Dato’ T G Chan approached me in November 2009 to ask if I would be interested in making an equity investment in a British football club which had the possibility of being promoted to the top flight of English football.

I knew little of football then and regarded any potential investment as being solely a business decision. To that end I agreed to make an initial investment of £6 million for a 40% stake in Cardiff City Football Club.

That season Cardiff City made it to the play-offs and although we lost to Blackpool, I experienced first-hand the passion of the Cardiff fans towards their home club and I was convinced that with the right management and sufficient funding, Cardiff City could eventually make it into the Premier League.

I decided then to increase my investment and to date I have invested a total of £40.8 million (comprising £34.8 million in loans and £6 million in equity) in the club.

Over the course of the last two years, including some memorable home games and two trips to Wembley for matches being watched by millions worldwide, I sincerely believe that my investment has not been wasted even though we are still chasing that dream of making it to the Premier League.

I believe that our club has great potential, but in order to realise that potential real world business and financial decisions need to be made at the appropriate and opportune time. Locally driven revenues and investment can only secure the economic stability of Cardiff City to a certain extent given the level of financial burden that has been accumulated by the club prior to my coming on board as a major investor.

As much as it may be difficult for some quarters to digest or accept, under the existing model our future sustainability is far from stable.

As investors, we are duty bound to explore ways in which we believe the club can grow over the long term.

Things have not been rosy since we came on board, particularly given the severe financial constraints the club was facing.

We have however always acted in the best interests of the club with the singular objective of securing promotion to the Premier League.

Following TG’s appointment as chairman, we agreed that he would not draw any salary or other monetary compensation as chairman so as not to further burden the club financially.

TG does not even seek any reimbursement of his travel and lodging expenses from the Club despite having made numerous trips to the UK for the club’s business.

I am grateful to TG for his understanding. From a supporter’s perspective it may seem an easy option or even be regarded as an obligation for the investors to continue pouring money in and to maintain our current path, but that is an unrealistic and simplified view of how a business can exist.

It’s clear that it is not economically viable or sensible to continue in this way.

Following discussions with the club’s board of directors we believe it is the opportune time for the next evolutionary phase, one which while potentially unpalatable for some due to our modifications to club colours, can also be exciting for the majority who want to see long term success, stability and prosperity attributed to Cardiff City Football Club.

Going forward, Cardiff City is expecting a cash injection in the amount of £35 million to meet its financial obligations for the period from until May 2013, including a substantial amount for squad strengthening within budgets.

Of this amount, £10 million has been earmarked to settle the Langston debt, which if accepted by Langston will go a fair way to cleaning up the balance sheet of the club.

This further £35 million cash injection coupled with my earlier investment of £40.8 million will make it a very sizeable £75.8 million invested in the club.

In addition to this, we have budgeted £10 million for the new Premier League standard training facilities and £12 million to increase the stadium capacity by an additional 8,000 seats to 35,000 seats.

Add this further £22 million CAPEX and our investment in Cardiff City will have ballooned to £97.8 million. With a contingency provision of another £2.2 million and our total investment will reach £100 million.

Looking further than the field of play, for Cardiff City to enjoy local success, international markets have to be explored to support the club financially.

Doing so I firmly believe gives the club the best opportunity for ensuring its economic stability for the short term, and can also unlock further potential to see the club best maintain top flight status should promotion be secured in the coming years.

To sit and wait for the possibility of promotion before carrying out any groundwork would make little sense. To this end the decision to begin the hard work now will only serve us best in the long term, maximising our chance to capitalise on our present endeavours if and when Premier League status is achieved, although I appreciate there are no guarantees.

For example, we are currently working on expanding televised coverage of the club in Asia for the seasons ahead, strengthening the already growing awareness of Cardiff City despite more attention being given in Asia to the Premier League clubs.

Other projects will be announced in due course once the building blocks are in place and when it is timely to do so, each of which can help the club in the long run.

Our desire is to implement our international and local strategies sensibly and to work at growing the wider affinity for the club, which again will see local dividends in South Wales via an improved balance sheet.

We are aware of the bridge between our club in its current guise to that of those who have enjoyed long term Premier League status.

But we also hold aspirations to bring Premier League status to the Welsh capital and should strive to make this a reality for all to cherish and enjoy.

I appreciate that a part of this strategy, namely the decision for the change of primary colour from blue to red is extremely emotional and for some quarters remains difficult to understand.

For all concerned I would like to emphasise that I hold no desire to trample on club history or heritage and would be saddened if supporters thought that this was my intention.

I have the greatest respect for the Welsh national symbol of the red dragon. I believe it to be a symbol of great strength and I was surprised it had such little coverage on the club’s badge.

It was for this reason that I suggested the improved focus of the Welsh dragon on the club’s badge and this despite suggestions by a Welsh designer to use a more modern version of the dragon instead.

I have since been told that the Welsh dragon was in fact on the club’s badge when it last won the FA Cup in 1927.
Cardiff City's new red home kit and blue away kit
Whether people agree with this decision or not, I firmly believe that this change in colour and stature will give this club a new focus and dynamism, linking as it does the symbolism of the colour red and the new focus on the Welsh dragon, along with the retention of the long standing Bluebird element.

With the powerful images these portray in both Wales and the Asian marketplaces I am prepared to back this vision with the investment that we have outlined above, which I would hope demonstrates both my commitment and confidence in that strategy.

Given our commitment to date, I sincerely would like to see our supporters join us on this journey with the sole desire of making Cardiff City Football Club the best it can be.

There is no reason why any existing supporter needs to be disenfranchised.

This is and always will remain your club."



So VT never said "Red or I Don't Invest" or even words to that effect. Glad I could help Barry.

Very sensitive at the moment aren't you chuckles....

I added the word Evil because when I think of the word dictatorship I don't think of good people or football for that matter...

Infanct if you google that word wiki gives you a pic of Stallin!!!! Guessing your familiar with him yeah?

and that is the exact impression he is (not so) subtly trying to create !

It was words to that effect, do you agree?

Whether you used quotations or not. You and You alone suggested those were his words..

But I'm making things up? Fool indeed.

It was words to that effect, do you agree?

Whether you used quotations or not. You and You alone suggested those were his words..

But I'm making things up? Fool indeed.

Yes, you are. You're adding words to posts that I make and then using those words to discredit me... what a pillock!

Its sad to see some fans posting on here, im pro blue and detest the red its sickening! but just because some wealthy man come in waving some cash around the majority couldn't give a flying f**k what he does to our club? Our fans have become the laughing stock of football for this and most cant see that as they and blinkered by tan!

Its crazy how most now say that they like the red and tan should be able to do what he likes with our club, im sorry he does not care about one fan not even the ones who 'support him' so thats move much he values you. Its crazy when you think about it and put it into perspective how much tan firstly disrespected our club and tradition and in the fashion were he bare face lied to us fans regarding the whole issue we are now debating over.

What did tan say, something along the lines of ' Cardiff City Will Remain Blue ' Look at us now.

No! what he said was he apologised for causing upset and that wasn't his intention, he withdrew his offer to invest and rebrand and said we could stay in Blue, but most of us were worried that without his support we may be in blue but possibly only until we were wound up be the HMRC calling the debt in.

Now VT kindly reviewed his decision and put the offer back on the table,after the realisation by fans at what the possible outcome could be and luckily for us, he stuck with us,and hence we are where we are because of it.
Those people that see themselves as defenders of the club, are in truth defenders of a colour,because the majority of true fans put the clubs needs ahead of their choice of colour, and that was done in support of the club rather than what suited them personally.

Gwyn he could had apologized till the cows came home but in truth the damage was and is done and it runs deep. Its just sad to see how easily they turned over for a bit of cash and lets be honest we are just a marketing tool for the far east, he doesnt care about us fans or indeed the club.

No he apologised for making the offer because he had an idea/business plan that marketing the club for investment in the far east in his opinion needed to be done in red.
As for sad to see how easily the fans rolled over as you say, it wasn't easy for any of us, but as I say it was done as a personal sacrifice because we put the clubs well being and success ahead of personal choice.

Now people go on about getting in the Premiership, but success to me and many others is simply staying in business and having a club to support, those older ones among us have had many years of dour football but stuck with it because we put the club and our support of the club first, if it was about success we'd have gone to Liverpool or Man U along with many others. Having a football club in whatever league and one that isn't threatened with bankruptcy every other month is success enough for us.

Those people prepared tom risk losing a club they reckon they support over a change of colour, need to have a good long look at themselves sin the mirror.

The true supporters put the clubs needs ahead of a choice of colour.

There were even statements from the leadership of the KCB saying they would rather see the club go bust than change colour, MAD, and then they go on about history and tradition, yet they were happy for it all to end for the sake of a colour.

Spot on Gwyn.

It was words to that effect, do you agree?

Whether you used quotations or not. You and You alone suggested those were his words..

But I'm making things up? Fool indeed.

I wouldn't bother continuing, Chuckles carries on belittling and arguing with people long after he has been proven wrong and seen to have had a mare'.

The posts speak for themselves

It was words to that effect, do you agree?

Whether you used quotations or not. You and You alone suggested those were his words..

But I'm making things up? Fool indeed.

I wouldn't bother continuing, Chuckles carries on belittling and arguing with people long after he has been proven wrong and seen to have had a mare'.

The posts speak for themselves

The person who has added words to people's quotes & then uses those words to try and discredit someone.... If say they were the one having a "mare".

Of course, that would be against your agenda to me.

Looks good. Wouldn't really care if the bluebird is blue or if it just follows the template. If it's blue then it really will stand out among the red, so I guess people's knickers won't be in a twist.

It was words to that effect, do you agree?

Whether you used quotations or not. You and You alone suggested those were his words..

But I'm making things up? Fool indeed.

Yes, you are. You're adding words to posts that I make and then using those words to discredit me... what a pillock!

So... For what I have done I am a "Fool and a"Pillock".

But I have done so on a medium where I can or You ou can answer back or defend yourself.

Where you have done the exact same to VT and you know he will not come on and defend himself.

So what does that make you?

And I have done so,in this discussion with you without name calling....
Which again says more about you than me doesn't it.

"WORDS TO THAT EFFECT" Jesus Christ.

Anyway, Tan has rejected any chance he gets of talking to the fans.

Last edited by Barry Chuckle on Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.

And I have done so,in this discussion with you without name calling....
Which again says more about you than me doesn't it.

You've called me a fool, so that's more inaccuracies.

Do you know what Plural means?


Word added; Evil

Words Added; "Red or don't invest and your club folds"

Word is a Single and Words is Plural.

You have stated I have added "Words" when history shows us that was you my friend.

Do you know what Plural means?


Word added; Evil

Words Added; "Red or don't invest and your club folds"

Word is a Single and Words is Plural.

You have stated I have added "Words" when history shows us that was you my friend.

I didn't claim that he said those things. As I said, it was words to that effect.

Dear me... You really are struggling with that.

And I have done so,in this discussion with you without name calling....
Which again says more about you than me doesn't it.

You've called me a fool, so that's more inaccuracies.

For some one who likes to quote about people making things ups and inaccuracies you sure are a bit hypocritical.

For instance I have not said "Your a Fool" not in one single post.
You have said "A silly fool" an "Pillock" both of which were directed at me...

I have only said
"But I'm making things up,Fool indeed"

Is the badge done yet? Hmmm

Do you know what Plural means?


Word added; Evil

Words Added; "Red or don't invest and your club folds"

Word is a Single and Words is Plural.

You have stated I have added "Words" when history shows us that was you my friend.

I didn't claim that he said those things. As I said, it was words to that effect.

Dear me... You really are struggling with that.

No I am not. I have briefly red the post that VT made I can not see words to that effect.

Dear me indeed!!!!

Is the badge done yet? Hmmm

Funny thing I googled dictatorship earlier and it offered a video for the song Cult of personality

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Chuckles spot the deliberate spelling mistake.... Couldn't resist it dude

Well now lets get the thread back on track
Rather than being the chuckles show
What aload of fuss about nothing
Nice blue bluebird standing out against the red

Its sad to see some fans posting on here, im pro blue and detest the red its sickening! but just because some wealthy man come in waving some cash around the majority couldn't give a flying f**k what he does to our club? Our fans have become the laughing stock of football for this and most cant see that as they and blinkered by tan!

Its crazy how most now say that they like the red and tan should be able to do what he likes with our club, im sorry he does not care about one fan not even the ones who 'support him' so thats move much he values you. Its crazy when you think about it and put it into perspective how much tan firstly disrespected our club and tradition and in the fashion were he bare face lied to us fans regarding the whole issue we are now debating over.

What did tan say, something along the lines of ' Cardiff City Will Remain Blue ' Look at us now.

Mate I could not agree more with you, some fans need to wake up, there selling themselves for a bit of succcess

With comments like this your hardly going to get a lot of fans on your side,you really are a nasty piece of work.

But that is their choice, not yours!!

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now that looks much better with that bluebird there it stands out against the red

Got to laugh at all this! Tan makes statement nowhere does he say red or dead? He did say though unless change is implemented he would not invest anymore! If that happened the club would be have been dead? But that had nothing to do with tan as the club was insolvent before he came along. So you can't blame tan for something that had nothing to do with him! it was basically red or dead but blame previous regimes their the one's who put club in that position in 1st place! But guess it's not true as it doesn't suit agenda of some.

I drove past before but dont know how to put pics up

Could have saved a few people overheating

Got to say the badge is growing on me ,is it really that bad ? I'm a proud Welshman and the dragon looks good

If the badge makes you a proud Welshman then it should be on the Wales kit not the Cardiff kit

The Chinese dragon has the tail pointing down, the Welsh one has the tail pointing up, so on our badge it is the
WELSH DRAGON

is the bluebird red, can someone take a updated picture

The badge will never grow on me as it will always symbolise the way he just ploughed in thoughtlessly
and disregarded the very people he said he was going to listen too. Could have been handled far far
better. He's made a rod for his own back. How on earth does he expect to build up a rapport with the
fan base when its plain he has no interest in anything we have to say. And those that are only interested
with how much hes spending are just as bad. Rich or skint, City is in my blood

is the bluebird red, can someone take a updated picture

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