VINCENT TANS LUCKY RED QUOTE

Jon, I agree that no one (certainly not amongst us) appear to know but I cannot believe he doesn't have one at all and (given that I assume he has one) then he must believe in his own mind that it is the best option

I genuinely cannot believe that Tan would have taken such a huge step unless he believes what he is doing is best for the business. He won't have done it 'just to piss us off' as that would have no value at all

I may be wrong but it is why I am prepared to give him time to prove/disprove

I believe the rebrand was just down to selfish reasons and personal preference of his.

Unless he genuinely believes that the rebrand will make the club more attractive to the Far East market in a way which will make some sort of impact on the club. But that will never happen anyway unless we are successful on the pitch, and even if we were, it would have nothing to do with the rebrand! Of course you can include the fact that he invested millions in exchange, but we could've achieved everything we have achieved without the changes. This is why I think it's stupid.

Jon, I agree that no one (certainly not amongst us) appear to know but I cannot believe he doesn't have one at all and (given that I assume he has one) then he must believe in his own mind that it is the best option

I genuinely cannot believe that Tan would have taken such a huge step unless he believes what he is doing is best for the business. He won't have done it 'just to piss us off' as that would have no value at all

I may be wrong but it is why I am prepared to give him time to prove/disprove

I believe the rebrand was just down to selfish reasons and personal preference of his.

Unless he genuinely believes that the rebrand will make the club more attractive to the Far East market in a way which will make some sort of impact on the club. But that will never happen anyway unless we are successful on the pitch, and even if we were, it would have nothing to do with the rebrand! Of course you can include the fact that he invested millions in exchange, but we could've achieved everything we have achieved without the changes. This is why I think it's stupid.

Jon, I appreciate your points and I suppose we'll never really know whether we WOULD or WOULD NOT have been successful without the changes, so that is a matter of personal opinion

I'll still think that the very fact that he invested the money into the club at the time he did gives him a certain 'blank canvas' to work with and (for now at least) we need to go along with his 'vision' until we are (a) established enough in the Premier League to attract serious new investors, and/or (a) he 'plan' fails which would be a disaster of biblical proportions for Cardiff as a club and as a city

I'm sure none of us wants the latter and the former WILL come eventually, as 'owners' have done before

Yes. I've seen enough interviews with Tan to know that he's that stupid.

Let us know when you become a billionaire.

Why's that? I just answered a question.

You called the man 'stupid'. No stupid business becomes a billionaire. You obviously know better so let us know...!

Yes. I've seen enough interviews with Tan to know that he's that stupid.

Let us know when you become a billionaire.

Why's that? I just answered a question.

You called the man 'stupid'. No stupid business becomes a billionaire. You obviously know better so let us know...!

I'm calling him stupid for his beliefs. Learn to read.

Yes. I've seen enough interviews with Tan to know that he's that stupid.

Let us know when you become a billionaire.

Why's that? I just answered a question.

You called the man 'stupid'. No stupid business becomes a billionaire. You obviously know better so let us know...!

I'm calling him stupid for his beliefs. Learn to read.

That is just it they are his beliefs, calling him stupid for something he beliefs in . He is from a diff culture, can you not take that on board

Yes he think its lucky but he isn't dull enough to think its all about luck, it's obviously business related imo

The rebrand has done nothing business related other than cause a lot of controversy and attention from fans and the media.

The "other than" bit you mention though is pretty big ain't it.

Yes. I've seen enough interviews with Tan to know that he's that stupid.

Stupid in what way running a business?? If you think Tan is stupid in that way then there's no hope for you

I've seen this attitude before, Do you think that because a man is rich he is incapable of extreme stupidity?

Also in an undemocratic country like Malaysia wealth is accrued over a number of ways and it's not always the cream rising to the top.

Yes. I've seen enough interviews with Tan to know that he's that stupid.

Stupid in what way running a business?? If you think Tan is stupid in that way then there's no hope for you

I've seen this attitude before, Do you think that because a man is rich he is incapable of extreme stupidity?

Also in an undemocratic country like Malaysia wealth is accrued over a number of ways and it's not always the cream rising to the top.

Malaysia is a democratic country and they have just had their 13th general election (5 May) since gaining independence from Britain. As it happens VT's mate Prime Minister Najib Razak was returned to power, all be it with the worst showing in 50 years.

This was despite a Social Programme which included $2.6 billion worth of hand outs to the poor and extensive unity campaigns which included the 1Malaysia Cardiff City project.

However, the return of Najib Razak could be very good news for VT. The ethnic Chinese have deserted the ruling UMNO party in droves and voted for opposition parties. UMNO have to be seen as doing something for the 25% Chinese population with better opportunities in business, education and housing.

One of the first things that could be done is returning VT's betting licence and allowing the Chinese community the freedom to gamble.

Yes. I've seen enough interviews with Tan to know that he's that stupid.

Stupid in what way running a business?? If you think Tan is stupid in that way then there's no hope for you

I've seen this attitude before, Do you think that because a man is rich he is incapable of extreme stupidity?

Also in an undemocratic country like Malaysia wealth is accrued over a number of ways and it's not always the cream rising to the top.

Malaysia is a democratic country and they have just had their 13th general election (5 May) since gaining independence from Britain. As it happens VT's mate Prime Minister Najib Razak was returned to power, all be it with the worst showing in 50 years.

This was despite a Social Programme which included $2.6 billion worth of hand outs to the poor and extensive unity campaigns which included the 1Malaysia Cardiff City project.

However, the return of Najib Razak could be very good news for VT. The ethnic Chinese have deserted the ruling UMNO party in droves and voted for opposition parties. UMNO have to be seen as doing something for the 25% Chinese population with better opportunities in business, education and housing.

One of the first things that could be done is returning VT's betting licence and allowing the Chinese community the freedom to gamble.

Tony you got to much time on your hands

Yes. I've seen enough interviews with Tan to know that he's that stupid.

Stupid in what way running a business?? If you think Tan is stupid in that way then there's no hope for you

I've seen this attitude before, Do you think that because a man is rich he is incapable of extreme stupidity?

Also in an undemocratic country like Malaysia wealth is accrued over a number of ways and it's not always the cream rising to the top.

Malaysia is a democratic country and they have just had their 13th general election (5 May) since gaining independence from Britain. As it happens VT's mate Prime Minister Najib Razak was returned to power, all be it with the worst showing in 50 years.

This was despite a Social Programme which included $2.6 billion worth of hand outs to the poor and extensive unity campaigns which included the 1Malaysia Cardiff City project.

However, the return of Najib Razak could be very good news for VT. The ethnic Chinese have deserted the ruling UMNO party in droves and voted for opposition parties. UMNO have to be seen as doing something for the 25% Chinese population with better opportunities in business, education and housing.

One of the first things that could be done is returning VT's betting licence and allowing the Chinese community the freedom to gamble.

Well Tony, there is democracy then theres DEMOCRACY
I seen pro-reds got to some extreme lengths to justify Tans act, but heralding malaysia as a Democracy as we'd know it. well........Corru[pt as f**k is the term i'd use. but here are others views

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The country is especially well known for arresting persons without warrants and detaining them indefinitely without trial, and for placing strict limitations on freedom of speech, press, assembly, and association in the name of social order. Among the other problems cited in a US State Department report in 2011 are the abuse and even death of persons held by police; punishment by caning; trafficking in persons; systematic official prejudice in favour of ethnic Malays; forced labour by migrant workers and others; and child labour on plantations.[3]

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yes

No, its all about increasing our appeal to his target investors

Yes. I've seen enough interviews with Tan to know that he's that stupid.

Let us know when you become a billionaire.

Why's that? I just answered a question.

You called the man 'stupid'. No stupid business becomes a billionaire. You obviously know better so let us know...!

I'm calling him stupid for his beliefs. Learn to read.

That is just it they are his beliefs, calling him stupid for something he beliefs in . He is from a diff culture, can you not take that on board

Yes but to force it upon our club is highly disrespectful, so why should I respect him?

Yes he think its lucky but he isn't dull enough to think its all about luck, it's obviously business related imo

The rebrand has done nothing business related other than cause a lot of controversy and attention from fans and the media.

The "other than" bit you mention though is pretty big ain't it.

Hardly gains anything major though from the business side of things.

As it happens VT's mate Prime Minister Najib Razak was returned to power

Oh dear