Giving up our badge and colour

No I said it was a "coincidence" almost like That you two always seem to sing in the same hymn sheet on the same threads.

Almost like a coincidence that you have been fighting his corner and now he is back to argue his own case.


I wouldn't insinuate that you are Paxman .


If I thought it, I would just say it..

Which is insinuating, otherwise there would be no need to post it.

Two people in the world have the same opinion - wow, what a shocker.

No I said it was a "coincidence" almost like That you two always seem to sing in the same hymn sheet on the same threads.

Almost like a coincidence that you have been fighting his corner and now he is back to argue his own case.


I wouldn't insinuate that you are Paxman .


If I thought it, I would just say it..

No need to argue my case, everyone knows what you have said isn't true. so again ill ask, where have I stated I hate the fans who have stayed?

The only one acting like a WUM on here is you. Nobody else is making stuff up.

Paxman, "it's just common sense"


Thing is About Common Sense is, it's not that Common.



You say you don't hate them and have not suggested it, but do say that they talk Bollox and judging by you view on them, you resent them for not walking away.

No I said it was a "coincidence" almost like That you two always seem to sing in the same hymn sheet on the same threads.

Almost like a coincidence that you have been fighting his corner and now he is back to argue his own case.


I wouldn't insinuate that you are Paxman .


If I thought it, I would just say it..

Which is insinuating, otherwise there would be no need to post it.

Two people in the world have the same opinion - wow, what a shocker.

As soon as someone can't take an opinion they know deep down is true they start to make stuff up, water off a ducks back now.

I think in the last 2 weeks I've been accused of being TLG, Roathy, You, Daya and Waddle. It's all good.

Paxman, "it's just common sense"


Thing is About Common Sense is, it's not that Common.



You say you don't hate them and have not suggested it, but do say that they talk Bollox and judging by you view on them, you resent them for not walking away.

First of all the first anicdode doesn't relate to what you are saying what so ever.

Secondly that is the biggest pile of nonsense I've ever read on here

Me saying someone is talking bollocks is akin to me saying I hate them?

No, I just think they are talking bollocks, much like what you are doing, hope this helps.

Ok pal... Whatever.



You don't like the current Cardiff city, you have stayed away for this reason.
Yet you join a Cardiff City forum halfway through the campaign to express your views.



END OF ARGUMENT.

Ok pal... Whatever.



You don't like the current Cardiff city, you have stayed away for this reason.
Yet you join a Cardiff City forum halfway through the campaign to express your views.



END OF ARGUMENT.

End of what argument?

The one you created based on stuff you made up? Great.

Back to the point, no it wasn't worth it. Unless of course you view premier league football over the well being of the club, then yes absolutely it's worth it.

No it wasnt worth it tbh it would have felt ten times better if we had stayed the same and then tan would be a legend but as it is he aint in many peoples eyes thats why supporting the team is all people can do as one

I don't think he really cares about being a legend, ££££'s is more his style

Ok pal... Whatever.



You don't like the current Cardiff city, you have stayed away for this reason.
Yet you join a Cardiff City forum halfway through the campaign to express your views.



END OF ARGUMENT.

End of what argument?

The one you created based on stuff you made up? Great.

Back to the point, no it wasn't worth it. Unless of course you view premier league football over the well being of the club, then yes absolutely it's worth it.

It also depends on an individuals viewpoint and how you define 'wellbeing'

Without Tan we would indeed play in a blue shirt but couldn't pay a tax/wage/even electric bills if he withdrew his funding. He would withdraw his funding IMO because his whole vision is based on us playing in red and using the Dragon as a unquie selling point in the Far East. The blue just doesn't do it (for him any way)

I have heard loads of theories about how apparently he is in to deep and wouldn't walk away. Apparently us the fans have him by the bollocks and he would do as we say rather than lose the £40m+ he has already invested.

I honestly think that is delusion, although I accept others will think its gold plated reasoning.

Myself I hate the red and I am amazed at how many fans wear it to home games. But I don't oppose the rebrand because I can see the logic of the long term benefits. That's called looking after the 'wellbeing' of our club IMO.

Others of course might disagree but to me their thinking that playing in blue is the be all and end all is completely reckless.

Ok pal... Whatever.



You don't like the current Cardiff city, you have stayed away for this reason.
Yet you join a Cardiff City forum halfway through the campaign to express your views.



END OF ARGUMENT.

End of what argument?

The one you created based on stuff you made up? Great.

Back to the point, no it wasn't worth it. Unless of course you view premier league football over the well being of the club, then yes absolutely it's worth it.

It also depends on an individuals viewpoint and how you define 'wellbeing'

Without Tan we would indeed play in a blue shirt but couldn't pay a tax/wage/even electric bills if he withdrew his funding. He would withdraw his funding IMO because his whole vision is based on us playing in red and using the Dragon as a unquie selling point in the Far East. The blue just doesn't do it (for him any way)

I have heard loads of theories about how apparently he is in to deep and wouldn't walk away. Apparently us the fans have him by the bollocks and he would do as we say rather than lose the £40m+ he has already invested.

I honestly think that is delusion, although I accept others will think its gold plated reasoning.

Myself I hate the red and I am amazed at how many fans wear it to home games. But I don't oppose the rebrand because I can see the logic of the long term benefits. That's called looking after the 'wellbeing' of our club IMO.

Others of course might disagree but to me their thinking that playing in blue is the be all and end all is completely reckless.

What are the long term benefits?

Not only are we red but we have continued to spend way beyond our means to the point where one relegation from the top flight could see us in a whole world of mess.

The tax bill would have been paid anyway. Tan initial loan wasn't on the condition we turned red. After his loan we could have had the option to exercise caution, sell players, renegotiate contracts, sell assets and sell land and deal with Hamam at a favourable rate,

Instead we continued to chase the dream, sign more expensive players on bigger contracts and asked tan to foot the bill. Which he did gladly at 7%. We are now got by the bollocks and he can literally do what he wants to us unopposed, which he has of course.

We as fans brought this on and don't think for a second we didnt. He even withdrew his plans and publicly said the rebrand was scrapped - the fans then went to him grovelling to do what he did. We had all the power yet chose a bit of limelight in exchange for making the club unrecognisable and defacing the club that stood for 100 years. Not getting around it.

People can stay, people can go - they have their own reasons and far be it from me to tell them. What doesn't wash however is someone who is continuing to go and enjoying the ride, while stating "I hate the rebrand". It's pathetic, false and wholly cringeworthy.

If you are man enough to stand by and watch this be done to us, man enough to admit you are supporting it. Simple.

Im enjoying the ride, i'm enjoying seeing people proved wrong, i'm enjoying looking at old posts where people said we were more likely to be relegated this year, i'm enjoying seeing our stadium sold out, i'm enjoying seeing our season tickets already sold out for next year and most of all i am going to enjoy Cardiff City in the Premier League whatever happens.

Im enjoying the ride, i'm enjoying seeing people proved wrong, i'm enjoying looking at old posts where people said we were more likely to be relegated this year, i'm enjoying seeing our stadium sold out, i'm enjoying seeing our season tickets already sold out for next year and most of all i am going to enjoy Cardiff City in the Premier League whatever happens.

So you are in favour of and support the rebrand - that's fine.

This thread should be deleted, We are on the brink of the biggest achievement in Cardiff City history, Why can't we leave the rebrand aside for a few weeks and get behind Malky and the players ffs

This thread should be deleted, We are on the brink of the biggest achievement in Cardiff City history, Why can't we leave the rebrand aside for a few weeks and get behind Malky and the players ffs

Both can be done quite easily.

Im enjoying the ride, i'm enjoying seeing people proved wrong, i'm enjoying looking at old posts where people said we were more likely to be relegated this year, i'm enjoying seeing our stadium sold out, i'm enjoying seeing our season tickets already sold out for next year and most of all i am going to enjoy Cardiff City in the Premier League whatever happens.

So you are in favour of and support the rebrand - that's fine.

I prefer to call it supporting the team. I have no strong views either way on anything else. These are exciting times to be a City supporter and at the moment i am living the dream.

Im enjoying the ride, i'm enjoying seeing people proved wrong, i'm enjoying looking at old posts where people said we were more likely to be relegated this year, i'm enjoying seeing our stadium sold out, i'm enjoying seeing our season tickets already sold out for next year and most of all i am going to enjoy Cardiff City in the Premier League whatever happens.

So you are in favour of and support the rebrand - that's fine.

I prefer to call it supporting the team. I have no strong views either way on anything else. These are exciting times to be a City supporter and at the moment i am living the dream.

I don't care what you prefer to call it, I'm telling you how it is.

If you wear a fur coat and enjoy it, you are not against fur. You hand over your cash to tan and enjoy what you get then you aren't against the rebrand. Simple.

I don't own a fur coat.

I don't own a fur coat.

I didnt say you did.

I don't own a fur coat.

I didnt say you did.

I don't own a fur coat but don't mind fur coats. So does that make me for them or against them?

I don't own a fur coat.

I didnt say you did.

I don't own a fur coat but don't mind fur coats. So does that make me for them or against them?

It means you don't care. But far from against them.

Thats what i said originally then.

Thats what i said originally then.

You didnt say a anything originally, other than you enjoying it all and have no views on it.

I simply made the point that you certainly aren't against the rebrand. Don't know what you are complaining about really.

I'm glad some one has raised this issue to be honest..

We've gone all season without mentioning it..

I don't own a fur coat.

I didnt say you did.

I don't own a fur coat but don't mind fur coats. So does that make me for them or against them?

It means you don't care. But far from against them.

out of interest roathy sorry paxman is that a tie in your avatar or michael laudrups cock just slipped out of your mouth

I'm glad some one has raised this issue to be honest..

We've gone all season without mentioning it..

Bout time someone laughed at that comment..

I though it was hilarious at the time....

I'm glad some one has raised this issue to be honest..

We've gone all season without mentioning it..

Bout time someone laughed at that comment..

I though it was hilarious at the time....

Glad to be of service

I'd take non-league football to be back in blue again, but I can't do anything about it so I'm just going to enjoy it.

Of course you can, the fact people say this takes away the fans voice. If everybody decided to vote plaid Cymru then they would be in power, the fact people say "I would vote plaid but nobody else will so ill vote labour" means that what they actually want WILL NEVER happen. It's all about taking stands.

If you are going to enjoy it then I don't see how you would give anything to be back in blue, just clearly a soundbite used by people trying to mask them advocating it. If you enjoy it then you enjoy it, great - but dont pretend like you are against it because if you are enjoying it and actively showing your support for it then I'm afraid - against it you ain't.

I make my own personal stand by wearing blue to every game.

I'm against the rebrand but I'm a Cardiff City supporter. It's as simple as that.

I'd take non-league football to be back in blue again, but I can't do anything about it so I'm just going to enjoy it.

You have never seen anything lower than the championship. I hve watched cardiff in league one and two and its utter gash non league would be terrible your better off waiting and hoping we get changed back to blue one day

Because I haven't had a choice. My point is that the standard of football doesn't matter, I'll always support Cardiff no matter how shit we are. I care about our traditions/heritage etc before success unlike you.

I'd take non-league football to be back in blue again, but I can't do anything about it so I'm just going to enjoy it.

Of course you can, the fact people say this takes away the fans voice. If everybody decided to vote plaid Cymru then they would be in power, the fact people say "I would vote plaid but nobody else will so ill vote labour" means that what they actually want WILL NEVER happen. It's all about taking stands.

If you are going to enjoy it then I don't see how you would give anything to be back in blue, just clearly a soundbite used by people trying to mask them advocating it. If you enjoy it then you enjoy it, great - but dont pretend like you are against it because if you are enjoying it and actively showing your support for it then I'm afraid - against it you ain't.

I make my own personal stand by wearing blue to every game.

I'm against the rebrand but I'm a Cardiff City supporter. It's as simple as that.

Jon, I know we're on different sides of the rebrand debate, but I fully respect your position and you're doing nothing wrong by attending the games and wearing blue to every game (in the same way that I hope you respect my right to do the opposite by wearing red to every game). Your position is an entirely honourable one and I fully respect you for advocating it in the way you do.

However, Paxman (Roathy) is just a Jack winding you up - just ignore him (I have put him on "ignore", so never see his posts, unless they're attached to someone else's post like you did with yours above).

Don't let someone like him take away from a great occasion for you tomorrow - The City are going up, and the little Jack doesn't like it one little bit, as we'll soon be much bigger than his little team.

Thankfully, I won't see his response to this

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I'd take non-league football to be back in blue again, but I can't do anything about it so I'm just going to enjoy it.

You have never seen anything lower than the championship. I hve watched cardiff in league one and two and its utter gash non league would be terrible your better off waiting and hoping we get changed back to blue one day

Because I haven't had a choice. My point is that the standard of football doesn't matter, I'll always support Cardiff no matter how shit we are. I care about our traditions/heritage etc before success unlike you.

This is where i struggle to understand. You'll always support ccfc no matter how shit we are and you care about heritage not success, yet you on another thread saying how you cant wait until tomorrow....