' BLUEBIRDS UNITE MEETING/ REPORT '

We're not against modern football yet were pictured with a banner with that statement, we won't harm the club but we are organising a march on a high profile game, we want recognition but we are are against the club. And then you wonder why majority of fans suspect your intensions.

Steve, i'd just like to ask you 2 questions and this is not insinuating hostility, just clarity. I for one am happy to accept the rebrand for investment as long as Tan continues to stay true to his word on his pledge.

1) Do you believe Tan can ever be convinced to turn us back to blue at home?

2) Do you believe the only way of returning to blue is by forcing Tan out?

^ I'd like to point out I dont want that to happen as already stated and this is just hypothetical. Is he a man you believe can be convinced by the fans. I cant see it personally.[/quote


I don't believe we will ever play in blue at home under tan because the colour red is far to important to him and he thinks being red will be easier to promote us and attract further investors and sponsors from Malaysia and china.
In regards to question two how on earth is driving tan out an option. People seem to think that now we are in the premier league we are in a strong position to force him out. Can't see that myself and would love to hear an explanation as to what happens to the club if he did walk away

I don't believe we will ever play in blue at home under tan because the colour red is far to important to him and he thinks being red will be easier to promote us and attract further investors and sponsors from Malaysia and china.

Agreed.

In regards to question two how on earth is driving tan out an option. People seem to think that now we are in the premier league we are in a strong position to force him out. Can't see that myself and would love to hear an explanation as to what happens to the club if he did walk away

Of course it is. Take admin, etc. etc. and the consequences of that. I dont want it but its there. It comes with many negatives but its still an option. You go to a cliff edge you can either walk back away from the edge or jump off. Jumping off has more severe consequences but its still a choice, albeit a potentially lethal one.

Nowhere did I suggest we are in a strong position to drive him out. I just asked a question. The questions point was nothing to do with that as an option but more to see if Steve believed that was the only way returning to blue would be possible, hence the term hypothetical.

Borley rushed back to answer your questions barnett

We're not against modern football yet were pictured with a banner with that statement, we won't harm the club but we are organising a march on a high profile game, we want recognition but we are are against the club. And then you wonder why majority of fans suspect your intensions.

Steve,

Regarding the one small flag that was put up, its already been stated by Sian that its not what Bluebirds Unite stand for and she reiterated that in future please no one bring any banners/flags with this on. No one knew that out the blue someone had put it up, the person has apologised, but you cant stop the odd person out of hundreds saying how they personally feel, but that is 100% not what the group is about.

How is a peaceful march against the disgusting/vile rebrand of our identity going to harm our club? I rem you saying the same before I did it against Ridsdale, but later admitted I did no harm to the club. We went straight in the ground and cheeered our team on and went on to beat Boro 1 nil, in fact when we all went in the ground the atmosphere lifted, even the Football League show backed it.
By choosing a high profile game,it will of course let the world out there know that a lot of fans do want our identity back.

We are not against our club, we want our club to remember their identity and let them know that fans want it back.


Steve, Be honest, what do you think of this below, does this look like Cardiff City? its in our club main windows.

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We're not against modern football yet were pictured with a banner with that statement, we won't harm the club but we are organising a march on a high profile game, we want recognition but we are are against the club. And then you wonder why majority of fans suspect your intensions.

Steve,

Regarding the one small flag that was put up, its already been stated by Sian that its not what Bluebirds Unite stand for and she reiterated that in future please no one bring any banners/flags with this on. No one knew that out the blue someone had put it up, the person has apologised, but you cant stop the odd person out of hundreds saying how they personally feel, but that is 100% not what the group is about.

How is a peaceful march against the disgusting/vile rebrand of our identity going to harm our club? I rem you saying the same before I did it against Ridsdale, but later admitted I did no harm to the club. We went straight in the ground and cheeered our team on and went on to beat Boro 1 nil, in fact when we all went in the ground the atmosphere lifted, even the Football League show backed it.
By choosing a high profile game,it will of course let the world out there know that a lot of fans do want our identity back.

We are not against our club, we want our club to remember their identity and let them know that fans want it back.


Steve, Be honest, what do you think of this below, does this look like Cardiff City? its in our club main windows.

Tan walking away cos the fans are rude scenareo. a protest march on the media on a big match day wuld be exactly that to him. rude. cos it wuld embarass him. he wuld feel people are having a bit of a sniger behind his back. guess what Vincenzo, thats exactly what we feel like right now and fans across britain call us weak bend over sell out plastics. facts are the only plastic sell-outs are the ones slaging of BU. dont suport it? up to the individual. but only a ''premiership fan'' wuld slag it off

Annis, the image of of the cause diminishes every time you make that gaff, and that is a small one compared to being associated and photographed with known people with banning orders and every event is associated with drinking. You don't see shareholders in an AGM with cans and pints . I noticed the guy in the front had his pint photoshopped out, could have done the same with a few faces.
In terms of protests they are rarely peaceful because they will get hijacked by people wanting to make a name for themselves and stating the obvious if you are seen to be transporting people to away games to cause trouble don't surprised if the ticket supply drys up. Wearing blue to games is not a problem and makes your case without harming the club which is my primary concern.
VT has stated his plan and backed it with his cash and I don't see him changing. Without his support we would not even have a chance to survive in the PL, remember Swansea had to sell 2 players and a manager for 25 mill to post a profit, we have enormous costs this close season to upgrade the facilities and hopefully pay off your mate, before we even look at the playing budget.
We have come too far to see this club slide back which some want to promote, but once you get on that slide it difficult to get off on the path to oblivion.

We're not against modern football yet were pictured with a banner with that statement, we won't harm the club but we are organising a march on a high profile game, we want recognition but we are are against the club. And then you wonder why majority of fans suspect your intensions.

Steve, if a person brings a banner to an event, it does not mean it's endorsed by the club organisers... Pretty simple to understand, isn't it?

Please tell me how a march BEFORE the game & OUTSIDE of the stadium would affect the players who won't actually see any of it?

Not against the club... They are all supporters of the club. What they are against is this god awful & farcical rebrand of CCFC.

Of course it is. Take admin, etc. etc. and the consequences of that. I dont want it but its there. It comes with many negatives but its still an option. You go to a cliff edge you can either walk back away from the edge or jump off. Jumping off has more severe consequences but its still a choice, albeit a potentially lethal one.

Nowhere did I suggest we are in a strong position to drive him out. I just asked a question. The questions point was nothing to do with that as an option but more to see if Steve believed that was the only way returning to blue would be possible, hence the term hypothetical.

"If I leave, I would leave the club in good hands."

Or... Don't you believe him?

Wearing blue to games is not a problem

This i have to agree with and is the most powerfull in terms of getting the message across

I'd love to know how much the club make Tan aware of these things... Or is he still under the impression that we all love & embrace the red.

My goodness - Good morning guys I have to be honest I have not read every comment in full.
I find some of it quite depressing.

Not meaning to offend anybody but getting a little bored off being slated.

To reiterate - The comment about my butcher was placed in my group (Not quite sure what a certain person is on about with the Echo - But get your facts straight before posting please) and was not meant for consumption outside of a closed group. It was a story meant for empathy with our members and the scrutiny we face every day from some people.

It has been explained to the group, that whilst they can comment on what we talk about they must not re post any members comments unless the group ask them to. Reason being is this: Every Bluebirds Unite member has the right to voice their opinions, (provided they are not offensive)the group is like a melting pot and not everybody’s view including my own- may be the best way forward.
That is the point of a committee to then decide what BLUEBIRDS UNITE's official line / view will be.

Any official statements are then BU's statements given for the wider outside audience.

The Against Modern Football - Is something that some members may feel is important but that has never been made as a group statement.

We will continue with Bluebirds Unite - weather everybody agrees with what we are doing or not........................

For many of us accepting the loss of History = Pride = Identity is simply NOT an option and NEVER will be.

I do not expect people who have accepted Tans rebrand to agree, that is fine bcos we will never accept your point of view on things - Joy of living in a democratic society.

Thank you to all those people prepared to show us support, we try our best to listen to all members and would welcome anybody new who believes - Cardiff City Bluebirds (History- Pride-Identity) is worth fighting to retain. You only have to look at the pictures from the club shops window last night to see how far they are going to phase out any sign of who we are.
We are due to enter into CCFC most exciting era – to be played out on the wortld stage and quite frankly we are an unrecognisable laughing stock.
I wish that people had stood up and stopped this in the very beginning but they never, it has been left to BU to gather people and make a stand before it really is too late.
We will not be joining the CCST- any member wanting the same thing is welcome to join us though.
The trust had a plateau, that could have been used and wasn’t we had to create our own group and will be sticking with that – thank you.
It was put to us that if 2000 BU members joined the Trust we would have 3,000 members, why would we take our 2 and add it to your 1.
We have nearly 3,000 members on FB as it stands and a further 1,000 on Twitter.
I may not be able to answer your next comments as I’ll be in a conference call for the next hour or so.
No malice intended just trying to respond as best I can.

We will be fully registered within asap

Many thanks

Sian Branson (Not hiding behind any alias this is me

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We're not against modern football yet were pictured with a banner with that statement, we won't harm the club but we are organising a march on a high profile game, we want recognition but we are are against the club. And then you wonder why majority of fans suspect your intensions.

Steve, if a person brings a banner to an event, it does not mean it's endorsed by the club organisers... Pretty simple to understand, isn't it?

Please tell me how a march BEFORE the game & OUTSIDE of the stadium would affect the players who won't actually see any of it?

Not against the club... They are all supporters of the club. What they are against is this god awful & farcical rebrand of CCFC.

Chucks there are under 20 people in that picture, knowing it was going in the paper wouldn't you think that someone could of stopped that flag being in it.

We're not against modern football yet were pictured with a banner with that statement, we won't harm the club but we are organising a march on a high profile game, we want recognition but we are are against the club. And then you wonder why majority of fans suspect your intensions.

What was clear from the BU meeting was the passion and love for the Club, Cardiff City, the Bluebirds.
I felt extremely proud to be there and the intentions of the group, made clear by Sian, is to promote the Blue and get it back for our home games.
Tan himself, would be perceived as a God if he made a U-Turn (and sorted the beermat out)

I kind of feel that you also want the Blue back Steve but you have a job to do and unlikely to oppose to anything Tan does/says.


If a democratic vote was done to see if the fans/customers, or however you call us these days, to choose whether to wear Blue or Red at home, it doesn't take a genius to work out the clear winner.

Yes, but maybe they didn't even realise it was in there.

Going by Steve's flawed logic - anyone who takes a flag to a CCFC game that bears a message, is actively endorsed by the club.

When we know that's not true...

Steve Borley = Man of truth

Waste of time. Tan dont care. He'll do what he wants. If you're going to try and force him out and take the consequences then fair enough, at least you're honest. It seems Bluebirds Unite want Tan to stay and see sense and turn us back to blue.

More chance of our emblem becoming a unicorn, God granting us £100bn in financial backing and Saddam Hussein becoming our next manager.

Tans sense isn't the same as Bluebirds Unite sense. There's the major conflict. One has to go. Simple as that. There is no coalition option of working together for all as the views are too wide apart.

It would be lovely if Tan stayed and supported Cardiff City Bluebirds

We want our Identity back - Simple as we are not shouting Tan out - Thats really up to him.

The whole thing is a great shame in my opinion.

Yes, but maybe they didn't even realise it was in there.

Going by Steve's flawed logic - anyone who takes a flag to a CCFC game that bears a message, is actively endorsed by the club.

When we know that's not true...

But we are not talking about a game this time, there were under 20 people in the picture it was going in the paper, it should never of been there. It's easy to say after the event they don't endorse it "i'm sure they don't" but it was there

We're not against modern football yet were pictured with a banner with that statement, we won't harm the club but we are organising a march on a high profile game, we want recognition but we are are against the club. And then you wonder why majority of fans suspect your intensions.

Steve, if a person brings a banner to an event, it does not mean it's endorsed by the club organisers... Pretty simple to understand, isn't it?

Please tell me how a march BEFORE the game & OUTSIDE of the stadium would affect the players who won't actually see any of it?

Not against the club... They are all supporters of the club. What they are against is this god awful & farcical rebrand of CCFC.

Chucks there are under 20 people in that picture, knowing it was going in the paper wouldn't you think that someone could of stopped that flag being in it.

The person who picked the flag up has appologised not that they should need to -Its an A3 sized flag

Taking your comments on board - I will personally vet every picture in future thank you

Steve Borley = Man of truth

Man of truth yet he is not speaking what he thinks just to protect his job?

Yes, but maybe they didn't even realise it was in there.

Going by Steve's flawed logic - anyone who takes a flag to a CCFC game that bears a message, is actively endorsed by the club.

When we know that's not true...

But we are not talking about a game this time, there were under 20 people in the picture it was going in the paper, it should never of been there. It's easy to say after the event they don't endorse it "i'm sure they don't" but it was there

A person went to an event with a flag daubed with a slogan.. STEVE's twisted logic would mean should I turn up to a game with a slogan daubed on it, that it automatically reflects the official view of the group/organisation.

Yes, but maybe they didn't even realise it was in there.

Going by Steve's flawed logic - anyone who takes a flag to a CCFC game that bears a message, is actively endorsed by the club.

When we know that's not true...

But we are not talking about a game this time, there were under 20 people in the picture it was going in the paper, it should never of been there. It's easy to say after the event they don't endorse it "i'm sure they don't" but it was there

A person went to an event with a flag daubed with a slogan.. STEVE's twisted logic would mean should I turn up to a game with a slogan daubed on it, that it automatically reflects the official view of the group/organisation.

I'm on about a very small number in a picture that is going to press, should of been sorted

Yes, but maybe they didn't even realise it was in there.

Going by Steve's flawed logic - anyone who takes a flag to a CCFC game that bears a message, is actively endorsed by the club.

When we know that's not true...

But we are not talking about a game this time, there were under 20 people in the picture it was going in the paper, it should never of been there. It's easy to say after the event they don't endorse it "i'm sure they don't" but it was there

A person went to an event with a flag daubed with a slogan.. STEVE's twisted logic would mean should I turn up to a game with a slogan daubed on it, that it automatically reflects the official view of the group/organisation.

Lots of thing should have been sorted - Like not allowing our identity to be replaced with somebody elses vision a flag is the least of our worries

I'm on about a very small number in a picture that is going to press, should of been sorted

Yes, but maybe they didn't even realise it was in there.

Going by Steve's flawed logic - anyone who takes a flag to a CCFC game that bears a message, is actively endorsed by the club.

When we know that's not true...

But we are not talking about a game this time, there were under 20 people in the picture it was going in the paper, it should never of been there. It's easy to say after the event they don't endorse it "i'm sure they don't" but it was there

A person went to an event with a flag daubed with a slogan.. STEVE's twisted logic would mean should I turn up to a game with a slogan daubed on it, that it automatically reflects the official view of the group/organisation.

I'm on about a very small number in a picture that is going to press, should of been sorted

Should have been yes, but Steve's logic is wholly incorrect.

We're not against modern football yet were pictured with a banner with that statement, we won't harm the club but we are organising a march on a high profile game, we want recognition but we are are against the club. And then you wonder why majority of fans suspect your intensions.

there you go Steve. replace the word ''recognition'' with ''respect'' and you'll have hit the nail on the head. The debacle over the shorts ended up as yet another slap in the face when blue shorts and socks werent an option. whats wrong with dialogue whats wrong with compramise? Tan wants red? triffic, hes put millions and millions in hes entitled to change things a bit if he likes
but why not a red shirt and leave it there. the reason everyone is so f*cking pised off is because we are being IGNORED. the club promised consultation with fans it hasnt happened. Tan talks about ''people being rude'' that works both ways. Against Modern Football banner should not have been there. The question why was it there has been answered by Sian. How about some answers from the Club or is it no longer a two way street? Blue shorts and socks at home would END the protests. BU arent stupid we know the red shirt aint going. if you can come up with a viable reason as to why NO BLUE at home then im all ears

Again - Shoulda - Woulda - Coulda's are no good......

We shoulda stood up a year ago - We never
We woulda probably stopped the rebrand from happening - We never
We could decide to put up with what we have- We wont

We are stuck with the current situation , we either lie down and take it or we stand up for our club.

It is important for a lot of us to at least be able to say we tried, and we can hold our heads up and say we didnt like it - But did try to do something about it - Can you say that?

Absolute rubbish Borley. For you to dig at the fans who kept the club going back in the day is a low blow. And what has drinking got to do with anything, people in pub drinking shocker! Surprised that didn't make the echo front page! Let's not mention the kids and families who enjoyed both meetings, let's focus on the negative.

You've turned into nothing more than a puppet for Tan, I thought you had more about you than that. Shame.

Again - Shoulda - Woulda - Coulda's are no good......

We shoulda stood up a year ago - We never
We woulda probably stopped the rebrand from happening - We never
We could decide to put up with what we have- We wont

We are stuck with the current situation , we either lie down and take it or we stand up for our club.

It is important for a lot of us to at least be able to say we tried, and we can hold our heads up and say we didnt like it - But did try to do something about it - Can you say that?

We're trying! exactly!!

Absolute rubbish Borley. For you to dig at the fans who kept the club going back in the day is a low blow. And what has drinking got to do with anything, people in pub drinking shocker! Surprised that didn't make the echo front page! Let's not mention the kids and families who enjoyed both meetings, let's focus on the negative.

You've turned into nothing more than a puppet for Tan, I thought you had more about you than that. Shame.

I think you will find hes not the only puppet down there simon its like a punch and judy show down there all controlled by tan without any say in anything that goes on imo

Steve Borley = Man of truth

Man of truth yet he is not speaking what he thinks just to protect his job?

Track record suggests he is CCFC through and through. Maybe he is protecting the club? If Tan walks we will be back to the bad old days. Steve knows things none of us are privy to. Given that and his love for the club, his opinion is well worth listening to.

Yes, but maybe they didn't even realise it was in there.

Going by Steve's flawed logic - anyone who takes a flag to a CCFC game that bears a message, is actively endorsed by the club.

When we know that's not true...

But we are not talking about a game this time, there were under 20 people in the picture it was going in the paper, it should never of been there. It's easy to say after the event they don't endorse it "i'm sure they don't" but it was there

A person went to an event with a flag daubed with a slogan.. STEVE's twisted logic would mean should I turn up to a game with a slogan daubed on it, that it automatically reflects the official view of the group/organisation.

But they took press photos with the flag in the background, a major own goal.