OK Coleman POLL

Honestly... GUYS I WANTED RAY AND THEN CURRENT STAFF TO FINISH THE JOB THEY STARTED.
My opinion...

NOTHING AGAINTS COOKIE, JUST DON'T THINK HE IS UP TO MANGER ABILITY.
My opinion.

Had Speed been sacked the fair enough change it all..
But given the circumstances I felt it was unjust to stop all the work and start again.
And Ify memory serves me correct some players also felt this way.

Again MY OPINION.

If you don't agree with it then fine but don't attempt to change it.

Ray was a clown but an excellent conditioning coach, he lied on his CV and has no managerial experience what so ever. But you are entitled to want him.

Coleman has a good managerial record, this isn't really down to interpretation or opinion - it's fact. He has a better CV than Speed and Dutch Ray combined.

Nobody is trying to change your opinion as much as trying to understand it. One one hand you are saying Coleman didnt have a good record but refusing to explain why apart from (sacked, quit etc) yet want Ray who quit his only semi managerial position in his career without the success Coleman had.

Just explain your point a bit better, that's what a discussion is all about.

PAXMAN.

You have hounded my post all night.
You have repeated yourself all night.
You claim to have won this debate now? Okay mate.
Yet the only thread that started with the words " I blame Coleman " you have failed to post on.
Which tells me There is clearly an ulterior motive behind you posts.viewtopic.php?f=2&t=108430
And judging by the fact I have on 3 occasions asked you a simple question that you have not answered at any time I will just leave it there.

Hate to say it but I got to back Roathie on this one.

FFS when will people realise we are football minnows? We haven't qualified for f**k all since 1958, granted we were robbed in 2004. Our expectations should be top 4 in every group realistically and we shouldn't be smashed. Hate to say it but it's more about performances than results for us.

Whoever is saying he ought to be sacked tell me who you want to replace him? Because the FAW do not have a pot to piss in and not many people WANT to manage Wales. It was Coleman or Hartson, and the FAW did well to pick Cookie.

PAXMAN.

You have hounded my post all night.
You have repeated yourself all night.
You claim to have won this debate now? Okay mate.
Yet the only thread that started with the words " I blame Coleman " you have failed to post on.
Which tells me There is clearly an ulterior motive behind you posts.viewtopic.php?f=2&t=108430
And judging by the fact I have on 3 occasions asked you a simple question that you have not answered at any time I will just leave it there.

I havent hounded you, we have entered a discussion. I also haven't claimed to have won anything.

I'm simply asking you to explain your point of view. I have answered every question you asked of me yet failed to answer any of mine, I'm happy to answer one of I've missed it but it would be polite to answer some of mine too.

It's all well and good having an opinion, but as soon as you start trying to change the course of history to back up that opinion is where the issue lies.

So again, what makes you feel colemans previous reigns were not anything but resounding successes (Coventry apart).

Back to square one...

"WHAT DO YOU SEE ON COOKIES CV THAT MAKES YOU THINK HE CAN BE A SUCCESS FOR A NATIONAL MANAGER?"

Honestly mun, no quotes or stats just your opinion...

To be honest now the only thread put up tonight blaming cookie is the only welsh thread you haven't defended him on.

So you want to know what on his CV makes him be a good manager yet you don't want me to use stats or explain my reasoning in any way?

Fulham - favourites for relegation - he guided them to 9th place finish. Next season Fayed sells all their stars and he still keeps them in the Prem - then fayed sacks him.

Sociadad - favourites to go down again yet he steers them to 5th in La Liga and only losing 1 of his previous 11 before a dispute with the new president forces him to resign.

Coventry - couldn't turn them around and could be deemed as a failed move.

Larissa - leads em to top of the league only losing 1 in 14 only conceding 3 and scoring 16 but a dispute of finances led him to resign which led to riots and road blocks due to his popularity.


I don't understand what you don't get? Because he didnt win the league with Fulham? Didnt win La Liga with Sociadad?

When were sociadad in la liga under Coleman? I think if you actually had a knowledge of things, apart from a wiki cut and paste degree you'd know that they were in the segunda div and spent 3 seasons there.

Coleman is an average manager for me, doesn't upset the faw Applecart like Hughes could/did.

Wales won't qualify for a tournament with him, but realistically who is out there that will take the job and actually improve us?

13 mins from beating a top team in the world is good enough for you is it?

Said on the weekend don't read to much into the back to back wins against Jox as they're poor.


We were only kept in the game by some outstanding goalkeeping at times.

Best teams take there chances.

Wales 1 Croatia 2 was a fair result in my opinion.

We are Wales you plank. Of course giving a team in the top 10 a run for their money is good enough. Our pool of players is minute once we get an injury we are in trouble. Today Joe Allen and Aaron Ramsey were missing from the heart of our team and we lead Croatia until the 77th minute. If you are expecting us to beat teams like that then you are a fruit loop with no grasp on reality.... On to Coleman:-


Chris Coleman,,..


Fulham

Coleman joined Fulham's coaching staff in October 2002 under Tigana. He later succeeded the Frenchman as caretaker manager in April 2003, and steered Fulham away from relegation danger. He was named as Fulham's permanent manager in May 2003, beating the more experienced Klaus Toppmöller and George Burley to the post, and also became the youngest manager in the Premier League.[4]
His first full season in charge saw Fulham finish a surprise ninth place, as many pundits tipped them to struggle and for Coleman to be sacked.[5] Many of Fulham's key players, such as Edwin van der Sar, Louis Saha, Steed Malbranque and Luis Boa Morte, were sold in the following years and Fulham did not repeat their earlier successes under Coleman though he kept them clear of relegation. He was sacked in April 2007, after Fulham went on a seven game winless run.[6]


Real Sociedad

Coleman moved abroad to manage recently relegated Segunda División side Real Sociedad in June 2007, after being recommended to the club by fellow Welshman and former Real Sociedad manager John Toshack.[7] He was linked with Bolton Wanderers in October 2007[8] though nothing came of it. With the club in 5th place and having only lost once in its previous eleven games, Coleman resigned as manager on 16 January 2008, citing a divergence in vision for the club with newly elected President Iñaki Badiola.[9]

[edit]Coventry City

Coleman was appointed manager of Championship side Coventry City on 19 February 2008, signing a three-and-a-half-year contract. He replaced Iain Dowie, who had been sacked by new owner Ray Ranson.[10]
On 26 August 2008, the BBC reported that Coleman was no longer interested in the international success of Wales.[11] He later denied the allegation, however, telling BBC Radio Wales' Sportstime programme, "I've got to get him [Eastwood] fit for Coventry first and foremost, that's my job. When he is fit, I'd drive him down the motorway myself if I had to for him to play for Wales. I've played for Wales myself and I preferred playing for my country than any club I've played for. I can promise you that I love Wales, I'm very patriotic and that will never change."[12] On 4 May 2010, Coleman was sacked following Coventry's 19th place finish during the 2009–10 season,[13] their lowest league finish in more than 45 years. I accept this move was a failure


[edit]Larissa

In May 2011, Coleman was appointed as manager of Greek side Larissa.[14] In January 2012, Coleman announced that because of financial troubles at the club he would be quitting from his position as manager.[15]
During His time In Greece, Coleman only lost 1 game out of 12, only conceding 3 goals and scoring 16. Due to financial and corruption difficulties the season didnt start until late 2011. During pre-season they played 20 games. winning 14, drawing 4 and losing 2. He was adored by the fans, and there were many planned riots and protests when he left citing financial difficulties as the reasons, (having not been paid for 3 months along with many of the players). In the immediate 12 games after Coleman left, Larissa lost 9 out of 12 games, drawing 2 and winning only 1.


Not bad eh?

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paxman you clown ,if you read it properly sociedad were relegated so they were playing in the Spanish 2nd div,so not much of an achievement really, but I would still give him till the end of the qualifiers because it looks like the players want to play for him but tactically he's poor, just like your reading

13 mins from beating a top team in the world is good enough for you is it?

Said on the weekend don't read to much into the back to back wins against Jox as they're poor.


We were only kept in the game by some outstanding goalkeeping at times.

Best teams take there chances.

Wales 1 Croatia 2 was a fair result in my opinion.

We are Wales you plank. Of course giving a team in the top 10 a run for their money is good enough. Our pool of players is minute once we get an injury we are in trouble. Today Joe Allen and Aaron Ramsey were missing from the heart of our team and we lead Croatia until the 77th minute. If you are expecting us to beat teams like that then you are a fruit loop with no grasp on reality.... On to Coleman:-


Chris Coleman,,..


Fulham

Coleman joined Fulham's coaching staff in October 2002 under Tigana. He later succeeded the Frenchman as caretaker manager in April 2003, and steered Fulham away from relegation danger. He was named as Fulham's permanent manager in May 2003, beating the more experienced Klaus Toppmöller and George Burley to the post, and also became the youngest manager in the Premier League.[4]
His first full season in charge saw Fulham finish a surprise ninth place, as many pundits tipped them to struggle and for Coleman to be sacked.[5] Many of Fulham's key players, such as Edwin van der Sar, Louis Saha, Steed Malbranque and Luis Boa Morte, were sold in the following years and Fulham did not repeat their earlier successes under Coleman though he kept them clear of relegation. He was sacked in April 2007, after Fulham went on a seven game winless run.[6]


Real Sociedad

Coleman moved abroad to manage recently relegated Segunda División side Real Sociedad in June 2007, after being recommended to the club by fellow Welshman and former Real Sociedad manager John Toshack.[7] He was linked with Bolton Wanderers in October 2007[8] though nothing came of it. With the club in 5th place and having only lost once in its previous eleven games, Coleman resigned as manager on 16 January 2008, citing a divergence in vision for the club with newly elected President Iñaki Badiola.[9]

[edit]Coventry City

Coleman was appointed manager of Championship side Coventry City on 19 February 2008, signing a three-and-a-half-year contract. He replaced Iain Dowie, who had been sacked by new owner Ray Ranson.[10]
On 26 August 2008, the BBC reported that Coleman was no longer interested in the international success of Wales.[11] He later denied the allegation, however, telling BBC Radio Wales' Sportstime programme, "I've got to get him [Eastwood] fit for Coventry first and foremost, that's my job. When he is fit, I'd drive him down the motorway myself if I had to for him to play for Wales. I've played for Wales myself and I preferred playing for my country than any club I've played for. I can promise you that I love Wales, I'm very patriotic and that will never change."[12] On 4 May 2010, Coleman was sacked following Coventry's 19th place finish during the 2009–10 season,[13] their lowest league finish in more than 45 years. I accept this move was a failure


[edit]Larissa

In May 2011, Coleman was appointed as manager of Greek side Larissa.[14] In January 2012, Coleman announced that because of financial troubles at the club he would be quitting from his position as manager.[15]
During His time In Greece, Coleman only lost 1 game out of 12, only conceding 3 goals and scoring 16. Due to financial and corruption difficulties the season didnt start until late 2011. During pre-season they played 20 games. winning 14, drawing 4 and losing 2. He was adored by the fans, and there were many planned riots and protests when he left citing financial difficulties as the reasons, (having not been paid for 3 months along with many of the players). In the immediate 12 games after Coleman left, Larissa lost 9 out of 12 games, drawing 2 and winning only 1.


Not bad eh?

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paxman you clown ,if you read it properly sociedad were relegated so they were playing in the Spanish 2nd div,so not much of an achievement really, but I would still give him till the end of the qualifiers because it looks like the players want to play for him but tactically he's poor, just like your reading

13 mins from beating a top team in the world is good enough for you is it?

Said on the weekend don't read to much into the back to back wins against Jox as they're poor.


We were only kept in the game by some outstanding goalkeeping at times.

Best teams take there chances.

Wales 1 Croatia 2 was a fair result in my opinion.

We are Wales you plank. Of course giving a team in the top 10 a run for their money is good enough. Our pool of players is minute once we get an injury we are in trouble. Today Joe Allen and Aaron Ramsey were missing from the heart of our team and we lead Croatia until the 77th minute. If you are expecting us to beat teams like that then you are a fruit loop with no grasp on reality.... On to Coleman:-


Chris Coleman,,..


Fulham

Coleman joined Fulham's coaching staff in October 2002 under Tigana. He later succeeded the Frenchman as caretaker manager in April 2003, and steered Fulham away from relegation danger. He was named as Fulham's permanent manager in May 2003, beating the more experienced Klaus Toppmöller and George Burley to the post, and also became the youngest manager in the Premier League.[4]
His first full season in charge saw Fulham finish a surprise ninth place, as many pundits tipped them to struggle and for Coleman to be sacked.[5] Many of Fulham's key players, such as Edwin van der Sar, Louis Saha, Steed Malbranque and Luis Boa Morte, were sold in the following years and Fulham did not repeat their earlier successes under Coleman though he kept them clear of relegation. He was sacked in April 2007, after Fulham went on a seven game winless run.[6]


Real Sociedad

Coleman moved abroad to manage recently relegated Segunda División side Real Sociedad in June 2007, after being recommended to the club by fellow Welshman and former Real Sociedad manager John Toshack.[7] He was linked with Bolton Wanderers in October 2007[8] though nothing came of it. With the club in 5th place and having only lost once in its previous eleven games, Coleman resigned as manager on 16 January 2008, citing a divergence in vision for the club with newly elected President Iñaki Badiola.[9]

[edit]Coventry City

Coleman was appointed manager of Championship side Coventry City on 19 February 2008, signing a three-and-a-half-year contract. He replaced Iain Dowie, who had been sacked by new owner Ray Ranson.[10]
On 26 August 2008, the BBC reported that Coleman was no longer interested in the international success of Wales.[11] He later denied the allegation, however, telling BBC Radio Wales' Sportstime programme, "I've got to get him [Eastwood] fit for Coventry first and foremost, that's my job. When he is fit, I'd drive him down the motorway myself if I had to for him to play for Wales. I've played for Wales myself and I preferred playing for my country than any club I've played for. I can promise you that I love Wales, I'm very patriotic and that will never change."[12] On 4 May 2010, Coleman was sacked following Coventry's 19th place finish during the 2009–10 season,[13] their lowest league finish in more than 45 years. I accept this move was a failure


[edit]Larissa

In May 2011, Coleman was appointed as manager of Greek side Larissa.[14] In January 2012, Coleman announced that because of financial troubles at the club he would be quitting from his position as manager.[15]
During His time In Greece, Coleman only lost 1 game out of 12, only conceding 3 goals and scoring 16. Due to financial and corruption difficulties the season didnt start until late 2011. During pre-season they played 20 games. winning 14, drawing 4 and losing 2. He was adored by the fans, and there were many planned riots and protests when he left citing financial difficulties as the reasons, (having not been paid for 3 months along with many of the players). In the immediate 12 games after Coleman left, Larissa lost 9 out of 12 games, drawing 2 and winning only 1.


Not bad eh?

paxman you clown ,if you read it properly sociedad were relegated so they were playing in the Spanish 2nd div,so not much of an achievement really, but I would still give him till the end of the qualifiers because it looks like the players want to play for him but tactically he's poor, just like your reading[/quote]

The guys the ultimate in having an Honours degree in reading wiki. Doesn't have a clue about colemans previous managerial roles.

theres arguments for both sides here....


however we must remember that all we have done so far is beat a very poor scottish team...


i agree that our performances have been better of late which is encouraging, but lets not forget our results from this campaign so far....

wales 0-2 belgium

serbia 6-1 wales

wales 2-1 scotland

croatia 2-0 wales

scotland 1-2 wales

wales 1-2 croatia


so despite 2 victories, it leaves us with the worst goal difference in the group...

also under cookie we have scored 8 goals in 9 games inc. friendlies and conceded 19...

a lot of work still to be done, but i think we should go to the end of this campaign and review it from there..

as i said above our last couple of performances have been better and not as negative as the first few games we played... lets not forget he didnt really have to come in and change to his own style, just continue with what had been put in place...

fully agree with paxman but always check the facts firsy sociedad was in the second spanish divison when he took over and toshack recommemded him to the club, but hes done a good job everywhere but coventry but in fairness they was on way down even before he got there

I got the division wrong, hang me.

The point remains, he left them in 5th position after only losing once in the previous 14 games. His spell there was a success as it was at every club barring an already doomed Coventry.

His CV is far more impressive than Gary Speeds and even more impressive than crazy Dutch Ray - which of course is what this thread turned into.

I'm yet to hear the explanation as to why the fella thinks his CV is inferior.

I can't believe that 35% of you would not back Coleman after last night, would not back him after almost beating Croatia and playing some superb football. Showing that we can be competitive against top teams, and that we have a realistic chance of qualifying for 2016. You still don't back your manager?

How anyone can feel anything put pride of their nations after last night is beyond me.

I got the division wrong, hang me.

The point remains, he left them in 5th position after only losing once in the previous 14 games. His spell there was a success as it was at every club barring an already doomed Coventry.

His CV is far more impressive than Gary Speeds and even more impressive than crazy Dutch Ray - which of course is what this thread turned into.

I'm yet to hear the explanation as to why the fella thinks his CV is inferior.

this is just to show were dutch ray has been.... although i agree he has never done anything at management level, you do have to question why someone hasnt given him the opp... some people are just better number 2's. but for the record, its not a bad cv.


Verheijen has been a member of the coaching staff of the national teams of the Netherlands, Russia and South Korea, attending three World Cups and three European Championships.[1] He has also worked with a number of European club sides, including Barcelona of Spain, Zenit Saint Petersburg of Russia, and English teams Chelsea F.C and Manchester City.[1] He has also been a personal fitness coach to Craig Bellamy.

I got the division wrong, hang me.

The point remains, he left them in 5th position after only losing once in the previous 14 games. His spell there was a success as it was at every club barring an already doomed Coventry.

His CV is far more impressive than Gary Speeds and even more impressive than crazy Dutch Ray - which of course is what this thread turned into.

I'm yet to hear the explanation as to why the fella thinks his CV is inferior.

Well there's a big difference from being a team is being only 5th in segunda div to a team being 5th in la liga! Forest are 5th now and that's what they are supposed to be doing. But if forest were 5th in the prem, well that would be something!

Sociadad were supposed to bounce straight back the year they went down!

But Dutch ray didn't deserve the job at all. I don't know of any club he's managed, never mind one to give him the chance to move after showing he is good enough for a national job.

If Coleman was an ex bluebird or a bluebird fan, fans on here would have given him more of a chance.

I think he will be sacked within 18 months though.

I would take a gamble on an up and coming manager or ex player as speed/hughes were, because Gould and tosh etc were just plodders and were never going to reinvent the wheel.

I got the division wrong, hang me.

The point remains, he left them in 5th position after only losing once in the previous 14 games. His spell there was a success as it was at every club barring an already doomed Coventry.

His CV is far more impressive than Gary Speeds and even more impressive than crazy Dutch Ray - which of course is what this thread turned into.

I'm yet to hear the explanation as to why the fella thinks his CV is inferior.

Well there's a big difference from being a team is being only 5th in segunda div to a team being 5th in la liga! Forest are 5th now and that's what they are supposed to be doing. But if forest were 5th in the prem, well that would be something!

Sociadad were supposed to bounce straight back the year they went down!

But Dutch ray didn't deserve the job at all. I don't know of any club he's managed, never mind one to give him the chance to move after showing he is good enough for a national job.

If Coleman was an ex bluebird or a bluebird fan, fans on here would have given him more of a chance.

I think he will be sacked within 18 months though.

I would take a gamble on an up and coming manager or ex player as speed/hughes were, because Gould and tosh etc were just plodders and were never going to reinvent the wheel.

Completely agree. I have said I made a mistake with regards to the division, but my point wasn't that he managed in la liga - my point was that he had been a success everywhere he has been barring Coventry to a man that said he has a poor CV. Guiding Sociadad to 5th in the segunda division is not a failure.

The fact is Spped was lauded in here and Coleman has a remarkably similar record so far with only 1 more game to go until he reached Speeds full quota.

I got the division wrong, hang me.

The point remains, he left them in 5th position after only losing once in the previous 14 games. His spell there was a success as it was at every club barring an already doomed Coventry.

His CV is far more impressive than Gary Speeds and even more impressive than crazy Dutch Ray - which of course is what this thread turned into.

I'm yet to hear the explanation as to why the fella thinks his CV is inferior.

this is just to show were dutch ray has been.... although i agree he has never done anything at management level, you do have to question why someone hasnt given him the opp... some people are just better number 2's. but for the record, its not a bad cv.


Verheijen has been a member of the coaching staff of the national teams of the Netherlands, Russia and South Korea, attending three World Cups and three European Championships.[1] He has also worked with a number of European club sides, including Barcelona of Spain, Zenit Saint Petersburg of Russia, and English teams Chelsea F.C and Manchester City.[1] He has also been a personal fitness coach to Craig Bellamy.

He is a conditioning coach - and a bloody good one.

But he is a fruit loop, a liar, a con man and lacks any sort if professionalism what so ever.

After throwing his toys out of the pram for not getting the Wales job off the back of some very curious twitter outbursts he got the job in the Armenian national team who also didnt deem him good enough for the managerial role - yep he's left them now too

baring in mind 2 of speeds defeats were against england... however the victories came against quality opposition who at the time were also in good form...

beating montenegro and switzerland at home and away victory over bulgaria. we were awarded best movers on the fifa rankings and sitting up at 45th gaining more points than any other nation in the fifa rankings...


currently we are sitting at 71st... coleman in my opinion was the easy option, and i believe the welsh fa were thinking, cheap, welsh and of similar age to speed..

in my opinion coleman was really all that fitted the bill, without us having to spend a decent some of money for a top international manager.

look at rep of ireland, no way is their squad 31 fifa ranking places above us, yet they have a quality manager and have been to major tournaments..

how many of these would you pick in our side?? 2 or 3 maybe??

01 Forde
02 Coleman
04 O'Shea
14 Wilson
15 Clark
06 Whelan
08 McCarthy
11 McClean
09 Long
13 Walters
20 Sammon

Yes, I would back him bringing speedo's playing back

Firstly, I didnt back him but now I believe that he can deliver.

Speedo didnt win his first games, but we still backed him.

Back coleman and we will get to France 2016

BRING ON BELGIUM!!!

baring in mind 2 of speeds defeats were against england... however the victories came against quality opposition who at the time were also in good form...

beating montenegro and switzerland at home and away victory over bulgaria. we were awarded best movers on the fifa rankings and sitting up at 45th gaining more points than any other nation in the fifa rankings...


currently we are sitting at 71st... coleman in my opinion was the easy option, and i believe the welsh fa were thinking, cheap, welsh and of similar age to speed..

in my opinion coleman was really all that fitted the bill, without us having to spend a decent some of money for a top international manager.

look at rep of ireland, no way is their squad 31 fifa ranking places above us, yet they have a quality manager and have been to major tournaments..

how many of these would you pick in our side?? 2 or 3 maybe??

01 Forde
02 Coleman
04 O'Shea
14 Wilson
15 Clark
06 Whelan
08 McCarthy
11 McClean
09 Long
13 Walters
20 Sammon

Ireland are certainly a great example to try and follow however it isn't as easy as having a top manager. We haven't been to a finals for around 50 years and none of the managers in that time would have taken this current team to qualify beyond the likes of Belgium and Croatia.

International football is all about seedlings. One good campaign and it can set you up for a long time with easier groups in the future. We were seeded 6th out of 6 teams in this group so we are facing an uphill struggle from the start until we punch considerably above our weight. The best we could have hoped for out of this group was 3rd and we have a realistic chance for that.

The FAW didnt chose the "cheap" option, they chose the man with the best credentials. We are Wales, we don't get the likes of Mourinho applying.

baring in mind 2 of speeds defeats were against england... however the victories came against quality opposition who at the time were also in good form...

beating montenegro and switzerland at home and away victory over bulgaria. we were awarded best movers on the fifa rankings and sitting up at 45th gaining more points than any other nation in the fifa rankings...


currently we are sitting at 71st... coleman in my opinion was the easy option, and i believe the welsh fa were thinking, cheap, welsh and of similar age to speed..

in my opinion coleman was really all that fitted the bill, without us having to spend a decent some of money for a top international manager.

look at rep of ireland, no way is their squad 31 fifa ranking places above us, yet they have a quality manager and have been to major tournaments..

how many of these would you pick in our side?? 2 or 3 maybe??

01 Forde
02 Coleman
04 O'Shea
14 Wilson
15 Clark
06 Whelan
08 McCarthy
11 McClean
09 Long
13 Walters
20 Sammon

Ireland are certainly a great example to try and follow however it isn't as easy as having a top manager. We haven't been to a finals for around 50 years and none of the managers in that time would have taken this current team to qualify beyond the likes of Belgium and Croatia.

International football is all about seedlings. One good campaign and it can set you up for a long time with easier groups in the future. We were seeded 6th out of 6 teams in this group so we are facing an uphill struggle from the start until we punch considerably above our weight. The best we could have hoped for out of this group was 3rd and we have a realistic chance for that.

The FAW didnt chose the "cheap" option, they chose the man with the best credentials. We are Wales, we don't get the likes of Mourinho applying.

i agree that we are never going to get a mourinho, but with now quality prem players in the team worth millions instead of the likes of players from barnsley or swindon and wrexham, we should be able to attract an international manager of good pedigree. most managers in the world would want the chance to pick the likes of gareth bale etc.. colemans record is also not really amazing a win % of around 33% and dont forget the yr he did take fulham to 9th he had a quality team, with saha in top form, van der sar in goals as well as top french and portugese internationals. also that year charlton finished 7th and the league had a top 4 well away from anyone and the rest made up of birmingham, boro, pompey, leicester, leeds, wolves, soton, blackburn and bolton. all teams with similar budgets.


as for the seedings, your spot on, if we can finish above serbia in this campaign and get the 3rd it will give us a better group for the next campaign, however we always seem to be looking to the next campaign and never the current one...

my main point with coleman is, gary speed took over, turned it around and coleman should have continued it..... a good example of this is our neighbours down the rd...

martinez started it with swansea, brenda continued it successfully and laudrup a top int. manager has come in and the turn around was already in place, he continued with it...

if coleman was a good manager he would have been able to have picked up from speed.

baring in mind 2 of speeds defeats were against england... however the victories came against quality opposition who at the time were also in good form...

beating montenegro and switzerland at home and away victory over bulgaria. we were awarded best movers on the fifa rankings and sitting up at 45th gaining more points than any other nation in the fifa rankings...


currently we are sitting at 71st... coleman in my opinion was the easy option, and i believe the welsh fa were thinking, cheap, welsh and of similar age to speed..

in my opinion coleman was really all that fitted the bill, without us having to spend a decent some of money for a top international manager.

look at rep of ireland, no way is their squad 31 fifa ranking places above us, yet they have a quality manager and have been to major tournaments..

how many of these would you pick in our side?? 2 or 3 maybe??

01 Forde
02 Coleman
04 O'Shea
14 Wilson
15 Clark
06 Whelan
08 McCarthy
11 McClean
09 Long
13 Walters
20 Sammon

Ireland are certainly a great example to try and follow however it isn't as easy as having a top manager. We haven't been to a finals for around 50 years and none of the managers in that time would have taken this current team to qualify beyond the likes of Belgium and Croatia.

International football is all about seedlings. One good campaign and it can set you up for a long time with easier groups in the future. We were seeded 6th out of 6 teams in this group so we are facing an uphill struggle from the start until we punch considerably above our weight. The best we could have hoped for out of this group was 3rd and we have a realistic chance for that.

The FAW didnt chose the "cheap" option, they chose the man with the best credentials. We are Wales, we don't get the likes of Mourinho applying.

i agree that we are never going to get a mourinho, but with now quality prem players in the team worth millions instead of the likes of players from barnsley or swindon and wrexham, we should be able to attract an international manager of good pedigree. most managers in the world would want the chance to pick the likes of gareth bale etc.. colemans record is also not really amazing a win % of around 33% and dont forget the yr he did take fulham to 9th he had a quality team, with saha in top form, van der sar in goals as well as top french and portugese internationals. also that year charlton finished 7th and the league had a top 4 well away from anyone and the rest made up of birmingham, boro, pompey, leicester, leeds, wolves, soton, blackburn and bolton. all teams with similar budgets.


as for the seedings, your spot on, if we can finish above serbia in this campaign and get the 3rd it will give us a better group for the next campaign, however we always seem to be looking to the next campaign and never the current one...

my main point with coleman is, gary speed took over, turned it around and coleman should have continued it..... a good example of this is our neighbours down the rd...

martinez started it with swansea, brenda continued it successfully and laudrup a top int. manager has come in and the turn around was already in place, he continued with it...

if coleman was a good manager he would have been able to have picked up from speed.

Regarding Fulham you say he had a great team, but they weren't household names then. They were favourites for relegation. Tigana and Coleman built that side before Fayed destroyed it.

You say Speed turned around Wales but his record is just the same as Colemans in essence. Speed won his last 3 games and that was that, before then he had lost 5 won 2. Hardly a glittering career. Before Croatia Coleman had won 3 out of 4.

Wales have always had quality Prem players, Hughes, speed, rush, giggs, Hartson, Bellamy, Davies etc etc its the fact we have absolutely no strength in depth. We have bristol city, crystal palace and reading players in and around our starting 11. No manager is going to want to take over that when the country has expectations like some of the idiots on this forum who have no grasp on our standing in world football.

As for your point regarding Coleman "should have carried on where speed left" - I think you are vastly underestimating the effect Gary speeds suicide had on everyone, not just Coleman but the players. To expect him to seamlessly take over is very naive of the situation IMO.

First of all Speed is gone and never coming back. At the beginning I did not back speed then he got his way of playing over and things changed. He gave us hope for the first time, and then the unthinkable happened.
After i wanted Dutch Ray to carry on Speeds work then Coleman took over and i wasn't happy but over the last few matches things have turned. The performances are getting better and the first half hour at Scotland was a joy to watch.
Last night was superb against a very good Croatian team. When we kept the ball passing they could not touch us. We struggled when we hoofed the ball and played into there hands,
When we attack we are dangerous when we try and defend we look weak, so when we swapped a striker for a defender it was only going to finish one way. Hopefully Coleman will work on this and have the team switched on and playing the way he wants for 90 mins.

First of all Speed is gone and never coming back. At the beginning I did not back speed then he got his way of playing over and things changed. He gave us hope for the first time, and then the unthinkable happened.
After i wanted Dutch Ray to carry on Speeds work then Coleman took over and i wasn't happy but over the last few matches things have turned. The performances are getting better and the first half hour at Scotland was a joy to watch.
Last night was superb against a very good Croatian team. When we kept the ball passing they could not touch us. We struggled when we hoofed the ball and played into there hands,
When we attack we are dangerous when we try and defend we look weak, so when we swapped a striker for a defender it was only going to finish one way. Hopefully Coleman will work on this and have the team switched on and playing the way he wants for 90 mins.

And now Paxman will ask you to explain why you have come to this conclusion?

First of all Speed is gone and never coming back. At the beginning I did not back speed then he got his way of playing over and things changed. He gave us hope for the first time, and then the unthinkable happened.
After i wanted Dutch Ray to carry on Speeds work then Coleman took over and i wasn't happy but over the last few matches things have turned. The performances are getting better and the first half hour at Scotland was a joy to watch.
Last night was superb against a very good Croatian team. When we kept the ball passing they could not touch us. We struggled when we hoofed the ball and played into there hands,
When we attack we are dangerous when we try and defend we look weak, so when we swapped a striker for a defender it was only going to finish one way. Hopefully Coleman will work on this and have the team switched on and playing the way he wants for 90 mins.

And now Paxman will ask you to explain why you have come to this conclusion?

He's explained his point excellently.

I have an issue with your point because it makes no sense. Coleman has done well at his previous clubs yet you feel this is null and void because he resigned. Just trying t get to the bottom of what seems to be an incredibly dull viewpoint.

But Nukes, yep you make some good points,

Ask yourself a question. Would Coleman have got a manager's job if he wasn't Welsh and the Wales job hadn't come up?

Think some of us need to remember where Wales are in terms of football in Europe. We do not have a professional league and our team is akin to an English E team mixed with some excellent Welsh players. Coming third in this group would be a superb result, coming fourth would be okay and any lower would be a dissapointing campaign.

Currently all 6 of our points have come against the worst Scottish team in history to add some balance to the argument.

We will qualify for Euro 2016!

Ask yourself a question. Would Coleman have got a manager's job if he wasn't Welsh and the Wales job hadn't come up?

Do we really have to ask ourselves such stupid questions?

He has a good managerial CV and would certainly get another job, next.

Ask yourself a question. Would Coleman have got a manager's job if he wasn't Welsh and the Wales job hadn't come up?

Do we really have to ask ourselves such stupid questions?

He has a good managerial CV and would certainly get another job, next.

Perhaps we won't have to wait too long to find out the answer to my very fair question.
Premiership, no chance. Championship, no chance.
Second or third division in warmer climes perhaps.