KEEP CALM AND CARRY ON

I think this season is one of the toughest Championships ever...

No whipping boys - Bristol City bottom of league and they are not that bad a side.

Tight midfield to league - Only a 13 point gap right now between 6th and 22nd.

Promoted teams struggling - sign of strength as much as weakness...everyone predicted good seasons for Bolton & Wolves with their strong squads and relative financial security to other relegated teams in the past such as Portsmouth. Blackburn might be run horribly but did splash the cash.

Investment - teams such as Hull, Leicester, Blackburn, Forest and ourselves benefiting with large investment and quality signings. Watford also benefitting from their Italian owners of a top Serie A side.

Top sides in relegation fight - Who would have thought Wolves, Ipswich, Leeds be down there.

Youth - Palace's top youth system with Zaha off to Man Utd for £10m in summer. Young stars also being blooded at Derby & Leeds etc.

There isn't a game this season where I have thought 'easy win' for City.

Also promoted teams struggling (promoted in previous post meant relegated)

Norwich & Soton secured double promotions in last two seasons, all three sides from L1 not even near play-offs and in relegation fight - Charlton, Sheff Wed & Huddersfield (despite investment!)

I think this season is one of the toughest Championships ever...

No whipping boys - Bristol City bottom of league and they are not that bad a side.

Tight midfield to league - Only a 13 point gap right now between 6th and 22nd.

Promoted teams struggling - sign of strength as much as weakness...everyone predicted good seasons for Bolton & Wolves with their strong squads and relative financial security to other relegated teams in the past such as Portsmouth. Blackburn might be run horribly but did splash the cash.

Investment - teams such as Hull, Leicester, Blackburn, Forest and ourselves benefiting with large investment and quality signings. Watford also benefitting from their Italian owners of a top Serie A side.

Top sides in relegation fight - Who would have thought Wolves, Ipswich, Leeds be down there.

Youth - Palace's top youth system with Zaha off to Man Utd for £10m in summer. Young stars also being blooded at Derby & Leeds etc.

There isn't a game this season where I have thought 'easy win' for City.

And if you believe that you will believe anything.

Whether it is a strong or weak league is open to conjecture. What is undoubted though is that Cardiff City, The Bluebirds are by far the best team in this league this year.

I think this season is one of the toughest Championships ever...

No whipping boys - Bristol City bottom of league and they are not that bad a side.

Tight midfield to league - Only a 13 point gap right now between 6th and 22nd.

Promoted teams struggling - sign of strength as much as weakness...everyone predicted good seasons for Bolton & Wolves with their strong squads and relative financial security to other relegated teams in the past such as Portsmouth. Blackburn might be run horribly but did splash the cash.

Investment - teams such as Hull, Leicester, Blackburn, Forest and ourselves benefiting with large investment and quality signings. Watford also benefitting from their Italian owners of a top Serie A side.

Top sides in relegation fight - Who would have thought Wolves, Ipswich, Leeds be down there.

Youth - Palace's top youth system with Zaha off to Man Utd for £10m in summer. Young stars also being blooded at Derby & Leeds etc.

There isn't a game this season where I have thought 'easy win' for City.

A thoughtful post and I think you are right in your conclusion.
It helps that you actually go to matches so that you can make an informed judgement unlike the resident keyboard sociopath.

I think this season is one of the toughest Championships ever...

No whipping boys - Bristol City bottom of league and they are not that bad a side.

Tight midfield to league - Only a 13 point gap right now between 6th and 22nd.

Promoted teams struggling - sign of strength as much as weakness...everyone predicted good seasons for Bolton & Wolves with their strong squads and relative financial security to other relegated teams in the past such as Portsmouth. Blackburn might be run horribly but did splash the cash.

Investment - teams such as Hull, Leicester, Blackburn, Forest and ourselves benefiting with large investment and quality signings. Watford also benefitting from their Italian owners of a top Serie A side.

Top sides in relegation fight - Who would have thought Wolves, Ipswich, Leeds be down there.

Youth - Palace's top youth system with Zaha off to Man Utd for £10m in summer. Young stars also being blooded at Derby & Leeds etc.

There isn't a game this season where I have thought 'easy win' for City.

A thoughtful post and I think you are right in your conclusion.
It helps that you actually go to matches so that you can make an informed judgement unlike the resident keyboard sociopath.

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We are currently being the beneficiaries of the relegated Prem teams being in turmoil and the quality of this league takingna nose dive. I can't believe our luck. We have played well a handful of times this year and are top by 7 points! Our closest rivals are the likes of Hull, Watford and Crystal Palace

In honesty we have probably got enough points now to go up. But we are going to pretty much need a whole new team to compete next year.

Spot on the standard this year is really bad,just posted on another thread,that tan thinks we only need 3 signings next season,if we go up,how wrong is he?,if we don't strengthen big,then we are in for a very bad year,that's if we actually go up

if he thinks that then we will break the record for lowest points in the prem

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We are currently being the beneficiaries of the relegated Prem teams being in turmoil and the quality of this league takingna nose dive. I can't believe our luck. We have played well a handful of times this year and are top by 7 points! Our closest rivals are the likes of Hull, Watford and Crystal Palace

In honesty we have probably got enough points now to go up. But we are going to pretty much need a whole new team to compete next year.

Spot on the standard this year is really bad,just posted on another thread,that tan thinks we only need 3 signings next season,if we go up,how wrong is he?,if we don't strengthen big,then we are in for a very bad year,that's if we actually go up

if he thinks that then we will break the record for lowest points in the prem

This ^^^^^^

May I ask, Are you actually a Cardiff fan?? I ask because you seem ever so negative about us.

I think this season is one of the toughest Championships ever...

No whipping boys - Bristol City bottom of league and they are not that bad a side.

Tight midfield to league - Only a 13 point gap right now between 6th and 22nd.

Promoted teams struggling - sign of strength as much as weakness...everyone predicted good seasons for Bolton & Wolves with their strong squads and relative financial security to other relegated teams in the past such as Portsmouth. Blackburn might be run horribly but did splash the cash.

Investment - teams such as Hull, Leicester, Blackburn, Forest and ourselves benefiting with large investment and quality signings. Watford also benefitting from their Italian owners of a top Serie A side.

Top sides in relegation fight - Who would have thought Wolves, Ipswich, Leeds be down there.

Youth - Palace's top youth system with Zaha off to Man Utd for £10m in summer. Young stars also being blooded at Derby & Leeds etc.

There isn't a game this season where I have thought 'easy win' for City.

And if you believe that you will believe anything.

Thanks for your detailed post explaining why I'm wrong... !

Why you are wrong is obvious and has already been explained. Two of the relegated teams are in turmoil and within a point from the relegation zone. The other one isn't very good. Normally at least 2 of the relegated teams boss it. We haven't played well for large periods of time this season and find ourselves run away leaders. Hull are also poor and are second. Watford are full of another teams seconds and are 3rd and crystal palace are 4th It's a poor league, the quality is terrible and being acknowledged in most corners in fairness.

Why you are wrong is obvious and has already been explained. Two of the relegated teams are in turmoil and within a point from the relegation zone. The other one isn't very good. Normally at least 2 of the relegated teams boss it. We haven't played well for large periods of time this season and find ourselves run away leaders. Hull are also poor and are second. Watford are full of another teams seconds and are 3rd and crystal palace are 4th It's a poor league, the quality is terrible and being acknowledged in most corners in fairness.

This is the guy who at the start of the season thought we were more likely to be relegated than promoted. Let's face facts he hasn't got a Scoobie Doo.

Why you are wrong is obvious and has already been explained. Two of the relegated teams are in turmoil and within a point from the relegation zone. The other one isn't very good. Normally at least 2 of the relegated teams boss it. We haven't played well for large periods of time this season and find ourselves run away leaders. Hull are also poor and are second. Watford are full of another teams seconds and are 3rd and crystal palace are 4th It's a poor league, the quality is terrible and being acknowledged in most corners in fairness.

Where has this been explained?? You gave me a one sentence reply.

So how does the fact the relegated teams are not doing well when they usually 'boss it' prove the league is bad. I would say it shows the strength of the league.

Rubbish that we haven't played well, and how would you know since you claim to have not seen Cardiff play since they moved to CCS!!!

We haven't often played free flowing, attacking football. But we have defended very well, kept it solid and had enough quality to nick a goal or two more often than not. The same thing gets levelled at Man Utd, are they a poor side?

Watford have one of the top sides in Italy's seconds...Hull have had foreign investment and bought in internationals and Palace have some of the top youngsters in the FL, one on his way to Man Utd.

Show me some proof of this 'acknowledgement'?

question you should be asking is? why is it that teams who come down from premier keep most of their premier players but still don't do well? most seasons this happens ncastle the exception! the other thing is not many premier teams go strait back up! which to me indicates the premier is not that good. or champs is better than is being said here, or is it both? and anyone who says city will be relegated are being very psychic as nobody knows what players if any we will buy, so they cant possibly know how good or bad we will be!

Why you are wrong is obvious and has already been explained. Two of the relegated teams are in turmoil and within a point from the relegation zone. The other one isn't very good. Normally at least 2 of the relegated teams boss it. We haven't played well for large periods of time this season and find ourselves run away leaders. Hull are also poor and are second. Watford are full of another teams seconds and are 3rd and crystal palace are 4th It's a poor league, the quality is terrible and being acknowledged in most corners in fairness.

Where has this been explained?? You gave me a one sentence reply.

So how does the fact the relegated teams are not doing well when they usually 'boss it' prove the league is bad. I would say it shows the strength of the league.

Rubbish that we haven't played well, and how would you know since you claim to have not seen Cardiff play since they moved to CCS!!!

We haven't often played free flowing, attacking football. But we have defended very well, kept it solid and had enough quality to nick a goal or two more often than not. The same thing gets levelled at Man Utd, are they a poor side?

Watford have one of the top sides in Italy's seconds...Hull have had foreign investment and bought in internationals and Palace have some of the top youngsters in the FL, one on his way to Man Utd.

Show me some proof of this 'acknowledgement'?

You're right. He dismisses Hull as being a poor side with nothing to support it whatsoever. He also seems to have an issue with Palace, yet they have 2 of the best wingers in the division and a 30 goal striker, not to mention a manager who knows how to get out of the division. In recent years Norwich and the saints went straight through the division after promotion from league 1 - what happened to the ex-prem sides bossing it then?
Bolton, Blackburn and wolves kept the core of their squads together. Their relative failure this season is a measure of the strength of the league. And to accuse Cardiff of not playing well all season yet winning merely shows himself up as someone who hasn't seen many, if any games.

Why you are wrong is obvious and has already been explained. Two of the relegated teams are in turmoil and within a point from the relegation zone. The other one isn't very good. Normally at least 2 of the relegated teams boss it. We haven't played well for large periods of time this season and find ourselves run away leaders. Hull are also poor and are second. Watford are full of another teams seconds and are 3rd and crystal palace are 4th It's a poor league, the quality is terrible and being acknowledged in most corners in fairness.

This is the guy who at the start of the season thought we were more likely to be relegated than promoted. Let's face facts he hasn't got a Scoobie Doo.

Quote me. You won't be able to because you are lying.

You are referring to another poster who said if the same team is kept we will be more likely relegated than promoted as after Christmas the form was hat of a relegation team, Malky then spent the best part of £15m and brought in 16 players. Clearly he seemed to think similarly.

But top marks for trying

Why you are wrong is obvious and has already been explained. Two of the relegated teams are in turmoil and within a point from the relegation zone. The other one isn't very good. Normally at least 2 of the relegated teams boss it. We haven't played well for large periods of time this season and find ourselves run away leaders. Hull are also poor and are second. Watford are full of another teams seconds and are 3rd and crystal palace are 4th It's a poor league, the quality is terrible and being acknowledged in most corners in fairness.

Where has this been explained?? You gave me a one sentence reply.

So how does the fact the relegated teams are not doing well when they usually 'boss it' prove the league is bad. I would say it shows the strength of the league.

Rubbish that we haven't played well, and how would you know since you claim to have not seen Cardiff play since they moved to CCS!!!

We haven't often played free flowing, attacking football. But we have defended very well, kept it solid and had enough quality to nick a goal or two more often than not. The same thing gets levelled at Man Utd, are they a poor side?

Watford have one of the top sides in Italy's seconds...Hull have had foreign investment and bought in internationals and Palace have some of the top youngsters in the FL, one on his way to Man Utd.

Show me some proof of this 'acknowledgement'?

It was explained in the thread prior to you entering it, I assumed you read it

The fact two of the relegated teams are struggling in relegation trouble isn't a sign of the weakness of the league, it is a sign of the weakness of those teams. They are in turmoil playing crap football - ask their fans.... And as a result the league is weaker as the premier league teams that get relegated usually have enough about then to go straight back up - these dont. It's a freak year.

I have never said I haven't seen Cardiff play since the rebrand, I said I haven't entered the stadium since the rebrand, we are on a live stream almost weekly. If you think we have played well this season then you clearly don't know what playing well means. Not only do I have is opinion but so do most. Ill happily find you thread upon thread of is exact subject being discussed by fellow fans talking as if its a known and accepted fact. I find it strange you would try to argue even that point.

Now onto the teams you are claiming are powerhouses - Watford.... Udinese are 9th in an ever weakening Serie A league showing the effects of being starved of money. It is far weaker than the premier league. Are you suggesting Swansea's reserve team could be automatically promoted from the championship? Well if so then you are strengthening my point as Swansea played a stronger side than their reserves and got thumped about 5-0 to Liverpool who were pret much level on points with them at the time. Crystal palace - zaha was there last year too and they finished 17th and I'm not sure how you can make an argument that hull are a good side.

I'm sorry but you are flogging a dead horse here, most people realise it's a weak league this year. If you want to pretend its not and we are dominating teams week in week out and watfords mix of championship players and reserve 9th on Serie A players and crystal palace are immense outfits then you carry on, but it's clear to see they are not.

The fact two of the relegated teams are struggling in relegation trouble isn't a sign of the weakness of the league, it is a sign of the weakness of those teams. They are in turmoil playing crap football - ask their fans.... And as a result the league is weaker as the premier league teams that get relegated usually have enough about then to go straight back up - these dont. It's a freak year.

Only Blackburn could be argued to be in turmoil and they spent over £10m on their team to go back up! Bolton & Wolves have been found wanting at this level and it's only your opinion that it's their weakness, my opinion is that it is the leagues strength and I think most people here back me up.

I have never said I haven't seen Cardiff play since the rebrand, I said I haven't entered the stadium since the rebrand, we are on a live stream almost weekly. If you think we have played well this season then you clearly don't know what playing well means. Not only do I have is opinion but so do most. Ill happily find you thread upon thread of is exact subject being discussed by fellow fans talking as if its a known and accepted fact. I find it strange you would try to argue even that point.

We are top of the league...we have obviously played well. What people mean when they say that is that we have rarely dominated games or played freeflowing attacking football. But there is more to football than that.

Now onto the teams you are claiming are powerhouses - Watford.... Udinese are 9th in an ever weakening Serie A league showing the effects of being starved of money. It is far weaker than the premier league. Are you suggesting Swansea's reserve team could be automatically promoted from the championship? Well if so then you are strengthening my point as Swansea played a stronger side than their reserves and got thumped about 5-0 to Liverpool who were pret much level on points with them at the time. Crystal palace - zaha was there last year too and they finished 17th and I'm not sure how you can make an argument that hull are a good side.

Udinese were in the Champs League in the last two seasons...Yes but this is some of Udineses best young players such as Vydra. Imagine some of Swans best youngsters dropping down such as Ben Davies, he is playing excellently for Wales and in the Premier League so would easily dominate in the Championship.

Zaha has come on a bit since last year. Hull are second in the league and contain many internationals, can't be that bad.

I'm sorry but you are flogging a dead horse here, most people realise it's a weak league this year. If you want to pretend its not and we are dominating teams week in week out and watfords mix of championship players and reserve 9th on Serie A players and crystal palace are immense outfits then you carry on, but it's clear to see they are not

Everyone on here appears to agree with me....I can see that you are actually just a very negative City fan who can't give the team the credit they are due.

The fact two of the relegated teams are struggling in relegation trouble isn't a sign of the weakness of the league, it is a sign of the weakness of those teams. They are in turmoil playing crap football - ask their fans.... And as a result the league is weaker as the premier league teams that get relegated usually have enough about then to go straight back up - these dont. It's a freak year.

Only Blackburn could be argued to be in turmoil and they spent over £10m on their team to go back up! Bolton & Wolves have been found wanting at this level and it's only your opinion that it's their weakness, my opinion is that it is the leagues strength and I think most people here back me up.

I have never said I haven't seen Cardiff play since the rebrand, I said I haven't entered the stadium since the rebrand, we are on a live stream almost weekly. If you think we have played well this season then you clearly don't know what playing well means. Not only do I have is opinion but so do most. Ill happily find you thread upon thread of is exact subject being discussed by fellow fans talking as if its a known and accepted fact. I find it strange you would try to argue even that point.

We are top of the league...we have obviously played well. What people mean when they say that is that we have rarely dominated games or played freeflowing attacking football. But there is more to football than that.

Now onto the teams you are claiming are powerhouses - Watford.... Udinese are 9th in an ever weakening Serie A league showing the effects of being starved of money. It is far weaker than the premier league. Are you suggesting Swansea's reserve team could be automatically promoted from the championship? Well if so then you are strengthening my point as Swansea played a stronger side than their reserves and got thumped about 5-0 to Liverpool who were pret much level on points with them at the time. Crystal palace - zaha was there last year too and they finished 17th and I'm not sure how you can make an argument that hull are a good side.

Udinese were in the Champs League in the last two seasons...Yes but this is some of Udineses best young players such as Vydra. Imagine some of Swans best youngsters dropping down such as Ben Davies, he is playing excellently for Wales and in the Premier League so would easily dominate in the Championship.

Zaha has come on a bit since last year. Hull are second in the league and contain many internationals, can't be that bad.

I'm sorry but you are flogging a dead horse here, most people realise it's a weak league this year. If you want to pretend its not and we are dominating teams week in week out and watfords mix of championship players and reserve 9th on Serie A players and crystal palace are immense outfits then you carry on, but it's clear to see they are not

Everyone on here appears to agree with me....I can see that you are actually just a very negative City fan who can't give the team the credit they are due.

1) you are suggesting that instead of relegated prem teams dominating the league they are now relegation threatened because the league is even stronger than most years and this is why they are struggling which if course means everyone above those teams are now better than the QPR, west ham and Newcastle teams of seasons gone by? You door raise how ridiculous your opinion sounds don't you?

2) that's a ridiculous way to look at it. Top so must have played well how come blackburn are 19th then because they are amazing arent they? In most games we have had less chances and possession than the opponents, we are a hard working team and have had generous slices of luck as well as good grinding our skills. A team that possesses this is usually good for a play off run but as the relegated teams and big guns aren't firing that has helped the likes of us, hull, Watford and palace now have a crack at autos.

3) Ben Davies is in Swansea first team you muppet. It's like giving us jazz Richards, Curtis obeng, Darnell situ, David Cornell etc. and yes they would struggle big time in a normal championship year. Zaha has come on a bit? Watch palace much do you? Zaha is the same but miraculously palace have gone from 17th in an excellent league to now apparently a chance for automatic promotion from the hardest championship of all time

4) no, about 3 people have agreed with you who are notorious for saying the opposite to what I say. I then transferred 4 comments from another thread so I continue to have the majority agree with me. I think your notion is ridiculous, the majority believe we have taken advantage of a pretty freak year. That's not being negative, it's being realistic. Whats the point in making up that is is e strongest league ever and we are playing phenomenal stuff just to display faux positivity, everyone would know it wasn't true. People are only trying to fool themselves.

As I said I will continue to show you thread after thread and comment after comment on how we haven't played we.l and how this league is poor if you wish? You can also do the same and I promise you, you will run out first.

We are currently being the beneficiaries of the relegated Prem teams being in turmoil and the quality of this league takingna nose dive. I can't believe our luck. We have played well a handful of times this year and are top by 7 points! Our closest rivals are the likes of Hull, Watford and Crystal Palace

In honesty we have probably got enough points now to go up. But we are going to pretty much need a whole new team to compete next year.

Spot on the standard this year is really bad,just posted on another thread,that tan thinks we only need 3 signings next season,if we go up,how wrong is he?,if we don't strengthen big,then we are in for a very bad year,that's if we actually go up

if he thinks that then we will break the record for lowest points in the prem

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May I ask, Are you actually a Cardiff fan?? I ask because you seem ever so negative about us.

No he is not a Cardiff City supporter.

Interesting theory

Relative strength of the league from this year over any other given year is impossible to prove and is open to opinions. However if we deal in facts like some claim to like to do then it is a fact Cardiff City are the best club in this league so far this year.
We are going up!!!!!!!!

Relative strength of the league from this year over any other given year is impossible to prove and is open to opinions. However if we deal in facts like some claim to like to do then it is a fact Cardiff City are the best club in this league so far this year.
We are going up!!!!!!!!

Not really, it's like saying you can't say messi is better than ginola. I'm afraid the contrast of this seasons league and championships of the norm is glaringly obvious.

It is only obvious to you it seems. Certainly not to me anyway. I've really enjoyed this season and no amount of sniping and cheap digs at the quality of the opposition is going to take that away from us.
We are going up!!!!!!!!!

It is only obvious to you it seems. Certainly not to me anyway. I've really enjoyed this season and no amount of sniping and cheap digs at the quality of the opposition is going to take that away from us.
We are going up!!!!!!!!!

Obvious to almost everyone. As I've said I'd quite welcome someone to copy and paste threads marking how well we are playing and ill copy and paste reads saying we are not, we can also add posts claiming how strong this league is and I shall add posts claiming how much weaker than normal it is. You would run out first.

As for enjoyment, that's great. I enjoyed division 3 but the quality was dire,

Some people are going to have to get used to the fact that Cardiff City are joining the football elite. No amount of negativity is going to change that. The little digs and barbed remarks from some quarters has made it all the more enjoyable for me as it clearly shows it is hurting some people greatly.
We are going up!!!!!!!

Some people are going to have to get used to the fact that Cardiff City are joining the football elite. No amount of negativity is going to change that. The little digs and barbed remarks from some quarters has made it all the more enjoyable for me as it clearly shows it is hurting some people greatly.
We are going up!!!!!!!

I'm sure people will get used to it, I'm not aware of any clubs having any sort of problem with our club - apart from a rivalry wi Swansea that is. The fact your interpreting reality and sense for barbed remarks and digs says more about the inadequacy ex you feel about the club you support rather than any alterior trait from me.

To say its a weak championship is just stating the obvious I'm afraid. Still no taking the little challenge I set then?

Other people's opinions are irrelevant as i'm dealing in facts. This season has been the most enjoyable for me ever and i'm looking forward to seeing the Welsh capital side in the EPL. Long overdue in my opinion and boy am i going to enjoy it. Then next year we can see how Cardiff City progress and whether indeed they are a match for the big boys.
Week in, week out of nearly 30000 crowds and a team i am proud to call my own. Don't know about you but i can't wait?

Other people's opinions are irrelevant as i'm dealing in facts. This season has been the most enjoyable for me ever and i'm looking forward to seeing the Welsh capital side in the EPL. Long overdue in my opinion and boy am i going to enjoy it. Then next year we can see how Cardiff City progress and whether indeed they are a match for the big boys.
Week in, week out of nearly 30000 crowds and a team i am proud to call my own. Don't know about you but i can't wait?

What facts? We know Cardiff are top, we know Cardiff are premiership bound, we know you have enjoyed this season.

Who has tried to debate that apart from you?

What has been debated is the strength of the league and it's obvious to most that it's weak. Simple as that.

Ok, we'll agree to disagree.

Cardiff City champions elect 2013.