VT

Loves it enough to take its soul and identity away..

Soul and identity?

He's brought Malky in, presided over coming close to winning the League Cup over Liverpool at Wembley, and bank-rolled us to 2nd in the table, setting club records on the way

I always believe that it is the FANS that give the club 'soul' and 'identity' and not any individual owner (no matter how big the ego)

We are STILL Cardiff City Football Club even if we do (temporarily I hope) play in red and the quicker SOME wake up to that FACT the quicker we can unite behind this outstanding team and get the 'FULL HOUSE' signs up as we sing our way to the Premiership!

Personally, I thought he (VT) showed pride and passion after the Middlesbrough game and it brought a smile to my face knowing that (for whatever reason) he WANTS our club to do well

agree - too many dicks on here who dont understand football at all

He loves the toy he has created yes.

He doesn't love Cardiff City Football Club, its history and what it stands for at all.

He loves what he has created/creating no doubt.

Cardiff City are just like that build your own bear thing to him.

Couldn't disagree more

Reasons?

Funded the Keanor Statue.
Put up the pictures around the stadium of iconic figures.
Kept the Bluebird
"I'll be there" slogan
Man with Cardiff background introduced to the board.
Cardiff City 1 Malaysia
Executive suites named after ex-players or managers

Let me switch this then.... other than what you consider to be the problem which is actually just the badge and colour (which he has kept btw) how has he shown he doesn't love our history or what we stand for?????

What did Sam, Kumar, Wright do that even came close to what Tan has come to re-inforce who we are and where we come from? The team's march out tune during Sam's time here was just an homage and ego stroke to himself!

if we're going to go down the lines you want to go down then you must also need to hold Ridsdale in high esteem for bringing the old badge back.

He didn`t personally fund the Keenor (note the correct spelling) statue at all. It was mainly funded by a large number of individual fans of the club with help from Welsh Government and Cardiff Council donations.

The Bluebird has been kept (in its minimal new size) DESPITE VT wanting all reference to it removed , due to the arguments put forward by club officials (some of whom have since been sacked )that it should be retained in some small way at least. It was then registered as part of the badge that cannot now be changed (even by VT) under League rules for the remainder of this season. Watch out for VT getting his own way for next season though.

The pictures around the stadium were hardly his idea.

You honestly believe "I`ll be there" is his slogan? Seriously?

"Man with Cardiff background" will very seldom actually visit the city as he will continue to do his legal work from his longstanding base in Perth , Australia.

Its 1Malaysia CC . not Cardiff 1 Malaysia (the order is quite important and deliberate). The purpose of the scheme is to benefit football and VT`s profile in Malaysia , not primarily for our club`s benefit.

And how has VT kept the co;our blue as you suggest? Its only in a minimal way to be used in those relatively few away games where we can`t wear red because of a kit clash with a home team playing in red.

Sorry for the spelling:

1) I thought I had read somewhere that VT contributed towards the funding of the Keenor statue?

2) Why is the order of the 1Malasia CC important and deliberate?

3) I tend to hold the view we are Blue and Red or Red and Blue. we are neither one colour or the other if you look at all the wider marketing and branding, unless of course this changes next year.

1) The local sports press (whose output is now largely controlled by VT if they wish to retain access to the club) may have said so , but he has put no personal money into the fund. They also continue to refer to him as the owner of the club when he only is the biggest shareholder with 39% of the shares (so not even a majority). Unless and until he converts his debt to equity as promised , he will remain the club`s biggest creditor (and biggest cost in terms of interest costs) but not its owner.

2) The order is deliberate as the scheme is set up to raise VT`s profile as a benefactor of things Malaysian rather than to benefit Cardiff City Football Club. Nothing wrong with that as such (and indeed he appears to be very generous with his charitable donations in Malaysia) but it would be wrong to suggest it is for the club`s benefit.

3) We are red , because VT says so. That is according to the direct words of a former CEO and a former FD of the club (both since sacked as executive directors for not following the party line) , and also the current (acting) CEO. The blue is only being retained under sufference and to a very limited extent despite the best efforts of others in the club trying to pursuade VT otherwise

a) The availabilty of blue shirts for sale in the club superstore was delayed for many weeks after the red was launched and heavily marketed , and "on the quiet" without any marketing itself. This helped the sale of red shirts as there was no alternative available if fans wanted a new shirt for the new season.

b) Blue shirts will seldom be seen on the players as the blue shirt will only be allowed to be used when red cannot due to a colour clash with the team we are playing away to. It is not our away shirt to be used in all away games except where the home team plays in blue. How many teams visiting the CCS have turned out in their home colours so far or will do for the rest of the season?

For the avoidance of doubt , I am not totally against VT as his initial investment in the club of £6m of shares and the cash he has put in as interest bearing loans since have been essential in keeping the club going financially and putting together a talented squad of players. His arrival was also the main factor in getting Ridsdale out which pleased me immensely.
But he could have dealt with the "rebranding" (it isn`t really , its just a preference as all his CEOs have confirmed) so easily in a way that fans could have got on board with and prevented all the splits between different fans` factions.And I also believe that a couple of his promised/proposed spending plans are unnecessary and "vanity spends" rather than of direct benefit to the club at present

a) the new training ground - we have a good facility at present which could be expanded and rented for less than the 7% interest on the £10m to be spent on building our own, plus the cost of staffing and running it. The argument that we could rent out the facility seems a red herring (pun intended) as who is going to rent it from us?

b) the stadium expansion at £12m. We don`t need it yet as we can`t fill the stadium as it is. Why not follow the example of others who have been promoted and expand after staying up?

c) spending a lot of money on perfectly good seating by changing it from blue to red (watch this space!). I would rather the cash go on further squad strengthening to increase the chances of a promotion

1) The local sports press (whose output is now largely controlled by VT if they wish to retain access to the club) may have said so , but he has put no personal money into the fund. They also continue to refer to him as the owner of the club when he only is the biggest shareholder with 39% of the shares (so not even a majority). Unless and until he converts his debt to equity as promised , he will remain the club`s biggest creditor (and biggest cost in terms of interest costs) but not its owner.

2) The order is deliberate as the scheme is set up to raise VT`s profile as a benefactor of things Malaysian rather than to benefit Cardiff City Football Club. Nothing wrong with that as such (and indeed he appears to be very generous with his charitable donations in Malaysia) but it would be wrong to suggest it is for the club`s benefit.

3) We are red , because VT says so. That is according to the direct words of a former CEO and a former FD of the club (both since sacked as executive directors for not following the party line) , and also the current (acting) CEO. The blue is only being retained under sufference and to a very limited extent despite the best efforts of others in the club trying to pursuade VT otherwise

a) The availabilty of blue shirts for sale in the club superstore was delayed for many weeks after the red was launched and heavily marketed , and "on the quiet" without any marketing itself. This helped the sale of red shirts as there was no alternative available if fans wanted a new shirt for the new season.

b) Blue shirts will seldom be seen on the players as the blue shirt will only be allowed to be used when red cannot due to a colour clash with the team we are playing away to. It is not our away shirt to be used in all away games except where the home team plays in blue. How many teams visiting the CCS have turned out in their home colours so far or will do for the rest of the season?

For the avoidance of doubt , I am not totally against VT as his initial investment in the club of £6m of shares and the cash he has put in as interest bearing loans since have been essential in keeping the club going financially and putting together a talented squad of players. His arrival was also the main factor in getting Ridsdale out which pleased me immensely.
But he could have dealt with the "rebranding" (it isn`t really , its just a preference as all his CEOs have confirmed) so easily in a way that fans could have got on board with and prevented all the splits between different fans` factions.And I also believe that a couple of his promised/proposed spending plans are unnecessary and "vanity spends" rather than of direct benefit to the club at present

a) the new training ground - we have a good facility at present which could be expanded and rented for less than the 7% interest on the £10m to be spent on building our own, plus the cost of staffing and running it. The argument that we could rent out the facility seems a red herring (pun intended) as who is going to rent it from us?

b) the stadium expansion at £12m. We don`t need it yet as we can`t fill the stadium as it is. Why not follow the example of others who have been promoted and expand after staying up?

c) spending a lot of money on perfectly good seating by changing it from blue to red (watch this space!). I would rather the cash go on further squad strengthening to increase the chances of a promotion

Has Keith's account been hacked by Annis or Carl????

1) The local sports press (whose output is now largely controlled by VT if they wish to retain access to the club) may have said so , but he has put no personal money into the fund. They also continue to refer to him as the owner of the club when he only is the biggest shareholder with 39% of the shares (so not even a majority). Unless and until he converts his debt to equity as promised , he will remain the club`s biggest creditor (and biggest cost in terms of interest costs) but not its owner.

2) The order is deliberate as the scheme is set up to raise VT`s profile as a benefactor of things Malaysian rather than to benefit Cardiff City Football Club. Nothing wrong with that as such (and indeed he appears to be very generous with his charitable donations in Malaysia) but it would be wrong to suggest it is for the club`s benefit.

3) We are red , because VT says so. That is according to the direct words of a former CEO and a former FD of the club (both since sacked as executive directors for not following the party line) , and also the current (acting) CEO. The blue is only being retained under sufference and to a very limited extent despite the best efforts of others in the club trying to pursuade VT otherwise

a) The availabilty of blue shirts for sale in the club superstore was delayed for many weeks after the red was launched and heavily marketed , and "on the quiet" without any marketing itself. This helped the sale of red shirts as there was no alternative available if fans wanted a new shirt for the new season.

b) Blue shirts will seldom be seen on the players as the blue shirt will only be allowed to be used when red cannot due to a colour clash with the team we are playing away to. It is not our away shirt to be used in all away games except where the home team plays in blue. How many teams visiting the CCS have turned out in their home colours so far or will do for the rest of the season?

For the avoidance of doubt , I am not totally against VT as his initial investment in the club of £6m of shares and the cash he has put in as interest bearing loans since have been essential in keeping the club going financially and putting together a talented squad of players. His arrival was also the main factor in getting Ridsdale out which pleased me immensely.
But he could have dealt with the "rebranding" (it isn`t really , its just a preference as all his CEOs have confirmed) so easily in a way that fans could have got on board with and prevented all the splits between different fans` factions.And I also believe that a couple of his promised/proposed spending plans are unnecessary and "vanity spends" rather than of direct benefit to the club at present

a) the new training ground - we have a good facility at present which could be expanded and rented for less than the 7% interest on the £10m to be spent on building our own, plus the cost of staffing and running it. The argument that we could rent out the facility seems a red herring (pun intended) as who is going to rent it from us?

b) the stadium expansion at £12m. We don`t need it yet as we can`t fill the stadium as it is. Why not follow the example of others who have been promoted and expand after staying up?

c) spending a lot of money on perfectly good seating by changing it from blue to red (watch this space!). I would rather the cash go on further squad strengthening to increase the chances of a promotion

Has Keith's account been hacked by Annis or Carl????

Very funny Natman, if your beaten in a debate take it.

Hope he dies.

1) The local sports press (whose output is now largely controlled by VT if they wish to retain access to the club) may have said so , but he has put no personal money into the fund. They also continue to refer to him as the owner of the club when he only is the biggest shareholder with 39% of the shares (so not even a majority). Unless and until he converts his debt to equity as promised , he will remain the club`s biggest creditor (and biggest cost in terms of interest costs) but not its owner.

2) The order is deliberate as the scheme is set up to raise VT`s profile as a benefactor of things Malaysian rather than to benefit Cardiff City Football Club. Nothing wrong with that as such (and indeed he appears to be very generous with his charitable donations in Malaysia) but it would be wrong to suggest it is for the club`s benefit.

3) We are red , because VT says so. That is according to the direct words of a former CEO and a former FD of the club (both since sacked as executive directors for not following the party line) , and also the current (acting) CEO. The blue is only being retained under sufference and to a very limited extent despite the best efforts of others in the club trying to pursuade VT otherwise

a) The availabilty of blue shirts for sale in the club superstore was delayed for many weeks after the red was launched and heavily marketed , and "on the quiet" without any marketing itself. This helped the sale of red shirts as there was no alternative available if fans wanted a new shirt for the new season.

b) Blue shirts will seldom be seen on the players as the blue shirt will only be allowed to be used when red cannot due to a colour clash with the team we are playing away to. It is not our away shirt to be used in all away games except where the home team plays in blue. How many teams visiting the CCS have turned out in their home colours so far or will do for the rest of the season?

For the avoidance of doubt , I am not totally against VT as his initial investment in the club of £6m of shares and the cash he has put in as interest bearing loans since have been essential in keeping the club going financially and putting together a talented squad of players. His arrival was also the main factor in getting Ridsdale out which pleased me immensely.
But he could have dealt with the "rebranding" (it isn`t really , its just a preference as all his CEOs have confirmed) so easily in a way that fans could have got on board with and prevented all the splits between different fans` factions.And I also believe that a couple of his promised/proposed spending plans are unnecessary and "vanity spends" rather than of direct benefit to the club at present

a) the new training ground - we have a good facility at present which could be expanded and rented for less than the 7% interest on the £10m to be spent on building our own, plus the cost of staffing and running it. The argument that we could rent out the facility seems a red herring (pun intended) as who is going to rent it from us?

b) the stadium expansion at £12m. We don`t need it yet as we can`t fill the stadium as it is. Why not follow the example of others who have been promoted and expand after staying up?

c) spending a lot of money on perfectly good seating by changing it from blue to red (watch this space!). I would rather the cash go on further squad strengthening to increase the chances of a promotion

Has Keith's account been hacked by Annis or Carl????

Very funny Nantman, if your beaten in a debate take it.

that was very quick Annis... hmmmmmm.

I don't mean anything in regards to being beaten in an argument, that isn't what i was getting at. My reason behind saying that is that I don't think I've ever heard Keith so vocal, particularly on things non-financial. And after watching his posts over the years which are always well reasoned and insightful it does give me a little concern, got to be honest!

Hope he dies.

who?

Natman wrote
that was very quick Annis... hmmmmmm.

I don't mean anything in regards to being beaten in an argument, that isn't what i was getting at. My reason behind saying that is that I don't think I've ever heard Keith so vocal, particularly on things non-financial. And after watching his posts over the years which are always well reasoned and insightful it does give me a little concern, got to be honest!





Foreverblue wrote

Look I cant stand Tan and I will never ever forgive what he has done to our club and our identity.
Keith, I think feels as strong and believe it or not there are hundreds more out there who feel the same, as I know you dont care and even come on here saying how much you love the Red, well thats up to you, but to me, to go that far, means you never ever had any real love for our club, just glory at any price. Hmmmmmm

Natman wrote
that was very quick Annis... hmmmmmm.

I don't mean anything in regards to being beaten in an argument, that isn't what i was getting at. My reason behind saying that is that I don't think I've ever heard Keith so vocal, particularly on things non-financial. And after watching his posts over the years which are always well reasoned and insightful it does give me a little concern, got to be honest!





Foreverblue wrote

Look I cant stand Tan and I will never ever forgive what he has done to our club and our identity.
Keith, I think feels as strong and believe it or not there are hundreds more out there who feel the same, as I know you dont care and even come on here saying how much you love the Red, well thats up to you, but to me, to go that far, means you never ever had any real love for our club, just glory at any price. Hmmmmmm

I understand where you're coming from and how you feel, i do. But in my regards that's just making one judgement too far and jumping to conclusions. love is a bit far, I love my wife, don't know if I could use a similar word for a football club; doesn't feel right. But I've always followed and been passionate about the City and will have long memories of going down as a child with my old man who died 12 years ago today. have been supporting them now for well over 20 years, have even worked there.

Let's strike a bit of balance and for exaggeration what if I said you never really loved the club because at one point you fought and bled with city fans fighting the opposition and then you decided to stop? so the passion went. Of course, that's nonsense.

Glory at any price too? well no, not really. I still want a club to support for years to come.

I'm just really not as hung up on the colour of our shirt and the badge as many others are. Its just doesn't really bother me that much. I can't force myself to get worked up about it when I'm not. The concern is more about some of the other things Keith was saying, makes me wonder what its really all about.

1) The local sports press (whose output is now largely controlled by VT if they wish to retain access to the club) may have said so , but he has put no personal money into the fund. They also continue to refer to him as the owner of the club when he only is the biggest shareholder with 39% of the shares (so not even a majority). Unless and until he converts his debt to equity as promised , he will remain the club`s biggest creditor (and biggest cost in terms of interest costs) but not its owner.

2) The order is deliberate as the scheme is set up to raise VT`s profile as a benefactor of things Malaysian rather than to benefit Cardiff City Football Club. Nothing wrong with that as such (and indeed he appears to be very generous with his charitable donations in Malaysia) but it would be wrong to suggest it is for the club`s benefit.

3) We are red , because VT says so. That is according to the direct words of a former CEO and a former FD of the club (both since sacked as executive directors for not following the party line) , and also the current (acting) CEO. The blue is only being retained under sufference and to a very limited extent despite the best efforts of others in the club trying to pursuade VT otherwise

a) The availabilty of blue shirts for sale in the club superstore was delayed for many weeks after the red was launched and heavily marketed , and "on the quiet" without any marketing itself. This helped the sale of red shirts as there was no alternative available if fans wanted a new shirt for the new season.

b) Blue shirts will seldom be seen on the players as the blue shirt will only be allowed to be used when red cannot due to a colour clash with the team we are playing away to. It is not our away shirt to be used in all away games except where the home team plays in blue. How many teams visiting the CCS have turned out in their home colours so far or will do for the rest of the season?

For the avoidance of doubt , I am not totally against VT as his initial investment in the club of £6m of shares and the cash he has put in as interest bearing loans since have been essential in keeping the club going financially and putting together a talented squad of players. His arrival was also the main factor in getting Ridsdale out which pleased me immensely.
But he could have dealt with the "rebranding" (it isn`t really , its just a preference as all his CEOs have confirmed) so easily in a way that fans could have got on board with and prevented all the splits between different fans` factions.And I also believe that a couple of his promised/proposed spending plans are unnecessary and "vanity spends" rather than of direct benefit to the club at present

a) the new training ground - we have a good facility at present which could be expanded and rented for less than the 7% interest on the £10m to be spent on building our own, plus the cost of staffing and running it. The argument that we could rent out the facility seems a red herring (pun intended) as who is going to rent it from us?

b) the stadium expansion at £12m. We don`t need it yet as we can`t fill the stadium as it is. Why not follow the example of others who have been promoted and expand after staying up?

c) spending a lot of money on perfectly good seating by changing it from blue to red (watch this space!). I would rather the cash go on further squad strengthening to increase the chances of a promotion

Has Keith's account been hacked by Annis or Carl????

Very funny Nantman, if your beaten in a debate take it.

that was very quick Annis... hmmmmmm.

I don't mean anything in regards to being beaten in an argument, that isn't what i was getting at. My reason behind saying that is that I don't think I've ever heard Keith so vocal, particularly on things non-financial. And after watching his posts over the years which are always well reasoned and insightful it does give me a little concern, got to be honest!

Natman

There is no winner or loser in this particular argument , its just a matter of two differing opinions. Where I think everyone has lost out throughout the rebranding is the fact that it has divided the fanbase so much. It has even led to the disgusting position of threats being made against fellow fans.

If you knew me well , you would know that I have always been vocal about the club I have now supported for over 50 years since I was 5 and my late father took me to my first game at the start of 1962/3 season. The financial and insolvency bits only come about because that`s what I happen to do for a living . But I am a fan first , and the (boring) accountant bit a long way second.

This season is the first in all that time that the way in which the fanbase has been treated with such contempt caused me to consider walking away from it all , but my love for the club (just) pursuaded me otherwise - I maybe I don`t have the strength of character or courage of convictions that others have displayed in doing so. The manipulation and deliberate omission of fans` opinion polls has perhaps upset me as much as anything as , to me , it displays a bullying attitude I find abhorrent.

I have seen club officials put in a position where they have been forced to make decisions and face up to fans even when they don`t have any belief in the message they have had to convey. I have then seen some of them sacked for holding such beliefs and others still in fear of losing their employment if they step out of line (up to and including the current acting CEO and current Chairman).

As for agreeing with Annis , that`s a pretty rare event. I probably disagree with him far more than I agree with him , and have often done so and said so. And its probably the same with Carl. doesn`t mean to say that I shouldn`t be equally as vocal when I happen to agree with one or both of them.

Keith

1) The local sports press (whose output is now largely controlled by VT if they wish to retain access to the club) may have said so , but he has put no personal money into the fund. They also continue to refer to him as the owner of the club when he only is the biggest shareholder with 39% of the shares (so not even a majority). Unless and until he converts his debt to equity as promised , he will remain the club`s biggest creditor (and biggest cost in terms of interest costs) but not its owner.

2) The order is deliberate as the scheme is set up to raise VT`s profile as a benefactor of things Malaysian rather than to benefit Cardiff City Football Club. Nothing wrong with that as such (and indeed he appears to be very generous with his charitable donations in Malaysia) but it would be wrong to suggest it is for the club`s benefit.

3) We are red , because VT says so. That is according to the direct words of a former CEO and a former FD of the club (both since sacked as executive directors for not following the party line) , and also the current (acting) CEO. The blue is only being retained under sufference and to a very limited extent despite the best efforts of others in the club trying to pursuade VT otherwise

a) The availabilty of blue shirts for sale in the club superstore was delayed for many weeks after the red was launched and heavily marketed , and "on the quiet" without any marketing itself. This helped the sale of red shirts as there was no alternative available if fans wanted a new shirt for the new season.

b) Blue shirts will seldom be seen on the players as the blue shirt will only be allowed to be used when red cannot due to a colour clash with the team we are playing away to. It is not our away shirt to be used in all away games except where the home team plays in blue. How many teams visiting the CCS have turned out in their home colours so far or will do for the rest of the season?

For the avoidance of doubt , I am not totally against VT as his initial investment in the club of £6m of shares and the cash he has put in as interest bearing loans since have been essential in keeping the club going financially and putting together a talented squad of players. His arrival was also the main factor in getting Ridsdale out which pleased me immensely.
But he could have dealt with the "rebranding" (it isn`t really , its just a preference as all his CEOs have confirmed) so easily in a way that fans could have got on board with and prevented all the splits between different fans` factions.And I also believe that a couple of his promised/proposed spending plans are unnecessary and "vanity spends" rather than of direct benefit to the club at present

a) the new training ground - we have a good facility at present which could be expanded and rented for less than the 7% interest on the £10m to be spent on building our own, plus the cost of staffing and running it. The argument that we could rent out the facility seems a red herring (pun intended) as who is going to rent it from us?

b) the stadium expansion at £12m. We don`t need it yet as we can`t fill the stadium as it is. Why not follow the example of others who have been promoted and expand after staying up?

c) spending a lot of money on perfectly good seating by changing it from blue to red (watch this space!). I would rather the cash go on further squad strengthening to increase the chances of a promotion

Has Keith's account been hacked by Annis or Carl????

Very funny Nantman, if your beaten in a debate take it.

that was very quick Annis... hmmmmmm.

I don't mean anything in regards to being beaten in an argument, that isn't what i was getting at. My reason behind saying that is that I don't think I've ever heard Keith so vocal, particularly on things non-financial. And after watching his posts over the years which are always well reasoned and insightful it does give me a little concern, got to be honest!

Natman

There is no winner or loser in this particular argument , its just a matter of two differing opinions. Where I think everyone has lost out throughout the rebranding is the fact that it has divided the fanbase so much. It has even led to the disgusting position of threats being made against fellow fans.

If you knew me well , you would know that I have always been vocal about the club I have now supported for over 50 years since I was 5 and my late father took me to my first game at the start of 1962/3 season. The financial and insolvency bits only come about because that`s what I happen to do for a living . But I am a fan first , and the (boring) accountant bit a long way second.

This season is the first in all that time that the way in which the fanbase has been treated with such contempt caused me to consider walking away from it all , but my love for the club (just) pursuaded me otherwise - I maybe I don`t have the strength of character or courage of convictions that others have displayed in doing so. The manipulation and deliberate omission of fans` opinion polls has perhaps upset me as much as anything as , to me , it displays a bullying attitude I find abhorrent.

I have seen club officials put in a position where they have been forced to make decisions and face up to fans even when they don`t have any belief in the message they have had to convey. I have then seen some of them sacked for holding such beliefs and others still in fear of losing their employment if they step out of line (up to and including the current acting CEO and current Chairman).

As for agreeing with Annis , that`s a pretty rare event. I probably disagree with him far more than I agree with him , and have often done so and said so. And its probably the same with Carl. doesn`t mean to say that I shouldn`t be equally as vocal when I happen to agree with one or both of them.

Keith

Fair points Keith!

I'm so used to hearing Annis and Carl beating the drum that you just see as many other i.e. same old same old and what's sam been telling them to do now. That's why i'm a little startled by your post as you aren't one i associate with that in the slightest. So, what you have been saying in your posts does give me some cause for concern on other fronts although as I've said the change in colour and badge doesn't particularly bother me that much

Amazes me that the person keeping our club going is getting so muc flack.

Club shirts are selling well, we are far better commercially than ever before and we're on the up. Malky has bern supported in the transfer market, fact.

I agree the debt to equity is the big one and i will be first to have a pop if he doesn't. So once Sam is out the picture we'll know.

spot on -the debt to equity is in my opinion the most important-

Loves it enough to take its soul and identity away..

Soul and identity?

He's brought Malky in, presided over coming close to winning the League Cup over Liverpool at Wembley, and bank-rolled us to 2nd in the table, setting club records on the way

I always believe that it is the FANS that give the club 'soul' and 'identity' and not any individual owner (no matter how big the ego)

We are STILL Cardiff City Football Club even if we do (temporarily I hope) play in red and the quicker SOME wake up to that FACT the quicker we can unite behind this outstanding team and get the 'FULL HOUSE' signs up as we sing our way to the Premiership!

Personally, I thought he (VT) showed pride and passion after the Middlesbrough game and it brought a smile to my face knowing that (for whatever reason) he WANTS our club to do well

Yes, he cares so much he's taken the clubs identity away for no REAL reason.

You can be a sell out and wear your red shirts and beer mat badge all you like, I certainly won't be.

If he REALLY cared about the club and the fans, he would know that the colour and crest etc are a PART OF the club and wouldn't just take them away with ANY consultation of the fans.

If he really cared about supporters, he would have approached fan groups and had discussions etc about it all - instead of it just being announced.

If he really cared for this club, he wouldn't be charging 7% interest on the LOAN he's currently given the club.

2 sides to every coin.

Yes and we could be playing in blue at home as well as away and so lose more games!!!

We will not be playing in blue away much either as it is NOT our away kit - blue will only be worn at away games when we cannot wear red because of a kit clash with the home team. How many of our remaining opponents play in red at home?

The away form is well and truly about to turn the corner then

this blokes tapped, he actually thinks our red kit is lucky and we cant be beaten in it have a word with yourself mate

Tan is a robber and for me every time I sit there and see that Red kit and badge I hate it and I hate Tan for doing it.I dont get how people can just jump ship and welcome it with open arms.

How do you just dump the symbols of are football that stood for are club for years it represented us all over the world.

The blue kit and the badge is Cardiff City end of and to bin it they way Tan did was so disrespectful and then to see are fans embrace it is devastating to me.

I love the club to my core and what it stands for .If someone changed the welsh flag we would all be pissed badly I dont see any difference what Tan has done .

Some might say its only a colour and badge get over it well it seems to me the love pride and passion can be measured by weather you except the re brand or not.

If you except the re-brand then sorry your pride and passion for the club is not there weather you like my comment or not the way I see its true.

Its disgusting what Tan has done I dont like it and I dont no weather I will be renewing my ticket next year its not getting better for me I hate the whole thing and feel totally robbed as a CARDIFF CITY fan and all for what gain ?

Perhaps we should go back to wearing our badge from our only big trophy win in 1927, and have a black cat on it as on that day they took a black cat to Wembley as the captain believed it was lucky, and I suppose it was as we won. The colour if your shirt, the badge none of it affects your history, that can't be changed. Much as I dislike this badge, it's not as bad as the one Hamman brought in.