Right behind gay footballers

It's up to the individual what they want to do but homosexuality is not natural and shouldn't be supported in the public eye or shown to children that its ok to be homosexual. Male and Female create life anything else is just wrong

Incorrect as has been proven in this thread. Its like saying ginger hair is un natural and wrong.

Pure idiocy.

Ok scrap my last comment, mr blue_really has been let off the hook. we now have a new contender for most mind-numbingly amazing theory.

Its peoples fault they are gay because they eat cheap chicken, take a bow son

There have been plenty of academic studies on the effects of these chemicals. I haven't the time to research what I have read in various journals etc. over the years, just through an interest in green issues, but just read the two following links:-

http://envirocancer.cornell.edu/factshe ... rmones.cfm

About school children in Italy having bigger breasts (boys and girls) from chicken with growth hormones.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3882159.stm

About sex changes in fish exposed to the pill in sewage pollution.

Don't forget these same hormones are used by transsexuals to grow breasts, lose body hair etc.

Are you still laughing?

Yes, I am. its a stunning thread. It really is.

Sorry but this - lets try and push gay and bisexual people be straight because they will catch a mental illness from kissing a man theory is just bonkers, completely and utterly bonkers.

Im even starting to give the 'you get gay by eating cheap chicken' theory more thought the more i listen to mr blue really and his odd perception of a 'gay lifestyle' making people mentally ill

The fact that the notion of allowing people to make their own choices and not discriminating against that choice "being PC" is quite frankly amazing.

I don't think that you read my initial post, as I did not say that people get gay by eating chicken, I was arguing the point that not all gays are born that way. Furthermore, there was nothing discriminatory in my post. I was just pointing out that chemicals we're exposed to today can cause changes in gender and while that is not a prerequisite for someone to turn gay, it can have a bearing.

Ok scrap my last comment, mr blue_really has been let off the hook. we now have a new contender for most mind-numbingly amazing theory.

Its peoples fault they are gay because they eat cheap chicken, take a bow son

There have been plenty of academic studies on the effects of these chemicals. I haven't the time to research what I have read in various journals etc. over the years, just through an interest in green issues, but just read the two following links:-

http://envirocancer.cornell.edu/factshe ... rmones.cfm

About school children in Italy having bigger breasts (boys and girls) from chicken with growth hormones.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3882159.stm

About sex changes in fish exposed to the pill in sewage pollution.

Don't forget these same hormones are used by transsexuals to grow breasts, lose body hair etc.

Are you still laughing?

Yes, I am. its a stunning thread. It really is.

Sorry but this - lets try and push gay and bisexual people be straight because they will catch a mental illness from kissing a man theory is just bonkers, completely and utterly bonkers.

Im even starting to give the 'you get gay by eating cheap chicken' theory more thought the more i listen to mr blue really and his odd perception of a 'gay lifestyle' making people mentally ill

The fact that the notion of allowing people to make their own choices and not discriminating against that choice "being PC" is quite frankly amazing.

I don't think that you read my initial post, as I did not say that people get gay by eating chicken, I was arguing the point that not all gays are born that way. Furthermore, there was nothing discriminatory in my post. I was just pointing out that chemicals we're exposed to today can cause changes in gender and while that is not a prerequisite for someone to turn gay, it can have a bearing.

But meaning what exactly? What IS your point? We should not allow people to make their own choices in society because some people have turned gay from eating chicken?

I mean, i just dont understand your angle at all.

And by the same token does that mean people born gay can also turn straight by eating this chicken? Does this mean being straight isnt natural?

Interesting...

The point I was making was that not all gays are born that way, which is what was implied by a number of earlier posts. As for people's choices In life I have no bias whatsoever.

The point I was making was that not all gays are born that way, which is what was implied by a number of earlier posts. As for people's choices In life I have no bias whatsoever.

bit of a mute point to the thread though istn it. Its like trying to make a case that its not natural for people to be born with 2 legs by bringing the fact that some have been known to be born with three.

Homosexuals and bisexuals are born that way. Coming across one that become that way from eating chicken is probably a one in a 50 million to one shot and really doesnt affect the case discussing or impact on it any any way shape or form.

They are not all born that way. There is a well known Cardiff Club owner who had so many woman that he became bored with them and turned gay. There are Greeks who hate gays, but will still have sex with them and also do not consider themselves gay. And what about the people who are attracted to Ladyboys who don't consider themselves gay?

They are not all born that way. There is a well known Cardiff Club owner who had so many woman that he became bored with them and turned gay. There are Greeks who hate gays, but will still have sex with them and also do not consider themselves gay. And what about the people who are attracted to Ladyboys who don't consider themselves gay?

And not everyone is born with two legs, yet humans are a species with 2 legs irrespective of exceptions.

There are exceptions everywhere.

I dont care what people consider themselves as, you willingly have sex with a man because you want to then you are gay. Ladyboys appear as women. This happens both ways however, so the point is completely irrelevant.

People are born the way they are. People are attracted to who they are, be that ladyboys, straight people or gay people. This thread is discussing whether people should be encourage to be who they want to be rather than restricting their choices on the whip of a squeamish society.

Your argument is not relative to the point anyone is making.

It's up to the individual what they want to do but homosexuality is not natural and shouldn't be supported in the public eye or shown to children that its ok to be homosexual. Male and Female create life anything else is just wrong

Incorrect as has been proven in this thread. Its like saying ginger hair is un natural and wrong.

Pure idiocy.

You can't compare a fixed physical feature(ginger hair) with a fluctuating behaviour trait. you're not exactly the same person you were 20 years ago but your hair colour may still be ginger. A lot of gays can't help it but the bisexuals shouldn't be encouraged.

It's up to the individual what they want to do but homosexuality is not natural and shouldn't be supported in the public eye or shown to children that its ok to be homosexual. Male and Female create life anything else is just wrong

Incorrect as has been proven in this thread. Its like saying ginger hair is un natural and wrong.

Pure idiocy.

You can't compare a fixed physical feature(ginger hair) with a fluctuating behaviour trait. you're not exactly the same person you were 20 years ago but your hair colour may still be ginger. A lot of gays can't help it but the bisexuals shouldn't be encouraged.

Yes i can as sexuality is a fixed physical trait and not a behaviour.

You are mistaking bisexuality as "undecided" bisexuality means they like both men and women. They cannot become solely gay and they cannot become solely straight, once you understand this the debate can actually develop.

It's up to the individual what they want to do but homosexuality is not natural and shouldn't be supported in the public eye or shown to children that its ok to be homosexual. Male and Female create life anything else is just wrong

Incorrect as has been proven in this thread. Its like saying ginger hair is un natural and wrong.

Pure idiocy.

You can't compare a fixed physical feature(ginger hair) with a fluctuating behaviour trait. you're not exactly the same person you were 20 years ago but your hair colour may still be ginger. A lot of gays can't help it but the bisexuals shouldn't be encouraged.

Yes i can as sexuality is a fixed physical trait and not a behaviour.

You are mistaking bisexuality as "undecided" bisexuality means they like both men and women. They cannot become solely gay and they cannot become solely straight, once you understand this the debate can actually develop.

According to one of the most comprehensive studies looking into sexuality(alfred kinsey), I think ones sexuality can fluctuate.

How come bisexuality between both sexes is getting higher along with mental illness and marital breakdown?
Are you saying that all of todays bisexuals were just dying for society to become more open so they didn't have to suffer in silence any longer ? Or are they just reacting to a trend that has activated within them a dormant tendancy for bisexuality?

Being a parent is completely different to having a sibling.

Let children be children not fill their head with matters well beyond their years just to pay lip service to the pc brigade.

I have 2 daughters 8 and 4 and they are brought up in the right way and to behave respectfully and I will decide when the time is right that they get to learn about more mature matters not when some twonk who hasnt even get any children says so.

spot on.

who the hell do these pc brigade types think they are, a male with no children having the right to say what is taught to my children is absolute bullshit!!

wait until you have your own and conduct your social experiment on them!

Being a parent is completely different to having a sibling.

Let children be children not fill their head with matters well beyond their years just to pay lip service to the pc brigade.

I have 2 daughters 8 and 4 and they are brought up in the right way and to behave respectfully and I will decide when the time is right that they get to learn about more mature matters not when some twonk who hasnt even get any children says so.

spot on.

who the hell do these pc brigade types think they are, a male with no children having the right to say what is taught to my children is absolute bullshit!!

wait until you have your own and conduct your social experiment on them!

It's up to the individual what they want to do but homosexuality is not natural and shouldn't be supported in the public eye or shown to children that its ok to be homosexual. Male and Female create life anything else is just wrong

Incorrect as has been proven in this thread. Its like saying ginger hair is un natural and wrong.

Pure idiocy.

You can't compare a fixed physical feature(ginger hair) with a fluctuating behaviour trait. you're not exactly the same person you were 20 years ago but your hair colour may still be ginger. A lot of gays can't help it but the bisexuals shouldn't be encouraged.

Yes i can as sexuality is a fixed physical trait and not a behaviour.

You are mistaking bisexuality as "undecided" bisexuality means they like both men and women. They cannot become solely gay and they cannot become solely straight, once you understand this the debate can actually develop.

According to one of the most comprehensive studies looking into sexuality(alfred kinsey), I think ones sexuality can fluctuate.

How come bisexuality between both sexes is getting higher along with mental illness and marital breakdown?
Are you saying that all of todays bisexuals were just dying for society to become more open so they didn't have to suffer in silence any longer ? Or are they just reacting to a trend that has activated within them a dormant tendancy for bisexuality?

one of the most comprehensive studies? that study was done in 1948 and does not take into account gender identity also as for comprehensive its considered very basic

why dont you use the Fritz Klein study who designed the Klein Sexual Orientation Grid from 1987 which expanded on the Kinsey Scale greatly. I bet you wont though because it wont defend your bigoted opinion.

It's up to the individual what they want to do but homosexuality is not natural and shouldn't be supported in the public eye or shown to children that its ok to be homosexual. Male and Female create life anything else is just wrong

Incorrect as has been proven in this thread. Its like saying ginger hair is un natural and wrong.

Pure idiocy.

You can't compare a fixed physical feature(ginger hair) with a fluctuating behaviour trait. you're not exactly the same person you were 20 years ago but your hair colour may still be ginger. A lot of gays can't help it but the bisexuals shouldn't be encouraged.

Yes i can as sexuality is a fixed physical trait and not a behaviour.

You are mistaking bisexuality as "undecided" bisexuality means they like both men and women. They cannot become solely gay and they cannot become solely straight, once you understand this the debate can actually develop.

According to one of the most comprehensive studies looking into sexuality(alfred kinsey), I think ones sexuality can fluctuate.

How come bisexuality between both sexes is getting higher along with mental illness and marital breakdown?
Are you saying that all of todays bisexuals were just dying for society to become more open so they didn't have to suffer in silence any longer ? Or are they just reacting to a trend that has activated within them a dormant tendancy for bisexuality?

one of the most comprehensive studies? that study was done in 1948 and does not take into account gender identity also as for comprehensive its considered very basic

why dont you use the Fritz Klein study who designed the Klein Sexual Orientation Grid from 1987 which expanded on the Kinsey Scale greatly. I bet you wont though because it wont defend your bigoted opinion.

jonny you keep picking and choosing what points to answer.

The kinsey study is old but so is Einsteins theory of relativity. I haven't heard of those reports, broadly, what do they say?

It's up to the individual what they want to do but homosexuality is not natural and shouldn't be supported in the public eye or shown to children that its ok to be homosexual. Male and Female create life anything else is just wrong

Incorrect as has been proven in this thread. Its like saying ginger hair is un natural and wrong.

Pure idiocy.

You can't compare a fixed physical feature(ginger hair) with a fluctuating behaviour trait. you're not exactly the same person you were 20 years ago but your hair colour may still be ginger. A lot of gays can't help it but the bisexuals shouldn't be encouraged.

Yes i can as sexuality is a fixed physical trait and not a behaviour.

You are mistaking bisexuality as "undecided" bisexuality means they like both men and women. They cannot become solely gay and they cannot become solely straight, once you understand this the debate can actually develop.

According to one of the most comprehensive studies looking into sexuality(alfred kinsey), I think ones sexuality can fluctuate.

How come bisexuality between both sexes is getting higher along with mental illness and marital breakdown?
Are you saying that all of todays bisexuals were just dying for society to become more open so they didn't have to suffer in silence any longer ? Or are they just reacting to a trend that has activated within them a dormant tendancy for bisexuality?

one of the most comprehensive studies? that study was done in 1948 and does not take into account gender identity also as for comprehensive its considered very basic

why dont you use the Fritz Klein study who designed the Klein Sexual Orientation Grid from 1987 which expanded on the Kinsey Scale greatly. I bet you wont though because it wont defend your bigoted opinion.

Jesus christ jonny, i just read the first 8 lines of Fritz Kleins wikki page ......

Fred "Fritz" Klein (December 27, 1932 – May 24, 2006) was an American psychiatrist and sex researcher who studied bisexuals and their relationships. He helped begin a foundation that promoted bisexual culture. He was an author and editor, as well as the developer of the Klein Sexual Orientation Grid a scale that measures an individual's sexual orientation. Klein believed that sexual orientation changed over the course of a lifetime and that researches underestimated the number of men that had sexual interactions with both sexes.[1] He was a proponent of using Neurolinguistic programming to change behavior.

Isn't that in support of what i've been saying?

It's up to the individual what they want to do but homosexuality is not natural and shouldn't be supported in the public eye or shown to children that its ok to be homosexual. Male and Female create life anything else is just wrong

Incorrect as has been proven in this thread. Its like saying ginger hair is un natural and wrong.

Pure idiocy.

You can't compare a fixed physical feature(ginger hair) with a fluctuating behaviour trait. you're not exactly the same person you were 20 years ago but your hair colour may still be ginger. A lot of gays can't help it but the bisexuals shouldn't be encouraged.

Yes i can as sexuality is a fixed physical trait and not a behaviour.

You are mistaking bisexuality as "undecided" bisexuality means they like both men and women. They cannot become solely gay and they cannot become solely straight, once you understand this the debate can actually develop.

According to one of the most comprehensive studies looking into sexuality(alfred kinsey), I think ones sexuality can fluctuate.

How come bisexuality between both sexes is getting higher along with mental illness and marital breakdown?
Are you saying that all of todays bisexuals were just dying for society to become more open so they didn't have to suffer in silence any longer ? Or are they just reacting to a trend that has activated within them a dormant tendancy for bisexuality?

one of the most comprehensive studies? that study was done in 1948 and does not take into account gender identity also as for comprehensive its considered very basic

why dont you use the Fritz Klein study who designed the Klein Sexual Orientation Grid from 1987 which expanded on the Kinsey Scale greatly. I bet you wont though because it wont defend your bigoted opinion.

jonny you keep picking and choosing what points to answer.

The kinsey study is old but so is Einsteins theory of relativity. I haven't heard of those reports, broadly, what do they say?

no I dont pick and choose I will answer a question once and your attempts to discredit people by denying their answers exist because they are 3 pages back is pathetic I dont need to repeat myself

and if you only know a study that was made in 1948 and very limited by design, you really dont know what your talking about and vastly out of your depth

Ive got an idea for you, look the studies up yourself and you might learn something

ill help you out get you a start Kinsey's study was very linear and used self evaluation

Kleins study investigated that sexual orientation was a 'dynamic, multivariable process and came up with a test

Though I will have some fun with you because even Kinsey disagrees with your whole thought process

'Males do not represent two discrete populations, heterosexual and homosexual. The world is not to be divided into sheep and goats, The living world is a continuum in each and every one of its aspects'

'It is a characteristic of the human mind that tries to dichotomize in its classification of phenomena, Sexual behaviour is either normal or abnormal, socially acceptable or unacceptable, heterosexual or homosexual; and many persons do not want to believe that there are gradations in these matters from one to the other extreme'

It's up to the individual what they want to do but homosexuality is not natural and shouldn't be supported in the public eye or shown to children that its ok to be homosexual. Male and Female create life anything else is just wrong

Incorrect as has been proven in this thread. Its like saying ginger hair is un natural and wrong.

Pure idiocy.

You can't compare a fixed physical feature(ginger hair) with a fluctuating behaviour trait. you're not exactly the same person you were 20 years ago but your hair colour may still be ginger. A lot of gays can't help it but the bisexuals shouldn't be encouraged.

Yes i can as sexuality is a fixed physical trait and not a behaviour.

You are mistaking bisexuality as "undecided" bisexuality means they like both men and women. They cannot become solely gay and they cannot become solely straight, once you understand this the debate can actually develop.

According to one of the most comprehensive studies looking into sexuality(alfred kinsey), I think ones sexuality can fluctuate.

How come bisexuality between both sexes is getting higher along with mental illness and marital breakdown?
Are you saying that all of todays bisexuals were just dying for society to become more open so they didn't have to suffer in silence any longer ? Or are they just reacting to a trend that has activated within them a dormant tendancy for bisexuality?

one of the most comprehensive studies? that study was done in 1948 and does not take into account gender identity also as for comprehensive its considered very basic

why dont you use the Fritz Klein study who designed the Klein Sexual Orientation Grid from 1987 which expanded on the Kinsey Scale greatly. I bet you wont though because it wont defend your bigoted opinion.

jonny you keep picking and choosing what points to answer.

The kinsey study is old but so is Einsteins theory of relativity. I haven't heard of those reports, broadly, what do they say?

no I dont pick and choose I will answer a question once and your attempts to discredit people by denying their answers exist because they are 3 pages back is pathetic I dont need to repeat myself

and if you only know a study that was made in 1948 and very limited by design, you really dont know what your talking about and vastly out of your depth

Ive got an idea for you, look the studies up yourself and you might learn something

ill help you out get you a start Kinsey's study was very linear and used self evaluation

Kleins study investigated that sexual orientation was a 'dynamic, multivariable process and came up with a test

Though I will have some fun with you because even Kinsey disagrees with your whole thought process

'Males do not represent two discrete populations, heterosexual and homosexual. The world is not to be divided into sheep and goats, The living world is a continuum in each and every one of its aspects'

'It is a characteristic of the human mind that tries to dichotomize in its classification of phenomena, Sexual behaviour is either normal or abnormal, socially acceptable or unacceptable, heterosexual or homosexual; and many persons do not want to believe that there are gradations in these matters from one to the other extreme'

I agree that some peoples sexuality can fluctuate, they can become more gay if society nudges them that way, less gay if we are sensible and nudge them into family life with a woman. at the begining of this thread i'm sure that you claimed gays were gays and couldn't help it, now you're arguing against that.

It's up to the individual what they want to do but homosexuality is not natural and shouldn't be supported in the public eye or shown to children that its ok to be homosexual. Male and Female create life anything else is just wrong

Incorrect as has been proven in this thread. Its like saying ginger hair is un natural and wrong.

Pure idiocy.

You can't compare a fixed physical feature(ginger hair) with a fluctuating behaviour trait. you're not exactly the same person you were 20 years ago but your hair colour may still be ginger. A lot of gays can't help it but the bisexuals shouldn't be encouraged.

Yes i can as sexuality is a fixed physical trait and not a behaviour.

You are mistaking bisexuality as "undecided" bisexuality means they like both men and women. They cannot become solely gay and they cannot become solely straight, once you understand this the debate can actually develop.

According to one of the most comprehensive studies looking into sexuality(alfred kinsey), I think ones sexuality can fluctuate.

How come bisexuality between both sexes is getting higher along with mental illness and marital breakdown?
Are you saying that all of todays bisexuals were just dying for society to become more open so they didn't have to suffer in silence any longer ? Or are they just reacting to a trend that has activated within them a dormant tendancy for bisexuality?

one of the most comprehensive studies? that study was done in 1948 and does not take into account gender identity also as for comprehensive its considered very basic

why dont you use the Fritz Klein study who designed the Klein Sexual Orientation Grid from 1987 which expanded on the Kinsey Scale greatly. I bet you wont though because it wont defend your bigoted opinion.

Jesus christ jonny, i just read the first 8 lines of Fritz Kleins wikki page ......

Fred "Fritz" Klein (December 27, 1932 – May 24, 2006) was an American psychiatrist and sex researcher who studied bisexuals and their relationships. He helped begin a foundation that promoted bisexual culture. He was an author and editor, as well as the developer of the Klein Sexual Orientation Grid a scale that measures an individual's sexual orientation. Klein believed that sexual orientation changed over the course of a lifetime and that researches underestimated the number of men that had sexual interactions with both sexes.[1] He was a proponent of using Neurolinguistic programming to change behavior.

Isn't that in support of what i've been saying?

no not at all

your trying to force people into 1 of 2 distinct groups gay or straight

Kinsey and Kleins studies discovered variables Heterosexual, heterosexual mostly, heterosexual more, heterosexual/homosexual equally, homosexual more, homosexual somewhat, homosexual only.

what your attempting to do is encourage heterosexual/homosexual equally orientate to heterosexual only or homosexual only

Kinsey never expanded on his findings but proved bisexuality was a real thing

Klein pushed those findings and said you cannot limit though a man maybe bisexual by nature he may push towards the heterosexual side of the scale rather than the homosexual side of the scale. This wasnt wholly based on sexual attraction but based on affection and lifestyle and social preference.

None of which supports any of what you are saying

It's up to the individual what they want to do but homosexuality is not natural and shouldn't be supported in the public eye or shown to children that its ok to be homosexual. Male and Female create life anything else is just wrong

Incorrect as has been proven in this thread. Its like saying ginger hair is un natural and wrong.

Pure idiocy.

You can't compare a fixed physical feature(ginger hair) with a fluctuating behaviour trait. you're not exactly the same person you were 20 years ago but your hair colour may still be ginger. A lot of gays can't help it but the bisexuals shouldn't be encouraged.

Yes i can as sexuality is a fixed physical trait and not a behaviour.

You are mistaking bisexuality as "undecided" bisexuality means they like both men and women. They cannot become solely gay and they cannot become solely straight, once you understand this the debate can actually develop.

According to one of the most comprehensive studies looking into sexuality(alfred kinsey), I think ones sexuality can fluctuate.

How come bisexuality between both sexes is getting higher along with mental illness and marital breakdown?
Are you saying that all of todays bisexuals were just dying for society to become more open so they didn't have to suffer in silence any longer ? Or are they just reacting to a trend that has activated within them a dormant tendancy for bisexuality?

one of the most comprehensive studies? that study was done in 1948 and does not take into account gender identity also as for comprehensive its considered very basic

why dont you use the Fritz Klein study who designed the Klein Sexual Orientation Grid from 1987 which expanded on the Kinsey Scale greatly. I bet you wont though because it wont defend your bigoted opinion.

jonny you keep picking and choosing what points to answer.

The kinsey study is old but so is Einsteins theory of relativity. I haven't heard of those reports, broadly, what do they say?

no I dont pick and choose I will answer a question once and your attempts to discredit people by denying their answers exist because they are 3 pages back is pathetic I dont need to repeat myself

and if you only know a study that was made in 1948 and very limited by design, you really dont know what your talking about and vastly out of your depth

Ive got an idea for you, look the studies up yourself and you might learn something

ill help you out get you a start Kinsey's study was very linear and used self evaluation

Kleins study investigated that sexual orientation was a 'dynamic, multivariable process and came up with a test

Though I will have some fun with you because even Kinsey disagrees with your whole thought process

'Males do not represent two discrete populations, heterosexual and homosexual. The world is not to be divided into sheep and goats, The living world is a continuum in each and every one of its aspects'

'It is a characteristic of the human mind that tries to dichotomize in its classification of phenomena, Sexual behaviour is either normal or abnormal, socially acceptable or unacceptable, heterosexual or homosexual; and many persons do not want to believe that there are gradations in these matters from one to the other extreme'

I agree that some peoples sexuality can fluctuate, they can become more gay if society nudges them that way, less gay if we are sensible and nudge them into family life with a woman. at the begining of this thread i'm sure that you claimed gays were gays and couldn't help it, now you're arguing against that.

no gay people are gay they are at one end of the scale same as straight people are at the other

gay men find the idea of having sex with a woman as disgusting as a straight man would find having sex with a man

that doesnt change

you dont know what your talking about

It's up to the individual what they want to do but homosexuality is not natural and shouldn't be supported in the public eye or shown to children that its ok to be homosexual. Male and Female create life anything else is just wrong

Incorrect as has been proven in this thread. Its like saying ginger hair is un natural and wrong.

Pure idiocy.

You can't compare a fixed physical feature(ginger hair) with a fluctuating behaviour trait. you're not exactly the same person you were 20 years ago but your hair colour may still be ginger. A lot of gays can't help it but the bisexuals shouldn't be encouraged.

Yes i can as sexuality is a fixed physical trait and not a behaviour.

You are mistaking bisexuality as "undecided" bisexuality means they like both men and women. They cannot become solely gay and they cannot become solely straight, once you understand this the debate can actually develop.

According to one of the most comprehensive studies looking into sexuality(alfred kinsey), I think ones sexuality can fluctuate.

How come bisexuality between both sexes is getting higher along with mental illness and marital breakdown?
Are you saying that all of todays bisexuals were just dying for society to become more open so they didn't have to suffer in silence any longer ? Or are they just reacting to a trend that has activated within them a dormant tendancy for bisexuality?

one of the most comprehensive studies? that study was done in 1948 and does not take into account gender identity also as for comprehensive its considered very basic

why dont you use the Fritz Klein study who designed the Klein Sexual Orientation Grid from 1987 which expanded on the Kinsey Scale greatly. I bet you wont though because it wont defend your bigoted opinion.

jonny you keep picking and choosing what points to answer.

The kinsey study is old but so is Einsteins theory of relativity. I haven't heard of those reports, broadly, what do they say?

no I dont pick and choose I will answer a question once and your attempts to discredit people by denying their answers exist because they are 3 pages back is pathetic I dont need to repeat myself

and if you only know a study that was made in 1948 and very limited by design, you really dont know what your talking about and vastly out of your depth

Ive got an idea for you, look the studies up yourself and you might learn something

ill help you out get you a start Kinsey's study was very linear and used self evaluation

Kleins study investigated that sexual orientation was a 'dynamic, multivariable process and came up with a test

Though I will have some fun with you because even Kinsey disagrees with your whole thought process

'Males do not represent two discrete populations, heterosexual and homosexual. The world is not to be divided into sheep and goats, The living world is a continuum in each and every one of its aspects'

'It is a characteristic of the human mind that tries to dichotomize in its classification of phenomena, Sexual behaviour is either normal or abnormal, socially acceptable or unacceptable, heterosexual or homosexual; and many persons do not want to believe that there are gradations in these matters from one to the other extreme'

I agree that some peoples sexuality can fluctuate, they can become more gay if society nudges them that way, less gay if we are sensible and nudge them into family life with a woman. at the begining of this thread i'm sure that you claimed gays were gays and couldn't help it, now you're arguing against that.

no gay people are gay they are at one end of the scale same as straight people are at the other

gay men find the idea of having sex with a woman as disgusting as a straight man would find having sex with a man

that doesnt change

you dont know what your talking about

I'm talking about the fence sitters who's sexuality can fluctuate, i have always stated this and now atlast you agree with me. Thanks.

Incorrect as has been proven in this thread. Its like saying ginger hair is un natural and wrong.

Pure idiocy.

You can't compare a fixed physical feature(ginger hair) with a fluctuating behaviour trait. you're not exactly the same person you were 20 years ago but your hair colour may still be ginger. A lot of gays can't help it but the bisexuals shouldn't be encouraged.

Yes i can as sexuality is a fixed physical trait and not a behaviour.

You are mistaking bisexuality as "undecided" bisexuality means they like both men and women. They cannot become solely gay and they cannot become solely straight, once you understand this the debate can actually develop.

According to one of the most comprehensive studies looking into sexuality(alfred kinsey), I think ones sexuality can fluctuate.

How come bisexuality between both sexes is getting higher along with mental illness and marital breakdown?
Are you saying that all of todays bisexuals were just dying for society to become more open so they didn't have to suffer in silence any longer ? Or are they just reacting to a trend that has activated within them a dormant tendancy for bisexuality?

one of the most comprehensive studies? that study was done in 1948 and does not take into account gender identity also as for comprehensive its considered very basic

why dont you use the Fritz Klein study who designed the Klein Sexual Orientation Grid from 1987 which expanded on the Kinsey Scale greatly. I bet you wont though because it wont defend your bigoted opinion.

jonny you keep picking and choosing what points to answer.

The kinsey study is old but so is Einsteins theory of relativity. I haven't heard of those reports, broadly, what do they say?

no I dont pick and choose I will answer a question once and your attempts to discredit people by denying their answers exist because they are 3 pages back is pathetic I dont need to repeat myself

and if you only know a study that was made in 1948 and very limited by design, you really dont know what your talking about and vastly out of your depth

Ive got an idea for you, look the studies up yourself and you might learn something

ill help you out get you a start Kinsey's study was very linear and used self evaluation

Kleins study investigated that sexual orientation was a 'dynamic, multivariable process and came up with a test

Though I will have some fun with you because even Kinsey disagrees with your whole thought process

'Males do not represent two discrete populations, heterosexual and homosexual. The world is not to be divided into sheep and goats, The living world is a continuum in each and every one of its aspects'

'It is a characteristic of the human mind that tries to dichotomize in its classification of phenomena, Sexual behaviour is either normal or abnormal, socially acceptable or unacceptable, heterosexual or homosexual; and many persons do not want to believe that there are gradations in these matters from one to the other extreme'

I agree that some peoples sexuality can fluctuate, they can become more gay if society nudges them that way, less gay if we are sensible and nudge them into family life with a woman. at the begining of this thread i'm sure that you claimed gays were gays and couldn't help it, now you're arguing against that.

no gay people are gay they are at one end of the scale same as straight people are at the other

gay men find the idea of having sex with a woman as disgusting as a straight man would find having sex with a man

that doesnt change

you dont know what your talking about

I'm talking about the fence sitters who's sexuality can fluctuate, i have always stated this and now you agree with me. Thanks.

What fence sitters?

I dont agree with you at all

you deny bisexuality exists

there are two studies one you raised that prove you wrong

Like most trolls and idiots you pick snippets of information that support your belief and run with it

then you play mind games to try and discredit your opposition despite all the evidence against you

DO NOT FOR ONE MOMENT THINK I SUPPROT ANYTHING YOU SAY OR ANYTHING I HAVE SAID SUPPORTS YOUR ARGUMENT

your out of your depth

Somebody that doesn't know the difference between your* and you're* telling me i'm out of my depth.

I have never denied the existence of bisexuality. My argument was and still is this , How a bisexual arrives at a homosexual choice isn't always pre determined by genetics, Instead social trends , personal choice & experiences through life play a part , Therefore they 'can help it' Ergo, Society, along with the individual should not relinquish responsibility, Klien Fritz agrees that sexuality fluctuates remember .
You keep calling me names and denying me answers to my questions jonny, it all started when you realised i had won the argument. I still haven't heard how you would 'make people' accept homosexuality along with pro homosexual campaigns. 'make them' is your words not mine.

Somebody that doesn't know the difference between your* and you're* telling me i'm out of my depth.

I have never denied the existence of bisexuality. My argument was and still is this , How a bisexual arrives at a homosexual choice isn't always pre determined by genetics, Instead social trends , personal choice & experiences through life play a part , Therefore they 'can help it' Ergo, Society, along with the individual should not relinquish responsibility, Klien Fritz agrees that sexuality fluctuates remember .
You keep calling me names and denying me answers to my questions jonny, it all started when you realised i had won the argument. I still haven't heard how you would 'make people' accept homosexuality along with pro homosexual campaigns. 'make them' is your words not mine.

No I havent lost anything I got bored with you when you denied posts I had written existed

youre relying on the fact that environmental factors are the major instigators in sexual preference and ergo if you mold the environment to suit societies norms you can drastically change peoples sexual orientation

nothing is further from the truth

if you believed that every infantry soldier would be a raging homosexual based on the fact that he lives in a male dominated environment

it would mean you have finally found the cure for homosexuality or the cure for heterosexuality depending on which side of the scale you are on

why would I make people do anything?

all im telling you is despite all the hate fueled nonsense you have spouted people have to accept that homosexuality is real, bisexuality is real

I do find your comment fence sitter intriguing as a person who does not want to choose one or the other

why do they have to?

what are you going to do to make people choose?

your words not mine

Somebody that doesn't know the difference between your* and you're* telling me i'm out of my depth.

I have never denied the existence of bisexuality. My argument was and still is this , How a bisexual arrives at a homosexual choice isn't always pre determined by genetics, Instead social trends , personal choice & experiences through life play a part , Therefore they 'can help it' Ergo, Society, along with the individual should not relinquish responsibility, Klien Fritz agrees that sexuality fluctuates remember .
You keep calling me names and denying me answers to my questions jonny, it all started when you realised i had won the argument. I still haven't heard how you would 'make people' accept homosexuality along with pro homosexual campaigns. 'make them' is your words not mine.

No I havent lost anything I got bored with you when you denied posts I had written existed

Do you always start calling people names when bored?

youre relying on the fact that environmental factors are the major instigators in sexual preference and ergo if you mold the environment to suit societies norms you can drastically change peoples sexual orientation

nothing is further from the truth

I never said it's the major cause, but it is a large cause which we both now agree?

if you believed that every infantry soldier would be a raging homosexual based on the fact that he lives in a male dominated environment

The army is massively heterosexual.

it would mean you have finally found the cure for homosexuality or the cure for heterosexuality depending on which side of the scale you are on

Not a cure but a method to curb bisexuality leading to homosexuality. The cure is allowing groups and societies to regulate themselves and not shouting down traditionalists as 'homophobes. This is whathappened back-in-the-day and bisexuals usually chose heterosexuality without any problems, depression was lower each decade you go back during the last century.

why would I make people do anything?

You said that those who don't agree with homosexuals choices shoul be made to change, How?

all im telling you is despite all the hate fueled nonsense you have spouted people have to accept that homosexuality is real, bisexuality is real

Show me an example if hate? Bisexual is real but it's can be fueled by PC do gooders needlessly.

I do find your comment fence sitter intriguing as a person who does not want to choose one or the other

why do they have to? what are you going to do to make people choose?

They should choose heterosexuality because it's better for society and better for their mentall well being remember .
A Free society would make them choose by subliminally showing a preference for tradition. It's as benign as that, you wouldn't even need nudge -theory. or heaven forbid someone like you 'making them' Just like you tried to makeme accept your argument by calling me names and calling me stupid.

jonny I answered all your questions in compartments but the lay out is as clear as mud.

Somebody that doesn't know the difference between your* and you're* telling me i'm out of my depth.

I have never denied the existence of bisexuality. My argument was and still is this , How a bisexual arrives at a homosexual choice isn't always pre determined by genetics, Instead social trends , personal choice & experiences through life play a part , Therefore they 'can help it' Ergo, Society, along with the individual should not relinquish responsibility, Klien Fritz agrees that sexuality fluctuates remember .
You keep calling me names and denying me answers to my questions jonny, it all started when you realised i had won the argument. I still haven't heard how you would 'make people' accept homosexuality along with pro homosexual campaigns. 'make them' is your words not mine.

No I havent lost anything I got bored with you when you denied posts I had written existed

Do you always start calling people names when bored?

youre relying on the fact that environmental factors are the major instigators in sexual preference and ergo if you mold the environment to suit societies norms you can drastically change peoples sexual orientation

nothing is further from the truth

I never said it's the major cause, but it is a large cause which we both now agree?

if you believed that every infantry soldier would be a raging homosexual based on the fact that he lives in a male dominated environment

The army is massively heterosexual.

it would mean you have finally found the cure for homosexuality or the cure for heterosexuality depending on which side of the scale you are on

Not a cure but a method to curb bisexuality leading to homosexuality. The cure is allowing groups and societies to regulate themselves and not shouting down traditionalists as 'homophobes. This is whathappened back-in-the-day and bisexuals usually chose heterosexuality without any problems, depression was lower each decade you go back during the last century.

why would I make people do anything?

You said that those who don't agree with homosexuals choices shoul be made to change, How?

all im telling you is despite all the hate fueled nonsense you have spouted people have to accept that homosexuality is real, bisexuality is real

Show me an example if hate? Bisexual is real but it's can be fueled by PC do gooders needlessly.

I do find your comment fence sitter intriguing as a person who does not want to choose one or the other

why do they have to? what are you going to do to make people choose?

They should choose heterosexuality because it's better for society and better for their mentall well being remember .
A Free society would make them choose by subliminally showing a preference for tradition. It's as benign as that, you wouldn't even need nudge -theory. or heaven forbid someone like you 'making them' Just like you tried to makeme accept your argument by calling me names and calling me stupid.

and youve gone right back in a full circle despite all the evidence stacked against you you plow through regardless

how do you support living in a free society that forces you down certain routes whats free about that?

you want to force people into heterosexuality whether they are gay or bisexual

its disgusting

there is no evidence that gay people suffer more mentally because they are gay, you keep saying it doesnt make it, ive answered all these question deny it all you want its all there

you starting to look stupid

bored now

like ive said before I feel no need to repeat myself

Somebody that doesn't know the difference between your* and you're* telling me i'm out of my depth.

I have never denied the existence of bisexuality. My argument was and still is this , How a bisexual arrives at a homosexual choice isn't always pre determined by genetics, Instead social trends , personal choice & experiences through life play a part , Therefore they 'can help it' Ergo, Society, along with the individual should not relinquish responsibility, Klien Fritz agrees that sexuality fluctuates remember .
You keep calling me names and denying me answers to my questions jonny, it all started when you realised i had won the argument. I still haven't heard how you would 'make people' accept homosexuality along with pro homosexual campaigns. 'make them' is your words not mine.

No I havent lost anything I got bored with you when you denied posts I had written existed

Do you always start calling people names when bored?

youre relying on the fact that environmental factors are the major instigators in sexual preference and ergo if you mold the environment to suit societies norms you can drastically change peoples sexual orientation

nothing is further from the truth

I never said it's the major cause, but it is a large cause which we both now agree?

if you believed that every infantry soldier would be a raging homosexual based on the fact that he lives in a male dominated environment

The army is massively heterosexual.

it would mean you have finally found the cure for homosexuality or the cure for heterosexuality depending on which side of the scale you are on

Not a cure but a method to curb bisexuality leading to homosexuality. The cure is allowing groups and societies to regulate themselves and not shouting down traditionalists as 'homophobes. This is whathappened back-in-the-day and bisexuals usually chose heterosexuality without any problems, depression was lower each decade you go back during the last century.

why would I make people do anything?

You said that those who don't agree with homosexuals choices shoul be made to change, How?

all im telling you is despite all the hate fueled nonsense you have spouted people have to accept that homosexuality is real, bisexuality is real

Show me an example if hate? Bisexual is real but it's can be fueled by PC do gooders needlessly.

I do find your comment fence sitter intriguing as a person who does not want to choose one or the other

why do they have to? what are you going to do to make people choose?

They should choose heterosexuality because it's better for society and better for their mentall well being remember .
A Free society would make them choose by subliminally showing a preference for tradition. It's as benign as that, you wouldn't even need nudge -theory. or heaven forbid someone like you 'making them' Just like you tried to makeme accept your argument by calling me names and calling me stupid.

and youve gone right back in a full circle despite all the evidence stacked against you you plow through regardless

What evidence? genuinely where is your evidence?

how do you support living in a free society that forces you down certain routes whats free about that?

you want to force people into heterosexuality whether they are gay or bisexual

Free societies regulate themselves by discouraging certain behaviours, fluidly allowing social groups to regulate morals is the epitomy of freedom from the state and happens all the time across a myriad of moral & ethical issues from speeding in your car to dropping litter. Even nudge theory is quite benign and not infringing on freedom. you still haven't said how you would make people accept homosexuality. your words not mine jonny.

there is no evidence that gay people suffer more mentally because they are gay, you keep saying it doesnt make it, ive answered all these question deny it all you want its all there

rubbish, I'm saying there is a correlation between homosexuals and mental illness and while we don't know the cause, why promote homosexuality?

you starting to look stupid

more name calling

bored now

like ive said before I feel no need to repeat myself

A victory for hetero common sense

Jesus knock this thread on the head ffs.

Jesus knock this thread on the head ffs.

Moderating this site is probably your dream job Roathy