Tan the killjoy

People wear the red because they're supporting the team... Who at the moment wear red...

New fans... Old fans ..... All wearing red and waving there free scarfs,Supporting the team..

That's not to difficult to understand,nor is it different from any supporter who stands in Blue... Because they are also supporting the team.

I agree , I wont have a go at anyone wearing red but I will argue my point of view that the re brand was pointless and he still could of invested and got us up in blue(nothing to do with luck) .

People wear the red because they're supporting the team... Who at the moment wear red...

New fans... Old fans ..... All wearing red and waving there free scarfs,Supporting the team..

That's not to difficult to understand,nor is it different from any supporter who stands in Blue... Because they are also supporting the team.

I agree , I wont have a go at anyone wearing red but I will argue my point of view that the re brand was pointless and he still could of invested and got us up in blue(nothing to do with luck) .

Darran, my whole point is we'll never really know which side was right BUT so far (from a Tan investment point of view) I think it is difficult to argue with the FACT that we have been hugely successful in footballing terms

What happens next will be a whole new chapter in the book...and THAT will eventually prove whether Tan was right or wrong. Until then, it is really just conjecture

Darren your point is irrelevant because if we stayed blue we WOULDN'T have had the investment, that's what the rebrand and turning red was for remember investment for players etc? Wake up at the back

Darren your point is irrelevant because if we stayed blue we WOULDN'T have had the investment, that's what the rebrand and turning red was for remember investment for players etc? Wake up at the back

It would APPEAR that way, cakey, and personally I find it hard not to believe that to be the case. However, we simply will never know what might have happened if we had stayed blue

Ultimately, Tan decided it was in the club's financial interests and I cannot believe he would have done it for any other reason (certainly not 'just to piss the fan off' as some would appear to think ) and only time will tell on that one

Darren your point is irrelevant because if we stayed blue we WOULDN'T have had the investment, that's what the rebrand and turning red was for remember investment for players etc? Wake up at the back

It would APPEAR that way, cakey, and personally I find it hard not to believe that to be the case. However, we simply will never know what might have happened if we had stayed blue

Ultimately, Tan decided it was in the club's financial interests and I cannot believe he would have done it for any other reason (certainly not 'just to piss the fan off' as some would appear to think ) and only time will tell on that one

Exactly and the fans that think he just done it because he thinks its lucky red etc are thick as f**k, sorry to be blunt but that's the truth

Darren your point is irrelevant because if we stayed blue we WOULDN'T have had the investment, that's what the rebrand and turning red was for remember investment for players etc? Wake up at the back

It would APPEAR that way, cakey, and personally I find it hard not to believe that to be the case. However, we simply will never know what might have happened if we had stayed blue

Ultimately, Tan decided it was in the club's financial interests and I cannot believe he would have done it for any other reason (certainly not 'just to piss the fan off' as some would appear to think ) and only time will tell on that one

Exactly and the fans that think he just done it because he thinks its lucky red etc are thick as f**k, sorry to be blunt but that's the truth

Fans that think the rebrand was needed are thick as pig shit

Darren your point is irrelevant because if we stayed blue we WOULDN'T have had the investment, that's what the rebrand and turning red was for remember investment for players etc? Wake up at the back

It would APPEAR that way, cakey, and personally I find it hard not to believe that to be the case. However, we simply will never know what might have happened if we had stayed blue

Ultimately, Tan decided it was in the club's financial interests and I cannot believe he would have done it for any other reason (certainly not 'just to piss the fan off' as some would appear to think ) and only time will tell on that one

Exactly and the fans that think he just done it because he thinks its lucky red etc are thick as f**k, sorry to be blunt but that's the truth

Fans that think the rebrand was needed are thick as pig shit

Once again we were in mountains of debt and without tans proposed deal for the investment and rebrand he would have walked away therefore we would have gone into liquidation and been fucked, so we didnt really have any other option apart from rolling with the rebrand and keeping the club afloat, once again keep up at the back Darren if you can't understand that your thick as pig shite

Proof that we would be closed down if we didn't take Tan's rebrand? Sure, we would have struggled.. Nobody can say for sure what exactly would have happened though.

Tan was never going to let the club die though, he had already invested money into it..

In real terms, Tan has only invested a few million more than he had done at the time the re-brand was announced, and he now has more assets to sell if he so desires.

Nothing has changed. In my opinion (& thats all it is )Tan was never going to pull the plug and walk away. If he's in too deep now, then he was already in too deep during the summer. For me, All the bollocks about him walking away was nothing more than scaremongering. And it worked a f*cking treat.

Just my opinion.

Darren your point is irrelevant because if we stayed blue we WOULDN'T have had the investment, that's what the rebrand and turning red was for remember investment for players etc? Wake up at the back

you still wont answer my question properly ,I know he wouldn't invest because we were blue he said we haven't ever won anything in blue , he said himself red is lucky and that's why he invested , the 1st thing he said when we got promoted was "lucky red " on sky. He thinks its nothing to do with the players as do you by the sound of it.

Simple question , would this team have got promoted in blue as their home kit if we had the same team,my point is not mute as , my point is we would of got promoted in blue ,red ,pink, green or whatever,with the same group of players . Or are you going to deny it again

Darren your point is irrelevant because if we stayed blue we WOULDN'T have had the investment, that's what the rebrand and turning red was for remember investment for players etc? Wake up at the back

It would APPEAR that way, cakey, and personally I find it hard not to believe that to be the case. However, we simply will never know what might have happened if we had stayed blue

Ultimately, Tan decided it was in the club's financial interests and I cannot believe he would have done it for any other reason (certainly not 'just to piss the fan off' as some would appear to think ) and only time will tell on that one

Exactly and the fans that think he just done it because he thinks its lucky red etc are thick as f**k, sorry to be blunt but that's the truth

Fans that think the rebrand was needed are thick as pig shit

Once again we were in mountains of debt and without tans proposed deal for the investment and rebrand he would have walked away therefore we would have gone into liquidation and been fucked, so we didnt really have any other option apart from rolling with the rebrand and keeping the club afloat, once again keep up at the back Darren if you can't understand that your thick as pig shite

if you really think Tan would of walked away after already investing 40m because he couldn't have red then your deluded

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Darren your point is irrelevant because if we stayed blue we WOULDN'T have had the investment, that's what the rebrand and turning red was for remember investment for players etc? Wake up at the back

It would APPEAR that way, cakey, and personally I find it hard not to believe that to be the case. However, we simply will never know what might have happened if we had stayed blue

Ultimately, Tan decided it was in the club's financial interests and I cannot believe he would have done it for any other reason (certainly not 'just to piss the fan off' as some would appear to think ) and only time will tell on that one

Exactly and the fans that think he just done it because he thinks its lucky red etc are thick as f**k, sorry to be blunt but that's the truth

Fans that think the rebrand was needed are thick as pig shit

Once again we were in mountains of debt and without tans proposed deal for the investment and rebrand he would have walked away therefore we would have gone into liquidation and been fucked, so we didnt really have any other option apart from rolling with the rebrand and keeping the club afloat, once again keep up at the back Darren if you can't understand that your thick as pig shite

if you really think Tan would of walked away after already investing 40m because he couldn't have red then your deluded

Darran, a bit OTT in the tone from cakey_87 there but you need to understand that Tan is nothing if not someone who is in business to win. The simple fact is that he didn't want to come on board in the first place but saw an opportunity to raise his own profile and, like all top businessmen, he wants to do it on his terms

Since 'coming on board' he has enjoyed it far more than he expected (granted he could have enjoyed it more if he had liaised with the indigenous fans) and wants to see how far he can go with the project

To do that, he will do it "any way he sees financially fit" and unfortunately that includes a move to red. It's a shame but that is how it is for a man who has put so much money and time into nurturing the 'new' Cardiff City FC

He has IMHO not stripped us of our identity or our history but he has instead started a new successful chapter and to believe that he definitely would not have 'pulled the plug' on the major spending he has done this season whilst he worked out an escape strategy is naïve

What would YOU do if you were big spending money on a project you weren't originally 'in to' and then someone told you couldn't do it this way or that way?


Like me, you'd probably dig your heels in and show them who is boss, eh?

Darren your point is irrelevant because if we stayed blue we WOULDN'T have had the investment, that's what the rebrand and turning red was for remember investment for players etc? Wake up at the back

It would APPEAR that way, cakey, and personally I find it hard not to believe that to be the case. However, we simply will never know what might have happened if we had stayed blue

Ultimately, Tan decided it was in the club's financial interests and I cannot believe he would have done it for any other reason (certainly not 'just to piss the fan off' as some would appear to think ) and only time will tell on that one

Exactly and the fans that think he just done it because he thinks its lucky red etc are thick as f**k, sorry to be blunt but that's the truth

if you really think Tan would of walked away after already investing 40m because he couldn't have red then your deluded

Darran, a bit OTT in the tone from cakey_87 there but you need to understand that Tan is nothing if not someone who is in business to win. The simple fact is that he didn't want to come on board in the first place but saw an opportunity to raise his own profile and, like all top businessmen, he wants to do it on his terms

Since 'coming on board' he has enjoyed it far more than he expected (granted he could have enjoyed it more if he had liaised with the indigenous fans) and wants to see how far he can go with the project

To do that, he will do it "any way he sees financially fit" and unfortunately that includes a move to red. It's a shame but that is how it is for a man who has put so much money and time into nurturing the 'new' Cardiff City FC

He has IMHO not stripped us of our identity or our history but he has instead started a new successful chapter and to believe that he definitely would not have 'pulled the plug' on the major spending he has done this season whilst he worked out an escape strategy is naïve

What would YOU do if you were big spending money on a project you weren't originally 'in to' and then someone told you couldn't do it this way or that way?


Like me, you'd probably dig your heels in and show them who is boss, eh?

I can see what your saying ,but I don't agree with what he has done ,football is not like any other business. If your not happy with a shop say , you just don't go there again and can always get what you want at a different shop , with football its completely different , a football club belongs to the fans we only have 1 club we don't suddenly pick another club if we don't like what we see on the pitch. We have wore a blue kit for over 100 years and had highs and lows wearing it (its what fans expect ),this is why it hurts that he has changed our kit ,he has said himself blue is unlucky and red is lucky,(hence why he doesn't like us wearing blue away )fans we always want to win but sometimes it doesn't work like that ,that's football ,its why we love the game so much.
Before Tan come if we ever got relegated we wouldn't suddenly blame the kit and say lets change the kit to get promoted this year, we blame the players and manager for relegations and praise them for promotions . Not blame a colour of our kit like Tan has, this is why it really annoys me if he invested still with these players and wore blue we still would of been promoted not because the change of our strip.
I will never except the red as our home kit never , I will always want us back in blue

This thread is full of so many preschool KCB divs it's unreal. Football is a business and business is all about marketing, branding and selling yourself to a global market. Why are WHU moving to the Olympic Stadium? Why do Liverpool want more seats or to move? These are clubs with far more history than us at internationally recognised grounds. Why did Arsenal move and change their badge? Why have clubs changes their kit colours? Change happens because business evolves to keep up with modern trends and to survive a business needs to adapt. We weren't surviving, we were dying a little bit more every month until Tan came along. What gives other clubs or fans the right to say what change is acceptable and what isn't? When did they suddenly become the personified moral compass of business ethics in football? Any fan who moans or slates us for the rebrand and still goes to games is an absolute moron. Accept football for what it is, a modern business profit oriented sport or move on. Long gone are the days the working class man flooded terraces. If you buy Sky and you hate the rebrand then you are an idiot. You're actively funding part of the problem and no different from a government funding Syria with weapons and then moaning that a frigging war has broke out.

Fed up of this hypothetical moral compass of bullshit people come out with 'stadium changes are ok but kit colour not'.

SAYS WHO? WHAT PEARL OF FOOTBALL KNOWLEDGE CAME UP WITH THAT RULE?

The Premier League is here. If you are going to moan about it then do us all a favour, go to your meetings, invite people along, talk directly with the clubs representatives in a professional capacity but please for the love of God stop preaching us your holier than thou identity and tradition bullshit. It's getting very tiresome and equivalent of any minority group trying to radicalise others. You don't make the rules and to tell us to just go support Man Utd because we don't fit your ideology for how the club should be is pathetic. I think that one suggestion sums up the mentality of our fans itself. How other fans feel don't matter, how the local people are benefitting from the club don't matter, how the disabled and women in sport are benefiting dont matter as long as we get our precious club back in blue.

I'd love the club to be back in blue I really would but not at the stupid cost some people want it at - jobs lost, facilities gone, people struggling. You think when shit went down in Swansea it was happy days for everyone? Not at all. This self centred I want the club back in blue at any cost approach is disgusting.

If kids are enjoying a day out with their fathers at games, if the disabled feel like they belong, if women feel proud representing their city playing football and if local business is doing well and people are kept in jobs then I'm happy.

This thread is full of so many preschool KCB divs it's unreal. Football is a business and business is all about marketing, branding and selling yourself to a global market. Why are WHU moving to the Olympic Stadium? Why do Liverpool want more seats or to move? These are clubs with far more history than us at internationally recognised grounds. Why did Arsenal move and change their badge? Why have clubs changes their kit colours? Change happens because business evolves to keep up with modern trends and to survive a business needs to adapt. We weren't surviving, we were dying a little bit more every month until Tan came along. What gives other clubs or fans the right to say what change is acceptable and what isn't? When did they suddenly become the personified moral compass of business ethics in football? Any fan who moans or slates us for the rebrand and still goes to games is an absolute moron. Accept football for what it is, a modern business profit oriented sport or move on. Long gone are the days the working class man flooded terraces. If you buy Sky and you hate the rebrand then you are an idiot. You're actively funding part of the problem and no different from a government funding Syria with weapons and then moaning that a frigging war has broke out.

Fed up of this hypothetical moral compass of bullshit people come out with 'stadium changes are ok but kit colour not'.

SAYS WHO? WHAT PEARL OF FOOTBALL KNOWLEDGE CAME UP WITH THAT RULE?

The Premier League is here. If you are going to moan about it then do us all a favour, go to your meetings, invite people along, talk directly with the clubs representatives in a professional capacity but please for the love of God stop preaching us your holier than thou identity and tradition bullshit. It's getting very tiresome and equivalent of any minority group trying to radicalise others. You don't make the rules and to tell us to just go support Man Utd because we don't fit your ideology for how the club should be is pathetic. I think that one suggestion sums up the mentality of our fans itself. How other fans feel don't matter, how the local people are benefitting from the club don't matter, how the disabled and women in sport are benefiting dont matter as long as we get our precious club back in blue.

I'd love the club to be back in blue I really would but not at the stupid cost some people want it at - jobs lost, facilities gone, people struggling. You think when shit went down in Swansea it was happy days for everyone? Not at all. This self centred I want the club back in blue at any cost approach is disgusting.

If kids are enjoying a day out with their fathers at games, if the disabled feel like they belong, if women feel proud representing their city playing football and if local business is doing well and people are kept in jobs then I'm happy.

True, pre school KCB haven't got a clue really and can't grasp and understand the reason for the re brand, pointless debating though because they can't understand the logic and see the big picture, may aswell talk to a brick wall about it, the reasons for the re brand might sink in better

This thread is full of so many preschool KCB divs it's unreal. Football is a business and business is all about marketing, branding and selling yourself to a global market. Why are WHU moving to the Olympic Stadium? Why do Liverpool want more seats or to move? These are clubs with far more history than us at internationally recognised grounds. Why did Arsenal move and change their badge? Why have clubs changes their kit colours? Change happens because business evolves to keep up with modern trends and to survive a business needs to adapt. We weren't surviving, we were dying a little bit more every month until Tan came along. What gives other clubs or fans the right to say what change is acceptable and what isn't? When did they suddenly become the personified moral compass of business ethics in football? Any fan who moans or slates us for the rebrand and still goes to games is an absolute moron. Accept football for what it is, a modern business profit oriented sport or move on. Long gone are the days the working class man flooded terraces. If you buy Sky and you hate the rebrand then you are an idiot. You're actively funding part of the problem and no different from a government funding Syria with weapons and then moaning that a frigging war has broke out.

Fed up of this hypothetical moral compass of bullshit people come out with 'stadium changes are ok but kit colour not'.

SAYS WHO? WHAT PEARL OF FOOTBALL KNOWLEDGE CAME UP WITH THAT RULE?

The Premier League is here. If you are going to moan about it then do us all a favour, go to your meetings, invite people along, talk directly with the clubs representatives in a professional capacity but please for the love of God stop preaching us your holier than thou identity and tradition bullshit. It's getting very tiresome and equivalent of any minority group trying to radicalise others. You don't make the rules and to tell us to just go support Man Utd because we don't fit your ideology for how the club should be is pathetic. I think that one suggestion sums up the mentality of our fans itself. How other fans feel don't matter, how the local people are benefitting from the club don't matter, how the disabled and women in sport are benefiting dont matter as long as we get our precious club back in blue.

I'd love the club to be back in blue I really would but not at the stupid cost some people want it at - jobs lost, facilities gone, people struggling. You think when shit went down in Swansea it was happy days for everyone? Not at all. This self centred I want the club back in blue at any cost approach is disgusting.

If kids are enjoying a day out with their fathers at games, if the disabled feel like they belong, if women feel proud representing their city playing football and if local business is doing well and people are kept in jobs then I'm happy.

I think what is so childish is "pro reds or reluctant reds" having a pop at people with different opinions because it doesn't match theirs , svengali in this thread argues his point in a debate (as it should be) without having a go at other peoples opinions , seems others would rather go to name calling to get their point across

I think what is so childish is "pro reds or reluctant reds" having a pop at people with different opinions because it doesn't match theirs , svengali in this thread argues his point in a debate (as it should be) without having a go at other peoples opinions , seems others would rather go to name calling to get their point across

All week ive seen protest this, protest that. Tan is an evil dictator. No one highlights the good stuff his time at Cardiff has brought. All taken for granted by selfish spoilt brats who put a colour before all the people who benefit from the clubs well being. If we were in League One and admin jobs would be gone, people would suffer etc. etc. but as long as we are blue.

Fed up of it all sniping at Tan. Roll on the fixtures imo.

I think what is so childish is "pro reds or reluctant reds" having a pop at people with different opinions because it doesn't match theirs , svengali in this thread argues his point in a debate (as it should be) without having a go at other peoples opinions , seems others would rather go to name calling to get their point across

All week ive seen protest this, protest that. Tan is an evil dictator. No one highlights the good stuff his time at Cardiff has brought. All taken for granted by selfish spoilt brats who put a colour before all the people who benefit from the clubs well being. If we were in League One and admin jobs would be gone, people would suffer etc. etc. but as long as we are blue.

Fed up of it all sniping at Tan. Roll on the fixtures imo.

I don't get why we would be in league one if we stayed blue
Your tarring all blues with the same brush, I admit that some are going to far , Tan has done amazing things for this club , I have said many times he is probably our best chairmen ,but what I don't agree with is that he needed to change the shirt colours for success, if he wants us to be big in the Far East thats fine , I just think he could of got us up in blue and established us as a prem league club 1st to get interest in us over there and actually attempt to make us big there in blue. If we were established and there was next to no interest then fine I would of excepted the change was for the good(Still wouldn't of liked it mind ),but all the far east care about is success not a shirt colour, they will support the biggest teams who win the most (basically they are plastics)

The problem at the moment is , the club has more debt than ever before , he has said he will convert the shares when langston will be paid he still hasn't sorted that. This is what is annoying a lot of fans he said he would do a lot of things if we had the red kit but he hasn't sorted out the debt yet , hes added to it. He will be praised a lot more once he has sorted the debt out I believe .

I think what is so childish is "pro reds or reluctant reds" having a pop at people with different opinions because it doesn't match theirs , svengali in this thread argues his point in a debate (as it should be) without having a go at other peoples opinions , seems others would rather go to name calling to get their point across

All week ive seen protest this, protest that. Tan is an evil dictator. No one highlights the good stuff his time at Cardiff has brought. All taken for granted by selfish spoilt brats who put a colour before all the people who benefit from the clubs well being. If we were in League One and admin jobs would be gone, people would suffer etc. etc. but as long as we are blue.

Fed up of it all sniping at Tan. Roll on the fixtures imo.

I don't get why we would be in league one if we stayed blue
Your tarring all blues with the same brush, I admit that some are going to far , Tan has done amazing things for this club , I have said many times he is probably our best chairmen ,but what I don't agree with is that he needed to change the shirt colours for success, if he wants us to be big in the Far East thats fine , I just think he could of got us up in blue and established us as a prem league club 1st to get interest in us over there and actually attempt to make us big there in blue. If we were established and there was next to no interest then fine I would of excepted the change was for the good(Still wouldn't of liked it mind ),but all the far east care about is success not a shirt colour, they will support the biggest teams who win the most (basically they are plastics)

The problem at the moment is , the club has more debt than ever before , he has said he will convert the shares when langston will be paid he still hasn't sorted that. This is what is annoying a lot of fans he said he would do a lot of things if we had the red kit but he hasn't sorted out the debt yet , hes added to it. He will be praised a lot more once he has sorted the debt out I believe .

Darren, mate, we will all have to watch and wait for the definitive outcome but some of your comments are, I'm afraid, exceptionally naïve and you need to take time just to consider some of what you have said above

That is not knocking you for your 'pro-blue at all costs' stance but for you to appear to believe that Tan hasn't got things in hand is wide of the mark. TBH, he has but he simply hasn't done it the way us international business Gurus demand that he should have (and I refer to my post above as an example of 'why' he can effectively do what he wants whether we like it or not

I agree with your comments about the 'in-fighting' though but I guess individuals on both sides are passionate (and quite intransigent) on their individual stances, whilst others have simply jumped on the latest bandwagon

As Forever Blue said a couple of days ago (partly in jest) once the season commences and assuming we settle in to the Premier League, the red/blue issue will be forgotten by the majority and life (as it always does) will simply move on

It IS a shame about the blue but it is not going to change anytime soon

I think what is so childish is "pro reds or reluctant reds" having a pop at people with different opinions because it doesn't match theirs , svengali in this thread argues his point in a debate (as it should be) without having a go at other peoples opinions , seems others would rather go to name calling to get their point across

All week ive seen protest this, protest that. Tan is an evil dictator. No one highlights the good stuff his time at Cardiff has brought. All taken for granted by selfish spoilt brats who put a colour before all the people who benefit from the clubs well being. If we were in League One and admin jobs would be gone, people would suffer etc. etc. but as long as we are blue.

Fed up of it all sniping at Tan. Roll on the fixtures imo.

I don't get why we would be in league one if we stayed blue
Your tarring all blues with the same brush, I admit that some are going to far , Tan has done amazing things for this club , I have said many times he is probably our best chairmen ,but what I don't agree with is that he needed to change the shirt colours for success, if he wants us to be big in the Far East thats fine , I just think he could of got us up in blue and established us as a prem league club 1st to get interest in us over there and actually attempt to make us big there in blue. If we were established and there was next to no interest then fine I would of excepted the change was for the good(Still wouldn't of liked it mind ),but all the far east care about is success not a shirt colour, they will support the biggest teams who win the most (basically they are plastics)

The problem at the moment is , the club has more debt than ever before , he has said he will convert the shares when langston will be paid he still hasn't sorted that. This is what is annoying a lot of fans he said he would do a lot of things if we had the red kit but he hasn't sorted out the debt yet , hes added to it. He will be praised a lot more once he has sorted the debt out I believe .

Darren, mate, we will all have to watch and wait for the definitive outcome but some of your comments are, I'm afraid, exceptionally naïve and you need to take time just to consider some of what you have said above

That is not knocking you for your 'pro-blue at all costs' stance but for you to appear to believe that Tan hasn't got things in hand is wide of the mark. TBH, he has but he simply hasn't done it the way us international business Gurus demand that he should have (and I refer to my post above as an example of 'why' he can effectively do what he wants whether we like it or not

I agree with your comments about the 'in-fighting' though but I guess individuals on both sides are passionate (and quite intransigent) on their individual stances, whilst others have simply jumped on the latest bandwagon

As Forever Blue said a couple of days ago (partly in jest) once the season commences and assuming we settle in to the Premier League, the red/blue issue will be forgotten by the majority and life (as it always does) will simply move on

It IS a shame about the blue but it is not going to change anytime soon

I re-read what I posted above and went off on a bit of a rant(frustration) and some of it doesn't make sense , I know Tan knows what he is doing , I just don't like the way he has done it as you pointed out in your post .
I do believe every summer we will all talk about the re brand though as close season is always boring nothing really to talk about unfortunately and its certainly a split some fans can accept it some can't unfortunately

I'm always buzzing until people start moaning about getting their blue back. So it works both ways same as you buzzing until you see red etc.

Tan could be seen as a killjoy

Also alot of people could see bluebirds unite as a killjoy and the moaning blue fans as a killjoy like I do

Depends really don't it

Well yea ok you could look at it from that angle but what you are saying is there is an argument for and against and I agree.

As a result you get a fan base thats not united which again is bad for us the team and the club as a hole but you have to agree that Tan created this situation so weather you agree with me or not on my topic then sorry you have to agree its Tan fault we have a debate a difference of opinion a fans divide call it what you will Tan did it though.This upsets me as much as the rebrand does.

But there in its self is another dilemma....

Fans who support blue and point blankly refuse red abuse the ones who accept it...
Whilst it had been alleged that a few pro reds may have threatened or abused pro blues....

Either way, Tan wasn't responsible for the fans behaviour towards each other...

For me that's a bigger issue than a kit colour...

Are you serious? The only reason fans are falling out is because of Tan and his stupid rebrand! If there was no rebrand, we would all be getting along and celebrating together. Tan's rebrand has ruined what should be my greatest ever moment as a City fan. Instead of looking forward to next seasons fixtures in the Premiership and what players we might be signing, my main wish is for us to return back to our proper colours and badge. Isn't it sad Tan has made myself and many others feel like this.

and how did you feel when Tan got us out of this "Cardiff City fans warn administration could happen soon"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/cardiff_city/8574000.stm

I think what is so childish is "pro reds or reluctant reds" having a pop at people with different opinions because it doesn't match theirs , svengali in this thread argues his point in a debate (as it should be) without having a go at other peoples opinions , seems others would rather go to name calling to get their point across

All week ive seen protest this, protest that. Tan is an evil dictator. No one highlights the good stuff his time at Cardiff has brought. All taken for granted by selfish spoilt brats who put a colour before all the people who benefit from the clubs well being. If we were in League One and admin jobs would be gone, people would suffer etc. etc. but as long as we are blue.

Fed up of it all sniping at Tan. Roll on the fixtures imo.

I don't get why we would be in league one if we stayed blue
Your tarring all blues with the same brush, I admit that some are going to far , Tan has done amazing things for this club , I have said many times he is probably our best chairmen ,but what I don't agree with is that he needed to change the shirt colours for success, if he wants us to be big in the Far East thats fine , I just think he could of got us up in blue and established us as a prem league club 1st to get interest in us over there and actually attempt to make us big there in blue. If we were established and there was next to no interest then fine I would of excepted the change was for the good(Still wouldn't of liked it mind ),but all the far east care about is success not a shirt colour, they will support the biggest teams who win the most (basically they are plastics)

The problem at the moment is , the club has more debt than ever before , he has said he will convert the shares when langston will be paid he still hasn't sorted that. This is what is annoying a lot of fans he said he would do a lot of things if we had the red kit but he hasn't sorted out the debt yet , hes added to it. He will be praised a lot more once he has sorted the debt out I believe .

Darren, mate, we will all have to watch and wait for the definitive outcome but some of your comments are, I'm afraid, exceptionally naïve and you need to take time just to consider some of what you have said above

That is not knocking you for your 'pro-blue at all costs' stance but for you to appear to believe that Tan hasn't got things in hand is wide of the mark. TBH, he has but he simply hasn't done it the way us international business Gurus demand that he should have (and I refer to my post above as an example of 'why' he can effectively do what he wants whether we like it or not

I agree with your comments about the 'in-fighting' though but I guess individuals on both sides are passionate (and quite intransigent) on their individual stances, whilst others have simply jumped on the latest bandwagon

As Forever Blue said a couple of days ago (partly in jest) once the season commences and assuming we settle in to the Premier League, the red/blue issue will be forgotten by the majority and life (as it always does) will simply move on

It IS a shame about the blue but it is not going to change anytime soon

I re-read what I posted above and went off on a bit of a rant(frustration) and some of it doesn't make sense , I know Tan knows what he is doing , I just don't like the way he has done it as you pointed out in your post .
I do believe every summer we will all talk about the re brand though as close season is always boring nothing really to talk about unfortunately and its certainly a split some fans can accept it some can't unfortunately

I respect that response, mate

I'm always buzzing until people start moaning about getting their blue back. So it works both ways same as you buzzing until you see red etc.

Tan could be seen as a killjoy

Also alot of people could see bluebirds unite as a killjoy and the moaning blue fans as a killjoy like I do

Depends really don't it

Well yea ok you could look at it from that angle but what you are saying is there is an argument for and against and I agree.

As a result you get a fan base thats not united which again is bad for us the team and the club as a hole but you have to agree that Tan created this situation so weather you agree with me or not on my topic then sorry you have to agree its Tan fault we have a debate a difference of opinion a fans divide call it what you will Tan did it though.This upsets me as much as the rebrand does.

But there in its self is another dilemma....

Fans who support blue and point blankly refuse red abuse the ones who accept it...
Whilst it had been alleged that a few pro reds may have threatened or abused pro blues....

Either way, Tan wasn't responsible for the fans behaviour towards each other...

For me that's a bigger issue than a kit colour...

Are you serious? The only reason fans are falling out is because of Tan and his stupid rebrand! If there was no rebrand, we would all be getting along and celebrating together. Tan's rebrand has ruined what should be my greatest ever moment as a City fan. Instead of looking forward to next seasons fixtures in the Premiership and what players we might be signing, my main wish is for us to return back to our proper colours and badge. Isn't it sad Tan has made myself and many others feel like this.

and how did you feel when Tan got us out of this "Cardiff City fans warn administration could happen soon"



Hey, that particular Goldfish (Ton-Teg Bluebird) has swum around the bowl a few times since the 'administration warning' was sounded, so it means nothing to him now!

He (Ton-Teg Bluebird) wants what he wants and he wants it NOW!

Feck the consequences and feck any remote gratitude to the man who saved us