I know this is going to be contentious. I know it will stir

Sticking with your team no matter what is a sell out? Oh grow up.

No. I think their point is that accepting the identity of our club being totally disgregarded in search of Premier League football is being a sell-out.

Shock Horror. Football fans in wanting their team to win.

Let's face it, anybody that has embraced the rebrand, is not a true Cardiff City fan, they would never have hacked it through the old dark but brilliant days of the 3rd & 4th division. These are a new breed of happy clappy fan " only the premiership is good enough " they have no staying power or backbone, one relagation and they would be back to supporting Man Utd or Liverpool, or off to play Rugger down the local egg chasing Rugger club

Sticking with your team no matter what is a sell out? Oh grow up.

No. I think their point is that accepting the identity of our club being totally disgregarded in search of Premier League football is being a sell-out.

Shock Horror. Football fans in wanting their team to win.

At what cost though.

If people have no problem in playing in red - that's fine.

If those people don't count themselves as sell outs - that's fine

If those same people would regard it as a problem even if we plummet down the leagues - then all the above is nonsense and sell outs is exactly what they are.

In my opinion, people only don't have a problem with it because the club is top of the championship. Would this article, if you can call it that, have appeared if the club was rock bottom? Of course it wouldn't. He's simply valuing being top of the championship above Cardiffs traditions. As are others. The outcry if the tide turns on the pitch will be palpable,

Not going to be arsed to reply to this guy as the subject has been done to death. However just like Nottingham are still referred to as scabs like nearly 30 years later, this guy and many others will be known as sell outs until they go to their graves.

Bang on pal

In what way is he "bang on"?!

it may make you feel important or like a bit of a hero cos you dont buy a red shirt but comparing that with people who went on strike and watched their families struggle and go without food to save their jobs and communities is plain ridiculous! Maybe you dont understand the gravity of the miners strike or your families weren't involved.

I've never bought a red shirt but then again i'm not the type of guy who would walk around in a blue bobble hat and scarf either.

It was silly comments like this from people who wanted to be part of KCB that alienated me and people like me from the very beginning and it's comments like this that get my back up to this day.

If there was a way (back then) where i thought meaningful and profitable discussion was on the cards maybe i would have backed such a campaign but in my eyes marches and calling the people who saved us from liquidation malaysian cunts was never an option

Let's face it, anybody that has embraced the rebrand, is not a true Cardiff City fan, they would never have hacked it through the old dark but brilliant days of the 3rd & 4th division. These are a new breed of happy clappy fan " only the premiership is good enough " they have no staying power or backbone, one relagation and they would be back to supporting Man Utd or Liverpool, or off to play Rugger down the local egg chasing Rugger club

I don't really know if this warrants a reply or not to be honest!
Firstly i don't know what you mean by embraced the rebrand as i have never met anyone who when confronted with the rebrand who's first response was "oh yes red is my favourite colour!"

if you're talking about people who still go and support their club in the same way as they did when we played in blue and still think Vincent Tan is good for the club then i think, well i know that your statement is absolute bollocks.

I trawled the country when we were absolute garbage watching us lose 4-0 to rotherham etc and there were hundreds with my view that did the same.

Not going to be arsed to reply to this guy as the subject has been done to death. However just like Nottingham are still referred to as scabs like nearly 30 years later, this guy and many others will be known as sell outs until they go to their graves.

Bang on pal

In what way is he "bang on"?!

it may make you feel important or like a bit of a hero cos you dont buy a red shirt but comparing that with people who went on strike and watched their families struggle and go without food to save their jobs and communities is plain ridiculous! Maybe you dont understand the gravity of the miners strike or your families weren't involved.

I've never bought a red shirt but then again i'm not the type of guy who would walk around in a blue bobble hat and scarf either.

It was silly comments like this from people who wanted to be part of KCB that alienated me and people like me from the very beginning and it's comments like this that get my back up to this day.

If there was a way (back then) where i thought meaningful and profitable discussion was on the cards maybe i would have backed such a campaign but in my eyes marches and calling the people who saved us from liquidation malaysian cunts was never an option

Now that's bang on . Well said .

Paul Abbandonato: I have no problem with City playing in red

Right, I know this is going to be contentious. I know it will stir the pot, that the pro-blue brigade will probably vilify me for my stance.

But I’m going to say the words anyway.

" I have no problems any more with Cardiff City playing in red. None whatsoever. "

There, that’s out in the open, although, let me emphasise right from the outset, that this is a personal view and most certainly not a formal stance from the Echo sports desk.

But please, before you automatically holler in my direction, at least permit me to put forward my arguments.

It was back at the beginning of June when the Bluebirds board of directors took this newspaper into their confidence about the impending and highly controversial change of colour.

I won’t break any secrets about the detail of what was said behind closed doors. Suffice to say that the Malaysians, clearly concerned about the inevitable fans’ backlash, asked for what they dubbed ‘fair reporting.’

Not that, as the local paper, we would do anything other, of course.

A stark choice was presented. Stick with blue and the club’s very future was clearly going to be at stake. Knowing the debts which had been accumulated, that was a doomsday scenario for Welsh sport given Cardiff City FC are as big a brand name as you will get here.

Change to red, on the other hand, and Vincent Tan promised huge sums of money in the transfer market with which Malky Mackay could build a promotion-winning team.

Can anyone deny Tan has been good to his word on that? Right up to the point this week where Fraizer Campbell was brought in to deliver the goals which should pretty much guarantee the 10-points-clear Bluebirds finally reaching Premier League dreamland this spring.

No-one needs to tell me about the forceful views Tan’s decision has evoked. The MediaWales sports desk telephone, e-mails and WalesOnline forums have been inundated with those wishing to express an opinion.

And this, it appears, on one man’s whim to change to a supposedly lucky kit, which, of course, would also be more marketable in the huge Asian market where red is viewed as a strong and vibrant colour.

The Bluebirds’ heritage was blue. That was being ripped apart in one fell swoop by an outsider who didn’t fully comprehend what the colour meant to some City fans.

But, like a handful of hardy others, I’ve been there through the bad old days of Hartlepool United, Lincoln City, Torquay and Rochdale in front of gates of just over 3,000 at Ninian Park.

For me, the Premier League dream for the Bluebirds over-rides anything else right at this moment in time.

And I agree with Neil Warnock on this. If Tan demanded Cardiff City FC played in yellow shirts with purple polka dots, but in return he would provide the funds to ensure the Bluebirds met Manchester United, Chelsea and Liverpool, then I would accept it.

Of course, probably like every single one of you, I would prefer to see Cardiff City paying in blue.

But, for the time being, that is not part of the deal. And the more the season has gone on, the more I have become accustomed to, and accepting of, the new red kit.

I don’t just speak as a member of the Press who gets so-called free tickets to games, either.

Yes, I attend some matches in a professional capacity, but I also buy four season tickets every year. Which, I guess, entitles me to my viewpoint as much as any other Cardiff City follower.

For the first few matches of the 2012-13 campaign, I had to do a double take as the team wearing blue broke to the ‘wrong’ end of the ground after the customary hand-shakes.

Yes, it took a few seconds to realise the Bluebirds were actually wearing red and heading in their traditional direction towards the Canton Stand.

Despite the enormous publicity the issue had generated, it took two months of believing what you were actually seeing with your own eyes, Somewhat surreal, really.

But these days it is second nature to see Cardiff in red and I’m not the slightest bit uncomfortable with it, any more.

Not while success is being achieved, anyway.

For me, the biggest marketing exercise possible for the red strip came in that FA Cup horror show at Macclesfield earlier this month.

That, we should quickly be reminded, was where Cardiff City had come from just a few years earlier. The bad old days, if you like.

The golden rainbow direction in which they are heading is one which sees Robin van Persie, Luis Suarez, Juan Mata. Jack Wilshere, Sergio Aguero and Gareth Bale on the horizon.

I don’t know about you, but I’m licking my lips at the prospect of seeing how big Ben Turner, Peter Whittingham and Andrew Taylor, the most improved player at the club, fare against that little lot.

Every team in the Championship has played in the Premier League bar Brighton, Millwall, Huddersfield, Bristol City, Peterborough ... and Cardiff.

Damn it, even Barnsley have been there.

While arch-rivals Swansea quite rightly earn plaudits for their splendid top-flight exploits, Wales’ capital city and biggest club are still only dreaming.

Well, if a change of kit is the driver of that being fulfilled, then count me in as a backer of it.

That doesn’t mean I don’t totally respect and fully understand the views of those who are still staunchly opposed.

A few have voted with their feet and refused to attend even a single match this season, including friends of mine, who have been there through the days of Barnet, Grimsby and Mansfield.

Strangely, Vincent Tan’s change of colour has finally cured them of a Cardiff City addiction which stretches back decades.

But while I would never be presumptuous enough to try to advise those individuals what to do, I can tell them they are missing out on something very magical down at Cardiff City Stadium right at this moment in time.

When the red kit was first announced, the Bluebirds were mocked by national newspaper and broadcast outlets. But those of us with our ear to the ground here in south Wales knew there was a bigger picture.

The Premier League or a freefall down the divisions, one from which the Bluebirds may never have recovered. An idle threat? Possibly. But if so, it wasn’t a risk worth taking, in my eyes.

One day, probably when the next regime come in, the Bluebirds will return to playing in blue. For the time being, like thousands of others I’m enjoying being swept forward on the magic carpet ride of red.

They say Tan has wiped away Cardiff City’s heritage, but aren’t we witnessing the writing of a wonderful new chapter in the club’s history?

Bluebirds season passes for the Premier League are about to become the hottest ticket in Wales.


Read more: Wales Online http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballna ... z2ItKwZL33

Glory supporter .My own opinion is totally opposite to his because what Tan has done in red could have done in blue still dont no why he changed the colour the man is and always will be a joke.

What an original topic for discussion

Paul Abbandonato: I have no problem with City playing in red

Right, I know this is going to be contentious. I know it will stir the pot, that the pro-blue brigade will probably vilify me for my stance.

But I’m going to say the words anyway.

" I have no problems any more with Cardiff City playing in red. None whatsoever. "

There, that’s out in the open, although, let me emphasise right from the outset, that this is a personal view and most certainly not a formal stance from the Echo sports desk.

But please, before you automatically holler in my direction, at least permit me to put forward my arguments.

It was back at the beginning of June when the Bluebirds board of directors took this newspaper into their confidence about the impending and highly controversial change of colour.

I won’t break any secrets about the detail of what was said behind closed doors. Suffice to say that the Malaysians, clearly concerned about the inevitable fans’ backlash, asked for what they dubbed ‘fair reporting.’

Not that, as the local paper, we would do anything other, of course.

A stark choice was presented. Stick with blue and the club’s very future was clearly going to be at stake. Knowing the debts which had been accumulated, that was a doomsday scenario for Welsh sport given Cardiff City FC are as big a brand name as you will get here.

Change to red, on the other hand, and Vincent Tan promised huge sums of money in the transfer market with which Malky Mackay could build a promotion-winning team.

Can anyone deny Tan has been good to his word on that? Right up to the point this week where Fraizer Campbell was brought in to deliver the goals which should pretty much guarantee the 10-points-clear Bluebirds finally reaching Premier League dreamland this spring.

No-one needs to tell me about the forceful views Tan’s decision has evoked. The MediaWales sports desk telephone, e-mails and WalesOnline forums have been inundated with those wishing to express an opinion.

And this, it appears, on one man’s whim to change to a supposedly lucky kit, which, of course, would also be more marketable in the huge Asian market where red is viewed as a strong and vibrant colour.

The Bluebirds’ heritage was blue. That was being ripped apart in one fell swoop by an outsider who didn’t fully comprehend what the colour meant to some City fans.

But, like a handful of hardy others, I’ve been there through the bad old days of Hartlepool United, Lincoln City, Torquay and Rochdale in front of gates of just over 3,000 at Ninian Park.

For me, the Premier League dream for the Bluebirds over-rides anything else right at this moment in time.

And I agree with Neil Warnock on this. If Tan demanded Cardiff City FC played in yellow shirts with purple polka dots, but in return he would provide the funds to ensure the Bluebirds met Manchester United, Chelsea and Liverpool, then I would accept it.

Of course, probably like every single one of you, I would prefer to see Cardiff City paying in blue.

But, for the time being, that is not part of the deal. And the more the season has gone on, the more I have become accustomed to, and accepting of, the new red kit.

I don’t just speak as a member of the Press who gets so-called free tickets to games, either.

Yes, I attend some matches in a professional capacity, but I also buy four season tickets every year. Which, I guess, entitles me to my viewpoint as much as any other Cardiff City follower.

For the first few matches of the 2012-13 campaign, I had to do a double take as the team wearing blue broke to the ‘wrong’ end of the ground after the customary hand-shakes.

Yes, it took a few seconds to realise the Bluebirds were actually wearing red and heading in their traditional direction towards the Canton Stand.

Despite the enormous publicity the issue had generated, it took two months of believing what you were actually seeing with your own eyes, Somewhat surreal, really.

But these days it is second nature to see Cardiff in red and I’m not the slightest bit uncomfortable with it, any more.

Not while success is being achieved, anyway.

For me, the biggest marketing exercise possible for the red strip came in that FA Cup horror show at Macclesfield earlier this month.

That, we should quickly be reminded, was where Cardiff City had come from just a few years earlier. The bad old days, if you like.

The golden rainbow direction in which they are heading is one which sees Robin van Persie, Luis Suarez, Juan Mata. Jack Wilshere, Sergio Aguero and Gareth Bale on the horizon.

I don’t know about you, but I’m licking my lips at the prospect of seeing how big Ben Turner, Peter Whittingham and Andrew Taylor, the most improved player at the club, fare against that little lot.

Every team in the Championship has played in the Premier League bar Brighton, Millwall, Huddersfield, Bristol City, Peterborough ... and Cardiff.

Damn it, even Barnsley have been there.

While arch-rivals Swansea quite rightly earn plaudits for their splendid top-flight exploits, Wales’ capital city and biggest club are still only dreaming.

Well, if a change of kit is the driver of that being fulfilled, then count me in as a backer of it.

That doesn’t mean I don’t totally respect and fully understand the views of those who are still staunchly opposed.

A few have voted with their feet and refused to attend even a single match this season, including friends of mine, who have been there through the days of Barnet, Grimsby and Mansfield.

Strangely, Vincent Tan’s change of colour has finally cured them of a Cardiff City addiction which stretches back decades.

But while I would never be presumptuous enough to try to advise those individuals what to do, I can tell them they are missing out on something very magical down at Cardiff City Stadium right at this moment in time.

When the red kit was first announced, the Bluebirds were mocked by national newspaper and broadcast outlets. But those of us with our ear to the ground here in south Wales knew there was a bigger picture.

The Premier League or a freefall down the divisions, one from which the Bluebirds may never have recovered. An idle threat? Possibly. But if so, it wasn’t a risk worth taking, in my eyes.

One day, probably when the next regime come in, the Bluebirds will return to playing in blue. For the time being, like thousands of others I’m enjoying being swept forward on the magic carpet ride of red.

They say Tan has wiped away Cardiff City’s heritage, but aren’t we witnessing the writing of a wonderful new chapter in the club’s history?

Bluebirds season passes for the Premier League are about to become the hottest ticket in Wales.


Read more: Wales Online http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballna ... z2ItKwZL33

Glory supporter .My own opinion is totally opposite to his because what Tan has done in red could have done in blue still dont no why he changed the colour the man is and always will be a joke.

Exactly mate purely personal preference . You cannot knock the investment but in my opinion the off field antics pit them up there with blackburns venkys

Let's face it, anybody that has embraced the rebrand, is not a true Cardiff City fan, they would never have hacked it through the old dark but brilliant days of the 3rd & 4th division. These are a new breed of happy clappy fan " only the premiership is good enough " they have no staying power or backbone, one relagation and they would be back to supporting Man Utd or Liverpool, or off to play Rugger down the local egg chasing Rugger club

It's comments like this and comparison with the miner strike that really wind me up.
Everyone that continues to watch Cardiff has "embraced " the rebrand in some way.
The only ones that havn't are the likes of TLG .

Yes we are top of the league!
Yes we've got the best city team on the pitch for year's!
Yes seem's we've got the best manager for year's!
Yes we've got very good owner's willing to back the manager!
Yes we've got a lovely new stadium, that hopefully is going to expand!
All that we have been praying for!
But.................................................................................
Something........................................................................
Is'nt................................................................................
Right..............................................................................
The lifeblood of Cardiff City has always been it's Brilliant, Loyal, Devoted, supporters, supporting the BLUEbirds through
thick and thin, through rough and smooth, through up's and downs, they/we deserve being treated better, to be heared.
We were not listened to unfortunately, so therefor alas, just dont feel right, our identity, our soul, our spirit,our heart of the club has been interfeared with, molested, Yes we look like our dream of Premier football is going to happen.
BUT!......................................................It's a crying shame we could'nt do it in BLUE, BLUEBIIIIRDS!

Not going to be arsed to reply to this guy as the subject has been done to death. However just like Nottingham are still referred to as scabs like nearly 30 years later, this guy and many others will be known as sell outs until they go to their graves.

I cannot 'embrace' the rebrand. I hate it. But the choice was to walk away from
Cardiff City. But why are they all 'sell-outs'? Some believe it was the ONLY way
forward for the Club they love? Admittedly we have a newer fan that isnt arsed
either way, but there are thousands of 'old time' City fans who have swallowed
it cos they never felt there was a lot of choice.

We had a chairman a few years ago who told us he'd never ever leave us in debt
and who then tried to get the Club wound up over money he never even told us
we owed. You forgave him. Are YOU not a sell-out and a scab? Many would say
you are.

We are all entitled to our opinions on here but hey, let he who is without sin cast
the first stone eh?

Calling people scabs in Wales is about as low as you can get

Not going to be arsed to reply to this guy as the subject has been done to death. However just like Nottingham are still referred to as scabs like nearly 30 years later, this guy and many others will be known as sell outs until they go to their graves.

I cannot 'embrace' the rebrand. I hate it. But the choice was to walk away from
Cardiff City. But why are they all 'sell-outs'? Some believe it was the ONLY way
forward for the Club they love? Admittedly we have a newer fan that isnt arsed
either way, but there are thousands of 'old time' City fans who have swallowed
it cos they never felt there was a lot of choice.

We had a chairman a few years ago who told us he'd never ever leave us in debt
and who then tried to get the Club wound up over money he never even told us
we owed. You forgave him. Are YOU not a sell-out and a scab? Many would say
you are.

We are all entitled to our opinions on here but hey, let he who is without sin cast
the first stone eh?

Calling people scabs in Wales is about as low as you can get

He didnt call anyone a scab.

I think some of what you say is true, some do genuinely think it was the only way forward. However I and a lot of other people think MOST of the sell outs did it to get Promoted regardless of whether it was the only way forward or not. The other option was to go into admin and sell all our players this was met with "yeah and we wouldn't be likely to get promoted like that would we". It seems it premier league or nothing to a lot of fans and they were willing to do anything to get it, including allowing us to lose the blue, the badge and pretty much the bluebird.

Pompey on the verge of being thrown out of the league if still in admin by the summer.

Im sure they would take a rebrand right now.

Could easily have been us VT didnt save us.

Not going to be arsed to reply to this guy as the subject has been done to death. However just like Nottingham are still referred to as scabs like nearly 30 years later, this guy and many others will be known as sell outs until they go to their graves.

I cannot 'embrace' the rebrand. I hate it. But the choice was to walk away from
Cardiff City. But why are they all 'sell-outs'? Some believe it was the ONLY way
forward for the Club they love? Admittedly we have a newer fan that isnt arsed
either way, but there are thousands of 'old time' City fans who have swallowed
it cos they never felt there was a lot of choice.

We had a chairman a few years ago who told us he'd never ever leave us in debt
and who then tried to get the Club wound up over money he never even told us
we owed. You forgave him. Are YOU not a sell-out and a scab? Many would say
you are.

We are all entitled to our opinions on here but hey, let he who is without sin cast
the first stone eh?

Calling people scabs in Wales is about as low as you can get

He didnt call anyone a scab.

I think some of what you say is true, some do genuinely think it was the only way forward. However I and a lot of other people think MOST of the sell outs did it to get Promoted regardless of whether it was the only way forward or not. The other option was to go into admin and sell all our players this was met with "yeah and we wouldn't be likely to get promoted like that would we". It seems it premier league or nothing to a lot of fans and they were willing to do anything to get it, including allowing us to lose the blue, the badge and pretty much the bluebird.

However just like Nottingham are still referred to as scabs like nearly 30 years later, this guy and many others will be known as sell outs until they go to their graves.

I disagree. Definitely intimating that those accepting the rebrand are scabs

He said Forest were known as scabs. He also said people like abandonato or whatever his name is will be known as sell outs.

(Quote): "Suffice to say that the Malaysians, clearly concerned about the inevitable fans’ backlash, asked for what they dubbed ‘fair reporting'. Not that, as the local paper, we would do anything other, of course." (Unquote)



I thought of some reports in recent years and laughed. Then (with a shudder) I thought of Steve 'Fantasist' Tucker in particular and that made me laugh even more TBF

Sticking with your team no matter what is a sell out? Oh grow up.

No. I think their point is that accepting the identity of our club being totally disgregarded in search of Premier League football is being a sell-out.

Shock Horror. Football fans in wanting their team to win.

At what cost though.

At what cost?

One the hand you could say a colour.

On the other hand you could say the survival of their football club.

Not going to be arsed to reply to this guy as the subject has been done to death. However just like Nottingham are still referred to as scabs like nearly 30 years later, this guy and many others will be known as sell outs until they go to their graves.

WOW!! A statement almost beyond comprehension!!

How on earth can you compare the red/blue thing with the miners strike, Bakedalasker?

The Notts miners were a bunch of gutless individuals who went against their National Executive when a Government (not too dissimilar to the one we have today) shafted them back in the early eighties. Effectively, they sold their souls on the promises of an ambitious and vindictive Prime Minister who said 'they' would be safe when the strike was over and she set about destroying the National Union of Mineworkers (NUM)

Miners from the rest of the country went on strike for over a year, fighting to save their jobs and living from day to day from handouts and charity from their communities and beyond. Jobs were eventually lost, families were split due to the pressures involved and whole communities effectively left to rot in the aftermath when the strike was the eventually over and rapidly we saw the CLOSURE of ALL the coalfields

The Notts miners will take their consciences to their graves indeed, whilst the miners elsewhere (with some sad and pathetic exceptions ) will take their dignity and pride

WTF that has to do with the colour of a football shirt I don't know!!

My feeling is that you're not old enough to truly remember the situation that occurred back in the early eighties, as anyone who witnessed it will see nothing but contempt for your comments above. Truly embarrassing

Hey, perhaps you might have thought about it like this: "In 30 years time these people will be known as [b]LOYAL SUPPORTERS[/b] who followed their team on an incredible journey after so nearly going out of existence"

I've seen many on here (and elsewhere) claim they are Cardiff City 'supporters' even though they didn't renew their season tickets or simply stopped coming once the red/blue issue arose. The simple fact is that ther are NOT supporters anymore; they simply WERE supporters but have GIVEN UP

And that helps them or the club how????


You need a serious rethink of your interpretation, mate

Not going to be arsed to reply to this guy as the subject has been done to death. However just like Nottingham are still referred to as scabs like nearly 30 years later, this guy and many others will be known as sell outs until they go to their graves.

I cannot 'embrace' the rebrand. I hate it. But the choice was to walk away from
Cardiff City. But why are they all 'sell-outs'? Some believe it was the ONLY way
forward for the Club they love? Admittedly we have a newer fan that isnt arsed
either way, but there are thousands of 'old time' City fans who have swallowed
it cos they never felt there was a lot of choice.

We had a chairman a few years ago who told us he'd never ever leave us in debt
and who then tried to get the Club wound up over money he never even told us
we owed. You forgave him. Are YOU not a sell-out and a scab? Many would say
you are.

We are all entitled to our opinions on here but hey, let he who is without sin cast
the first stone eh?

Calling people scabs in Wales is about as low as you can get

In fairness TA Ian didn't make a direct reference that those who have accepted the rebrand are 'scabs'

What he said was in years to come those who have accepted the rebrand would still be known as 'sell-outs' in the same way as Nottingham fans are known as scabs nearly 30 years after that historic strike.

I get what he is saying even if he has used an unfortunate way of putting his point accross.

However, if he is proved correct then how will future generations be able to tell the difference between those who attended games under protest and those who could see the benefits of VT's investment?

Unfortunatley 30 years later very little is ever spoke about the very small number of Nottingham miners who went on strike in 1984. Nottingham is associated with 'scabs' full stop but there were a small number who stuck to their principles. It will be almost impossible for those who oppose the rebrand to seem geniue to future generations if during all of that time they were still attending games, even if they didn't by merchandise.

I like Ian he is a great poster but on this issue his logic is flawed.

Wheres this ridiculous term "Sell out" come from anyway?

We havent sold anything. We havent gained anything financially from a personal level.

Fans, with Cardiff City in their blood and veins, have decided to carry on watching the team, and wishing it to do well, even though there has been a change of colour. Thats hardly "selling out".

I do wonder how some of you people have navigated your way through the pitfalls of life in general.

Did you all walk away from Marathon's when they became snickers. Opal fruits became starburst. It looked a little strange seeing them on the shelf at first.. to be honest I actually may not have bought one for a little while. But eventually I did, and to my surprise (not) they tasted exactly the same. Cardiff will always be Cardiff.. Red Blue, or polka dots.

Not going to be arsed to reply to this guy as the subject has been done to death. However just like Nottingham are still referred to as scabs like nearly 30 years later, this guy and many others will be known as sell outs until they go to their graves.

I cannot 'embrace' the rebrand. I hate it. But the choice was to walk away from
Cardiff City. But why are they all 'sell-outs'? Some believe it was the ONLY way
forward for the Club they love? Admittedly we have a newer fan that isnt arsed
either way, but there are thousands of 'old time' City fans who have swallowed
it cos they never felt there was a lot of choice.

We had a chairman a few years ago who told us he'd never ever leave us in debt
and who then tried to get the Club wound up over money he never even told us
we owed. You forgave him. Are YOU not a sell-out and a scab? Many would say
you are.

We are all entitled to our opinions on here but hey, let he who is without sin cast
the first stone eh?

Calling people scabs in Wales is about as low as you can get

In fairness TA Ian didn't make a direct reference that those who have accepted the rebrand are 'scabs'

What he said was in years to come those who have accepted the rebrand would still be known as 'sell-outs' in the same way as Nottingham fans are known as scabs nearly 30 years after that historic strike.

I get what he is saying even if he has used an unfortunate way of putting his point accross.

However, if he is proved correct then how will future generations be able to tell the difference between those who attended games under protest and those who could see the benefits of VT's investment?

Unfortunatley 30 years later very little is ever spoke about the very small number of Nottingham miners who went on strike in 1984. Nottingham is associated with 'scabs' full stop but there were a small number who stuck to their principles. It will be almost impossible for those who oppose the rebrand to seem geniue to future generations if during all of that time they were still attending games, even if they didn't by merchandise.

I like Ian he is a great poster but on this issue his logic is flawed.

Why compare any of this to the miners strike, and use the word SCABS at all. Come along
eh? We know what he means. Your right though, the logic IS Flawed. Thousands are scabs
or worse because they forgive Tan for changing the colour of the kits. Yet he is quite content
to let bygones be bygones re: Sam and the High Court. Now thats fair enough, but pot, kettle
and black comes to mind here. And it always does.

Forgive Sam by all means. Forgive the Riddler (some think that overall he did a good job).. say
that overall they brought prosperity and investment to Cardiff City and without people like them
we would still be a third/fourth division outfit.

but to then turn round and say you'll NEVER EVER forgive VT for changing the colour of the kits
and investing close to £100m? smacks of hypocricy to me

Not going to be arsed to reply to this guy as the subject has been done to death. However just like Nottingham are still referred to as scabs like nearly 30 years later, this guy and many others will be known as sell outs until they go to their graves.

I cannot 'embrace' the rebrand. I hate it. But the choice was to walk away from
Cardiff City. But why are they all 'sell-outs'? Some believe it was the ONLY way
forward for the Club they love? Admittedly we have a newer fan that isnt arsed
either way, but there are thousands of 'old time' City fans who have swallowed
it cos they never felt there was a lot of choice.

We had a chairman a few years ago who told us he'd never ever leave us in debt
and who then tried to get the Club wound up over money he never even told us
we owed. You forgave him. Are YOU not a sell-out and a scab? Many would say
you are.

We are all entitled to our opinions on here but hey, let he who is without sin cast
the first stone eh?

Calling people scabs in Wales is about as low as you can get

In fairness TA Ian didn't make a direct reference that those who have accepted the rebrand are 'scabs'

What he said was in years to come those who have accepted the rebrand would still be known as 'sell-outs' in the same way as Nottingham fans are known as scabs nearly 30 years after that historic strike.

I get what he is saying even if he has used an unfortunate way of putting his point accross.

However, if he is proved correct then how will future generations be able to tell the difference between those who attended games under protest and those who could see the benefits of VT's investment?

Unfortunatley 30 years later very little is ever spoke about the very small number of Nottingham miners who went on strike in 1984. Nottingham is associated with 'scabs' full stop but there were a small number who stuck to their principles. It will be almost impossible for those who oppose the rebrand to seem geniue to future generations if during all of that time they were still attending games, even if they didn't by merchandise.

I like Ian he is a great poster but on this issue his logic is flawed.

Nobody has stuck by their principles except TLG, everyone else is just making noise
whilst happily putting money in Tans pockets. You WONT be able to tell the difference
in future generations cos nobody has done a thing about it apart from supporting the
rebrand with their actions

Not going to be arsed to reply to this guy as the subject has been done to death. However just like Nottingham are still referred to as scabs like nearly 30 years later, this guy and many others will be known as sell outs until they go to their graves.

I cannot 'embrace' the rebrand. I hate it. But the choice was to walk away from
Cardiff City. But why are they all 'sell-outs'? Some believe it was the ONLY way
forward for the Club they love? Admittedly we have a newer fan that isnt arsed
either way, but there are thousands of 'old time' City fans who have swallowed
it cos they never felt there was a lot of choice.

We had a chairman a few years ago who told us he'd never ever leave us in debt
and who then tried to get the Club wound up over money he never even told us
we owed. You forgave him. Are YOU not a sell-out and a
We are all entitled to our opinions on here but hey, let he who is without sin cast
the first stone eh?

Calling people scabs in Wales is about as low as you can get

In fairness TA Ian didn't make a direct reference that those who have accepted the rebrand are 'scabs'

What he said was in years to come those who have accepted the rebrand would still be known as 'sell-outs' in the same way as Nottingham fans are known as scabs nearly 30 years after that historic strike.

I get what he is saying even if he has used an unfortunate way of putting his point accross.

However, if he is proved correct then how will future generations be able to tell the difference between those who attended games under protest and those who could see the benefits of VT's investment?

Unfortunatley 30 years later very little is ever spoke about the very small number of Nottingham miners who went on strike in 1984. Nottingham is associated with 'scabs' full stop but there were a small number who stuck to their principles. It will be almost impossible for those who oppose the rebrand to seem geniue to future generations if during all of that time they were still attending games, even if they didn't by merchandise.

I like Ian he is a great poster but on this issue his logic is flawed.

Nobody has stuck by their principles except TLG, everyone else is just making noise
whilst happily putting money in Tans pockets. You WONT be able to tell the difference
in [b]future generations[/b] cos nobody has done a thing about it apart from supporting the
rebrand with their actions

Some say that the malaysian intervention has secured the club for any future generations, regardless of the colour of the shirt.

Not going to be arsed to reply to this guy as the subject has been done to death. However just like Nottingham are still referred to as scabs like nearly 30 years later, this guy and many others will be known as sell outs until they go to their graves.

I cannot 'embrace' the rebrand. I hate it. But the choice was to walk away from
Cardiff City. But why are they all 'sell-outs'? Some believe it was the ONLY way
forward for the Club they love? Admittedly we have a newer fan that isnt arsed
either way, but there are thousands of 'old time' City fans who have swallowed
it cos they never felt there was a lot of choice.

We had a chairman a few years ago who told us he'd never ever leave us in debt
and who then tried to get the Club wound up over money he never even told us
we owed. You forgave him. Are YOU not a sell-out and a scab? Many would say
you are.

We are all entitled to our opinions on here but hey, let he who is without sin cast
the first stone eh?

Calling people scabs in Wales is about as low as you can get

In fairness TA Ian didn't make a direct reference that those who have accepted the rebrand are 'scabs'

What he said was in years to come those who have accepted the rebrand would still be known as 'sell-outs' in the same way as Nottingham fans are known as scabs nearly 30 years after that historic strike.

I get what he is saying even if he has used an unfortunate way of putting his point accross.

However, if he is proved correct then how will future generations be able to tell the difference between those who attended games under protest and those who could see the benefits of VT's investment?

Unfortunatley 30 years later very little is ever spoke about the very small number of Nottingham miners who went on strike in 1984. Nottingham is associated with 'scabs' full stop but there were a small number who stuck to their principles. It will be almost impossible for those who oppose the rebrand to seem geniue to future generations if during all of that time they were still attending games, even if they didn't by merchandise.

I like Ian he is a great poster but on this issue his logic is flawed.

Nobody has stuck by their principles except TLG, everyone else is just making noise
whilst happily putting money in Tans pockets. You WONT be able to tell the difference
in future generations cos nobody has done a thing about it apart from supporting the
rebrand with their actions

You make a reasonable point or two but why can't they just be supporting Cardiff City FC by their actions??

VT et al with come and go. Hopefully, this club will outlast all of us and be there for future generations and the little taffyapples, eh?

[quote="taffyapple"]
Nobody has stuck by their principles except TLG [quote]

What about Angry Adam ?

Not going to be arsed to reply to this guy as the subject has been done to death. However just like Nottingham are still referred to as scabs like nearly 30 years later, this guy and many others will be known as sell outs until they go to their graves.

I cannot 'embrace' the rebrand. I hate it. But the choice was to walk away from
Cardiff City. But why are they all 'sell-outs'? Some believe it was the ONLY way
forward for the Club they love? Admittedly we have a newer fan that isnt arsed
either way, but there are thousands of 'old time' City fans who have swallowed
it cos they never felt there was a lot of choice.

We had a chairman a few years ago who told us he'd never ever leave us in debt
and who then tried to get the Club wound up over money he never even told us
we owed. You forgave him. Are YOU not a sell-out and a scab? Many would say
you are.

We are all entitled to our opinions on here but hey, let he who is without sin cast
the first stone eh?

Calling people scabs in Wales is about as low as you can get

In fairness TA Ian didn't make a direct reference that those who have accepted the rebrand are 'scabs'

What he said was in years to come those who have accepted the rebrand would still be known as 'sell-outs' in the same way as Nottingham fans are known as scabs nearly 30 years after that historic strike.

I get what he is saying even if he has used an unfortunate way of putting his point accross.

However, if he is proved correct then how will future generations be able to tell the difference between those who attended games under protest and those who could see the benefits of VT's investment?

Unfortunatley 30 years later very little is ever spoke about the very small number of Nottingham miners who went on strike in 1984. Nottingham is associated with 'scabs' full stop but there were a small number who stuck to their principles. It will be almost impossible for those who oppose the rebrand to seem geniue to future generations if during all of that time they were still attending games, even if they didn't by merchandise.

I like Ian he is a great poster but on this issue his logic is flawed.

Nobody has stuck by their principles except TLG, everyone else is just making noise
whilst happily putting money in Tans pockets. You WONT be able to tell the difference
in future generations cos nobody has done a thing about it apart from supporting the
rebrand with their actions

You make a reasonable point or two but why can't they just be supporting Cardiff City FC by their actions??

VT et al with come and go. Hopefully, this club will outlast all of us and be there for future generations and the little taffyapples, eh?

By the same token why cant the ones who have accepted the Red be supporting Cardiff City
by THEIR actions? Dont get me wrong I'm gutted at the colour change and if the Bluebird
really does disappear from the badge then I have a difficult decision to make. But it will
be a personal one. I really find it difficult to accept that fans are allowed to support Sam
AGAINST Cardiff City, despite his misdemeanours, yet Vincent Tan is the Devil incarnate.
How exactly does that work? I dont get it. And nobody is willing to answer.

Nobody has stuck by their principles except TLG

What about Angry Adam ?

His decision to stay away because of the rebrand is a noble one.

so noble in fact, that he made it before the rebrand.

A true City fan!