Is promotion deemed as success?

Lots of name calling, jack accusations and assumptions regarding alter egos - that's the classic sign that the thread is spot on and others don't wish to think about it or even entertain it. They know it's true.

It's simple, if you are in a competition yet it has cost you far more than what the actual prize it then winning it isn't a success. It will only become a success when the club achieved what most would consider a fair trade off for everything we have had to give away. To many no achievements will be worth it, to others then champions league... But surely no real fan in their right mind would have done this to their club for one promotion from the championship?

It's not a success, it's a vessel to enable the stupid to sweep whats really going in under the premier league rug for a season. Success? Not on your nelly.

You don't half waste your time on here.

Keep posting, I'm sure someone will agree with you one day.

It isn't my goal to get people to agree with me. My posts are obvious and have a lot of basis of fact to them. There isn't a lot to agree or disagree with,

To disagree with this one for example is to actually think one promotion from the championship is worth everything that we have had to give away and rip out of the club, and if that is the opinion held then it says more about that person as a fan than my opinion in the first place.

Many people disagree with others, many are called WUM's - yet the only persons opinion people can't handle to the point they get incredibly angry or want be banned - is mine... Its because they know its true. Otherwise it would be easy to combat or easy to ignore. You can't ignore the truth, if you do then you are denying yourself a fundamental want from humans. It's far easier to banish it (ptb calls etc etc)

I don't need back up to know my opinion is correct. My opinion alone tells me I'm correct. It stands for itself.

It isn't my goal to get people to agree with me. My posts are obvious and have a lot of basis of fact to them. There isn't a lot to agree or disagree with,

To disagree with this one for example is to actually think one promotion from the championship is worth everything that we have had to give away and rip out of the club, and if that is the opinion held then it says more about that person as a fan than my opinion in the first place.

Many people disagree with others, many are called WUM's - yet the only persons opinion people can't handle to the point they get incredibly angry or want be banned - is mine... Its because they know its true. Otherwise it would be easy to combat or easy to ignore. You can't ignore the truth, if you do then you are denying yourself a fundamental want from humans. It's far easier to banish it (ptb calls etc etc)

I don't need back up to know my opinion is correct. My opinion alone tells me I'm correct. It stands for itself.

Fill ya boots posting then.

It's your time.

It isn't my goal to get people to agree with me. My posts are obvious and have a lot of basis of fact to them. There isn't a lot to agree or disagree with,

To disagree with this one for example is to actually think one promotion from the championship is worth everything that we have had to give away and rip out of the club, and if that is the opinion held then it says more about that person as a fan than my opinion in the first place.

Many people disagree with others, many are called WUM's - yet the only persons opinion people can't handle to the point they get incredibly angry or want be banned - is mine... Its because they know its true. Otherwise it would be easy to combat or easy to ignore. You can't ignore the truth, if you do then you are denying yourself a fundamental want from humans. It's far easier to banish it (ptb calls etc etc)

I don't need back up to know my opinion is correct. My opinion alone tells me I'm correct. It stands for itself.

Fill ya boots posting then.

It's your time.

And yours, you're reading it.

It isn't my goal to get people to agree with me. My posts are obvious and have a lot of basis of fact to them. There isn't a lot to agree or disagree with,

To disagree with this one for example is to actually think one promotion from the championship is worth everything that we have had to give away and rip out of the club, and if that is the opinion held then it says more about that person as a fan than my opinion in the first place.

Many people disagree with others, many are called WUM's - yet the only persons opinion people can't handle to the point they get incredibly angry or want be banned - is mine... Its because they know its true. Otherwise it would be easy to combat or easy to ignore. You can't ignore the truth, if you do then you are denying yourself a fundamental want from humans. It's far easier to banish it (ptb calls etc etc)

I don't need back up to know my opinion is correct. My opinion alone tells me I'm correct. It stands for itself.

Fill ya boots posting then.

It's your time.

And yours, you're reading it.

Only your last line, most of your posts are like white noise.

If you say so.

If you say so.

I did.

Paxman does have some good points its just people would rather walk about with there heads in the sand untill such things are upon us then worry

Paxman does have some good points its just people would rather walk about with there heads in the sand untill such things are upon us then worry

The main point is, whatever he prattles on about, (usually club finances) there is no solution available.
We can do diddly squat.
Take your head out of the sand and the problem is still there.

Wasting time I reckon.

It isn't my goal to get people to agree with me. My posts are obvious and have a lot of basis of fact to them. There isn't a lot to agree or disagree with,

To disagree with this one for example is to actually think one promotion from the championship is worth everything that we have had to give away and rip out of the club, and if that is the opinion held then it says more about that person as a fan than my opinion in the first place.

Many people disagree with others, many are called WUM's - yet the only persons opinion people can't handle to the point they get incredibly angry or want be banned - is mine... Its because they know its true. Otherwise it would be easy to combat or easy to ignore. You can't ignore the truth, if you do then you are denying yourself a fundamental want from humans. It's far easier to banish it (ptb calls etc etc)

I don't need back up to know my opinion is correct. My opinion alone tells me I'm correct. It stands for itself.

Your a troll Roathy end of.You pretend to be anti-rebrand because it suits your purpose and you'll probably last a bit longer without getting banned.And you seem to be sucking in a few people who should know better.

Roathy is a troll. Brining up threads about the rebrand and our debts suits him as he knows it will cause arguments. He will always win as its a topic that no one is ever going to agree on at the end of the day, the best thing to do is just ignore the sad f**k.

As for chuckles and his incessant ramblings at others if they dont agree with his point of view on the rebrand, we get that you care we really do and so do alot of us whether you dont realise it or not. Your not going to win everyone over if you keep badgering them and trying to make them feel inferior to yourself because they are happy with watching city play. Your better off coming up with ideas to get fans to be more united then alienating them (I'm not saying you havent as you did the petition). The problem is with this messageboard nowdays is that fans can't celebrate the fact we are looking to get promoted without someone bringing up the rebrand to put a downer on it all and causing arguments.

Quick edit: I have nothing against you chuckles and your passion for the city and our blue traditions but you can't blame others for getting annoyed at you

Roathy is a troll. Brining up threads about the rebrand and our debts suits him as he knows it will cause arguments. He will always win as its a topic that no one is ever going to agree on at the end of the day, the best thing to do is just ignore the sad f**k.

As for chuckles and his incessant ramblings at others if they dont agree with his point of view on the rebrand, we get that you care we really do and so do alot of us whether you dont realise it or not. Your not going to win everyone over if you keep badgering them and trying to make them feel inferior to yourself because they are happy with watching city play. Your better off coming up with ideas to get fans to be more united then alienating them (I'm not saying you havent as you did the petition). The problem is with this messageboard nowdays is that fans can't celebrate the fact we are looking to get promoted without someone bringing up the rebrand to put a downer on it all and causing arguments.

Quick edit: I have nothing against you chuckles and your passion for the city and our blue traditions but you can't blame others for getting annoyed at you

I simply agreed to certain points from the opening post.. I don't care who wrote it tbh, I agree with it.

Well it isn't the same, to me - the promotion is tainted. That's my viewpoint and I will exercise my right to air it.. If people are really getting annoyed about other people's views, maybe they shouldn't go on forums.

Roathy is a troll. Brining up threads about the rebrand and our debts suits him as he knows it will cause arguments. He will always win as its a topic that no one is ever going to agree on at the end of the day, the best thing to do is just ignore the sad f**k.

As for chuckles and his incessant ramblings at others if they dont agree with his point of view on the rebrand, we get that you care we really do and so do alot of us whether you dont realise it or not. Your not going to win everyone over if you keep badgering them and trying to make them feel inferior to yourself because they are happy with watching city play. Your better off coming up with ideas to get fans to be more united then alienating them (I'm not saying you havent as you did the petition). The problem is with this messageboard nowdays is that fans can't celebrate the fact we are looking to get promoted without someone bringing up the rebrand to put a downer on it all and causing arguments.

Quick edit: I have nothing against you chuckles and your passion for the city and our blue traditions but you can't blame others for getting annoyed at you

I simply agreed to certain points from the opening post.. I don't care who wrote it tbh, I agree with it.

Well it isn't the same, to me - the promotion is tainted. That's my viewpoint and I will exercise my right to air it.. If people are really getting annoyed about other people's views, maybe they shouldn't go on forums.

We aren't denying you the right to post your view on it, thats not what i was getting at. The point I'm making is that if someone has the opposite opinion to you, you will let them know regardless if there was a need. If that makes any sense? To be honest your not the only one to do it and certainly it happens on both sides of the argument.

Yes because we are going to win the premier league and the champions league the season after that Malky Mackay's barmy army

Ah the old "troll retort", a favourite of the posters who are unable to combat a point or simply don't wish to entertain that the notion is true.

A troll is someone who posts shocking things usually regarding the dead (a bit like what polo does). Over time, intellectual beings who put their thoughts down have started being accused of being such things as the subject they are discussing is ever against the accusers agenda, own personal beliefs or makes them realise what they don't want to realise.

To think that any if my posts are troll like is unfathomable. I have simply made the point that we have sacrificed more than what we will gain from promotion from the championship so it can't yet be deemed a success. This is common sense and a notion shared by the majority of the footballing world. I guess I have taken your security blanket away and shown you that the problem remains promotion or not.

The irony is, if you went on any other message board saying that you would like their club to give away all their identity and get into crippling debt in order to get promoted... It is YOU that would be deemed a troll, so horrific would your suggestion be.

Funny that isn't it.

Of course promotion would be a success, & a total one at that. It's what all league clubs set out for in August, & its their ultimate objective to deliver & to achieve.

On the financial front, we are where we are, historically & now. There's nothing us fans can do about that, apart from support our club & go with the flow. Other clubs have taken other financial options in the past, whether sought or unsought, & in some cases on more than one occasion,,, that's their business.

Of course promotion would be a success, & a total one at that. It's what all league clubs set out for in August, & its their ultimate objective to deliver & to achieve.

On the financial front, we are where we are, historically & now. There's nothing us fans can do about that, apart from support our club & go with the flow. Other clubs have taken other financial options in the past, whether sought or unsought, & in some cases on more than one occasion,,, that's their business.

Youre confusing an objective with success. Of course the objective of this whole thing has been for promotion, but that doesn't mean it has brought success.

This whole saga can only be deemed a success if what we get outweighs what the club has had to pay. Promotion from the championship alone, to most football fans, is not worth what the club has had to pay for it.

You mention other clubs, yes they are vying for promotion but they all play in their colours, have their identity and pride intact. Promotion will always be a success for clubs like that.

For us, surely the reward must be something far far greater than achieving what the likes of burnley did a few seasons ago to be worth all this destruction?

Then i guess the success your talking about is long term, & we shall have to wait & see won't we?

Who knows whats going to happen this time next week, let alone in five years time.

However, in answer to your original question, Yes, promotion would be deemed a success.

Regarding the re brand, What exactly would you have done yourself to stop it happening in the first place?

Then i guess the success your talking about is long term, & we shall have to wait & see won't we?

Who knows whats going to happen this time next week, let alone in five years time.

However, in answer to your original question, Yes, promotion would be deemed a success.

Regarding the re brand, What exactly would you have done yourself to stop it happening in the first place?

Of course I'm talking long term. This promotion cannot be deemed a success until what we have outweighs the destruction. And the promotion alone clearly doesn't. So it isn't a success, just one objective reached of a long line of objectives that if achieved will contribute toward it being classed as a success.

As for what I would have done? Not much as I'm the other side of the world although if I was there then a protest would have been a good place to start.

Then i guess the success your talking about is long term, & we shall have to wait & see won't we?

Who knows whats going to happen this time next week, let alone in five years time.

However, in answer to your original question, Yes, promotion would be deemed a success.

Regarding the re brand, What exactly would you have done yourself to stop it happening in the first place?

Of course I'm talking long term. This promotion cannot be deemed a success until what we have outweighs the destruction. And the promotion alone clearly doesn't. So it isn't a success, just one objective reached of a long line of objectives that if achieved will contribute toward it being classed as a success.

As for what I would have done? Not much as I'm the other side of the world although if I was there then a protest would have been a good place to start.

Like i said, we shall have to wait & see,,,,,& time will ultimately tell.

With regards to the word "destruction" that you use, i think that's a matter of personal opinion, & of perception.

Personally, i'm no fan of the re brand myself, ive been following our club long enough to know that.

However, i am open minded enough to see how thing go, its not like we currently have any real choice not to do so anyway?

It's a global market, & economy,, & i'm pretty sure you, of all people, know that!

Then i guess the success your talking about is long term, & we shall have to wait & see won't we?

Who knows whats going to happen this time next week, let alone in five years time.

However, in answer to your original question, Yes, promotion would be deemed a success.

Regarding the re brand, What exactly would you have done yourself to stop it happening in the first place?

Of course I'm talking long term. This promotion cannot be deemed a success until what we have outweighs the destruction. And the promotion alone clearly doesn't. So it isn't a success, just one objective reached of a long line of objectives that if achieved will contribute toward it being classed as a success.

As for what I would have done? Not much as I'm the other side of the world although if I was there then a protest would have been a good place to start.

Like i said, we shall have to wait & see,,,,,& time will ultimately tell.

With regards to the word "destruction" that you use, i think that's a matter of personal opinion, & of perception.

Personally, i'm no fan of the re brand myself, ive been following our club long enough to know that.

However, i am open minded enough to see how thing go, its not like we currently have any real choice not to do so anyway?

It's a global market, & economy,, & i'm pretty sure you, of all people, know that!

I agree, we will have to wait and see. It's my point entirely. It was in response to someone saying we are a few months away from success, meaning promotion. I'm merely stating that in no way can that be deemed success. I'm pretty sure a Blackpool fan wouldn't rid themselves of their orange, £100m and their badge for that one season up there. It's not proportionate.

As for the global market. Absolutely, but people buy authenticity not fake contrived nonsense. People want to buy into a club with traditions, history etc not a club that is completely changed on a whim. There is already an example in the Orem of a club with all the foreign connections we do and that spend far more than we do and have far more big names (Asian ones at that) in QPR and they barely even register on the global market.

Of course promotion would be a success, & a total one at that. It's what all league clubs set out for in August, & its their ultimate objective to deliver & to achieve.

On the financial front, we are where we are, historically & now. There's nothing us fans can do about that, apart from support our club & go with the flow. Other clubs have taken other financial options in the past, whether sought or unsought, & in some cases on more than one occasion,,, that's their business.

Youre confusing an objective with success. Of course the objective of this whole thing has been for promotion, but that doesn't mean it has brought success.

This whole saga can only be deemed a success if what we get outweighs what the club has had to pay which in the eyes of the overwhelming majority of fans is OK. Promotion from the championship alone, to most football fans, is worth what the club has had to pay for it.

You mention other clubs, yes they are vying for promotion but they all play in their colours, have their identity and pride intact. Promotion will always be a success for clubs like that except if your Portsmouth or Rangers

For us, surely the reward will be something far far greater than achieving what the likes of burnley did a few seasons ago to be worth all this reconstruction?

There my little troll,fixed it for you.

All very interesting Paxman, & im sure you'll agree that a "Brand" has to start some where.

Im not counting my chickens at all, there's a long long way to go.

We all had a little bit of VT's mind set while he was being interviewed last month. Its a pity you were not asking the questions!

The fact you see the banishing of Cardiffs blue and bluebird plus getting saddled with £100m debt as "reconstruction" frankly astounds me.

All very interesting Paxman, & im sure you'll agree that a "Brand" has to start some where.

Im not counting my chickens at all, there's a long long way to go.

We all had a little bit of VT's mind set while he was being interviewed last month. Its a pity you were not asking the questions!

I wish I was too Rick. However I'm sure as soon as I asked a question he didnt like, the interview would have been terminated. The man has never been involved in the football business before and admits he knows little about the game. An astute man would seek advice from experts in that field, a dictator who is used to money solving everything will go about it just like he's done - not listened to anyone and assumed he can fix it with money, as QPR have showed - that doesn't work for clubs like us in the Prem and that's without the fans division.

The fact you see the banishing of Cardiffs blue and bluebird plus getting saddled with £100m debt as "reconstruction" frankly arouses me.

Fixed again.

Ah now the flaw in your argument is exposed for all to see.So by your silly logic if the blue colour came back tommorow the £100m debt would dissappear like a puff of smoke.Oh and we've still got the bluebird.

The fact you see the banishing of Cardiffs blue and bluebird plus getting saddled with £100m debt as "reconstruction" frankly arouses me.

Fixed again.

Ah now the flaw in your argument is exposed for all to see.So by your silly logic if the blue colour came back tommorow the £100m debt would dissappear like a puff of smoke.Oh and we've still got the bluebird.

Yes we can all edit posts and make silly sentences. maybe we should try and steer away from play ground nonsense though eh?

Where has that ever been my argument with reference to the blue and the debt? I have never alluded to anything like the blue coming back meaning the debt going?

Of course Roathy your relative argument is a rebrand of your original argument.Though you may find comfort with the support of that silly bugger chuckles your arguments are actually as baseless as when you started out as Canton Magic.

It's true. Possible Promotion is tarnished by the loss of our club identity and traditions.

What should be the best season in our lifetimes so far, is being dogged by in-fighting from fans and an unrecognisable Cardiff a city on the pitch.

If you wish to debate maturely, instead of pathetic name calling, go right ahead.

Yet you still renewed.

I'm merely expressing my opinion that I agree that this title will be tainted. Why you resort to petty name calling, ill never know.

Its because hes more blatant and you use that very antogonising passive aggressive crap. You talk down to people as if they are shit. Its no coincidence that many feel the same toward you.

The bloke is a grade A arsehole unfortunately Craig. Beaten him in many arguments in the past, ripped through his flawed logic and tripped him up left, right and center. It is best to mock those who cannot debate maturely I find.

Coming from someone who pretends to be old & thinks that debating maturely is throwing insults around.

Ignore the facts and carry on Chuckles. You are a very unlikeable character on here.