The EDL and the Met

No comment on the muslims call to prayer in the grounds of Westminster abbey though eh Craig? The police dont see that as
provocative. Yet The EDL bell-ends (yes they are) arent allowed to walk past a mosque?

As I said in my first post. Any race/religion not adhering to police instruction should be dealt the same.

Be honest, why did they need to walk past that particular mosque?

Not sure what this westminster abbey thing is?

You now need a reason to walk past a Mosque?

how is muslim morning prayers offensive?

are you a member of the church of england?

are you a regular church goer?

how exactly are you offended by a religious ceremony which happens all around the world every day several times a day?

I see you havent answered any of my previous questions

walking past a mosque isnt offensive in itself as neither is practicing prayers

however

Tommy and the EDL walking past a mosque threatening muslims and shouting go to hell paki bastards is offensive

same as if these muslims launched a direct attack on the church of england or westminster abbey that would be offensive

if the EDL marched passed that mosque it would have kicked off you know. I know it, Tommy knew it.

Muslims saying prayers in westminster without incident isnt a crime

Tommy Robinson walking past a mosque isnt a crime. Tommy Robinson walking past a mosque shouting go to hell would
be offensive. But how can you assume thats what he was going to do, than also assume the Muslim call to prayer was innocent. Ironic really, seeing as Muslim protesters carry banners saying "British Police go to hell" and aren't arrested. eh?

Now, once more. Can you think of one innocent reason why the Muslims decided to call a prayer meeting (complete with loudspeakers) right outside the home of the Church of England in Britain. Of course you f*cking can't. your just too bloody
wrapped up in your PC world to admit it was provocative, aggressive and rude. Yet quite happy to put the boot on the other foot and say Robinson is. Oh and ''the Church of England and Islam working together'' .... have you seen how Christians are treated in Iran, Iraq and Pakistan. Forget Saudi, Islams biggest country, seeing as Christianity is BANNED there. Working together eh? Go visit Mecca see how you get on? (oh i forgot, your not Muslim, they wont let you in!)[/quote]

Sorry but your generalising everything with no real understanding

you may not of liked the muslim protests with 'british police go to hell' but they did stick to the agreed route as set up by the protest group and the police, something the EDL fails to struggle with.

you may not like how muslims conduct their religious ceremonies but they have done this for centuries why should they change, technology changes but the way they practice hasnt

No I dont like the way Christians are treated in Iran, Iraq, Pakistan or Saudi Arabia thankfully I live in a country that allows the free practice of religion something you dont appear to support.

I am saddened that I cant visit Mecca I have visited many religious landmarks and not just of my own religion but of many religions.

Religions may not work together in the countries you mention but they do in this country I have seen it first hand and I see it all the time. If you dont want to recognise that, thats your problem not this countries.

Let me ask you again what religious denomination do you belong to?

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very possible however it does diminish your idea that its religion causing problems

Not really, religion has caused problems in the past and still in the present and always will.

Bare in mind I'm a staunch atheist and I'm rather close minded on a religious topic.

well if your going to be closed minded I would say stop getting involved in discussions where religion is involved

if your an athiest thats fine as is your choice but then stop presuming what is right and wrong for religions otherwise you aint much different from the poster here claiming to be offended on behalf of the church of england. As muslims werent standing toe to toe against the church of england, as far as I know it was very peaceful, I fail to see how religions can be blamed for Tommy Robinson getting arrested or whether people should be offended by muslims praying in westminster.

I'm merely having my say, what's wrong with that? With out trying to sound nit picky do you only have to be religious to get involved in a religious debate?

no not at all freedom of speech and all that but if your going to make a general statement such as religion causing problems, I would like you to explain how religion has caused a problem in this particular situation because not being a member of the church of england or a muslim I fail to see how either of these religions have caused a problem. So do you want to elaborate or are you going to stick with your original statement

Let me ask another question. The answer will help me with my answer. Are the EDL religious?

no the EDL isnt religious but not sure how that supports your general sweeping statement about religions causing problems[/quote]

My statement wasn't directly aimed at this incident and to be fair I'm struggling a bit to elaborate. However, I'm sure there are a lot of Christians in the EDL and protesting against Islam must be seen as a religious issue? Surely?

P.S, to clarify what I just said about Christians being in the EDL was just an assumption as I didn't research into it.[/quote]

so your statement was just a sweeping statement with no backing to go with it?

this country has had enough problems within christianity without dragging islam into it

yes there are nutters supposedly fighting for Islam, the same as there were nutters in the IRA fighting for Irish independence and Catholic rights and the opposing Loyalist movements fighting for protestant rights. These people dont fight for religion thy fight for their own agendas.

there may well have practicing Christians in the EDL however if there are I would say they really havent listened to their religious teachings or have taken their own interpretation which is correct me if im wrong what the EDL protest against when it comes to Islam[/quote]

Ill hold my hands up, I as clutching at straws a bit but it doesn't change my viewpoint of religion. Again, it was a poor post on my behalf and I put my hands up.

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Not really, religion has caused problems in the past and still in the present and always will.

Bare in mind I'm a staunch atheist and I'm rather close minded on a religious topic.

well if your going to be closed minded I would say stop getting involved in discussions where religion is involved

if your an athiest thats fine as is your choice but then stop presuming what is right and wrong for religions otherwise you aint much different from the poster here claiming to be offended on behalf of the church of england. As muslims werent standing toe to toe against the church of england, as far as I know it was very peaceful, I fail to see how religions can be blamed for Tommy Robinson getting arrested or whether people should be offended by muslims praying in westminster.

I'm merely having my say, what's wrong with that? With out trying to sound nit picky do you only have to be religious to get involved in a religious debate?

no not at all freedom of speech and all that but if your going to make a general statement such as religion causing problems, I would like you to explain how religion has caused a problem in this particular situation because not being a member of the church of england or a muslim I fail to see how either of these religions have caused a problem. So do you want to elaborate or are you going to stick with your original statement

Let me ask another question. The answer will help me with my answer. Are the EDL religious?

no the EDL isnt religious but not sure how that supports your general sweeping statement about religions causing problems

My statement wasn't directly aimed at this incident and to be fair I'm struggling a bit to elaborate. However, I'm sure there are a lot of Christians in the EDL and protesting against Islam must be seen as a religious issue? Surely?

P.S, to clarify what I just said about Christians being in the EDL was just an assumption as I didn't research into it.[/quote]

so your statement was just a sweeping statement with no backing to go with it?

this country has had enough problems within christianity without dragging islam into it

yes there are nutters supposedly fighting for Islam, the same as there were nutters in the IRA fighting for Irish independence and Catholic rights and the opposing Loyalist movements fighting for protestant rights. These people dont fight for religion thy fight for their own agendas.

there may well have practicing Christians in the EDL however if there are I would say they really havent listened to their religious teachings or have taken their own interpretation which is correct me if im wrong what the EDL protest against when it comes to Islam[/quote]

Ill hold my hands up, I as clutching at straws a bit but it doesn't change my viewpoint of religion. Again, it was a poor post on my behalf and I put my hands up.[/quote]

not criticising your belief just back it up next time when you reference your beliefs to particular situations

I normally do but was rather lazy of me, again I hold my hands up.

how is muslim morning prayers offensive?

are you a member of the church of england?

are you a regular church goer?

how exactly are you offended by a religious ceremony which happens all around the world every day several times a day?

I see you havent answered any of my previous questions

walking past a mosque isnt offensive in itself as neither is practicing prayers

however

Tommy and the EDL walking past a mosque threatening muslims and shouting go to hell paki bastards is offensive

same as if these muslims launched a direct attack on the church of england or westminster abbey that would be offensive

if the EDL marched passed that mosque it would have kicked off you know. I know it, Tommy knew it.

Muslims saying prayers in westminster without incident isnt a crime

Tommy Robinson walking past a mosque isnt a crime. Tommy Robinson walking past a mosque shouting go to hell would
be offensive. But how can you assume thats what he was going to do, than also assume the Muslim call to prayer was innocent. Ironic really, seeing as Muslim protesters carry banners saying "British Police go to hell" and aren't arrested. eh?

Now, once more. Can you think of one innocent reason why the Muslims decided to call a prayer meeting (complete with loudspeakers) right outside the home of the Church of England in Britain. Of course you f*cking can't. your just too bloody
wrapped up in your PC world to admit it was provocative, aggressive and rude. Yet quite happy to put the boot on the other foot and say Robinson is. Oh and ''the Church of England and Islam working together'' .... have you seen how Christians are treated in Iran, Iraq and Pakistan. Forget Saudi, Islams biggest country, seeing as Christianity is BANNED there. Working together eh? Go visit Mecca see how you get on? (oh i forgot, your not Muslim, they wont let you in!)

Sorry but your generalising everything with no real understanding

you may not of liked the muslim protests with 'british police go to hell' but they did stick to the agreed route as set up by the protest group and the police, something the EDL fails to struggle with.

you may not like how muslims conduct their religious ceremonies but they have done this for centuries why should they change, technology changes but the way they practice hasnt

No I dont like the way Christians are treated in Iran, Iraq, Pakistan or Saudi Arabia thankfully I live in a country that allows the free practice of religion something you dont appear to support.

I am saddened that I cant visit Mecca I have visited many religious landmarks and not just of my own religion but of many religions.

Religions may not work together in the countries you mention but they do in this country I have seen it first hand and I see it all the time. If you dont want to recognise that, thats your problem not this countries.

Let me ask you again what religious denomination do you belong to?[/quote]

Yet again. you totally refuse to accept that the Call to Prayer at Westminster Abbey was a deliberately provocative act but do
not come back with an innocent alternative as to why they did it.

Incidentally, my religious denomination has absolutely no bearing on my mistrust of Islam. When i see hundreds of Islamic youths attacking EDL extremists yet not one Islamic youth has ever attacked their own extremist Choudary, thats all the evidence i need that there is something deep rooted and wrong in the muslim communities. Or can you give me ONE good reason why Choudary is never attacked

Bluelikeyou: No one is allowed on the grass at Westminster.

Bluelikeyou: No one is allowed on the grass at Westminster.

That would suffice for the Met to stop ANY group other than an Islamic one praying. You can imagine the coppers shitting themselves.

how is muslim morning prayers offensive?

are you a member of the church of england?

are you a regular church goer?

how exactly are you offended by a religious ceremony which happens all around the world every day several times a day?

I see you havent answered any of my previous questions

walking past a mosque isnt offensive in itself as neither is practicing prayers

however

Tommy and the EDL walking past a mosque threatening muslims and shouting go to hell paki bastards is offensive

same as if these muslims launched a direct attack on the church of england or westminster abbey that would be offensive

if the EDL marched passed that mosque it would have kicked off you know. I know it, Tommy knew it.

Muslims saying prayers in westminster without incident isnt a crime

Tommy Robinson walking past a mosque isnt a crime. Tommy Robinson walking past a mosque shouting go to hell would
be offensive. But how can you assume thats what he was going to do, than also assume the Muslim call to prayer was innocent. Ironic really, seeing as Muslim protesters carry banners saying "British Police go to hell" and aren't arrested. eh?

Now, once more. Can you think of one innocent reason why the Muslims decided to call a prayer meeting (complete with loudspeakers) right outside the home of the Church of England in Britain. Of course you f*cking can't. your just too bloody
wrapped up in your PC world to admit it was provocative, aggressive and rude. Yet quite happy to put the boot on the other foot and say Robinson is. Oh and ''the Church of England and Islam working together'' .... have you seen how Christians are treated in Iran, Iraq and Pakistan. Forget Saudi, Islams biggest country, seeing as Christianity is BANNED there. Working together eh? Go visit Mecca see how you get on? (oh i forgot, your not Muslim, they wont let you in!)

Sorry but your generalising everything with no real understanding

you may not of liked the muslim protests with 'british police go to hell' but they did stick to the agreed route as set up by the protest group and the police, something the EDL fails to struggle with.

you may not like how muslims conduct their religious ceremonies but they have done this for centuries why should they change, technology changes but the way they practice hasnt

No I dont like the way Christians are treated in Iran, Iraq, Pakistan or Saudi Arabia thankfully I live in a country that allows the free practice of religion something you dont appear to support.

I am saddened that I cant visit Mecca I have visited many religious landmarks and not just of my own religion but of many religions.

Religions may not work together in the countries you mention but they do in this country I have seen it first hand and I see it all the time. If you dont want to recognise that, thats your problem not this countries.

Let me ask you again what religious denomination do you belong to?

Yet again. you totally refuse to accept that the Call to Prayer at Westminster Abbey was a deliberately provocative act but do
not come back with an innocent alternative as to why they did it.

Incidentally, my religious denomination has absolutely no bearing on my mistrust of Islam. When i see hundreds of Islamic youths attacking EDL extremists yet not one Islamic youth has ever attacked their own extremist Choudary, thats all the evidence i need that there is something deep rooted and wrong in the muslim communities. Or can you give me ONE good reason why Choudary is never attacked[/quote]

Well I dont know why they chose to pray outside westminster abbey but when you google it you get pages and pages of BNP, NF and EDL pages condemning it so I cant find any view form a muslim perspective so until I do ill reserve judgement.

I dont know why you feel so offended on behalf of the Church of England, im pretty sure they can talk for themselves being the only religious denomination with a political voice in this country also if the dean of westminster wanted to put a protest in he would have.

Ill give you a few good reasons why Choudary isnt attacked same reasons why Catholic communities didnt attack the IRA or protestant communities didnt attack the loyalist movements, because they are scared or what people like Choudary will do to people in the muslim community who stand against them, same way as Catholic communities were scared of what the IRA would do to them. People in this country have very short memories.

how is muslim morning prayers offensive?

are you a member of the church of england?

are you a regular church goer?

how exactly are you offended by a religious ceremony which happens all around the world every day several times a day?

I see you havent answered any of my previous questions

walking past a mosque isnt offensive in itself as neither is practicing prayers

however

Tommy and the EDL walking past a mosque threatening muslims and shouting go to hell paki bastards is offensive

same as if these muslims launched a direct attack on the church of england or westminster abbey that would be offensive

if the EDL marched passed that mosque it would have kicked off you know. I know it, Tommy knew it.

Muslims saying prayers in westminster without incident isnt a crime

Tommy Robinson walking past a mosque isnt a crime. Tommy Robinson walking past a mosque shouting go to hell would
be offensive. But how can you assume thats what he was going to do, than also assume the Muslim call to prayer was innocent. Ironic really, seeing as Muslim protesters carry banners saying "British Police go to hell" and aren't arrested. eh?

Now, once more. Can you think of one innocent reason why the Muslims decided to call a prayer meeting (complete with loudspeakers) right outside the home of the Church of England in Britain. Of course you f*cking can't. your just too bloody
wrapped up in your PC world to admit it was provocative, aggressive and rude. Yet quite happy to put the boot on the other foot and say Robinson is. Oh and ''the Church of England and Islam working together'' .... have you seen how Christians are treated in Iran, Iraq and Pakistan. Forget Saudi, Islams biggest country, seeing as Christianity is BANNED there. Working together eh? Go visit Mecca see how you get on? (oh i forgot, your not Muslim, they wont let you in!)

Sorry but your generalising everything with no real understanding

you may not of liked the muslim protests with 'british police go to hell' but they did stick to the agreed route as set up by the protest group and the police, something the EDL fails to struggle with.

you may not like how muslims conduct their religious ceremonies but they have done this for centuries why should they change, technology changes but the way they practice hasnt

No I dont like the way Christians are treated in Iran, Iraq, Pakistan or Saudi Arabia thankfully I live in a country that allows the free practice of religion something you dont appear to support.

I am saddened that I cant visit Mecca I have visited many religious landmarks and not just of my own religion but of many religions.

Religions may not work together in the countries you mention but they do in this country I have seen it first hand and I see it all the time. If you dont want to recognise that, thats your problem not this countries.

Let me ask you again what religious denomination do you belong to?

Yet again. you totally refuse to accept that the Call to Prayer at Westminster Abbey was a deliberately provocative act but do
not come back with an innocent alternative as to why they did it.

Incidentally, my religious denomination has absolutely no bearing on my mistrust of Islam. When i see hundreds of Islamic youths attacking EDL extremists yet not one Islamic youth has ever attacked their own extremist Choudary, thats all the evidence i need that there is something deep rooted and wrong in the muslim communities. Or can you give me ONE good reason why Choudary is never attacked

Well I dont know why they chose to pray outside westminster abbey but when you google it you get pages and pages of BNP, NF and EDL pages condemning it so I cant find any view form a muslim perspective so until I do ill reserve judgement.

I dont know why you feel so offended on behalf of the Church of England, im pretty sure they can talk for themselves being the only religious denomination with a political voice in this country also if the dean of westminster wanted to put a protest in he would have.

Ill give you a few good reasons why Choudary isnt attacked same reasons why Catholic communities didnt attack the IRA or protestant communities didnt attack the loyalist movements, because they are scared or what people like Choudary will do to people in the muslim community who stand against them, same way as Catholic communities were scared of what the IRA would do to them. People in this country have very short memories.[/quote]

Naive. You seriously believe that the hundreds of Aggressive Pakistani yoots who attack the EDL and BNP every chance they get are AFRAID of fat Choudary and a handful of followers. Open your eyes lad. Choudary talks about Jihad, and the youth are wrapped up in it. Choudary talks about the evil British Empire on Muslim Soil, and they believe all that too. He has far more support in those Communities than you would care to believe. The evidence is staring you in the face. But your afraid to believe it because you are so brainwashed that you believe anyone raising an eyebrow at the Muslim community MUST be in some way racist. f**k this convo off now. you will never open your eyes. Its a big bad world out there and not all the baddies are skinheads with boots on

how is muslim morning prayers offensive?

are you a member of the church of england?

are you a regular church goer?

how exactly are you offended by a religious ceremony which happens all around the world every day several times a day?

I see you havent answered any of my previous questions

walking past a mosque isnt offensive in itself as neither is practicing prayers

however

Tommy and the EDL walking past a mosque threatening muslims and shouting go to hell paki bastards is offensive

same as if these muslims launched a direct attack on the church of england or westminster abbey that would be offensive

if the EDL marched passed that mosque it would have kicked off you know. I know it, Tommy knew it.

Muslims saying prayers in westminster without incident isnt a crime

Tommy Robinson walking past a mosque isnt a crime. Tommy Robinson walking past a mosque shouting go to hell would
be offensive. But how can you assume thats what he was going to do, than also assume the Muslim call to prayer was innocent. Ironic really, seeing as Muslim protesters carry banners saying "British Police go to hell" and aren't arrested. eh?

Now, once more. Can you think of one innocent reason why the Muslims decided to call a prayer meeting (complete with loudspeakers) right outside the home of the Church of England in Britain. Of course you f*cking can't. your just too bloody
wrapped up in your PC world to admit it was provocative, aggressive and rude. Yet quite happy to put the boot on the other foot and say Robinson is. Oh and ''the Church of England and Islam working together'' .... have you seen how Christians are treated in Iran, Iraq and Pakistan. Forget Saudi, Islams biggest country, seeing as Christianity is BANNED there. Working together eh? Go visit Mecca see how you get on? (oh i forgot, your not Muslim, they wont let you in!)

Sorry but your generalising everything with no real understanding

you may not of liked the muslim protests with 'british police go to hell' but they did stick to the agreed route as set up by the protest group and the police, something the EDL fails to struggle with.

you may not like how muslims conduct their religious ceremonies but they have done this for centuries why should they change, technology changes but the way they practice hasnt

No I dont like the way Christians are treated in Iran, Iraq, Pakistan or Saudi Arabia thankfully I live in a country that allows the free practice of religion something you dont appear to support.

I am saddened that I cant visit Mecca I have visited many religious landmarks and not just of my own religion but of many religions.

Religions may not work together in the countries you mention but they do in this country I have seen it first hand and I see it all the time. If you dont want to recognise that, thats your problem not this countries.

Let me ask you again what religious denomination do you belong to?

Yet again. you totally refuse to accept that the Call to Prayer at Westminster Abbey was a deliberately provocative act but do
not come back with an innocent alternative as to why they did it.

Incidentally, my religious denomination has absolutely no bearing on my mistrust of Islam. When i see hundreds of Islamic youths attacking EDL extremists yet not one Islamic youth has ever attacked their own extremist Choudary, thats all the evidence i need that there is something deep rooted and wrong in the muslim communities. Or can you give me ONE good reason why Choudary is never attacked

Well I dont know why they chose to pray outside westminster abbey but when you google it you get pages and pages of BNP, NF and EDL pages condemning it so I cant find any view form a muslim perspective so until I do ill reserve judgement.

I dont know why you feel so offended on behalf of the Church of England, im pretty sure they can talk for themselves being the only religious denomination with a political voice in this country also if the dean of westminster wanted to put a protest in he would have.

Ill give you a few good reasons why Choudary isnt attacked same reasons why Catholic communities didnt attack the IRA or protestant communities didnt attack the loyalist movements, because they are scared or what people like Choudary will do to people in the muslim community who stand against them, same way as Catholic communities were scared of what the IRA would do to them. People in this country have very short memories.

Naive. You seriously believe that the hundreds of Aggressive Pakistani yoots who attack the EDL and BNP every chance they get are AFRAID of fat Choudary and a handful of followers. Open your eyes lad. Choudary talks about Jihad, and the youth are wrapped up in it. Choudary talks about the evil British Empire on Muslim Soil, and they believe all that too. He has far more support in those Communities than you would care to believe. The evidence is staring you in the face. But your afraid to believe it because you are so brainwashed that you believe anyone raising an eyebrow at the Muslim community MUST be in some way racist. f**k this convo off now. you will never open your eyes. Its a big bad world out there and not all the baddies are skinheads with boots on[/quote]

No mate I think youve listened to far too much propaganda yourself how about you make your own mind up on issues instead of regurgitating everything the BNP and EDL tell you.

What makes you assume every muslim is of pakistani origin?

There have been many muslim leaders who speak against Choudary you conveniently ignore them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXCw9X3vRTs

theres one muslim standing up against Choudary to his face

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BrueU4xd2w

there is another

look at youtube im sure you will find many more

This thread is starting to go in circles.

Why do people think the police do nothing against Muslims? What about the major counter terrorism operation in Birmingham?

I'd put money on it that a lot of Muslims in this country are being closely watched in this country.

The only Muslims being watched are the ones suspected of being terrorists. But Muslims are allowed to march and preach hatred against Britain, as seen in Luton.

Why do people think the police do nothing against Muslims? What about the major counter terrorism operation in Birmingham?

I'd put money on it that a lot of Muslims in this country are being closely watched in this country.

The only Muslims being watched are the ones suspected of being terrorists. But Muslims are allowed to march and preach hatred against Britain, as seen in Luton.

Who are also, more than likely, being closely monitored. Even if they aren't there are a lot of Muslims in this country, it's hard to monitor them all aswell as other potential threats.

Why do people think the police do nothing against Muslims? What about the major counter terrorism operation in Birmingham?

I'd put money on it that a lot of Muslims in this country are being closely watched in this country.

The only Muslims being watched are the ones suspected of being terrorists. But Muslims are allowed to march and preach hatred against Britain, as seen in Luton.

Who are also, more than likely, being closely monitored. Even if they aren't there are a lot of Muslims in this country, it's hard to monitor them all aswell as other potential threats.

Any Muslim preaching hatred again us or our country should be arrested immediately. We would if we preached hatred at Muslims and their religion. Our government is bending over backwards to please these people and it stinks!

First I have agreed with MIMG

this...a total abuse of police power.....she couldnt even tell them why they were being arrested...stinks

Old barnett seeking attension i see, why start another thread on it you already posted in this one a few times a few days ago, which was already SIX pages long Whopper
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=116158&start=60

Why do people think the police do nothing against Muslims? What about the major counter terrorism operation in Birmingham?

I'd put money on it that a lot of Muslims in this country are being closely watched in this country.

The only Muslims being watched are the ones suspected of being terrorists. But Muslims are allowed to march and preach hatred against Britain, as seen in Luton.

Who are also, more than likely, being closely monitored. Even if they aren't there are a lot of Muslims in this country, it's hard to monitor them all aswell as other potential threats.

Any Muslim preaching hatred again us or our country should be arrested immediately. We would if we preached hatred at Muslims and their religion. Our government is bending over backwards to please these people and it stinks!

Agreed, don't like our laws? The door is open.