Has the RED killed it?

Where have I said the majority are against it? Surely that's the exact opposite of my point. I've acknowledged the majority are all for it. But the majority have come on board since Sam and tan have flashed their cash. The average attendance was around 4000 for a good decade before they came along, and since then success has been more important than the club.

I say again, can you imagine the uproar if the american owners tried to change liverpools red kit to a Stars and Stripes home kit with USA spralled across it and then getting rid of the liver bird and replacing it with the Statue of Liberty... They would be run out of town and protested against every game..... Cardiff on the other hand have turned out in their numbers to buy the new red kit - it's an embarrassment.

Another DAFT response (people 'on board only since Sam and Tan)

Better performances = Bigger crowds

People won't (in general) pay to watch dross

Nature of the beast (and same in theatres, cinemas et al)

So you have said its a daft response but then agreed. Average attendance has gone from 4,000 to 22,000 and that was only since the loans and promises came into the spotlight.

The fact people see a football club as purely entertainment and not a passion or a life choice are the exact ones that are more than happy to strip the club of its identity to get Rooney's autograph.

go on the Liverpool board and ask them if they would allow the owners to change from their red to Stars and Stripes kit even if it meant them signing ronaldo and messi... See the response. They are a team that have had consistently high crowds that have followed them for decades that know the value of history. Not a stadium full of recent additions donning red that would be seen dead watching a dpteam in the lower leagues.

Sorry but it's true.

Where have I said the majority are against it? Surely that's the exact opposite of my point. I've acknowledged the majority are all for it. But the majority have come on board since Sam and tan have flashed their cash. The average attendance was around 4000 for a good decade before they came along, and since then success has been more important than the club.

I say again, can you imagine the uproar if the american owners tried to change liverpools red kit to a Stars and Stripes home kit with USA spralled across it and then getting rid of the liver bird and replacing it with the Statue of Liberty... They would be run out of town and protested against every game..... Cardiff on the other hand have turned out in their numbers to buy the new red kit - it's an embarrassment.

Another DAFT response (people 'on board only since Sam and Tan)

Better performances = Bigger crowds

People won't (in general) pay to watch dross

Nature of the beast (and same in theatres, cinemas et al)

So you have said its a daft response but then agreed. Average attendance has gone from 4,000 to 22,000 and that was only since the loans and promises came into the spotlight.

The fact people see a football club as purely entertainment and not a passion or a life choice are the exact ones that are more than happy to strip the club of its identity to get Rooney's autograph.

go on the Liverpool board and ask them if they would allow the owners to change from their red to Stars and Stripes kit even if it meant them signing ronaldo and messi... See the response. They are a team that have had consistently high crowds that have followed them for decades that know the value of history. Not a stadium full of recent additions donning red that would be seen dead watching a dpteam in the lower leagues.

Sorry but it's true.

What a stupid f*cking analogy

Liverpool is a 'world brand' .... That would be akin to changing the name of Apple to "Grapefruit"

Cardiff City (whether we like it are not) are known across Europe for one thing and one thing
only... the name, 'Cardiff City AFC'.. Go to any football loving City in Europe and ask them what
colour we play in, go and ask them what our nickname is... then try it with Liverpool.

Cardiff City (whether we like it or not) are/were a small Club, with a small fan base and to
get to that next level, we had to rope in another 15,000 regular supporters who didnt have the
emotional ties to Blue - or to the Bluebird. Thats just life. I dont like it, but the new fans are
just as entitled to start supporting Cardiff City as I was as a little lad.

Lets look at Liverpool again shall we...

I remember that Kop End swaying with 26,000 fans in it. Amazing sight, awesome noise.
It now holds less than half that. its shit. Modern Football, things change.

In years to come, we will wear Blue again.

Had Tan not stepped in, we may NEVER have been called Cardiff City again

Where have I said the majority are against it? Surely that's the exact opposite of my point. I've acknowledged the majority are all for it. But the majority have come on board since Sam and tan have flashed their cash. The average attendance was around 4000 for a good decade before they came along, and since then success has been more important than the club.

I say again, can you imagine the uproar if the american owners tried to change liverpools red kit to a Stars and Stripes home kit with USA spralled across it and then getting rid of the liver bird and replacing it with the Statue of Liberty... They would be run out of town and protested against every game..... Cardiff on the other hand have turned out in their numbers to buy the new red kit - it's an embarrassment.

Another DAFT response (people 'on board only since Sam and Tan)

Better performances = Bigger crowds

People won't (in general) pay to watch dross

Nature of the beast (and same in theatres, cinemas et al)

So you have said its a daft response but then agreed. Average attendance has gone from 4,000 to 22,000 and that was only since the loans and promises came into the spotlight.

The fact people see a football club as purely entertainment and not a passion or a life choice are the exact ones that are more than happy to strip the club of its identity to get Rooney's autograph.

go on the Liverpool board and ask them if they would allow the owners to change from their red to Stars and Stripes kit even if it meant them signing ronaldo and messi... See the response. They are a team that have had consistently high crowds that have followed them for decades that know the value of history. Not a stadium full of recent additions donning red that would be seen dead watching a dpteam in the lower leagues.

Sorry but it's true.

What a stupid f*cking analogy

Liverpool is a 'world brand' .... That would be akin to changing the name of Apple to "Grapefruit"

Cardiff City (whether we like it are not) are known across Europe for one thing and one thing
only... the name, 'Cardiff City AFC'.. Go to any football loving City in Europe and ask them what
colour we play in, go and ask them what our nickname is... then try it with Liverpool.

Cardiff City (whether we like it or not) are/were a small Club, with a small fan base and to
get to that next level, we had to rope in another 15,000 regular supporters who didnt have the
emotional ties to Blue - or to the Bluebird. Thats just life. I dont like it, but the new fans are
just as entitled to start supporting Cardiff City as I was as a little lad.

Lets look at Liverpool again shall we...

I remember that Kop End swaying with 26,000 fans in it. Amazing sight, awesome noise.
It now holds less than half that. its shit. Modern Football, things change.

In years to come, we will wear Blue again.

Had Tan not stepped in, we may NEVER have been called Cardiff City again

It's not a stupid analogy at all, in fact far from it - it just seems its your usual reply to something you are attempting to disagree with.

However in this case you are completely contradicting yourself. First off let's remind everyone of the fact you recently told me you believe Cardiff and their history was known throughout Europe and now you are saying something akin to "not everyone knew we were blue anyway".

Secondly you are confusing business and passion. Fans don't see clubs as brands. Are you telling me the red of Liverpool means more to their fans than the blue of Cardiff means to theirs? The impact of changing Liverpool from red to their owners favourite colour should recieve the same emotional disagreement as it would changing Barnets from their orangy gold. The fact one is more famous than the other makes absolutely diddly squat difference as we are looking at this from a fans perspective. So that's a moot point.

The rest of your post is more supposition with even less to back it up than I did, which you were vehemently against. There is no proof Cardiff will ever go back to blue there is no proof Cardiff were ever going to fold - these are suppositions based on nothing but a bleak financial situation which has actually worsened dramatically from the time period to which you refer. It's just easy to put it to the back of your mind now that you may see some big teams.

Your perspective both saddens and typifies exactly what is being discussed here. All be it an incredibly contradictory one with sad references to Liverpool meaning more to its fans than Cardiff does to it's. Premier football is valued far more than the club itself mostly driven opn by the new breed of fan since the loans have been taken from both previous chairmen. It's even got into some of the long standing fan, it's an infection. Some dismiss it as modern football but modern football reaches into every club in Britain not just Cardiff and you would be hard pushed to find ANY that would have accepted whats happened here as readily as the fans of this club have,

You can disagree and ridicule in true style as much as you like but this resonates with far more people than you would care to admit, maybe even yourself not that you would admit it. Sad situation that's for sure where some can't see the wood for the trees.

It's not a stupid analogy at all, in fact far from it - it just seems its your usual reply to something you are attempting to disagree with.

However in this case you are completely contradicting yourself. First off let's remind everyone of the fact you recently told me you believe Cardiff and their history was known throughout Europe and now you are saying something akin to "not everyone knew we were blue anyway".

Secondly you are confusing business and passion. Fans don't see clubs as brands. Are you telling me the red of Liverpool means more to their fans than the blue of Cardiff means to theirs? The impact of changing Liverpool from red to their owners favourite colour should recieve the same emotional disagreement as it would changing Barnets from their orangy gold. The fact one is more famous than the other makes absolutely diddly squat difference as we are looking at this from a fans perspective. So that's a moot point.

The rest of your post is more supposition with even less to back it up than I did, which you were vehemently against. There is no proof Cardiff will ever go back to blue there is no proof Cardiff were ever going to fold - these are suppositions based on nothing but a bleak financial situation which has actually worsened dramatically from the time period to which you refer. It's just easy to put it to the back of your mind now that you may see some big teams.

Your perspective both saddens and typifies exactly what is being discussed here. All be it an incredibly contradictory one with sad references to Liverpool meaning more to its fans than Cardiff does to it's. Premier football is valued far more than the club itself mostly driven opn by the new breed of fan since the loans have been taken from both previous chairmen. It's even got into some of the long standing fan, it's an infection. Some dismiss it as modern football but modern football reaches into every club in Britain not just Cardiff and you would be hard pushed to find ANY that would have accepted whats happened here as readily as the fans of this club have,

You can disagree and ridicule in true style as much as you like but this resonates with far more people than you would care to admit, maybe even yourself not that you would admit it. Sad situation that's for sure where some can't see the wood for the trees.

You're tying them up in knots here

I hate to say it but I'm really not bothered if we go up this season. Part of me wants us to fail just so that VT doesn't get what he wants

Promotion is pretty much guaranteed now mate. The fact its seen as an achievement is amusing. £100m spent since promotion. To be honest I think it's the best outcome for the real fans (promotion) as it will quicken the process. Relegation hurts teams so much that aren't financially prudent and relegation is by far the most likely outcome next year. It will force tans hand and I doubt he'd stick around for another crack at promotion starting from scratch having to lend an unsustainable club yet more money. 4 year contracts are being handed out at 35k a wee and its rejoiced, it really is a frightening position but nobody cares anymore. It's astounding, it really is.

It's not a stupid analogy at all, in fact far from it - it just seems its your usual reply to something you are attempting to disagree with.

However in this case you are completely contradicting yourself. First off let's remind everyone of the fact you recently told me you believe Cardiff and their history was known throughout Europe and now you are saying something akin to "not everyone knew we were blue anyway".

Secondly you are confusing business and passion. Fans don't see clubs as brands. Are you telling me the red of Liverpool means more to their fans than the blue of Cardiff means to theirs? The impact of changing Liverpool from red to their owners favourite colour should recieve the same emotional disagreement as it would changing Barnets from their orangy gold. The fact one is more famous than the other makes absolutely diddly squat difference as we are looking at this from a fans perspective. So that's a moot point.

The rest of your post is more supposition with even less to back it up than I did, which you were vehemently against. There is no proof Cardiff will ever go back to blue there is no proof Cardiff were ever going to fold - these are suppositions based on nothing but a bleak financial situation which has actually worsened dramatically from the time period to which you refer. It's just easy to put it to the back of your mind now that you may see some big teams.

Your perspective both saddens and typifies exactly what is being discussed here. All be it an incredibly contradictory one with sad references to Liverpool meaning more to its fans than Cardiff does to it's. Premier football is valued far more than the club itself mostly driven opn by the new breed of fan since the loans have been taken from both previous chairmen. It's even got into some of the long standing fan, it's an infection. Some dismiss it as modern football but modern football reaches into every club in Britain not just Cardiff and you would be hard pushed to find ANY that would have accepted whats happened here as readily as the fans of this club have,

You can disagree and ridicule in true style as much as you like but this resonates with far more people than you would care to admit, maybe even yourself not that you would admit it. Sad situation that's for sure where some can't see the wood for the trees.

You're tying them up in knots here

I hate to say it but I'm really not bothered if we go up this season. Part of me wants us to fail just so that VT doesn't get what he wants

Tying us in knots Not another login of his are you?

Cardiff City AFC ARE known throughout Europe, but our History? behave your f*cking self.
Some geezer in Italy wouldnt know any more about us than they do about anyone else.
Barcelona are one of the most famous Clubs in the World but I dont know how many times
they have won the European Cup, any more than a Spanish kid would know how many times
Liverpool had won it. But ask most what colour Liverpool play in and the answer would be
RED. So your analogy IS stupid. why would anybody come in and change something known
throughout World Football? Liverpool play in RED. Its NOT a moot point bell end, they have
a hardcore fan base of 50,000 supporters and millions more worldwide. Forget emotion...
if millions of people turn their back on a total change of colour for only a few months...
it would hit the pockets hard.

Our fans emotions? which fans? people like me?
There arent enough of me to make a difference because the 15,000 new ones that
have started coming through the gate in the last ten years DO NOT HAVE THE SAME EMOTIONAL
ATTACHMENT TO BLUE. I am a Cardiff City fan. You are not (give us a f*cking break).. sadly
the 'new breed' who buy season tickets and shirts and merchandise do not care about the red.
Thats how it is. They pay their money though so how are they wrong? the may well love Cardiff
City more than I do, but they love a different perception of the Club.Its up to Tan to meet the
'older' supporter halfway. hopefully he looks like he might well do. What will you move onto
then? the debt?

Here's a supposition for you...

Tan fucks off in the summer. Somehow ties up all he is owed through the Premiership money
and leaves. We would be skint again.

But with assets, and we would be in the Premiership, a far more attractive proposition to a
potential investor than we were when the HMRC were knocking on the door, and we had no
assets.

All you do is go down a dismal negative 'what if' path, and pour scorn on anyone going in the other
direction. Thats not difficult.

your having a pop at me cos im not coming out with any 'hard facts' where are yours?

The 'both' of you

I feel sorry for people that think that way.

For me it will be about my home city getting to the top flight and I cannot wait

Totally agree, percentage wise it's a very small amount of people who feel this way, if anything it's the same guys on here bringing the subject up time and time again, banging on making most people on here thinking its a majority of City fans train of thought.

I can't wait to see Cardiff City in the Premiership be it Pink, Brown, Yellow or RED !

Get over it

Doesn't matter what percentage of people think that way. It is a fact that the vast majority of fans at the stadium didnt even bother turning up when the club was in the lower league. The average attendance as little as 1998 was 4000. So 20,000 of those have decided to come as things started to improve on the pitch,

I have absolutely no surprise at all the the majority now do anything for more perceived success on the pitch, doesn't mean it's the correct ideology. It's the ideology of a group of people who have large jumper on the bandwagon in the last 7 years or so. The club has stood for well over 100.....

Again, you get is SOOOO wrong

Every season a number of people 'commit' their time and money to Cardiff City FC and that alone gives them a certain right to have an opinion regardless of how many years they have been supporting

If we all lived in your world I would be near the top of the hierarchy of supporters, similar to the likes of Annis and others who have supported through thick and thin since childhood

But it doesn't (and shouldn't) work like that and, to some extent, it is the newer supporters that are bringing a little logic to the table, i.e. so long as the club are doing well (and after the Brrrrsol result we are another step forward ) then that is almost ALL that matters

Sad to some long-timers but definitely true and on any match day the guy next to me (or you) is as much a City supporter as I am

I feel sorry for people that think that way.

For me it will be about my home city getting to the top flight and I cannot wait

Totally agree, percentage wise it's a very small amount of people who feel this way, if anything it's the same guys on here bringing the subject up time and time again, banging on making most people on here thinking its a majority of City fans train of thought.

I can't wait to see Cardiff City in the Premiership be it Pink, Brown, Yellow or RED !

Get over it

Doesn't matter what percentage of people think that way. It is a fact that the vast majority of fans at the stadium didnt even bother turning up when the club was in the lower league. The average attendance as little as 1998 was 4000. So 20,000 of those have decided to come as things started to improve on the pitch,

I have absolutely no surprise at all the the majority now do anything for more perceived success on the pitch, doesn't mean it's the correct ideology. It's the ideology of a group of people who have large jumper on the bandwagon in the last 7 years or so. The club has stood for well over 100.....

It's called progression, I'm sure you understand that we would never be top of the league and only have 4,000 watching us still, use your head, people are laughing at you on here

Again, you get is SOOOO wrong

Every season a number of people 'commit' their time and money to Cardiff City FC and that alone gives them a certain right to have an opinion regardless of how many years they have been supporting

If we all lived in your world I would be near the top of the hierarchy of supporters, similar to the likes of Annis and others who have supported through thick and thin since childhood

But it doesn't (and shouldn't) work like that and, to some extent, it is the newer supporters that are bringing a little logic to the table, i.e. so long as the club are doing well (and after the Brrrrsol result we are another step forward ) then that is almost ALL that matters

Sad to some long-timers but definitely true and on any match day the guy next to me (or you) is as much a City supporter as I am

It's not a stupid analogy at all, in fact far from it - it just seems its your usual reply to something you are attempting to disagree with.

However in this case you are completely contradicting yourself. First off let's remind everyone of the fact you recently told me you believe Cardiff and their history was known throughout Europe and now you are saying something akin to "not everyone knew we were blue anyway".

Secondly you are confusing business and passion. Fans don't see clubs as brands. Are you telling me the red of Liverpool means more to their fans than the blue of Cardiff means to theirs? The impact of changing Liverpool from red to their owners favourite colour should recieve the same emotional disagreement as it would changing Barnets from their orangy gold. The fact one is more famous than the other makes absolutely diddly squat difference as we are looking at this from a fans perspective. So that's a moot point.

The rest of your post is more supposition with even less to back it up than I did, which you were vehemently against. There is no proof Cardiff will ever go back to blue there is no proof Cardiff were ever going to fold - these are suppositions based on nothing but a bleak financial situation which has actually worsened dramatically from the time period to which you refer. It's just easy to put it to the back of your mind now that you may see some big teams.

Your perspective both saddens and typifies exactly what is being discussed here. All be it an incredibly contradictory one with sad references to Liverpool meaning more to its fans than Cardiff does to it's. Premier football is valued far more than the club itself mostly driven opn by the new breed of fan since the loans have been taken from both previous chairmen. It's even got into some of the long standing fan, it's an infection. Some dismiss it as modern football but modern football reaches into every club in Britain not just Cardiff and you would be hard pushed to find ANY that would have accepted whats happened here as readily as the fans of this club have,

You can disagree and ridicule in true style as much as you like but this resonates with far more people than you would care to admit, maybe even yourself not that you would admit it. Sad situation that's for sure where some can't see the wood for the trees.

You're tying them up in knots here

I hate to say it but I'm really not bothered if we go up this season. Part of me wants us to fail just so that VT doesn't get what he wants

Tying us in knots Not another login of his are you?

Is it possible for you to debate properly or when someone disagrees with you is it just a natural reaction for you to resort to this childish behaviour?

Cardiff City AFC ARE known throughout Europe, but our History? behave your f*cking self.

You said a matter of posts ago "Cardiff City and our history are known throughout Europe" you are now saying you disagree with yourself?

Some geezer in Italy wouldnt know any more about us than they do about anyone else.
Barcelona are one of the most famous Clubs in the World but I dont know how many times
they have won the European Cup, any more than a Spanish kid would know how many times
Liverpool had won it.

Cardiff haven't been in the top flight for half a century, I see no reason why they would even know the name let alone the history, but quite what that has to do with anything I'm not quite sure, you are going off in all direction is here.

But ask most what colour Liverpool play in and the answer would be
RED. So your analogy IS stupid.

again, what the hell are you talking about. We are talking from a fans perspective yes? Quite what someone in Italy has to do with how Cardiff fans and Liverpool fans will feel about being stripped of their colours is only something you can answer really, as I actually have no idea why you are even going off in this direction. Fans feeling towards their club are not based on anyone else other than themselves. Are you suggesting the red of Liverpool means more to their fans than the blue of Cardiff means to Cardiff fans because Liverpool is more famous? That's sad and completely indicative of the fame hungry generation we live in. To normal football fans liverpools red means no more to their fans than Herefords white to theirs, regardless of national and international standing. Put simply, you are talking rubbish.

why would anybody come in and change something known
throughout World Football? Liverpool play in RED. Its NOT a moot point bell end, they have
a hardcore fan base of 50,000 supporters and millions more worldwide. Forget emotion...
if millions of people turn their back on a total change of colour for only a few months...
it would hit the pockets hard.

what the hell,mid getting more amazed as I'm reading. We are talking about FANS emotions regarding THEIR OWN clubs colours. You have decided you don't want to and are talking about the business side of things? M point was Liverpool fans wouldn't allow the yanks to turn their kit into a homage for the USA - this has nothing to do with people knowing their red. They wouldn't allow it as their colours mean the world to them, as they do with any club. You are simply ignoring the topic here and ranting about something that isn't even being discussed. Bizarre.

Our fans emotions? which fans? people like me?
There arent enough of me to make a difference because the 15,000 new ones that
have started coming through the gate in the last ten years DO NOT HAVE THE SAME EMOTIONAL
ATTACHMENT TO BLUE.

which is exactly what I said, it's stupid when I say it though apparently.

I am a Cardiff City fan. You are not (give us a f*cking break).. sadly
the 'new breed' who buy season tickets and shirts and merchandise do not care about the red.
Thats how it is. They pay their money though so how are they wrong? the may well love Cardiff
City more than I do, but they love a different perception of the Club.Its up to Tan to meet the
'older' supporter halfway. hopefully he looks like he might well do. What will you move onto
then? the debt?

move on to? Yet more bravado and bollocks. If you can't debate anything then don't. But don't try and act like a 12 year old who has lost his sweets coz I will literally run rings around you. Anyway, onto this paragraph, you are agreeing with me once again yet in a disagreeing tone in true style. You are taking a fans debate and looking at it through Vincent .tans eyes to justify it. Correct me if I'm wrong but .vincent .tan is not a Cardiff fan? You seem to be suggesting that it is ok he has defaced the club because the majority of Cardiff fans don't care about the blue and only want Prem football regardless of the off field consequences. Yu are a prime example of this with the dismissive attitude you just took regarding the debt - which may I remind you has increased more than 100% since everyone decided it was a terrible situation.


Here's a supposition for you...

Tan fucks off in the summer. Somehow ties up all he is owed through the Premiership money
and leaves. We would be skint again.

its not a supposition is it. It's an impossible scenario. The prem money is £60m. Around £15m of that gets spent immediately after the final whistle this season on contract clauses. The wage bill will be around £40m for the coming year, not to mention the running of the club etc

But with assets, and we would be in the Premiership, a far more attractive proposition to a
potential investor than we were when the HMRC were knocking on the door, and we had no
assets.

what assets? Are you suggesting that the debt of circa £100m will be wiped out from one premiership season that yields around £2m profit wi absolutely no new signing at all. Baring in mind the average newly promoted side spends £12m just to compete and still usually goes down. Who the hell is going to want to buy a club that has been relegated with £95m debt attached to it and growing, this is fanciful nonsense.

All you do is go down a dismal negative 'what if' path, and pour scorn on anyone going in the other
direction. Thats not difficult.

im being realistic, it is you that are talking what ifs. I'm astounded that you think the debt to tan can be satisfied with £2m. Cardiff currently loses £23 million a year. If promoted and we look at what other promoted teams spend added to the current ongoing financial burdens they will carry forward next years loss will be in the region of £14m so can you tell me how in any way is this going to look attractive for someone else and secondly how the hell you in visage tan getting is money. You are what typifies the fan we are talking about "get to the Orem and its all rosy" do you know how many teams in the prem make a profit?

your having a pop at me cos im not coming out with any 'hard facts' where are yours?

im not having a pop at you at all. I made the point that you are asking me for facts you know nobody can have yet are happy to make suppositions at twice the rate. I have told you why Cardiff city wouldn't have folded and not just a quote from the chief executive but also an explanation. All you have said is Cardiff United playing in the league of Wales. I'm sure you can tell the difference.

The 'both' of you

brilliant ending to a shocking post.

I feel sorry for people that think that way.

For me it will be about my home city getting to the top flight and I cannot wait

Totally agree, percentage wise it's a very small amount of people who feel this way, if anything it's the same guys on here bringing the subject up time and time again, banging on making most people on here thinking its a majority of City fans train of thought.

I can't wait to see Cardiff City in the Premiership be it Pink, Brown, Yellow or RED !

Get over it

Doesn't matter what percentage of people think that way. It is a fact that the vast majority of fans at the stadium didnt even bother turning up when the club was in the lower league. The average attendance as little as 1998 was 4000. So 20,000 of those have decided to come as things started to improve on the pitch,

I have absolutely no surprise at all the the majority now do anything for more perceived success on the pitch, doesn't mean it's the correct ideology. It's the ideology of a group of people who have large jumper on the bandwagon in the last 7 years or so. The club has stood for well over 100.....

Again, you get is SOOOO wrong

Every season a number of people 'commit' their time and money to Cardiff City FC and that alone gives them a certain right to have an opinion regardless of how many years they have been supporting

If we all lived in your world I would be near the top of the hierarchy of supporters, similar to the likes of Annis and others who have supported through thick and thin since childhood

But it doesn't (and shouldn't) work like that and, to some extent, it is the newer supporters that are bringing a little logic to the table, i.e. so long as the club are doing well (and after the Brrrrsol result we are another step forward ) then that is almost ALL that matters

Sad to some long-timers but definitely true and on any match day the guy next to me (or you) is as much a City supporter as I am

We will never agree on this. Someone showing scant regard for a clubs dignity, history and traditions for what is likely to beo e season in the prem at the cost of the clubs existence is not more of a fan than someone fighting for it that has no interest where the club plays as long as its safe.

I feel sorry for people that think that way.

For me it will be about my home city getting to the top flight and I cannot wait

Totally agree, percentage wise it's a very small amount of people who feel this way, if anything it's the same guys on here bringing the subject up time and time again, banging on making most people on here thinking its a majority of City fans train of thought.

I can't wait to see Cardiff City in the Premiership be it Pink, Brown, Yellow or RED !

Get over it

Doesn't matter what percentage of people think that way. It is a fact that the vast majority of fans at the stadium didnt even bother turning up when the club was in the lower league. The average attendance as little as 1998 was 4000. So 20,000 of
those have decided to come as things started to improve on the pitch,


I have absolutely no surprise at all the the majority now do anything for more perceived success on the pitch, doesn't mean it's the correct ideology. It's the ideology of a group of people who have large jumper on the bandwagon in the last 7 years or so. The club has stood for well over 100.....

You have got way too much time on your hands Mate and if you are really unhappy with all the changes and can't accept them then go and support our little drug infested sister molesting 'friends' down the M4




Again, you get is SOOOO wrong

Every season a number of people 'commit' their time and money to Cardiff City FC and that alone gives them a certain right to have an opinion regardless of how many years they have been supporting

If we all lived in your world I would be near the top of the hierarchy of supporters, similar to the likes of Annis and others who have supported through thick and thin since childhood

But it doesn't (and shouldn't) work like that and, to some extent, it is the newer supporters that are bringing a little logic to the table, i.e. so long as the club are doing well (and after the Brrrrsol result we are another step forward ) then that is almost ALL that matters

Sad to some long-timers but definitely true and on any match day the guy next to me (or you) is as much a City supporter as I am

We will never agree on this. Someone showing scant regard for a clubs dignity, history and traditions for what is likely to beo e season in the prem at the cost of the clubs existence is not more of a fan than someone fighting for it that has no interest where the club plays as long as its safe.

Oh dear Cardiff fans. Oh. Fvcking. Dear.

One of your supporters raises a very valid point, backed up with facts about the plastics coming out of the woodwork and the likes, and many of you decide to jump on his back and ridicule him? You might as well show up at VT's house with your trousers down and your hands strapped to your ankles.
As a Leicester fan I feel slightly bad that we've had the fortune to somehow attract a wealthy businessman to boost our promotion push at the expense of other teams (and maybe us in the long run depending on how things turn out). I admittedly feel less bad now that we've brought fiscally sensible Nige back and stopped the cash splashing, but any success is automatically tempered by what I've just mentioned. If it came at the cost of our colours as well?! I'd still support us but I really don't know how good I'd feel about it. That said, I'd have every right to savour what I could from the moment having stuck with city through the lows of relegation to the 3rd tier (and this is as a childhood supporter from our Premiership and regular Wembley visits era: being in the 2nd tier was a bitter enough pill to swallow). So shame on all of you who mocked mellon for having the gall to be a true fan with true passion for his club.

To the mellon brigade: I salute you. It's nice to know that some of you have your heads screwed on. Real fans support the team through thick and thin, and don't just turn up when the going gets good. Much respect.

I feel sorry for people that think that way.

For me it will be about my home city getting to the top flight and I cannot wait

Totally agree, percentage wise it's a very small amount of people who feel this way, if anything it's the same guys on here bringing the subject up time and time again, banging on making most people on here thinking its a majority of City fans train of thought.

I can't wait to see Cardiff City in the Premiership be it Pink, Brown, Yellow or RED !

Get over it

Doesn't matter what percentage of people think that way. It is a fact that the vast majority of fans at the stadium didnt even bother turning up when the club was in the lower league. The average attendance as little as 1998 was 4000. So 20,000 of those have decided to come as things started to improve on the pitch,

I have absolutely no surprise at all the the majority now do anything for more perceived success on the pitch, doesn't mean it's the correct ideology. It's the ideology of a group of people who have large jumper on the bandwagon in the last 7 years or so. The club has stood for well over 100.....

Again, you get is SOOOO wrong

Every season a number of people 'commit' their time and money to Cardiff City FC and that alone gives them a certain right to have an opinion regardless of how many years they have been supporting

If we all lived in your world I would be near the top of the hierarchy of supporters, similar to the likes of Annis and others who have supported through thick and thin since childhood

But it doesn't (and shouldn't) work like that and, to some extent, it is the newer supporters that are bringing a little logic to the table, i.e. so long as the club are doing well (and after the Brrrrsol result we are another step forward ) then that is almost ALL that matters

Sad to some long-timers but definitely true and on any match day the guy next to me (or you) is as much a City supporter as I am

We will never agree on this. Someone showing scant regard for a clubs dignity, history and traditions for what is likely to beo e season in the prem at the cost of the clubs existence is not more of a fan than someone fighting for it that has no interest where the club plays as long as its safe.

You're right. We won't

But don't you start accusing anyone of showing scant regard for the club's dignity just because they don't fall into line with your doctrine. The FACTS are there. The club was CLOSE (if not over the line) to going under and only ONE 'money' man came forward to help out. That man was Vincent Tan (courtesy of TG)

I don't really know ANYONE who is actually HAPPY with the Red/Blue change (I actually know more who used the situation to their own ends to get their money back for reasons 'other' than the rebrand ) but the more considered amongst the fan base RELUCTANTLY ACCEPTED THAT IF THAT WAS WHAT VT WANTED IN RETURN FOR HIS CONTINUING INVESTMENT THEN THAT WAS A PRICE THAT HAD TO BE PAID

He hasn't done too badly for the club SINCE the rebrand, has he

Answer "NO" and the 'dignity' is in supporters RELUCTANTLY ACCEPTING (relatively) MINOR CHANGE after realising that the alternative would NOT have included promotion to the Premiership and possibly not having a club at all

For me, the thought of NO club is infinitely more worrying than the (short-term) colour of a shirt