New Club?

Why the fck do you need name call you tw*t? I offered reason why wont happen thats all. Anyway fck off to new cardiff !
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'Its that simple' ...

If you're going to be condescending when I have already stated its fine then of course Im going to enforce my point.

As for conversation terminated there would have never been one to begin with if you did some research on the fact before coming here. Its quite obviously not as simple as you portrayed is it? Bad facts misguide people.

If a new football club was set up representing the real Cardiff City in blue with the Bluebird, I'm there! Let's face it, with the rumour of red seats being bought and the constant brainwashing from VT turning our fans into red sheep, we will never go back to blue. By the time VT sells up, I expect our stadium will be red and filled with a sea of fans in red. That's not Cardiff City, last Tuesday it didn't feel like I was in my stadium watching my local team, I felt like an away fan, an outsider, it felt like I didn't belong there.

I should be on top of the world with the season we are having, but I'm not. Even if we do get promoted and lift the Championship trophy, it won't feel the same with the red ribbons on the trophy instead of blue ribbons. It won't 100% feel like my team lifting the trophy, and I want my team back! The team I grew up watching chanting Bluebirds and Blue army! The team I fell in love with and got a passionate emotional connection to.

I compare the rebrand to your partner getting a sex change. You still like the person, you still care for the person, but there are parts about the person you used to love that are no longer there and therefore, despite still being fond of the person, you can't love that person in the same way. That's how I feel with our club, parts of our club I used to love have been wiped away. Therefore, the elation I should feel when we win and the despair I should feel when we lose has declined, because I don't love my club as much as I used to. So if a new club is set up to represent the fans and the traditions of the real Cardiff City FC, I will be there, as that will be the football club to replicate the previous feelings and emotions I had for our once great club.

There simply won't be enough support. Why not concentrate on trying to turn Cardiff back to blue? Considering no effort has been made yet.

When some lads tried to set this up jut after the rebrand, I think dazzy T and subuteoman were involved, there was at least five showed an interest, so they may still be looking to get on board, a few more and at least you'd have enough for a team.

currently 113 members in the group...

That's a great start, have they turned up to a meeting, or just clicked a button on a message board

meeting currently being planned for the near future, you seem to wanna shoot this idea down. If you want nothing to do with it just leave it alone

Good point, wish you every success, let us know how you get on and what league your in, if I can't make a Ciy game , I'll come along unless it's a sell out (that bloody word again )

You wouldnt be welcome but thats never stopped you before

"Gwyn Davies - representing himself"

Very early stages yet but there has been some positive input from people on a facebook group looking to set up a new club. I'll still always follow Cardiff City but it's not the same anymore so i'm all for a new club which is all about the fans, no matter what league its in. Interested in seeing who would actually be interested in this kind of thing?

Don't want to be antagonistic on this. But doesn't that defeat your whole argument? The club doesn't feel the same and isn't your club any more so you'll go and set up your own, which won't be the club you had to start with anyway? Sorry, just trying to understand the logic.

You do realise it will have to be Welsh League don't you?

Agree with that . As much as I hate the rebrand ( done to satisfy Tans personal preferences) cardiff could not support a secondary club like utd have . Fair play to them they get a good few k watching each week but have a much bigger fan base . We would struggle to get a few hundred week in week out especially with the opposition whilst a ground would also be a problem . Fc Manc play at bury I believe . A new cardiff club would have to share with a welsh league .

Very early stages yet but there has been some positive input from people on a facebook group looking to set up a new club. I'll still always follow Cardiff City but it's not the same anymore so i'm all for a new club which is all about the fans, no matter what league its in. Interested in seeing who would actually be interested in this kind of thing?

Don't want to be antagonistic on this. But doesn't that defeat your whole argument? The club doesn't feel the same and isn't your club any more so you'll go and set up your own, which won't be the club you had to start with anyway? Sorry, just trying to understand the logic.

You do realise it will have to be Welsh League don't you?

Agree with that . As much as I hate the rebrand ( done to satisfy Tans personal preferences) cardiff could not support a secondary club like utd have . Fair play to them they get a good few k watching each week but have a much bigger fan base . We would struggle to get a few hundred week in week out especially with the opposition whilst a ground would also be a problem . Fc Manc play at bury I believe . A new cardiff club would have to share with a welsh league .

If it even gets close to happening it would be the biggest shock of my life. I dont think for one second it will happen.

If the new club does ever happen, and I can't see it myself, what makes you think they'll be allowed straight into the Welsh League. The team I watch when I don;t go and watch Cardiff are Ton and Gelli Amateurs, they play in the South Wales Amateur League, and have been knocking on the door to get into welsh lg division 3 for the last few seasons, I'd be horrified if the new ccfc were fast tracked ahead of them...

They won't be fast tracked but that's part of the fun and if we did eventually get there and get in the CL all the reds would be crying. Nothing wrong with the welsh league and maybe Sam was on the right track.

Good luck with this. I would think the support levels will be low but if you can get a place in the South Wales Amateur League Division Two the momentum could build and a place in the Premier League may only be a few years away.

One bit of advice, if there is a little bit of money behind this venture I would suggest a takeover of a Cardiff based team like Ely Rangers or Corinthians. But you are in the realms of potentially doing to them what Tan did and that would be a no no.

Perhaps it would be just better to go and support a Cardiff based team, the added investment may push them to the top and into Europe

There simply won't be enough support. Why not concentrate on trying to turn Cardiff back to blue? Considering no effort has been made yet.

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some great ideas on here last night

They won't be fast tracked but that's part of the fun and if we did eventually get there and get in the CL all the reds would be crying. Nothing wrong with the welsh league and maybe Sam was on the right track.

Except it won't nbe part of the fun.

FCUM who you keep usin g as an example. They had thousands watching them in their first seasons as they got back to back to back promotions but now they've been in the same league for three r four seasons and don't look like getting out any time oon and crowds have started to fall down.

And that's with the promise of one day joining the English system.

You won;t get more than a hundred die hards willing to wait to get to the Welsh premier. It's not worth it.

Also FCUM had enough support so that they could get together a pretty good team just out of their fans. You won't get enough people to make a team that can climb the leagues as easily as you all might want.

bollox people have started watching newport.....maybe 1 or 2 but thats just wrong less they are from the newport area. besides newport fans hate us more than any other.....think i'd rather my chances in blue at the ccs.

They won't be fast tracked but that's part of the fun and if we did eventually get there and get in the CL all the reds would be crying. Nothing wrong with the welsh league and maybe Sam was on the right track.

Except it won't nbe part of the fun.

FCUM who you keep usin g as an example. They had thousands watching them in their first seasons as they got back to back to back promotions but now they've been in the same league for three r four seasons and don't look like getting out any time oon and crowds have started to fall down.

And that's with the promise of one day joining the English system.

You won;t get more than a hundred die hards willing to wait to get to the Welsh premier. It's not worth it.

Also FCUM had enough support so that they could get together a pretty good team just out of their fans. You won't get enough people to make a team that can climb the leagues as easily as you all might want.

You would have thought the fc united crowds would have dropped off though . At first the glazer take over was a big thing . The club were going from a listed company to a new US owner and the purchase was funded by debt . There were a load of fears of Americanisation and a lack of investment . In 2013 , that proved not to be the case , they are still buying big money players and still winning leagues and taking part in champ league finals . You could argue not much has changed . I wonder how mad the Mancs would go if there new owners had changed their strip to blue and whacked huge US flags up around old Trafford . Oh and changed the red devil to a bald eagle . Hey, it's a lucky animal in the US lads.

James as Chairman, we want Barnett on the pitch say we want Barnett on the pitch

Merthyr Town were allowed in as a phoenix club when Merthyr Tydfil went kaput.

As it stands, Cardiff City FC isn't going kaput. Thus any start-up club would have to go in the Welsh pyramid.

No it won't. I have already asked them. Read bluebird1977's signature and get with the times.

Merthyr was already in english system so club actually still registered. And wasnt a seperate club! If form new cardiff it can only be registered under welsh fa. As it will be new club seperate from city !Its that simple

I HAVE ALREADY CONTACTED THE FOOTBALL LEAGUE YOU TIT. ITS THAT SIMPLE.

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In all honesty many people against the rebrand have been told to "f**k off if they don't like it" and it seems that's exactly what they have done,will they be missed? only time will tell,will it make a difference to Cardiff City? not in the immediate future,if they've had enough of the rebrand I fully understand.
I say let em get on with it and good luck to them.You can't tell someone to f**k off then slag them off for attempting to fill their football fix with a new club.Nothing to debate here IMO.

Merthyr Town were allowed in as a phoenix club when Merthyr Tydfil went kaput.

As it stands, Cardiff City FC isn't going kaput. Thus any start-up club would have to go in the Welsh pyramid.

No it won't. I have already asked them. Read bluebird1977's signature and get with the times.

Merthyr was already in english system so club actually still registered. And wasnt a seperate club! If form new cardiff it can only be registered under welsh fa. As it will be new club seperate from city !Its that simple

I HAVE ALREADY CONTACTED THE FOOTBALL LEAGUE YOU TIT. ITS THAT SIMPLE.

Your so full of shit its laughable.

Your trolling like a right c**t, 3 days ago you were saying you dont care about the rebrand. Today you made up shit about the bluebird and cardiff city trademark elapsing. Which has been proved wrong.

Your trying to turn this board into a warzone and its working.

When some lads tried to set this up jut after the rebrand, I think dazzy T and subuteoman were involved, there was at least five showed an interest, so they may still be looking to get on board, a few more and at least you'd have enough for a team.

currently 113 members in the group...

The biggest problem I think you will have is getting people to do what they say.

Its all very well liking a facebook group or signing a petition but the proof is in the actions of what people do.

Here here, actions speak louder than words. People can set up and sign petitions all they want but once they renew their season ticket they have done it all in vain.

Out of the 113 I wonder how many will renew for the lure of premier league football? My guess? 80%. And they are going to fight the club from within to a man they have admitted won't listen.

Hypocrisy at it's finest.

When some lads tried to set this up jut after the rebrand, I think dazzy T and subuteoman were involved, there was at least five showed an interest, so they may still be looking to get on board, a few more and at least you'd have enough for a team.

currently 113 members in the group...

That's a great start, have they turned up to a meeting, or just clicked a button on a message board

meeting currently being planned for the near future, you seem to wanna shoot this idea down. If you want nothing to do with it just leave it alone

Good point, wish you every success, let us know how you get on and what league your in, if I can't make a Ciy game , I'll come along unless it's a sell out (that bloody word again )

You wouldnt be welcome but thats never stopped you before

"Gwyn Davies - representing himself"

Great start, your already banning people, have the oher members voted on this or are you the self elected leader,

Heres a poll, ive read some shit in this thread so lets poll it, not that it will be a true reflections anyway
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I do like the idea of a new club but the amount of work it takes believe me would break up families and so on as I've seen it with my own eyes when Merthyr Town was re-formed.

However there are two avenues to go down. Firstly you can start in the English leagues like Merthyr did as the Welsh FA have no fight in them and teams in a lower english non-league would welcome teams which could bring many fans to their grounds. So the myth that a new team would have to go into the welsh league is now a myth because a president has been set.

Anyway if a new teamwere to go into the Welsh league because thats the way it preferred then there are very strong rumours that the Welsh league is going the same way as Ireland and become a Summer League so people won't have to switch would they as they have football to watch all year round!!!!!

load of bollocks

New club my cheesy bellend

Today you made up shit about the bluebird and cardiff city trademark elapsing. Which has been proved wrong.

Stop lying Craig. The trademark has lapsed.

http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.ph ... sg_3615334

TBG is not lying.

Your trying to turn this board into a warzone and its working.

Lies Craig.

I don't care if anyone has personally given a PowerPoint presentation to the full boards of the English FA, Football League, UEFA and FIFA altogether on the centre spot of Wembley.

A new club set up on Welsh soil will NOT be allowed to play in the English pyramid. The final verdict in the legal courts gave Newport the right to return to the English system as the previous incarnation no longer existed and the court adjudged the new AFC Newport to be, in part, still the same company albeit under the name of a new legal entity.

While Cardiff City remain in the English system a new club cannot be set up to take its place. Any new club will automatically fall under the control of the Welsh FA.

I know for a fact that the FL will advise ANY company asking about entry to their leagues that they have the right to apply. It's a standard statement. Any application will be looked at but will be challenged by the Welsh FA and finally vetoed.

Should any new club that does not play on English soil be granted a berth in the English system it would cause uproar throughout Europe. Clubs could actively fold and resurface as a new entity and apply to any league anywhere in Europe. Rangers would have a field day as would Celtic or any other club for that matter.

Anyway itsa mute point though as it will not happen. You will not gain entry to the English system.

Be interested to know who from the FL advised that it would be allowed. The actual wording of the email would also be interesting.

Will look forward to playing against you best season. Because you would probably have to start at the lowest level like every one else.. Which is about 6 leagues below welsh league depending on which leagues u start in..
So could take anywhere between 8-10 years to get to welsh premier lge!!
And that's if you get promoted every year! Which is highly unlickly.
So just grow up! Take the rough with the smooth and support cardiff city!!
We support the players under the shirts!!
I hate red but I'm gunna support malky and the team not whatever colour tops we got on!!

One day we will be back blue

I was stunned to learn at the weekend that one of our old school guys who is by me in the Canton, has started going to Cewnty home games. Real football, he said. And I thought I was a rebrand hater, dont think I could do that! Seriousy though despite my reservations I would be 100% behind a new Cardiff Bluebirds club

There simply won't be enough support. Why not concentrate on trying to turn Cardiff back to blue? Considering no effort has been made yet.

That is what people should be focusing on in my opinion.

Let's not roll over and let the re-brand win. We're the famous (blue) Cardiff City remember.

100% up for it

Makes no sense to me.

The whole arguement is the rebrand is stripping our history and identity.

So a new club has no history or identity. So its just the colour your missing???

How can "fans" so easily support another team??

If "Cardiff city" goes then so does the club and my support of a club goes with it. No more football.