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Here's a thought...

Tan DID NOT come to Cardiff City, he DID NOT save the Club from the HMRC
and the circling vultures. Cardiff City Football Club DID go bust...

League rules mean that Cardiff City Football Club CAN start again... but have
to do so as Cardiff Phoenix FC or Cardiff Borough, or Cardiff United. Would
anyone prefer red to something like that? Not a sarcastic question. Not looking
for a bite/argument/confrontation.

To be honest if we had to do a Rangers, meaning we would get back to playing in blue with the Bluebird as the main emblem on our badge, I would be all for it. I know that would mean our history of achievements, including the 1927 FA Cup win would be wiped away, but at least it would feel like I would be back to watching the "real" Cardiff City in blue again. I would find it a lot easier to get behind a new Cardiff City in blue than our current Cardiff City in red. Just my opinion of course and I imagine the majority will disagree with this.

No idea what people would think mate. But "Cardiff Athletic" to me or something
like that would feel AS wrong, if not MORE wrong than a different colour shirt.

My opinion anyway.

SHIT!!! I dont want to cause another 'split'

To be fair everyone was going on about Rangers being called Rangers Newco, or Newco Rangers or whatever they were going to be called. But everyone has already got back to referring to them as Rangers and when they work their way back up to the SPL and battle it out with Celtic for the title again, most people will completely forget about them starting from scratch again. I believe the same would happen with us, we would restart as Cardiff City Bluebirds or something along them lines, but everyone will quickly refer to us as Cardiff City. I would honestly rather us restart as a blue Cardiff City than continue supporting a red Cardiff City for the rest of my life. But I appreciate many of you will disagree and feel completely different to me.

I hadnt even contemplated that. A new name would mean losing our 'Honours list'

Wiping away our FA Cup win, three appearances in the Final, Runners up in the league,
League Cup finalists, European Cup winners Cup semi-finalists?? Surely THAT would be
turning our backs on our history and tradition more than a change of shirt (something
we have done before) Hmmmm.. dont think I like that idea at all feller

To be honest I think history is history. All those honours were achieved in blue, but as great as all those achievements are, for me it's about how I feel about things right now. If we went on to win the Premiership, Champions League and dominate world football as how we currently are, of course I would be delighted, but I honestly wouldn't feel the same elation as I did when we achieved things in blue before the Vincent Tan era.

I would have more elation seeing us win for example, the FA Trophy in blue, than seeing us win the Champions League in red, because since the rebrand, the emotional connection I once had has gone. Obviously, I am still going to games this season, I am still having great days out and I am loving the football and how well we are doing, but all this makes me wonder how I would be feeling at this moment if we stayed as the "proper" blue Cardiff City achieving what we have this season.

We are doing so well this season and this has in some ways, made me realise how I really feel about the rebrand. Our current success this season has made me realise it doesn't matter how successful we might be now or in the future, I will never feel the elation I once did when watching us in blue. I would rather not go through the rest of my life watching us in red and feeling as if our future glories are tainted. But as against the rebrand I am, there is no other alternative for me other than to put up with it and continue supporting my local team, as I simply cannot give up supporting my local team whatever happens.

But going back to your original question, if you gave me a choice, it would be a new lower league blue Cardiff City over what we have right now every time. As to me, our blue colour and Bluebird on the badge symbolised the identity of our football club and that was the Cardiff City I grew up supporting, falling in love with and getting a passionate, emotional connection with.

I bet they would take a different colour shirt right now

Funny u should say this Polo I am in Mallorca this moment and a about 25 Pompey are here on a stag do and I've asked them this and everyone one one of them except 2 of said f**k it it we would never change they are all lads from the 80S They said they are proud of being Pimpey colour and name no matter what division

i worked in portsmouth for a long time,an sorry annis i know a lot of pompey fans an have spoke to them
majority said that if it meant change of colour for the investment that city are having they would do it in a heart
beat,they also said that the history books would still say all about there achievements,not what colour they wore when they won the fa cup.

The hypocrisy in this thread is ludicrous

The same peopke crying over a shirt as we have lost our identity are fine with having our name changed and being a totally new club.

You cant make this shit up

Here's a thought...

Tan DID NOT come to Cardiff City, he DID NOT save the Club from the HMRC
and the circling vultures. Cardiff City Football Club DID go bust...

League rules mean that Cardiff City Football Club CAN start again... but have
to do so as Cardiff Phoenix FC or Cardiff Borough, or Cardiff United. Would
anyone prefer red to something like that? Not a sarcastic question. Not looking
for a bite/argument/confrontation.

To be honest if we had to do a Rangers, meaning we would get back to playing in blue with the Bluebird as the main emblem on our badge, I would be all for it. I know that would mean our history of achievements, including the 1927 FA Cup win would be wiped away, but at least it would feel like I would be back to watching the "real" Cardiff City in blue again. I would find it a lot easier to get behind a new Cardiff City in blue than our current Cardiff City in red. Just my opinion of course and I imagine the majority will disagree with this.

WRONG, my friend. We wouldn't be Cardiff City FC anymore than Rebirth Renegers are the same Glasgow Rangers we all knew before. They (Rangers) are in all reality a NEW club with a NEW identity and THAT is a MILLION times worse than any team team that simply changed the colour of their shirts

We can moan and whinge all we like. That is always easy to do (a) from afar, and (b) when we are never really going to be in a position (as Tan is) to OWN the club and spend £millions on keeping it both afloat and progressing

Like it or not Vincent Tan has, erm, sort of earned the right to have a say in what goes on at Cardiff City FC

The hypocrisy in this thread is ludicrous

The same peopke crying over a shirt as we have lost our identity are fine with having our name changed and being a totally new club.

You cant make this shit up

Its getting ridiculous. The fact that our fans wouldnt be for "doing a rangers" is absolutely unbelievable.

10 points clear at the top of the league ffs. Get a f*cking grip. The fact that some of our fans would be willing to see us in league 2 with a different name, f**k all fanbase, no income, shit football and the possibility of going under is an absolute disgrace.

The hypocrisy in this thread is ludicrous

The same peopke crying over a shirt as we have lost our identity are fine with having our name changed and being a totally new club.

You cant make this shit up

No but they can to suite their stance! You are right its hypocracy at its worst?

The hypocrisy in this thread is ludicrous

The same peopke crying over a shirt as we have lost our identity are fine with having our name changed and being a totally new club.

You cant make this shit up

Its getting ridiculous. The fact that our fans wouldnt be for "doing a rangers" is absolutely unbelievable.

10 points clear at the top of the league ffs. Get a f*cking grip. The fact that some of our fans would be willing to see us in league 2 with a different name, f**k all fanbase, no income, shit football and the possibility of going under is an absolute disgrace.

it makes you laugh,if they are so much against it dont renew your season ticket for next season.
you have to give credit to tlg he has stuck to his principles.

Here's a thought...

Tan DID NOT come to Cardiff City, he DID NOT save the Club from the HMRC
and the circling vultures. Cardiff City Football Club DID go bust...

League rules mean that Cardiff City Football Club CAN start again... but have
to do so as Cardiff Phoenix FC or Cardiff Borough, or Cardiff United. Would
anyone prefer red to something like that? Not a sarcastic question. Not looking
for a bite/argument/confrontation.

To be honest if we had to do a Rangers, meaning we would get back to playing in blue with the Bluebird as the main emblem on our badge, I would be all for it. I know that would mean our history of achievements, including the 1927 FA Cup win would be wiped away, but at least it would feel like I would be back to watching the "real" Cardiff City in blue again. I would find it a lot easier to get behind a new Cardiff City in blue than our current Cardiff City in red. Just my opinion of course and I imagine the majority will disagree with this.

WRONG, my friend. We wouldn't be Cardiff City FC anymore than Rebirth Renegers are the same Glasgow Rangers we all knew before. They (Rangers) are in all reality a NEW club with a NEW identity and THAT is a MILLION times worse than any team team that simply changed the colour of their shirts

We can moan and whinge all we like. That is always easy to do (a) from afar, and (b) when we are never really going to be in a position (as Tan is) to OWN the club and spend £millions on keeping it both afloat and progressing

Like it or not Vincent Tan has, erm, sort of earned the right to have a say in what goes on at Cardiff City FC

Oh come on!

You're honestly saying Rangers are a completely different club now? Technically, they are a new team, but they play in the same colours, with the same emblem on their badge, in the same stadium, with the same players, manager, staff etc. Yes, some of their players wanted to leave, but it is pretty much the exact same football club except their history of achievements have been wiped away and they are a few divisions lower. I would take that in a heartbeat to see us back to playing in our proper blue colours with our Cardiff City identity still there, ahead of a lifetime of watching us as we currently are now. The current Rangers is closer to the old Rangers than our current red Cardiff is to our old blue Cardiff in my opinion.

Some people are dull u actually think we would be thrown into division 3 like rangers????

we would be right at the bottom of the football pyramid so stop talking shit saying we'd be like rangers & be put into division 3, we would be like FC United who started a new club cause of the glazers take over.

People chanted 'City Til I Die' and now boycotted.. hmmmm.

Some people are dull u actually think we would be thrown into division 3 like rangers????

we would be right at the bottom of the football pyramid so stop talking shit saying we'd be like rangers & be put into division 3, we would be like FC United who started a new club cause of the glazers take over.

I'm fully aware of that. Where did I say we would be thrown into division 3 like Rangers? The difference is as you have clearly shown in your post, you just want success at any cost. But I just want to be able to watch my team in their proper blue colours with their proper identity, whatever the level.

People chanted 'City Til I Die' and now boycotted.. hmmmm.

Evening Dando. To some fans our club has died when we got rebranded and these fans feel we are not City anymore. Not that I'm saying I feel like that, but I can completely understand how some fans feel and why they are boycotting. You know my feelings Dando and to be honest I do feel really "dirty" supporting us this season, although I don't think I could ever go as far as turning my back on my local club, no matter how unhappy and disgusted I am with what's gone on this season.

Some people are dull u actually think we would be thrown into division 3 like rangers????

we would be right at the bottom of the football pyramid so stop talking shit saying we'd be like rangers & be put into division 3, we would be like FC United who started a new club cause of the glazers take over.

I'm fully aware of that. Where did I say we would be thrown into division 3 like Rangers? The difference is as you have clearly shown in your post, you just want success at any cost. But I just want to be able to watch my team in their proper blue colours with their proper identity, whatever the level.

didnt mention you said it but the way people are saying they would rather do a rangers sounds to me that they actually think they wud start of in division 3 which wud not appen

end of the day i'v watched enough shit dwn cardiff & i want to see us in the prem this wudnt of appened if tan hadn't stepped in & they've only changed the colour the bluebird is still there on the shirt & we are still the bluebirds so im happy to sacrifice the colour of our shirt like many other fans are

People chanted 'City Til I Die' and now boycotted.. hmmmm.

Evening Dando. To some fans our club has died when we got rebranded and these fans feel we are not City anymore. Not that I'm saying I feel like that, but I can completely understand how some fans feel and why they are boycotting. You know my feelings Dando and to be honest I do feel really "dirty" supporting us this season, although I don't think I could ever go as far as turning my back on my local club, no matter how unhappy and disgusted I am with what's gone on this season.

I will be honest in my area there was loads of people who use to go to Ninian Park.. people blame our attendances and say if we didn't rebrand we would be selling out but with the new stadium I think we have lost quite a few fans although we have gained some.

I understand your thoughts on it all.. I guess if people do feel like that then its ashame that it has driven them to boycott.. some fans have done it for publicity and attention (no need to guess).

Here's a thought...

Tan DID NOT come to Cardiff City, he DID NOT save the Club from the HMRC
and the circling vultures. Cardiff City Football Club DID go bust...

League rules mean that Cardiff City Football Club CAN start again... but have
to do so as Cardiff Phoenix FC or Cardiff Borough, or Cardiff United. Would
anyone prefer red to something like that? Not a sarcastic question. Not looking
for a bite/argument/confrontation.

To be honest if we had to do a Rangers, meaning we would get back to playing in blue with the Bluebird as the main emblem on our badge, I would be all for it. I know that would mean our history of achievements, including the 1927 FA Cup win would be wiped away, but at least it would feel like I would be back to watching the "real" Cardiff City in blue again. I would find it a lot easier to get behind a new Cardiff City in blue than our current Cardiff City in red. Just my opinion of course and I imagine the majority will disagree with this.

WRONG, my friend. We wouldn't be Cardiff City FC anymore than Rebirth Renegers are the same Glasgow Rangers we all knew before. They (Rangers) are in all reality a NEW club with a NEW identity and THAT is a MILLION times worse than any team team that simply changed the colour of their shirts

We can moan and whinge all we like. That is always easy to do (a) from afar, and (b) when we are never really going to be in a position (as Tan is) to OWN the club and spend £millions on keeping it both afloat and progressing

Like it or not Vincent Tan has, erm, sort of earned the right to have a say in what goes on at Cardiff City FC

Oh come on!

You're honestly saying Rangers are a completely different club now? Technically, they are a new team, but they play in the same colours, with the same emblem on their badge, in the same stadium, with the same players, manager, staff etc. Yes, some of their players wanted to leave, but it is pretty much the exact same football club except their history of achievements have been wiped away and they are a few divisions lower. I would take that in a heartbeat to see us back to playing in our proper blue colours with our Cardiff City identity still there, ahead of a lifetime of watching us as we currently are now. The current Rangers is closer to the old Rangers than our current red Cardiff is to our old blue Cardiff in my opinion.

Thats a rose tinted look at rangers. rangers does not excist legally! Only in fans eyes do they excist. Our fans are saying city doesnt excist as ccfc anymore. Just a franchise? Ffs we got our name but are not ccfc and rangers cant be called rangers! but fans say they are rangers? Whos right thats the question?

I bet they would take a different colour shirt right now

Funny u should say this Polo I am in Mallorca this moment and a about 25 Pompey are here on a stag do and I've asked them this and everyone one one of them except 2 of said f**k it it we would never change they are all lads forms the 80S They said they are proud of being Pimpey colour and name no matter what division

Not being funny Annis but thats only 23 Pompey fans. They are obviously still living in the 80's, maybe they dont understand football has changed and its now a business.

Your prob right as I am as well and identity, pride, passion and tradition and love for the club I've known for 40 yrs means everything to me

Dont get me wrong, I love the club. But im afraid the only way we're going to see Man utd,Arsenal,Chelsea,Man City at Cardiff is if we make a few sacrifices.

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And the rebrand was a sacrifice we didn't need to make,it was never red or dead

Hmm I'm not sure.

Malky said worst case scenario we'd be relegated.

So, if we got relegated to League 1 what do you think would happen?

Heres what I think.

1. Mass exodus of players
2. Much smaller transfer budget to rebuild the squad
3. Lower attendances
4. Less income
5. Wouldn't be able to pay off our debts
6. HMRC come knocking
7. Back where we were with winding up orders

But ofcourse we we could've been only just staying up in the championship instead.

Rangers titles arent gone...

taken from Wikipedia:
Rangers Football Club is a football club based in Glasgow, Scotland that plays in the Third Division of the Scottish Football League. Their home ground is Ibrox Stadium in the south-west of the city. Founded in 1872, Rangers were one of the ten founder members of the Scottish Football League, and remained in Scotland's top division until the end of the 2011–12 season.

In 2012, The Rangers Football Club plc became insolvent and entered administration, resulting in liquidation when an agreement could not be reached with its creditors. Its assets, including Rangers FC, were bought by a new company, to which the club's Scottish Football Association membership was transferred, enabling Rangers to begin season 2012–13 in the Scottish Football League's Third Division.

In domestic football Rangers have won more league titles and trebles than any other club in the world, winning the league title 54 times, the Scottish Cup 33 times and the Scottish League Cup 27 times, and achieving the treble of all three in the same season seven times. In European football, Rangers were the first British club to reach a UEFA tournament final. They won the European Cup Winners' Cup in 1972 after being runner up twice in 1961 and 1967. A third runners up finish in Europe came in the 2008 UEFA Cup.

I love people who use wikipedia as a reference.

The question is would their fans accept £100m investment condition change shirt colour?
Given their position majority would accept it! Same for any club in same position.
We have been on breadline since at least 1978, if you know city in that year fans
Were asked to chip in to save club from going bust! cant have cake and eat it?

£100m (most of which is just changing debt from someone elses name into his).... In exchange for a change in shirt colour AND £107 million to pay back. You keep forgetting that last bit.

In essence, pay Tan £7m to change historic colours to his favourite colour and change badge to whatever he decides.

The question is would their fans accept £100m investment condition change shirt colour?
Given their position majority would accept it! Same for any club in same position.
We have been on breadline since at least 1978, if you know city in that year fans
Were asked to chip in to save club from going bust! cant have cake and eat it?

£100m (most of which is just changing debt from someone elses name into his).... In exchange for a change in shirt colour AND £107 million to pay back. You keep forgetting that last bit.

In essence, pay Tan £7m to change historic colours to his favourite colour and change badge to whatever he decides.

Sorry, but if you REALLY think Tan is doing anything (shirt colour change apart) that anyone else wouldn't do, then you are deluded. Others (including recent Chairmen) would 'do' us for a lot more than a 7% return

Cost versus Benefit? For him £millions on his investment For us? Premiership football and a new chapter in history for CARDIFF CITY FC

Mr angry where have I said I am for the rebrand,and as for bluebird in my name maybe everyone who has Blue or bird,should change their names.and has for your name you are just trying to live Upton it.ps shall I get my tattoo removed I have of a bluebird

The question is would their fans accept £100m investment condition change shirt colour?
Given their position majority would accept it! Same for any club in same position.
We have been on breadline since at least 1978, if you know city in that year fans
Were asked to chip in to save club from going bust! cant have cake and eat it?

£100m (most of which is just changing debt from someone elses name into his).... In exchange for a change in shirt colour AND £107 million to pay back. You keep forgetting that last bit.

In essence, pay Tan £7m to change historic colours to his favourite colour and change badge to whatever he decides.

Sorry, but if you REALLY think Tan is doing anything (shirt colour change apart) that anyone else wouldn't do, then you are deluded. Others (including recent Chairmen) would 'do' us for a lot more than a 7% return

Cost versus Benefit? For him £millions on his investment For us? football and a new chapter in history for CARDIFF CITY FC

Mmm mellons you sound like a previous mathmatician on here? Anyway if equity is done debt is his! So yes he owns club then and make his money back fair enough as thats buisness the world over. If doesnt he looses whatever he puts in as we will be worthless, so basically hes speculating to accumilate! With club benefiting, if he fails to do anything he looses his investment, its that simple. Colour ect has nothing to do with this arguement! Its investment and return on it for him.

Some people are dull u actually think we would be thrown into division 3 like rangers????

we would be right at the bottom of the football pyramid so stop talking shit saying we'd be like rangers & be put into division 3, we would be like FC United who started a new club cause of the glazers take over.

I'm fully aware of that. Where did I say we would be thrown into division 3 like Rangers? The difference is as you have clearly shown in your post, you just want success at any cost. But I just want to be able to watch my team in their proper blue colours with their proper identity, whatever the level.

But our proper identity is CARDIFF CITY AFC.

How can you say a blue kit is MORE our identity than our name?

I love people who use wikipedia as a reference.

But I dont love you, sweetheart...

check here if you dont believe me or wikipedia: http://www.rangers.co.uk/club/history

Mr angry where have I said I am for the rebrand,and as for bluebird in my name maybe everyone who has Blue or bird,should change their names.and has for your name you are just trying to live Upton it.ps shall I get my tattoo removed I have of a bluebird

A question for you....What will you do with your tattoo if Tan completely moves away from the Bluebird and goes all out with the dragon,will you keep your Bluebird and have a dragon tattoo?,what will you do when the Bluebird becomes extinct?.

My Name is just a bit of fun like many others but!....... I am a Mr and I am Angry about the rebrand so it makes sense to me.

I bet they would take a different colour shirt right now

I bet their fan base would be split, just like ours.

the split in the fan base is minimal

Where did I give any opinion on the level of split?

Whatever side of the debate you are, you cannot deny that there is a split.

There is indeed a split.

However the outcome will be those that want to continue to see the City be sucessful will carry on supporting them regardless. And those that don't will either reluctantly attend wallowing in their own self pity, or stay away missing out on the good times. Only to be replaced by fans eager to watch the Bluebirds in their many guises.

move on with the changes and accept that owners generally dont give a shit what us peasants think anyway. we are top of the league and short of a act of god will be premier league next season.

so stop effing moaning and enjoy the ride because it could all go tits up at any point

People saying they spoke to fans another club and saying they wouldn't accept is just stupid.

They can't really say what they'd do as they haven't gone through it.

People saying they spoke to fans another club and saying they wouldn't accept is just stupid.

They can't really say what they'd do as they haven't gone through it.

The facts are! Any club in our position at time havnt had benefactor step in, they have gone into liquidation or admin, We were lucky tan stepped in, if ask any fan liquidation or investment with strings they will choose investment every time well 99.9%of fans will.