Multi-culturalism- what a failure.

You lost all credibility when you said "PROUD HISTORY"

Great Britain founded slavery
We used to travel the globe, sticking flags in other countries and claiming them for our own, then enslaving the indigenous population.

PROUD

Agreed. This country has a history of rape, pillaging and blood on its hands. Hardly anything to be proud of.

So why dont you move to a better country then ?

Once I have finished university I will be moving to another country dont worry.

Good f**k off, i will pack your bags for you. a man dies, his family has to deal with it and all you can think of is defending islam and muslims.

YEAH! LETS ROUND UP EVERY MUSLIM AND BURN THEM!!!

THEN, AS MARK BRIDGER IS WELSH, LETS ROUND UP EVERY WELSHMAN AND KILL THEM

TERRY SUTCLIFFE WAS A YORKSHIREMAN, SO LETS KILL ALL THEM.

That scumbag Mark Bridger ain't Welsh he is English

France, Belgium & the Netherlands to name a few also had overseas empires so Britain is not alone

For all the deluded lefties/guardian readers & viewers of the BBC propoganda service you really have to start living in the real world not la la land.
I have a very close relative who works in lunatic house which is the main immigration centre in this country & the stories she tells me are shocking on immigation cases the scams lies & dishonesty & what they receive from the goverment, it is a disgrace that every mohammed, dick & harry are entitled to vast sums of money while our pensioners/hospitals & schools
suffer cutbacks.

You lost all credibility when you said "PROUD HISTORY"

Great Britain founded slavery
We used to travel the globe, sticking flags in other countries and claiming them for our own, then enslaving the indigenous population.

PROUD

Agreed. This country has a history of rape, pillaging and blood on its hands. Hardly anything to be proud of.

Are you 2 the same person (or living together?) as I cannot believe that one message board can get itself 2 members that are so thick and uneducated.

Great Britain founded slavery? F**k me you must be the most stupid ignorant person in the world. Or an uneducated blinkered, socialist type?
I accept reading (in particular history ) is a bit too much to expect, but try getting information on the Romans, Greeks, Hebrews etc - go back as far as you like and you will see that slavery existed centuries before Great Britain existed as a country.
It was Great Britain who virtually single handed (look up William Wilberforce - a Tory, English Christian) ended the African slave trade (despite massive opposition from other European countries and America (including people like Abraham Lincoln). The slave trade was going on in Africa for centuries before we got there. In fact it was controlled by the MUSLIM Arab states to the North and East. So your lessons are completely wrong - maybe ask your teacher to learn some more before attempting to mislead you in future.

Try travelling the world and see what countries Great Britain "created " in many ways. Most now have schools, universities, and democratic governmental systems (how they now use them is beyond our control). India, Kenya, South Africa, Zimbabwe (aka Rhodesia), Australia, Canada, NZ to name a few. If we were so bad why have they stayed in the Commonwealth?

You lost all credibility when you said "PROUD HISTORY"

Great Britain founded slavery
We used to travel the globe, sticking flags in other countries and claiming them for our own, then enslaving the indigenous population.

PROUD

Agreed. This country has a history of rape, pillaging and blood on its hands. Hardly anything to be proud of.

Are you 2 the same person (or living together?) as I cannot believe that one message board can get itself 2 members that are so thick and uneducated.

Great Britain founded slavery? F**k me you must be the most stupid ignorant person in the world. Or an uneducated blinkered, socialist type?
I accept reading (in particular history ) is a bit too much to expect, but try getting information on the Romans, Greeks, Hebrews etc - go back as far as you like and you will see that slavery existed centuries before Great Britain existed as a country.
It was Great Britain who virtually single handed (look up William Wilberforce - a Tory, English Christian) ended the African slave trade (despite massive opposition from other European countries and America (including people like Abraham Lincoln). The slave trade was going on in Africa for centuries before we got there. In fact it was controlled by the MUSLIM Arab states to the North and East. So your lessons are completely wrong - maybe ask your teacher to learn some more before attempting to mislead you in future.

Try travelling the world and see what countries Great Britain "created " in many ways. Most now have schools, universities, and democratic governmental systems (how they now use them is beyond our control). India, Kenya, South Africa, Zimbabwe (aka Rhodesia), Australia, Canada, NZ to name a few. If we were so bad why have they stayed in the Commonwealth?

Nowhere did I state Britain only did bad things and just because you try to fix things doesn't mean the past didn't happen and thats true. This country has a lot of blood on its hands and there is no denying that and to just pass it off by saying 'we've done good things as well' is truly shocking. It happened and we cant change the past or sweep it under the rug.

You are pathetic little nobody

Well after hearing that im heartbroken. Your opinion means so much to me.

I agree, time to get rid of multi culturalism. Time for Wales to leave this English culture dominated country and become our own.

Welsh culture
English culture

I agree, time to get rid of multi culturalism. Time for Wales to leave this English culture dominated country and become our own.

Welsh culture
English culture

Problem is that we have lost our Welsh culture. Cardiff did not get the European city of culture (went to Liverpool or Glasgow instead, I think) because there was no culture left that was defined as Welsh.

If everyone lived by one rule then this wouldn't even be a debate... what would that rule be?

Don't be a c**t.

There's the f*cking answer to all the complex questions right there.

I agree, time to get rid of multi culturalism. Time for Wales to leave this English culture dominated country and become our own.

Welsh culture
English culture

Said in the English language.

You lost all credibility when you said "PROUD HISTORY"

Great Britain founded slavery
We used to travel the globe, sticking flags in other countries and claiming them for our own, then enslaving the indigenous population.

PROUD

Craig, No we did not create slavery it was started 1000s of years ago - what britain did, and many other countries was to do it on a larger scale. Also note that we were one of the first to abolish it. History is just that, history , we cannot change the "bad" things we have done but we do recognise that we were part of it. However it does not mean that we cannot be proud about the many good and great things this country has achieved.

My simple belief is if someone "hates" our country so much - feck off somewhere else and if they want to maim and kill here, well they should be executed.

Obviously founded was the wrong term. I meant at the forefront.

I agree we have many things to be proud of, the point is the OP thought this country was the bollox when its history is probably more chequered than most.

Craig, No we did not create slavery it was started 1000s of years ago - what britain did, and many other countries was to do it on a larger scale. Also note that we were one of the first to abolish it. History is just that, history , we cannot change the "bad" things we have done but we do recognise that we were part of it. However it does not mean that we cannot be proud about the many good and great things this country has achieved.

The issue is obvious. When our country does bad things, we try to sweep it under the rug in the Blair-esque Iraq war manner. No responsibility. I thought we were doing good, did a mistake, we move on.

When other countries do bad, i.e. Germany with WW2 and the Holocaust we remind them of it all the time.

Thats what I find disgusting. If its Britain, sweep it under the rug. We've done good, lets sugar coat all the bad shit we've done. When Germany does something good, sod it, lets remind them what they did.

Proof of this is the school curriculum. Quick enough to teach about how Germany is bad and how Germany is evil for WW2 etc. quick enough to slam America for Vietman failings and how Britain is great and wonderful but never anything bad like the Jallianwallah barg Massacre? Why?

Without older people like yourself and grandfathers and so forth I would not even know the true history of Britain because the school system tries to make it look like British history is a bed of beautiful roses.

Obviously founded was the wrong term. I meant at the forefront.

I agree we have many things to be proud of, the point is the OP thought this country was the bollox when its history is probably more chequered than most.

our history is no worse than any other country....

Obviously founded was the wrong term. I meant at the forefront.

I agree we have many things to be proud of, the point is the OP thought this country was the bollox when its history is probably more chequered than most.

our history is no worse than any other country....

I bet its worse than Switzerlands

i'm very proud of the UK's history, it has had bad episodes like any other country but i think its disgusting how people on this thread are turning this into anti UK crap. the present day UK is different, but to imply we should feel guilty for things done 100+ years ago by our people is bollocks.

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Craig, No we did not create slavery it was started 1000s of years ago - what britain did, and many other countries was to do it on a larger scale. Also note that we were one of the first to abolish it. History is just that, history , we cannot change the "bad" things we have done but we do recognise that we were part of it. However it does not mean that we cannot be proud about the many good and great things this country has achieved.

The issue is obvious. When our country does bad things, we try to sweep it under the rug in the Blair-esque Iraq war manner. No responsibility. I thought we were doing good, did a mistake, we move on.

When other countries do bad, i.e. Germany with WW2 and the Holocaust we remind them of it all the time.

Thats what I find disgusting. If its Britain, sweep it under the rug. We've done good, lets sugar coat all the bad shit we've done. When Germany does something good, sod it, lets remind them what they did.


Proof of this is the school curriculum. Quick enough to teach about how Germany is bad and how Germany is evil for WW2 etc. quick enough to slam America for Vietman failings and how Britain is great and wonderful but never anything bad like the Jallianwallah barg Massacre? Why?

Without older people like yourself and grandfathers and so forth I would not even know the true history of Britain because the school system tries to make it look like British history is a bed of beautiful roses.

ABE - I love history, particularly military history and, I do think we beat ourselves up too much about all the things we have done wrong in our past. We also allow others to use this as a way to "attack" us whether verbally or physically. However I do not think that this is a uniquely British trait. For example the Japanese do not admit the "Rape of Nanking" as an atrocity, they are yet I believe to say sorry for the treatment of POWs in WWII. I admire the Germans for covering their wrong doings in WWII but I also find it amusing that it was the nasty Nazis who did it and not the German people as a whole - trying to retain some pride I think.

What we can affect is the now - not the past - we have said sorry to every fecker except the Romans. People need to move on, put the past to bed and live in peace. If THESE people find that they cannot do this and want to cause death/destruction they should face the ultimate penalty - death.

We are the pioneers of transport, medication, education we have dragged countries like Australia and India into the 21st century. Culturally we have enriched this world like no other country.

More to be proud of than ashamed of.

Craig, No we did not create slavery it was started 1000s of years ago - what britain did, and many other countries was to do it on a larger scale. Also note that we were one of the first to abolish it. History is just that, history , we cannot change the "bad" things we have done but we do recognise that we were part of it. However it does not mean that we cannot be proud about the many good and great things this country has achieved.

The issue is obvious. When our country does bad things, we try to sweep it under the rug in the Blair-esque Iraq war manner. No responsibility. I thought we were doing good, did a mistake, we move on.

When other countries do bad, i.e. Germany with WW2 and the Holocaust we remind them of it all the time.

Thats what I find disgusting. If its Britain, sweep it under the rug. We've done good, lets sugar coat all the bad shit we've done. When Germany does something good, sod it, lets remind them what they did.


Proof of this is the school curriculum. Quick enough to teach about how Germany is bad and how Germany is evil for WW2 etc. quick enough to slam America for Vietman failings and how Britain is great and wonderful but never anything bad like the Jallianwallah barg Massacre? Why?

Without older people like yourself and grandfathers and so forth I would not even know the true history of Britain because the school system tries to make it look like British history is a bed of beautiful roses.

ABE - I love history, particularly military history and, I do think we beat ourselves up too much about all the things we have done wrong in our past. We also allow others to use this as a way to "attack" us whether verbally or physically. However I do not think that this is a uniquely British trait. For example the Japanese do not admit the "Rape of Nanking" as an atrocity, they are yet I believe to say sorry for the treatment of POWs in WWII. I admire the Germans for covering their wrong doings in WWII but I also find it amusing that it was the nasty Nazis who did it and not the German people as a whole - trying to retain some pride I think.

What we can affect is the now - not the past - we have said sorry to every fecker except the Romans. People need to move on, put the past to bed and live in peace. If THESE people find that they cannot do this and want to cause death/destruction they should face the ultimate penalty - death.

Fair enough. Good post. Surprised to hear that about the Japanese if true given their commitment to honour and being trustworthy.

All Black Everything and CraigCCFC if you dont like the country f**k off and take the radical Muslim scum with you and any other scrounging twats with you.

It's liberal softies like you who have pushed this country into this oh so wonderful multicultural shite.

My wife and I have worked in the middle east with some of these so peace loving muslims and we, along with many other westerners, had to stick to their rules and respect thier culture otherwise we would have been stoned, whipped or imprisoned.

All Black Everything and CraigCCFC if you dont like the country f**k off and take the radical Muslim scum with you and any other scrounging twats with you.

It's liberal softies like you who have pushed this country into this oh so wonderful multicultural shite.

My wife and I have worked in the middle east with some of these so peace loving muslims and we, along with many other westerners, had to stick to their rules and respect thier culture otherwise we would have been stoned, whipped or imprisoned.

Who said I didnt like this country?

sorry, im not a racist bigot like you

As it happens, i think they should deport or imprison all the radicals, both foreign and british. The difference is I dont label all muslims the same, unlike some of the people on here.

All Black Everything and CraigCCFC if you dont like the country f**k off and take the radical Muslim scum with you and any other scrounging twats with you.

Great debate and beautifully thought through. Again, im not a Liberal, im a UKIP voter so you couldn't be more wrong. However, I accept we need out of the EU, I accept terrorist suspects should be kicked out but I do not accept the bastardisation and abuse of an entire sector or society, Islam. There are many peaceful Muslims who want to follow their religion within the confinements of the British law.

It's liberal softies like you who have pushed this country into this oh so wonderful multicultural shite.

No. As stated above, im a UKIP voter.

My wife and I have worked in the middle east with some of these so peace loving muslims and we, along with many other westerners, had to stick to their rules and respect thier culture otherwise we would have been stoned, whipped or imprisoned.

And many Muslims do the same here. Have you been to Coleg Glan Hafren on City Road in Cardiff? Plenty of Muslims who all live by the law and still follow their religion.

Fighting extremism with extremism has never worked. It just ends in more blood spilt.

Obviously founded was the wrong term. I meant at the forefront.

I agree we have many things to be proud of, the point is the OP thought this country was the bollox when its history is probably more chequered than most.

our history is no worse than any other country....

I bet its worse than Switzerlands

ok...i knew it would be switzerland or sweden that would be mentioned.but be real,the vast majority of countries are as bad and if not alot worse than ours....

You lost all credibility when you said "PROUD HISTORY"

Great Britain founded slavery
We used to travel the globe, sticking flags in other countries and claiming them for our own, then enslaving the indigenous population.

PROUD

I suppose the same goes for the Romans then? The greatest empire with influences all over Europe. The Romans put down the foundations for a Great Britain to flourish on. The British Empire was great once using the same command and conquer ethics of the empires before us, but unfortunately not anymore. Our war veterans will be turning in their graves at the state of our once great country.

You lost all credibility when you said "PROUD HISTORY"

Great Britain founded slavery
We used to travel the globe, sticking flags in other countries and claiming them for our own, then enslaving the indigenous population.

PROUD

I suppose the same goes for the Romans then? The greatest empire with influences all over Europe. The Romans put down the foundations for a Great Britain to flourish on. The British Empire was great once using the same command and conquer ethics of the empires before us, but unfortunately not anymore. Our war veterans will be turning in their graves at the state of our once great country.

You missed my point, like i said above. We also have a bad part to our history which often gets left out. In order to make an informed decision one needs to consider ALL the facts.

You lost all credibility when you said "PROUD HISTORY"

Great Britain founded slavery
We used to travel the globe, sticking flags in other countries and claiming them for our own, then enslaving the indigenous population.

PROUD

I suppose the same goes for the Romans then? The greatest empire with influences all over Europe. The Romans put down the foundations for a Great Britain to flourish on. The British Empire was great once using the same command and conquer ethics of the empires before us, but unfortunately not anymore. Our war veterans will be turning in their graves at the state of our once great country.

You missed my point, like i said above. We also have a bad part to our history which often gets left out. In order to make an informed decision one needs to consider ALL the facts.

Agreed. Hear all the sides of the argument, think about them, assess them and then come to a conclusion based on findings.

You lost all credibility when you said "PROUD HISTORY"

Great Britain founded slavery
We used to travel the globe, sticking flags in other countries and claiming them for our own, then enslaving the indigenous population.

PROUD

I suppose the same goes for the Romans then? The greatest empire with influences all over Europe. The Romans put down the foundations for a Great Britain to flourish on. The British Empire was great once using the same command and conquer ethics of the empires before us, but unfortunately not anymore. Our war veterans will be turning in their graves at the state of our once great country.

You missed my point, like i said above. We also have a bad part to our history which often gets left out. In order to make an informed decision one needs to consider ALL the facts.

Agreed. Hear all the sides of the argument, think about them, assess them and then come to a conclusion based on findings.

and the conclusion to all this ...is a lot of british people have had enough of feeling like 2nd class citizens in our own country.....

You lost all credibility when you said "PROUD HISTORY"

Great Britain founded slavery
We used to travel the globe, sticking flags in other countries and claiming them for our own, then enslaving the indigenous population.

PROUD

I suppose the same goes for the Romans then? The greatest empire with influences all over Europe. The Romans put down the foundations for a Great Britain to flourish on. The British Empire was great once using the same command and conquer ethics of the empires before us, but unfortunately not anymore. Our war veterans will be turning in their graves at the state of our once great country.

You missed my point, like i said above. We also have a bad part to our history which often gets left out. In order to make an informed decision one needs to consider ALL the facts.

Agreed. Hear all the sides of the argument, think about them, assess them and then come to a conclusion based on findings.

and the conclusion to all this ...is a lot of british people have had enough of feeling like 2nd class citizens in our own country.....

I totally agree with you but its not normal muslims faut, its the fault of the radicals

Great Britain DID NOT start slavery, the Egyptians were using thousands of slaves to build pyramids while we were an island of seperate settlements fighting each other while standing rocks on their edge. I maybe missing the point but the fact is Great Britain has a proud wonderful successful history.
The Americans, (another result of our great history) closed their open door policy in 1917 because it wasn't working. Here we are nearly 100 years later still welcoming them in with social housing and weekly giro cheques and allowing them freedom of speech to publicly declare their hatred for us.

MULTI CULTURALISM-WHAT A FAILURE.

You lost all credibility when you said "PROUD HISTORY"

Great Britain founded slavery
We used to travel the globe, sticking flags in other countries and claiming them for our own, then enslaving the indigenous population.

PROUD

I suppose the same goes for the Romans then? The greatest empire with influences all over Europe. The Romans put down the foundations for a Great Britain to flourish on. The British Empire was great once using the same command and conquer ethics of the empires before us, but unfortunately not anymore. Our war veterans will be turning in their graves at the state of our once great country.

You missed my point, like i said above. We also have a bad part to our history which often gets left out. In order to make an informed decision one needs to consider ALL the facts.

Agreed. Hear all the sides of the argument, think about them, assess them and then come to a conclusion based on findings.

and the conclusion to all this ...is a lot of british people have had enough of feeling like 2nd class citizens in our own country.....

I totally agree with you but its not normal muslims faut, its the fault of the radicals

Again I agree with Craig.

Krabb, I understand your frustration mate and we're all frustrated. No one wants to live in fear of being stabbed or bombed. The key though is to attack those responsible and not the peaceful Muslims. If you attack the wrong people you get nowhere. The problem is with these radical sickening hate speech spreading loons is that they live behind the EU's human rights act and that is the main problem. The next problem is the government dont want to deport them. It claims its trying but it is not in the slightest putting enough effort into doing so.

Why? I dont know. Do they want to cause an uprising purposely or are they happy to have these people under surveillance in Britain rather than interfering with their missions in the middle east if they were sent home? Im going with number 2. I think they are kept in Britain purely for surveillance purposes but unfortunately for the government as we all know you can not watch everyone 24/7 and they will slip off the radar. Thats when the radicalisation takes place and thats why its on the government. Rather than get these people off of our streets they are putting lives at risks, I believe, for their intelligence interests.

There is nothing the common man can do to deport these radicals because of the government and an uprising will see a lot of blood shed and the government condemning actions and using it as an excuse to impose tougher restrictions or go through with policies.

The only thing that gives me hope is UKIP. Get out of the EU and hope that Farage and co. have enough of a backbone to deport these types of people. Farage and co. have already stated that they are happy for Muslims who respect the law to stay in Britain and there are Muslim members in UKIP who agree with his stance. There are Muslims want peace too and thats why they have condemned this horrific murder. They wont however speak out within the Muslim community because they will then be targeted by these radicals and come under threat.

If you want out of the EU then vote UKIP and maybe then we'll get our own powers to deport these people. Violence on the streets will solve nothing. It will be playing straight into the governments hands as all of the eyes will be off them.