Congratulations redbirds.

I didn't sell anything. I remember paying paying but I sure didn't sell.

Last season Newcastle finished 5th, qualifying for Europe. This year they've flirted with relegation. Every season is a clean sheet with past performances having no bearing whatsoever.

So I was right in my deduction that some believe we have caught up with the likes of man united

Last season Newcastle finished 5th, qualifying for Europe. This year they've flirted with relegation. Every season is a clean sheet with past performances having no bearing whatsoever.

So I was right in my deduction that some believe we have caught up with the likes of man united

why are you pretending to be cardiff you freak!

Last season Newcastle finished 5th, qualifying for Europe. This year they've flirted with relegation. Every season is a clean sheet with past performances having no bearing whatsoever.

So I was right in my deduction that some believe we have caught up with the likes of man united

It's amazing the way you quote what was said in your post, yet claim it reads something completely different to suit your pathetically boring views. Anyone would think you were a lying, tedious wum

You sad Jack mother,at least we didn't get in to the premier league through the back door.We are,or will be,championship champions.

Last season Newcastle finished 5th, qualifying for Europe. This year they've flirted with relegation. Every season is a clean sheet with past performances having no bearing whatsoever.

So I was right in my deduction that some believe we have caught up with the likes of man united

It's amazing the way you quote what was said in your post, yet claim it reads something completely different to suit your pathetically boring views. Anyone would think you were a lying, tedious wum

That's exactly what you said is it not? Every season is a clean slate and past performances have no baring what so ever?

Sense would tell you that's a biased argument, bias would tell you it isn't.

In reality we have a long way to go to catch up a team that is about to finish a second consecutive season in and around the top 10 with a class team, European qualification and a major cup win.

Don't like sense? Ignore me, simple.

You sad Jack mother,at least we didn't get in to the premier league through the back door.We are,or will be,championship champions.

No, you got to the Championship that way though

You sad Jack mother,at least we didn't get in to the premier league through the back door.We are,or will be,championship champions.

Swansea didnt, 3 go up and they finished 3rd. if play offs werent introduced they would have gone up anyway.

We got into the championship via the back door though and also to league 1.

shit happens.

You sad Jack mother,at least we didn't get in to the premier league through the back door.We are,or will be,championship champions.

Swansea didnt, 3 go up and they finished 3rd. if play offs werent introduced they would have gone up anyway.

We got into the championship via the back door though and also to league 1.

shit happens.

How did Cardiff get to league 1 via the back door?

You sad Jack mother,at least we didn't get in to the premier league through the back door.We are,or will be,championship champions.

Swansea didnt, 3 go up and they finished 3rd. if play offs werent introduced they would have gone up anyway.

We got into the championship via the back door though and also to league 1.

shit happens.

How did Cardiff get to league 1 via the back door?

We finished 2nd didnt we?

You sad Jack mother,at least we didn't get in to the premier league through the back door.We are,or will be,championship champions.

Swansea didnt, 3 go up and they finished 3rd. if play offs werent introduced they would have gone up anyway.

We got into the championship via the back door though and also to league 1.

shit happens.

How did Cardiff get to league 1 via the back door?

We finished 2nd didnt we?

So swansea go up through the play offs yet its not the back door, Cardiff finish 2nd and it is? Oh and by the way we finished 3rd, but then only a Cardiff fan would know that

You sad Jack mother,at least we didn't get in to the premier league through the back door.We are,or will be,championship champions.

Swansea didnt, 3 go up and they finished 3rd. if play offs werent introduced they would have gone up anyway.

We got into the championship via the back door though and also to league 1.

shit happens.

How did Cardiff get to league 1 via the back door?

We finished 2nd didnt we?

So swansea go up through the play offs yet its not the back door, Cardiff finish 2nd and it is? Oh and by the way we finished 3rd, but then only a Cardiff fan would know that

I was basing it on your opinion not mine.

If you finish 6th and go up then I can see an argument for that, however if you finish 3rd in a league that allows 3 teams promoted then I think it's nothing short of lunacy to describe it at that.

And no, we finished 2nd... But only a Cardiff fan would know that.

http://www.league2table.co.uk/2000-2001/full.html

You sad Jack mother,at least we didn't get in to the premier league through the back door.We are,or will be,championship champions.

Swansea didnt, 3 go up and they finished 3rd. if play offs werent introduced they would have gone up anyway.

We got into the championship via the back door though and also to league 1.

shit happens.

How did Cardiff get to league 1 via the back door?

We finished 2nd didnt we?

So swansea go up through the play offs yet its not the back door, Cardiff finish 2nd and it is? Oh and by the way we finished 3rd, but then only a Cardiff fan would know that

I was basing it on your opinion not mine.

If you finish 6th and go up then I can see an argument for that, however if you finish 3rd in a league that allows 3 teams promoted then I think it's nothing short of lunacy to describe it at that.

And no, we finished 2nd... But only a Cardiff fan would know that.

http://www.league2table.co.uk/2000-2001/full.html

I didn't give an opinion, I asked a question. You stated we got from league 1 via the back door, but we didn't.

You sad Jack mother,at least we didn't get in to the premier league through the back door.We are,or will be,championship champions.

Swansea didnt, 3 go up and they finished 3rd. if play offs werent introduced they would have gone up anyway.

We got into the championship via the back door though and also to league 1.

shit happens.

How did Cardiff get to league 1 via the back door?

We finished 2nd didnt we?

do you know how much of an idiot you are?

I didn't give an opinion, I asked a question. You stated we got from league 1 via the back door, but we didn't.

Nice dodging of the bollock you dropped.

I thought your opinion was that you have to win the league or you are going up through the back door. However it now seems you mean the playoffs. Yu do realise they don't give an extra place to the playoff teams don't you, it was taken away from the 3rd place team.

So swansea should have been promoted under the old rules but as a result had to play 3 more games. That's the opposite of the back door surely?

If they were 6th and got promoted, I'd see your angle.

You sad Jack mother,at least we didn't get in to the premier league through the back door.We are,or will be,championship champions.

Swansea didnt, 3 go up and they finished 3rd. if play offs werent introduced they would have gone up anyway.

We got into the championship via the back door though and also to league 1.

shit happens.

How did Cardiff get to league 1 via the back door?

We finished 2nd didnt we?

do you know how much of an idiot you are?

Oh no, you aren't another who thinks we were third are you

I didn't give an opinion, I asked a question. You stated we got from league 1 via the back door, but we didn't.

Nice dodging of the bollock you dropped.

I thought your opinion was that you have to win the league or you are going up through the back door. However it now seems you mean the playoffs. Yu do realise they don't give an extra place to the playoff teams don't you, it was taken away from the 3rd place team.

So swansea should have been promoted under the old rules but as a result had to play 3 more games. That's the opposite of the back door surely?

If they were 6th and got promoted, I'd see your angle.

Yep my mistake, we were 2nd. Always stuck in my mind 3rd but then of course 2nd came courtesy of a 9 pt deduction for c'field. But yes, 2nd.

Now back to your point. I never had any angle or gave any opinion. You said the jacks finishing 3rd and going up through the play offs wasn't the back door, yet Cardiff going up automatically from league 2 to league 1 (2nd place) was through the back door. All I've asked you is how you've come to that conclusion but as usual you dodge around the issue and make out I've said this and that. I've not mentioned anything about 6th or any opinion about Swansea.

So answer my question if you can, it's not a difficult one surely?

I didn't give an opinion, I asked a question. You stated we got from league 1 via the back door, but we didn't.

Nice dodging of the bollock you dropped.

I thought your opinion was that you have to win the league or you are going up through the back door. However it now seems you mean the playoffs. Yu do realise they don't give an extra place to the playoff teams don't you, it was taken away from the 3rd place team.

So swansea should have been promoted under the old rules but as a result had to play 3 more games. That's the opposite of the back door surely?

If they were 6th and got promoted, I'd see your angle.

Yep my mistake, we were 2nd. Always stuck in my mind 3rd but then of course 2nd came courtesy of a 9 pt deduction for c'field. But yes, 2nd.

Now back to your point. I never had any angle or gave any opinion. You said the jacks finishing 3rd and going up through the play offs wasn't the back door, yet Cardiff going up automatically from league 2 to league 1 (2nd place) was through the back door. All I've asked you is how you've come to that conclusion but as usual you dodge around the issue and make out I've said this and that. I've not mentioned anything about 6th or any opinion about Swansea.

So answer my question if you can, it's not a difficult one surely?

But you said only a Cardiff fan would know, which means you aren't, right?

How can you say I dodged the question when I answered I perfectly well? Paul what do you mean you don't have an opinion or angle? It was YOU that said swansea got promoted to the Prem via the back door where as Cardiff will be champions. THAT suggests that you could easily have meant only the champions of a league are worthy entrants into the league above, hence why I said we did it from league 2 to league 1.

However your objection led me to understand what you actually meant was play offs was "through the back door"... To which I went on to tell you that playoffs didnt create an extra place, it was taken away from the third placed club. If there were no play offs swansea would have been promoted automatically. The fact there was playoffs means they had to play an extra 3 games and come out on top, which they did. So your point is a bit of a silly one.

However in the interest of balance, I can see where you are coming from regarding that notion if the team promoted came outside the top 3, as they got promoted BECAUSE of the introduction of the play offs and given a second chance as it were. Just like our sixth placed finish and play off win to get to the championship.

Hope that's clear enough for you Carpe.

I didn't give an opinion, I asked a question. You stated we got from league 1 via the back door, but we didn't.

Nice dodging of the bollock you dropped.

I thought your opinion was that you have to win the league or you are going up through the back door. However it now seems you mean the playoffs. Yu do realise they don't give an extra place to the playoff teams don't you, it was taken away from the 3rd place team.

So swansea should have been promoted under the old rules but as a result had to play 3 more games. That's the opposite of the back door surely?

If they were 6th and got promoted, I'd see your angle.

Yep my mistake, we were 2nd. Always stuck in my mind 3rd but then of course 2nd came courtesy of a 9 pt deduction for c'field. But yes, 2nd.

Now back to your point. I never had any angle or gave any opinion. You said the jacks finishing 3rd and going up through the play offs wasn't the back door, yet Cardiff going up automatically from league 2 to league 1 (2nd place) was through the back door. All I've asked you is how you've come to that conclusion but as usual you dodge around the issue and make out I've said this and that. I've not mentioned anything about 6th or any opinion about Swansea.

So answer my question if you can, it's not a difficult one surely?

But you said only a Cardiff fan would know, which means you aren't, right?

How can you say I dodged the question when I answered I perfectly well? Paul what do you mean you don't have an opinion or angle? It was YOU that said swansea got promoted to the Prem via the back door where as Cardiff will be champions. THAT suggests that you could easily have meant only the champions of a league are worthy entrants into the league above, hence why I said we did it from league 2 to league 1.

However your objection led me to understand what you actually meant was play offs was "through the back door"... To which I went on to tell you that playoffs didnt create an extra place, it was taken away from the third placed club. If there were no play offs swansea would have been promoted automatically. The fact there was playoffs means they had to play an extra 3 games and come out on top, which they did. So your point is a bit of a silly one.

However in the interest of balance, I can see where you are coming from regarding that notion if the team promoted came outside the top 3, as they got promoted BECAUSE of the introduction of the play offs and given a second chance as it were. Just like our sixth placed finish and play off win to get to the championship.

Hope that's clear enough for you Carpe.

Here's an idea for you, why not read what I said and show me where I stated all what you say I did? For example, show me the post where I said "swansea got promoted to the Prem via the back door where as Cardiff will be champions"? And why are you calling me Paul? Up to your old lying tricks again and confusing posters which each other.

Seems Paxo has dropped a bollock too, in fact a couple

Is that clear enough for you Paxo?

I didn't give an opinion, I asked a question. You stated we got from league 1 via the back door, but we didn't.

Nice dodging of the bollock you dropped.

I thought your opinion was that you have to win the league or you are going up through the back door. However it now seems you mean the playoffs. Yu do realise they don't give an extra place to the playoff teams don't you, it was taken away from the 3rd place team.

So swansea should have been promoted under the old rules but as a result had to play 3 more games. That's the opposite of the back door surely?

If they were 6th and got promoted, I'd see your angle.

Yep my mistake, we were 2nd. Always stuck in my mind 3rd but then of course 2nd came courtesy of a 9 pt deduction for c'field. But yes, 2nd.

Now back to your point. I never had any angle or gave any opinion. You said the jacks finishing 3rd and going up through the play offs wasn't the back door, yet Cardiff going up automatically from league 2 to league 1 (2nd place) was through the back door. All I've asked you is how you've come to that conclusion but as usual you dodge around the issue and make out I've said this and that. I've not mentioned anything about 6th or any opinion about Swansea.

So answer my question if you can, it's not a difficult one surely?

But you said only a Cardiff fan would know, which means you aren't, right?

How can you say I dodged the question when I answered I perfectly well? Paul what do you mean you don't have an opinion or angle? It was YOU that said swansea got promoted to the Prem via the back door where as Cardiff will be champions. THAT suggests that you could easily have meant only the champions of a league are worthy entrants into the league above, hence why I said we did it from league 2 to league 1.

However your objection led me to understand what you actually meant was play offs was "through the back door"... To which I went on to tell you that playoffs didnt create an extra place, it was taken away from the third placed club. If there were no play offs swansea would have been promoted automatically. The fact there was playoffs means they had to play an extra 3 games and come out on top, which they did. So your point is a bit of a silly one.

However in the interest of balance, I can see where you are coming from regarding that notion if the team promoted came outside the top 3, as they got promoted BECAUSE of the introduction of the play offs and given a second chance as it were. Just like our sixth placed finish and play off win to get to the championship.

Hope that's clear enough for you Carpe.

Here's an idea for you, why not read what I said and show me where I stated all what you say I did? For example, show me the post where I said "swansea got promoted to the Prem via the back door where as Cardiff will be champions"? And why are you calling me Paul? Up to your old lying tricks again and confusing posters which each other.

Seems Paxo has dropped a bollock too, in fact a couple

Is that clear enough for you Paxo?

This is a prime example of why you shouldn't jump into people's conversations on a faceless Internet forum. You have taken someone else's stupid argument and picked it up. At least it saves you the embarrassment of not having to claim that stupid original post too.

You already have admitted you can't possibly be a Cardiff fan as you didnt know what position we finished to get promoted

Last season Newcastle finished 5th, qualifying for Europe. This year they've flirted with relegation. Every season is a clean sheet with past performances having no bearing whatsoever.

So I was right in my deduction that some believe we have caught up with the likes of man united

if we avoid relegation next season and swansea were relegated, who would have been the better team?

I didn't give an opinion, I asked a question. You stated we got from league 1 via the back door, but we didn't.

Nice dodging of the bollock you dropped.

I thought your opinion was that you have to win the league or you are going up through the back door. However it now seems you mean the playoffs. Yu do realise they don't give an extra place to the playoff teams don't you, it was taken away from the 3rd place team.

So swansea should have been promoted under the old rules but as a result had to play 3 more games. That's the opposite of the back door surely?

If they were 6th and got promoted, I'd see your angle.

Yep my mistake, we were 2nd. Always stuck in my mind 3rd but then of course 2nd came courtesy of a 9 pt deduction for c'field. But yes, 2nd.

Now back to your point. I never had any angle or gave any opinion. You said the jacks finishing 3rd and going up through the play offs wasn't the back door, yet Cardiff going up automatically from league 2 to league 1 (2nd place) was through the back door. All I've asked you is how you've come to that conclusion but as usual you dodge around the issue and make out I've said this and that. I've not mentioned anything about 6th or any opinion about Swansea.

So answer my question if you can, it's not a difficult one surely?

But you said only a Cardiff fan would know, which means you aren't, right?

How can you say I dodged the question when I answered I perfectly well? Paul what do you mean you don't have an opinion or angle? It was YOU that said swansea got promoted to the Prem via the back door where as Cardiff will be champions. THAT suggests that you could easily have meant only the champions of a league are worthy entrants into the league above, hence why I said we did it from league 2 to league 1.

However your objection led me to understand what you actually meant was play offs was "through the back door"... To which I went on to tell you that playoffs didnt create an extra place, it was taken away from the third placed club. If there were no play offs swansea would have been promoted automatically. The fact there was playoffs means they had to play an extra 3 games and come out on top, which they did. So your point is a bit of a silly one.

However in the interest of balance, I can see where you are coming from regarding that notion if the team promoted came outside the top 3, as they got promoted BECAUSE of the introduction of the play offs and given a second chance as it were. Just like our sixth placed finish and play off win to get to the championship.

Hope that's clear enough for you Carpe.

Here's an idea for you, why not read what I said and show me where I stated all what you say I did? For example, show me the post where I said "swansea got promoted to the Prem via the back door where as Cardiff will be champions"? And why are you calling me Paul? Up to your old lying tricks again and confusing posters which each other.

Seems Paxo has dropped a bollock too, in fact a couple

Is that clear enough for you Paxo?

This is a prime example of why you shouldn't jump into people's conversations on a faceless Internet forum. You have taken someone else's stupid argument and picked it up. At least it saves you the embarrassment of not having to claim that stupid original post too.

You already have admitted you can't possibly be a Cardiff fan as you didnt know what position we finished to get promoted

Guess that makes 2 of us then

Jumping in to someone else's arguments? He only made one post on playoffs so hardly a whole thread
Besides i only asked you a question for clarification (still not answered) but as usual you get all in a fluster and go off on one when proved wrong. And calling me Paul was no doubt related to another topic. So you've merged all sorts of people and topics together. Clearly going senile

Nice of you to admit you dropped a couple of bollocks though

I'm big enough to admit I made a mistake with saying 3rd. Of course it didn't change the point that you failed to answer my very first question. If im now not a Cardiff fan, ill go along with it if it makes you feel better. Perhaps I'm a jack just pretending to be a Cardiff fan - can you imagine how sad and pathetic that would be

Overall though I take it as a huge compliment that you feel you have to lie and falsely accuse me of posting things I haven't just to try and 'win' your silly little arguments. Yet you fail every time and look very very silly. I can feel you cringing and squirming from here

Over to you for the last word, you LIAR

Why quote everything when you know who you are talking to?

Last season Newcastle finished 5th, qualifying for Europe. This year they've flirted with relegation. Every season is a clean sheet with past performances having no bearing whatsoever.

So I was right in my deduction that some believe we have caught up with the likes of man united

if we avoid relegation next season and swansea were relegated, who would have been the better team?

Cardiff would have been the better team next season if that were the case.

Guess that makes 2 of us then

Jumping in to someone else's arguments? He only made one post on playoffs so hardly a whole thread
Besides i only asked you a question for clarification (still not answered) but as usual you get all in a fluster and go off on one when proved wrong. And calling me Paul was no doubt related to another topic. So you've merged all sorts of people and topics together. Clearly going senile

Nice of you to admit you dropped a couple of bollocks though

I'm big enough to admit I made a mistake with saying 3rd. Of course it didn't change the point that you failed to answer my very first question. If im now not a Cardiff fan, ill go along with it if it makes you feel better. Perhaps I'm a jack just pretending to be a Cardiff fan - can you imagine how sad and pathetic that would be

Overall though I take it as a huge compliment that you feel you have to lie and falsely accuse me of posting things I haven't just to try and 'win' your silly little arguments. Yet you fail every time and look very very silly. I can feel you cringing and squirming from here

Over to you for the last word, you LIAR

It's hardly a bollock dropped or a LIE, I just assumed it was you whom started it seeing as you were making such a song and dance about it... whether you wrote the initial statement or Barack Obama makes little difference to my post. I've answered your question each and every time however, I'm stunned as to why you keep saying it hasn't been answered.

However stating we were promoted in 3rd place and said if anyone got that wrong they weren't a Cardiff fan, only to get it wrong yourself is beyond incredible and also makes you a liar by your definition

Either way I'm clearly correct, Swansea were unlucky they had to do it through the play offs as it years gone by their position was worthy of automatic, so had to play an EXTRA 3 games and still went up. But I'm afraid you aren't going to live this one down jack, as you said yourself you can't be a Cardiff fan

Muppet.

Guess that makes 2 of us then

Jumping in to someone else's arguments? He only made one post on playoffs so hardly a whole thread
Besides i only asked you a question for clarification (still not answered) but as usual you get all in a fluster and go off on one when proved wrong. And calling me Paul was no doubt related to another topic. So you've merged all sorts of people and topics together. Clearly going senile

Nice of you to admit you dropped a couple of bollocks though

I'm big enough to admit I made a mistake with saying 3rd. Of course it didn't change the point that you failed to answer my very first question. If im now not a Cardiff fan, ill go along with it if it makes you feel better. Perhaps I'm a jack just pretending to be a Cardiff fan - can you imagine how sad and pathetic that would be

Overall though I take it as a huge compliment that you feel you have to lie and falsely accuse me of posting things I haven't just to try and 'win' your silly little arguments. Yet you fail every time and look very very silly. I can feel you cringing and squirming from here

Over to you for the last word, you LIAR

It's hardly a bollock dropped or a LIE, I just assumed it was you whom started it seeing as you were making such a song and dance about it... whether you wrote the initial statement or Barack Obama makes little difference to my post. I've answered your question each and every time however, I'm stunned as to why you keep saying it hasn't been answered.

However stating we were promoted in 3rd place and said if anyone got that wrong they weren't a Cardiff fan, only to get it wrong yourself is beyond incredible and also makes you a liar by your definition

Either way I'm clearly correct, Swansea were unlucky they had to do it through the play offs as it years gone by their position was worthy of automatic, so had to play an EXTRA 3 games and still went up. But I'm afraid you aren't going to live this one down jack, as you said yourself you can't be a Cardiff fan

Muppet.

'Mare

Guess that makes 2 of us then

Jumping in to someone else's arguments? He only made one post on playoffs so hardly a whole thread
Besides i only asked you a question for clarification (still not answered) but as usual you get all in a fluster and go off on one when proved wrong. And calling me Paul was no doubt related to another topic. So you've merged all sorts of people and topics together. Clearly going senile

Nice of you to admit you dropped a couple of bollocks though

I'm big enough to admit I made a mistake with saying 3rd. Of course it didn't change the point that you failed to answer my very first question. If im now not a Cardiff fan, ill go along with it if it makes you feel better. Perhaps I'm a jack just pretending to be a Cardiff fan - can you imagine how sad and pathetic that would be

Overall though I take it as a huge compliment that you feel you have to lie and falsely accuse me of posting things I haven't just to try and 'win' your silly little arguments. Yet you fail every time and look very very silly. I can feel you cringing and squirming from here

Over to you for the last word, you LIAR

It's hardly a bollock dropped or a LIE, I just assumed it was you whom started it seeing as you were making such a song and dance about it... whether you wrote the initial statement or Barack Obama makes little difference to my post. I've answered your question each and every time however, I'm stunned as to why you keep saying it hasn't been answered.

However stating we were promoted in 3rd place and said if anyone got that wrong they weren't a Cardiff fan, only to get it wrong yourself is beyond incredible and also makes you a liar by your definition

Either way I'm clearly correct, Swansea were unlucky they had to do it through the play offs as it years gone by their position was worthy of automatic, so had to play an EXTRA 3 games and still went up. But I'm afraid you aren't going to live this one down jack, as you said yourself you can't be a Cardiff fan

Muppet.

'Mare

Agreed NQAT.

How can any city fan think we finished 3rd