' This bluebirds unite march against Man City '

Tony, they are not damaging our club, they are keeping the BLUE alive. You will always get pockets who can sometimes get out of control. Sian is trying her best to keep everyone well behaved and has warned people no abuse.
You have said its a democratic world.
I don't agree with fans wearing the red and I am stunned and hurt that they do, but that's what they want to do.
Tan will do what he wants anyway.

Everyone does things in their own way, for now I prefer to just continue to wear my BLUE with pride,

I hope Sian can control them but history has proved that will be very difficult to do. Honestly I can see no good coming from this.

I controlled 3,000 when we marched against the Riddler Tony, not one bad incident, infant we got praise from the media.

Yes you did but marching against Ridsdale and marching against Tans vision are two different things one almost destroyed our club the other saved it and what thanks does he get? protest. Don't be surprised if he says enough is enough

Like I say, I am not marching on it, but they are entitled to their views being heard and yes I want my Identity back,I will be wearing BLUE at every game.
As I have said before Tan will do what he wants and will leave when he is ready.

So do I want a return to blue but dialogue is the way not protest. I don't own a red shirt but you do our club no favour annis by constantly making bluebirds Unite threads into stickies its as good as promoting them and say what you will what they are doing is damaging our club and the fans relationship with our owner. It will all end in tears.

I support Cardiff City and alternate between red and blue at games. Man City will be a red day for me.

:lol: Tony "Blue" Williams having a pop at people for not agreeing with him. As normal.

If people want to march, let them march. Free speech & a right to an opinion & all that.

Barry Chuckles derailing another thread, by having a pop at someone who does not agree with his views.

I'm debating the march, which is what this thread is about.

You, however, and the king of derailers, after you were backed into it in your own thread the other night. Hilarious.

I'm also debating the march, or I was until you turned up and went off on one again. I have no idea what you are on about with this thread the other night. What was it you turned up in the middle of the night and posted something in order to have the last word? Honestly you are so sad.

Tony, you say a "deal is a deal" like the fans shook hands on it

It was nothing to do with the fans.

Chuckles it is impossible to have a debate with you as you make no logical arguments and just ramble. As I have pointed out how can you comment on how VT has left the club when he hasn't left yet? And yes VT has stuck to his word so far, Langston paid, Premiership, Training Ground etc. although admittedly there is still more to do i.e. Debt to Equity, but yes I do trust him to do that.

Instead of just posting a remark (which you don't give a source to) post some evidence if you think the above is wrong?

And finally for the THIRD time how come I'm no longer on ignore? Another Chuckles lie or back track (I suppose that's abuse is it )

Argue against my point then. You TELL me why you don't believe Tan when he says "I will leave the club in good hands"...

You trust him to do all the other stuff, yet don't trust him on this one? How selective of you.

Your argument is, without Tan, we would do a Portsmouth... When Tan, a man you've said you trust, has said that wont happen...

I've already told you once. Open your eyes.

Tony, you say a "deal is a deal" like the fans shook hands on it

It was nothing to do with the fans.

If that's the case then why form a protest group and hold a march?

I’ll be there.

I’m pro blue, and I’m willing to prove it, rather than meekly claiming to be pro-blue, but do nothing to stand up for it.

This is a celebration walk to celebrate the history and identity of the club, and our pride in it. What is wrong with that?

The media will be fully briefed on what it is.

If Tan perceives it another way, then perhaps he should stop acting like an innocent little princess and meet with people and engage and discuss their concerns. He couldn’t even be bothered to meet the trust.

The man is head of a company, he needs to engage with ‘customers’, otherwise he brings problems on himself.

That’s the case here. Perhaps if he doesn’t want any problems with fans he should have thought of that before getting rid of 100 years of history and replacing our proud bluebird with a dragon nicked off the Welsh flag.

Are people, really, honestly, criticising Cardiff City fans walking to the ground to honour our clubs identity? Is that seriously what people are doing?

If you are pro-blue, you should consider being on the walk. There is nothing to be ashamed of, and we can’t keep cowering away in case Tan takes offence at anything.

No offence is caused, it’s about being positive about the club’s true identity.

This is pathetic! Why do certain Cardiff fans believe in taking someone for millions and then go back on the deal? would you take money from someone who bought your car, but then still drive off with the money and the car?

Why can't we enjoy the fact that we going to play in the Premier league next season! it may only be one season!

You cannot deny that without VT we would NOT be in the position we are in now!

You refer to this time and again and TBH no-one understands why you do it? How can you laugh at how VT will leave the club when he hasn't left yet?

Honestly Chuckles you really are way off the mark at times.

If you don't understand, it says a lot about you.

You are all saying that club is doomed etc if Tan leaves (like he's the only person in the world that could afford CCFC ) yet, from the man himself, there is evidence to disprove that theory...WHAT EVIDENCE?

Some don't want to accept that though, as it doesn't go along with their agenda.

Chuckles your way out fella.In all the time I've been a supporter of this club there has never been any owner with Tans financial clout.Beore Tan took over this club there was NO_ONE(fact)interested and if any are willing to step into Tans shoes now I.ve yet to see it.I look forward to you putting me strait on this matter with your evidence.

This is pathetic! Why do certain Cardiff fans believe in taking someone for millions and then go back on the deal? would you take money from someone who bought your car, but then still drive off with the money and the car?

Why can't we enjoy the fact that we going to play in the Premier league next season! it may only be one season!

You cannot deny that without VT we would NOT be in the position we are in now!

I never signed for a deal pal.

And unless you haven't noticed, we don't live in the USSR. We all have independent thoughts and should respect them all.

You seriously have a problem with Cardiff City fans walking to the ground behind a bluebird flag?

Chuckles it is impossible to have a debate with you as you make no logical arguments and just ramble. As I have pointed out how can you comment on how VT has left the club when he hasn't left yet? And yes VT has stuck to his word so far, Langston paid, Premiership, Training Ground etc. although admittedly there is still more to do i.e. Debt to Equity, but yes I do trust him to do that.

Instead of just posting a remark (which you don't give a source to) post some evidence if you think the above is wrong?

And finally for the THIRD time how come I'm no longer on ignore? Another Chuckles lie or back track (I suppose that's abuse is it )

Argue against my point then. You TELL me why you don't believe Tan when he says "I will leave the club in good hands"...

You trust him to do all the other stuff, yet don't trust him on this one? How selective of you.

Your argument is, without Tan, we would do a Portsmouth... When Tan, a man you've said you trust, has said that wont happen...

I've already told you once. Open your eyes.

When have I said I don't believe VT will leave the club in good hands? Again you have avoided telling us where this quote came from so I can't fully comment without knowing the full context.

I gave Portsmouth as an example of what can happen if owners pull out.

And for the FOURTH time why have you taken me off ignore? More lies Chuckles

When have I said I don't believe VT will leave the club in good hands? Again you have avoided telling us where this quote came from so I can't fully comment without knowing the full context.

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I gave Portsmouth as an example of what can happen if owners pull out.

Well, that won't happen. As Tan, a man you say you trust, has said he will leave the club in good hands when he goes.

And for the FOURTH time why have you taken me off ignore? More lies Chuckles

as I said in my last post (you really do need to learn to read properly) I've already told you.

Tony, you say a "deal is a deal" like the fans shook hands on it

It was nothing to do with the fans.

If that's the case then why form a protest group and hold a march?

Erm, because the fans are not happy with the colour change and in this country people have the right to march.

Given some of the people I now see involved in Bluebirds Unite, people who can more than hold their own, will there be any threats or bullying like all the other pro-blue groups were belittled / bullied?

Or is that only reserved for people they know they can bully?

Doubt it. It's too big for that now.

This is pathetic! Why do certain Cardiff fans believe in taking someone for millions and then go back on the deal? would you take money from someone who bought your car, but then still drive off with the money and the car?

Why can't we enjoy the fact that we going to play in the Premier league next season! it may only be one season!

You cannot deny that without VT we would NOT be in the position we are in now!

I never signed for a deal pal.

And unless you haven't noticed, we don't live in the USSR. We all have independent thoughts and should respect them all.

You seriously have a problem with Cardiff City fans walking to the ground behind a bluebird flag?

Obviously you didn't sign a legally binding contract with VT, but collectively we agreed to rebrand in exchange for £100m. The independently thinking point works both ways and if some of us think a protest march (or celebration) is a bad idea then we have the exact same right as you to say so.

Given some of the people I now see involved in Bluebirds Unite, people who can more than hold their own, will there be any threats or bullying like all the other pro-blue groups were belittled / bullied?

Or is that only reserved for people they know they can bully?

Doubt it. It's too big for that now.

Obviously you didn't sign a legally binding contract with VT, but collectively we agreed to rebrand in exchange for £100m.

What a load of shit

The "fans" didnt collectively agree to anything.

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Given some of the people I now see involved in Bluebirds Unite, people who can more than hold their own, will there be any threats or bullying like all the other pro-blue groups were belittled / bullied?

Or is that only reserved for people they know they can bully?

Doubt it. It's too big for that now.

Why are you rolling your eyes? Unless you condone the bullying, intimidation & humiliation that the other groups were subject to?

Some very good points have been made on this thread, on both sides of the fence, but unfortunately have yet again been derailed by the Chuckmeister. Why the mods allow this to happen I do not know!

I totally respect the democratic right of fans to march and protest but unfortunately in this case I feel it can only undermine the stability that Mr T has brought to this club.

I don't think the OP was saying that BU don't have the right to a "celebration march" - although I think most fans, and certainly the media, will see it as a protest march against our owner. I think he was trying to say there are better ways of achieving their goal, which is a return to blue - namely dialogue with the decision makers at the club.

Without re-reading the thread I believe a key point made by Tony was that we were given the option of investment in return for changing colour. Essentially this was a verbal contract upon which a small minority are now renagging on.

I have total respect for any fans that relinquished their ST's and no longer go to watch us as this must have been an extremely painful decision for them to make. I cannot feel the same about fans who still go to games but continue to put this issue over and above all the good things that Tan has brought to our club, they are very blinkered in my view.

Tony, you say a "deal is a deal" like the fans shook hands on it

It was nothing to do with the fans.

If that's the case then why form a protest group and hold a march?

Erm, because the fans are not happy with the colour change and in this country people have the right to march.

Yes I agree almost 100% of CCFC fans are not happy with the colour change but only a SMALL minority believe we should go against the owner who we had a collective agreement with and hold a protest march after he has delivered on a huge part of his commitment.

Of course you have the right to march, but that doesn't automatically mean you are in the right.

This is pathetic! Why do certain Cardiff fans believe in taking someone for millions and then go back on the deal? would you take money from someone who bought your car, but then still drive off with the money and the car?

Why can't we enjoy the fact that we going to play in the Premier league next season! it may only be one season!

You cannot deny that without VT we would NOT be in the position we are in now!

I never signed for a deal pal.

And unless you haven't noticed, we don't live in the USSR. We all have independent thoughts and should respect them all.

You seriously have a problem with Cardiff City fans walking to the ground behind a bluebird flag?

With this march your ruining the day for thousands of Cardiff City fans.
This protest march will be the end for bu,mark my words.

This is pathetic! Why do certain Cardiff fans believe in taking someone for millions and then go back on the deal? would you take money from someone who bought your car, but then still drive off with the money and the car?

Why can't we enjoy the fact that we going to play in the Premier league next season! it may only be one season!

You cannot deny that without VT we would NOT be in the position we are in now!

I never signed for a deal pal.

And unless you haven't noticed, we don't live in the USSR. We all have independent thoughts and should respect them all.

You seriously have a problem with Cardiff City fans walking to the ground behind a bluebird flag?

Yea sorry to tell you mate but you didnt sign the deal because your a fan and not a board member...and if you didnt notice before VT came in, we had a massive debt with no one willing to pay and without him the club could have gone down hill!

i havent got a problem with them doing, i'm all for the blue but just dont do on a historic day which is going to disrupt VT and going to broadcast across the whole world.

If i thought that we could have made the leap to the premier league, get debt free and sign names like steven caulker without VT then i'd be at that march! but that isnt the case in my opinion sorry to tell. we needed the money and had to compromise!

All i was saying is forget this pathetic argument between fans because we cant do nothing about expect stop going to games and then the team will suffer, so lets just get behind the team so we can stay in the premier league!

Obviously you didn't sign a legally binding contract with VT, but collectively we agreed to rebrand in exchange for £100m.

What a load of shit

To you it is, but to the vast majority of fair minded honest supporters it is not.

This is pathetic! Why do certain Cardiff fans believe in taking someone for millions and then go back on the deal? would you take money from someone who bought your car, but then still drive off with the money and the car?

Why can't we enjoy the fact that we going to play in the Premier league next season! it may only be one season!

You cannot deny that without VT we would NOT be in the position we are in now!

I never signed for a deal pal.

And unless you haven't noticed, we don't live in the USSR. We all have independent thoughts and should respect them all.

You seriously have a problem with Cardiff City fans walking to the ground behind a bluebird flag?

With this march your ruining the day for thousands of Cardiff City fans.
This protest march will be the end for bu,mark my words.

What on earth are you going on about?

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Given some of the people I now see involved in Bluebirds Unite, people who can more than hold their own, will there be any threats or bullying like all the other pro-blue groups were belittled / bullied?

Or is that only reserved for people they know they can bully?

Doubt it. It's too big for that now.

Why are you rolling your eyes? Unless you condone the bullying, intimidation & humiliation that the other groups were subject to?

Chuckles you use the time and again. Stop playing the victim card and stop being such a bloody hypocrite.

Verbal contract & deals FFS... You seem to think that the fans opinions actually mattered.

Well Tan shoudln't have done the change in the first place so he has only himself to blame is any bad press comes from this. Whether you like it or not a march is a demoractic right and good luck to everyone who attends.

For once i almost agree with you.

If Sky speak to me i'll say:

We are not against Vincent Tan in any way shape or form, he has worked wonders here. All we
are doing is reminding him that he promised consultation with the fans on any colour changes
or badge changes and that he so far has not done so. Most of us accept that he has an affinity
and a liking for red and that Cardiff City will be playing in red. But surely sitting down with the
fans and seeing if there is common ground for the shorts/socks/badge cannot harm his desire
for Red. Blue shorts? Why not? Blue socks? why not? Bigger Bluebird? Why not? Surely these
questions cannot be seen as disruptive?

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Chuckles you use the time and again. Stop playing the victim card and stop being such a bloody hypocrite.

So do you... Yet you call me a hypocrite?

Priceless.

Verbal contract & deals FFS... You seem to think that the fans opinions actually mattered.

There'll be about 60 people u16 and 10 people 30+

Your way out, hundreds will march

Hundreds? That is still a very small minority as thousands would stand by VT. None of us like playing in red,

but there was a deal

that we rebranded and in exchange VT would invest £100m into CCFC and make the club debt free.

So basically you are saying we should take the cash and then dump all over VT and insist on having the blue back now. People like that are dishonourable and are frankly spoilt bastards who don't like not getting their own way.

Grow up become an adult and understand that life operates on honouring deals and contracts. I for one have NO intention on going back on the deal struck with VT although I will wait patiently for an honourable solution in the future where a possible mutually acceptable time will emerge for a return to blue.

You talk about a deal? What deal? I don't remember VT asking Cardiff fans to sign a deal? Only a select few allowed to vote on shorts