Your favourite re-incarnation of Cunton tragic

What's my name doing on that list

For the record why do you say he abused soldiers? He said he didn't consider them his heroes didn't he?

Would it be abusive if I said that I didn't consider Duran Duran as my hero? Surely we are in a day and age where we all have a right to decide who our heroes are?

Cunton,
Placing respect for UK servicemen on the same moral plane as a pathetic pop group highlights what a nasty smartarsed little shit you are.

What's pathetic about them? Ever met them? No.

We all have a right to decide who our heroes are, if he didnt think the soldiers of an illegal war were his heroes then surely he has the right to express that... Otherwise you are promoting a fascist ideology... You know, like the ones Britain were fighting in world war 2?

Irony eh?

There you go again smartarse.
So in your analysis putting your life on the line has an equal value to poncing about on a stage in make up?
I think not.
Whatever your views on Iraq or any other war the forces simply do their duty.A concept which is clearly alien to you.

Nobody is questioning their bravery. But does being brave make you a hero if what you are doing is illegal?

Are lumberjacks your heroes too? I think it's the most dangerous profession and undoubtedly brave, they put their lives in the line every day to do their job... What about miners? Are they your heroes too?

Media driven nonsense.

I suspect lumberjacks are more your kind of thing but pray tell where in UK or international law the Iraq invasion was illegal.

Many people have jobs that have an element of risk.The point that passes you by is that servicemen (and women) happen to put their lives on the line for you, me and everyone else in this country.

Servicemen certainly don't put their lives on the line for me at all, you have been reading too many tabloids.

I never once asked any soldiers to invade Iraq or Afghanistan. Neither threatened me in any way shape or form. Where as I use wood everyday, a lumberjack or a fisherman puts his life on the line for me but a British soldier certainly doesn't.

As for your first paragraph, have that debate with the general secretary of the United Nations kofi Annan....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq

I suppose you think the invasion of Afghanistan was legal too?

So again... Undoubtedly brave but is it heroic to be brave if what you are doing is illegal. Also as we have now established they are not fighting for me, would that be fair for me or any other like minded person to not regard them as my heroes? Or do you promote a fascist ideology where everyone must have the same views and beliefs?

If so then it seems Germany did win the war after all.

What's pathetic about them? Ever met them? No.

We all have a right to decide who our heroes are, if he didnt think the soldiers of an illegal war were his heroes then surely he has the right to express that... Otherwise you are promoting a fascist ideology... You know, like the ones Britain were fighting in world war 2?

Irony eh?[/quote]

There you go again smartarse.
So in your analysis putting your life on the line has an equal value to poncing about on a stage in make up?
I think not.
Whatever your views on Iraq or any other war the forces simply do their duty.A concept which is clearly alien to you.[/quote]

Nobody is questioning their bravery. But does being brave make you a hero if what you are doing is illegal?

Are lumberjacks your heroes too? I think it's the most dangerous profession and undoubtedly brave, they put their lives in the line every day to do their job... What about miners? Are they your heroes too?

Media driven nonsense.[/quote]



I suspect lumberjacks are more your kind of thing but pray tell where in UK or international law the Iraq invasion was illegal.

Many people have jobs that have an element of risk.The point that passes you by is that servicemen (and women) happen to put their lives on the line for you, me and everyone else in this country.[/quote]

Servicemen certainly don't put their lives on the line for me at all, you have been reading too many tabloids.

I never once asked any soldiers to invade Iraq or Afghanistan. Neither threatened me in any way shape or form. Where as I use wood everyday, a lumberjack or a fisherman puts his life on the line for me but a British soldier certainly doesn't.

As for your first paragraph, have that debate with the general secretary of the United Nations kofi Annan....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq[/quote]

Lumberjacks and fishermen have the freedom because of our armed forces you ignoramus C***.
The freedom we enjoy....Ah forget it, you have not got a clue.
You are not worth it.
Please mods, ban him again!!

What's pathetic about them? Ever met them? No.

We all have a right to decide who our heroes are, if he didnt think the soldiers of an illegal war were his heroes then surely he has the right to express that... Otherwise you are promoting a fascist ideology... You know, like the ones Britain were fighting in world war 2?

Irony eh?

There you go again smartarse.
So in your analysis putting your life on the line has an equal value to poncing about on a stage in make up?
I think not.
Whatever your views on Iraq or any other war the forces simply do their duty.A concept which is clearly alien to you.[/quote]

Nobody is questioning their bravery. But does being brave make you a hero if what you are doing is illegal?

Are lumberjacks your heroes too? I think it's the most dangerous profession and undoubtedly brave, they put their lives in the line every day to do their job... What about miners? Are they your heroes too?

Media driven nonsense.[/quote]



I suspect lumberjacks are more your kind of thing but pray tell where in UK or international law the Iraq invasion was illegal.

Many people have jobs that have an element of risk.The point that passes you by is that servicemen (and women) happen to put their lives on the line for you, me and everyone else in this country.[/quote]

Servicemen certainly don't put their lives on the line for me at all, you have been reading too many tabloids.

I never once asked any soldiers to invade Iraq or Afghanistan. Neither threatened me in any way shape or form. Where as I use wood everyday, a lumberjack or a fisherman puts his life on the line for me but a British soldier certainly doesn't.

As for your first paragraph, have that debate with the general secretary of the United Nations kofi Annan....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq[/quote]

Lumberjacks and fishermen have the freedom because of our armed forces you ignoramus C***.
The freedom we enjoy....Ah forget it, you have not got a clue.
You are not worth it.
Please mods, ban him again!![/quote]

ffs its like the magic roundabout quotes, reteric, all been said before by someone else all in same tone/language on same subject! it will go round and round with no ending as words are manipulated to suite the agender of individuals!!

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Yes our armed forces in 1945 yes. Almost out of living memory, anyone who fought in it would be around 85-90 now and have my full thanks, we were clearly under threat and needing defending.

We are now going into 2013 and our modern wars have been illegal invasions which have claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. Not one of which were a direct threat to us, but political.

So do I, and others, not have the right to not class them as my heroes if what they are doing is against my beliefs, for a regime I disagree with, for a reason I disagree with and illegal?

Or again are you promoting a fascist ideology (like the ones held by the other side in world war 2) and want anyone punished for having a different political view?

Yes our armed forces in 1945 yes. Almost out of living memory, anyone who fought in it would be around 85-90 now and have my full thanks, we were clearly under threat and needing defending.

We are now going into 2013 and our modern wars have been illegal invasions which have claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. Not one of which were a direct threat to us, but political.

So do I, and others, not have the right to not class them as my heroes if what they are doing is against my beliefs, for a regime I disagree with, for a reason I disagree with and illegal?

Or again are you promoting a fascist ideology (like the ones held by the other side in world war 2) and want anyone punished for having a different political view?

Would you sit in a room with the families of the fallen, in Afghan and Iraq, and tell them that?
I some how doubt it.

You ain't got a clue.
(and I can tell you that as an ex soldier)

Yes our armed forces in 1945 yes. Almost out of living memory, anyone who fought in it would be around 85-90 now and have my full thanks, we were clearly under threat and needing defending.

We are now going into 2013 and our modern wars have been illegal invasions which have claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. Not one of which were a direct threat to us, but political.

So do I, and others, not have the right to not class them as my heroes if what they are doing is against my beliefs, for a regime I disagree with, for a reason I disagree with and illegal?

Or again are you promoting a fascist ideology (like the ones held by the other side in world war 2) and want anyone punished for having a different political view?

Would you sit in a room with the families of the fallen, in Afghan and Iraq, and tell them that?
I some how doubt it.

You ain't got a clue.
(and I can tell you that as an ex soldier)

sb why bother he will just go on & on, then minipulate what is said to suite himself! he gets off on it cant you tell?

Yes our armed forces in 1945 yes. Almost out of living memory, anyone who fought in it would be around 85-90 now and have my full thanks, we were clearly under threat and needing defending.

We are now going into 2013 and our modern wars have been illegal invasions which have claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. Not one of which were a direct threat to us, but political.

So do I, and others, not have the right to not class them as my heroes if what they are doing is against my beliefs, for a regime I disagree with, for a reason I disagree with and illegal?

Or again are you promoting a fascist ideology (like the ones held by the other side in world war 2) and want anyone punished for having a different political view?

Would you sit in a room with the families of the fallen, in Afghan and Iraq, and tell them that?
I some how doubt it.

You ain't got a clue.
(and I can tell you that as an ex soldier)

Without being asked my opinion? Absolutely not, why would I?

Although if they asked me if I thought their son was a hero I'd have to be honest and say, no. I'd say he was undoubtedly brave and unfortunate he decided to enter the army at such a time where so much illegal political wars are happening.

But as for being my hero, why would he be my hero? Try and explain to me.

There are some subjects in life that if you haven't got anything good to say then say nothing. Show some respect 'No Smoking' and grow up.

Yes our armed forces in 1945 yes. Almost out of living memory, anyone who fought in it would be around 85-90 now and have my full thanks, we were clearly under threat and needing defending.

We are now going into 2013 and our modern wars have been illegal invasions which have claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. Not one of which were a direct threat to us, but political.

So do I, and others, not have the right to not class them as my heroes if what they are doing is against my beliefs, for a regime I disagree with, for a reason I disagree with and illegal?

Or again are you promoting a fascist ideology (like the ones held by the other side in world war 2) and want anyone punished for having a different political view?

Would you sit in a room with the families of the fallen, in Afghan and Iraq, and tell them that?
I some how doubt it.

You ain't got a clue.
(and I can tell you that as an ex soldier)

Without being asked my opinion? Absolutely not, why would I?

Although if they asked me if I thought their son was a hero I'd have to be honest and say, no. I'd say he was undoubtedly brave and unfortunate he decided to enter the army at such a time where so much illegal political wars are happening.

But as for being my hero, why would he be my hero? Try and explain to me.

I have never once mentioned about them being your hero. I am on about them representing us as a nation and being most peoples hero.
Carrying on with what our ancestors did and gave....
Feck it, I will not even bother going there, you are not worth it in my eyes.
Go watch Celtic.

There are some subjects in life that if you haven't got anything good to say then say nothing. Show some respect 'No Smoking' and grow up.

They have my full respect.

I just don't regard them as my heroes. Why is this so hard for people to understand.

I disagree with what they are doing? Why would they be my heroes? But respect every one of them as much as the next man.

You do realise you are pushing a fascist ideology on everyone by making them all believe the same thing right? And you do understand this was the exact thing we were fighting against in world war 2? So how about you show some respect to those who fought for it and allow freedom of speech?

Just an idea.

There are some subjects in life that if you haven't got anything good to say then say nothing. Show some respect 'No Smoking' and grow up.

he wont as this subject is repeat of same topic months ago made by (RM) using same retoric ect ect !!

Yes our armed forces in 1945 yes. Almost out of living memory, anyone who fought in it would be around 85-90 now and have my full thanks, we were clearly under threat and needing defending.

We are now going into 2013 and our modern wars have been illegal invasions which have claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. Not one of which were a direct threat to us, but political.

So do I, and others, not have the right to not class them as my heroes if what they are doing is against my beliefs, for a regime I disagree with, for a reason I disagree with and illegal?

Or again are you promoting a fascist ideology (like the ones held by the other side in world war 2) and want anyone punished for having a different political view?

Would you sit in a room with the families of the fallen, in Afghan and Iraq, and tell them that?
I some how doubt it.

You ain't got a clue.
(and I can tell you that as an ex soldier)

Without being asked my opinion? Absolutely not, why would I?

Although if they asked me if I thought their son was a hero I'd have to be honest and say, no. I'd say he was undoubtedly brave and unfortunate he decided to enter the army at such a time where so much illegal political wars are happening.

But as for being my hero, why would he be my hero? Try and explain to me.

I have never once mentioned about them being your hero. I am on about them representing us as a nation and being most peoples hero.
Carrying on with what our ancestors did and gave....
Feck it, I will not even bother going there, you are not worth it in my eyes.
Go watch Celtic.

Yes they represent our nation, fully agree.

Yes they are most people's heroes (usually the tabloid readers), fully agree.

Carrying on what our ancestors did.... Fully disagree.

There are some subjects in life that if you haven't got anything good to say then say nothing. Show some respect 'No Smoking' and grow up.

You are clutching at straws mate.....sad man (if he had a pair) that he is.

There are some subjects in life that if you haven't got anything good to say then say nothing. Show some respect 'No Smoking' and grow up.

They have my full respect.

I just don't regard them as my heroes. Why is this so hard for people to understand.

I disagree with what they are doing? Why would they be my heroes? But respect every one of them as much as the next man.

You do realise you are pushing a fascist ideology on everyone by making them all believe the same thing right? And you do understand this was the exact thing we were fighting against in world war 2? So how about you show some respect to those who fought for it and allow freedom of speech?

Just an idea.

The point is why not just say nothing when it's such an emotive subject? What have you gained? Are you genuinely getting a kick out of this subject?

There are some subjects in life that if you haven't got anything good to say then say nothing. Show some respect 'No Smoking' and grow up.

You are clutching at straws mate.....sad man (if he had a pair) that he is.

I think I have more balls than most. I stand up for what I believe in and not afraid to speak my mind.

A notion that the veterans of world war 2 fought and gave their lives for. And for that I thank them. Maybe you guys should try it once in a while, if you guys had half the bravery they did, we wouldn't be playing in red.

Servicemen certainly don't put their lives on the line for me at all, you have been reading too many tabloids.

I never once asked any soldiers to invade Iraq or Afghanistan. Neither threatened me in any way shape or form. Where as I use wood everyday, a lumberjack or a fisherman puts his life on the line for me but a British soldier certainly doesn't.

As for your first paragraph, have that debate with the general secretary of the United Nations kofi Annan....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq

I suppose you think the invasion of Afghanistan was legal too?

So again... Undoubtedly brave but is it heroic to be brave if what you are doing is illegal. Also as we have now established they are not fighting for me, would that be fair for me or any other like minded person to not regard them as my heroes? Or do you promote a fascist ideology where everyone must have the same views and beliefs?

If so then it seems Germany did win the war after all.[/quote]

Student grant,
What Annan said in 2004 is an aside (by the way he is ex-secretary)and our military actions in Iraq or Afghanistan were not contrary to International Law whatever you may think or whatever tenuous grauniad bollocks you produce.
Our forces do their duty on our behalf which includes you whether you like it or not.(I am sure if they had a choice you are exactly the kind of shit that could be excluded).
And it's not a question of whether you regard them as heroes, it's prats like you equating their moral standing with a pop groups ffs and the total lack of respect you offer them.
Fascism is an interesting one. First propogated by Mussolini (socialist) and to a large extent aped by the Nazis(national socialist). The new fascists again come from the left and also the muslim world. Try studying the subject properly.

There are some subjects in life that if you haven't got anything good to say then say nothing. Show some respect 'No Smoking' and grow up.

You are clutching at straws mate.....sad man (if he had a pair) that he is.

Yeah i reckon you're spot on. I know he's a multiple alias wum but if its football related then game on. But why stoop so low just to get a rise? Pathetic.

There are some subjects in life that if you haven't got anything good to say then say nothing. Show some respect 'No Smoking' and grow up.

They have my full respect.

I just don't regard them as my heroes. Why is this so hard for people to understand.

I disagree with what they are doing? Why would they be my heroes? But respect every one of them as much as the next man.

You do realise you are pushing a fascist ideology on everyone by making them all believe the same thing right? And you do understand this was the exact thing we were fighting against in world war 2? So how about you show some respect to those who fought for it and allow freedom of speech?

Just an idea.

The point is why not just say nothing when it's such an emotive subject? What have you gained? Are you genuinely getting a kick out of this subject?

Because I believe in free speech. I don't think I'm showing any disrespect, in fact I have reiterated my respect for them. I just disagree with what they are doing so don't regard them as my heroes. I think that's a fair view and one that should be completely fine to share on a subject regarding the wars or soldiers being our heroes.

Surely if you only want positive posts, all agreeing on the same subject and any other opinion you want banned... That is fascist. You must understand that.

It is hardly an offensive opinion. I'm not telling people they shouldn't be your personal heroes, you have your own beliefs and can choose who you want to regard as your heroes, I'm not forcing anyone to agree with me. I'd just like the same courtesy and ability to chose who mine are.

The soldiers of an illegal war are brave but no don't regard them as my personal heroes as what they are doing I disagree with. Simple as that, and if that causes offence then you have issues.

There are some subjects in life that if you haven't got anything good to say then say nothing. Show some respect 'No Smoking' and grow up.

You are clutching at straws mate.....sad man (if he had a pair) that he is.

I think I have more balls than most. I stand up for what I believe in and not afraid to speak my mind.

A notion that the veterans of world war 2 fought and gave their lives for. And for that I thank them. Maybe you guys should try it once in a while, if you guys had half the bravery they did, we wouldn't be playing in red.

Desperately sad attempt to deflect this from yourself.

There are some subjects in life that if you haven't got anything good to say then say nothing. Show some respect 'No Smoking' and grow up.

You are clutching at straws mate.....sad man (if he had a pair) that he is.

I think I have more balls than most. I stand up for what I believe in and not afraid to speak my mind.

A notion that the veterans of world war 2 fought and gave their lives for. And for that I thank them. Maybe you guys should try it once in a while, if you guys had half the bravery they did, we wouldn't be playing in red.

You c**t.

There are some subjects in life that if you haven't got anything good to say then say nothing. Show some respect 'No Smoking' and grow up.

You are clutching at straws mate.....sad man (if he had a pair) that he is.

I think I have more balls than most. I stand up for what I believe in and not afraid to speak my mind.

A notion that the veterans of world war 2 fought and gave their lives for. And for that I thank them. Maybe you guys should try it once in a while, if you guys had half the bravery they did, we wouldn't be playing in red.

You c**t.

He's not that nice.

Student grant,
What Annan said in 2004 is an aside (by the way he is ex-secretary)and our military actions in Iraq or Afghanistan were not contrary to International Law whatever you may think or whatever tenuous grauniad bollocks you produce.
Our forces do their duty on our behalf which includes you whether you like it or not.(I am sure if they had a choice you are exactly the kind of shit that could be excluded).
And it's not a question of whether you regard them as heroes, it's prats like you equating their moral standing with a pop groups ffs and the total lack of respect you offer them.
Fascism is an interesting one. First propogated by Mussolini (socialist) and to a large extent aped by the Nazis(national socialist). The new fascists again come from the left and also the muslim world. Try studying the subject properly.

Maybe you should try and get a student grant as your understanding of a subject is appalling.

Annan was the secretary at the time, hence it's relevance. I didn't think there was a need to mention who was the leader of the UN now. Anyway the point remains, it was and still is to this day an illegal invasion.

The forces do not do their duty on behalf of me, no matter how much you try and sweep everybody under the flag of the Labour Party. The forces represent the government at the time. In no way were Iraq or Afghanistan a threat to me yet they were invaded and Britain has since hugely profited from the opium and the oil in these rich counties.

I have every right to disagree with a political stance or regime and if that regime requires an invasion then the soldiers of that illegal invasion are not going to be my heroes are they?

If you want my opinion mooted or want me punished for having such an opinion then you are showing more disrespect to the servicemen in world war 2 than anyone possibly can. You are promoting fascism which as I taught you (before your google fest) was exactly the ideology they wanted to keep Britain clear of.

If these soldiers enter a legal war in the defence of the great British public then they have my full support and would probably regard them as heroic. But you urging me to regard them as my heroes even though what I think their doing is wrong and certainly not to the benefit of the British public... No can do sorry. Sue me.

There are some subjects in life that if you haven't got anything good to say then say nothing. Show some respect 'No Smoking' and grow up.

You are clutching at straws mate.....sad man (if he had a pair) that he is.

I think I have more balls than most. I stand up for what I believe in and not afraid to speak my mind.

A notion that the veterans of world war 2 fought and gave their lives for. And for that I thank them. Maybe you guys should try it once in a while, if you guys had half the bravery they did, we wouldn't be playing in red.

Desperately sad attempt to deflect this from yourself.

In what way is that a deflection? I stand by every word. You either allow me to have my own political views or you are a fascist.

Exactly what is it that I've said that upsets you?

There are some subjects in life that if you haven't got anything good to say then say nothing. Show some respect 'No Smoking' and grow up.

You are clutching at straws mate.....sad man (if he had a pair) that he is.

I think I have more balls than most. I stand up for what I believe in and not afraid to speak my mind.

Yeah, pretend beliefs that you express under a variety of internet aliases.

What a plonker.

There are some subjects in life that if you haven't got anything good to say then say nothing. Show some respect 'No Smoking' and grow up.

You are clutching at straws mate.....sad man (if he had a pair) that he is.

I think I have more balls than most. I stand up for what I believe in and not afraid to speak my mind.

Yeah, pretend beliefs that you express under a variety of internet aliases.

What a plonker.

Pretend beliefs?

Go on, expand... That's an interesting one.

There are some subjects in life that if you haven't got anything good to say then say nothing. Show some respect 'No Smoking' and grow up.

You are clutching at straws mate.....sad man (if he had a pair) that he is.

I think I have more balls than most. I stand up for what I believe in and not afraid to speak my mind.

A notion that the veterans of world war 2 fought and gave their lives for. And for that I thank them. Maybe you guys should try it once in a while, if you guys had half the bravery they did, we wouldn't be playing in red.

Desperately sad attempt to deflect this from yourself.

In what way is that a deflection? I stand by every word. You either allow me to have my own political views or you are a fascist.

Exactly what is it that I've said that upsets you?

Don't flatter yourself you can't upset me. It's not about having freedom of speech, it's about showing respect and being grown up about sensitive subjects. How do you know there aren't people on here that have lost loved ones in the armed forces? I don't recall any army going into war recently that wasn't sent there by politicians.
What's with your fascist obsession? What's the chances of having differing political views in North Korea? Are they fascist?

I know you'll try and drag this out for hours as in keeping with your style but I've said all I want say. See ya.

Student grant,
What Annan said in 2004 is an aside (by the way he is ex-secretary)and our military actions in Iraq or Afghanistan were not contrary to International Law whatever you may think or whatever tenuous grauniad bollocks you produce.
Our forces do their duty on our behalf which includes you whether you like it or not.(I am sure if they had a choice you are exactly the kind of shit that could be excluded).
And it's not a question of whether you regard them as heroes, it's prats like you equating their moral standing with a pop groups ffs and the total lack of respect you offer them.
Fascism is an interesting one. First propogated by Mussolini (socialist) and to a large extent aped by the Nazis(national socialist). The new fascists again come from the left and also the muslim world. Try studying the subject properly.

Maybe you should try and get a student grant as your understanding of a subject is appalling.

Annan was the secretary at the time, hence it's relevance. I didn't think there was a need to mention who was the leader of the UN now. Anyway the point remains, it was and still is to this day an illegal invasion.

The forces do not do their duty on behalf of me, no matter how much you try and sweep everybody under the flag of the Labour Party. The forces represent the government at the time. In no way were Iraq or Afghanistan a threat to me yet they were invaded and Britain has since hugely profited from the opium and the oil in these rich counties.

I have every right to disagree with a political stance or regime and if that regime requires an invasion then the soldiers of that illegal invasion are not going to be my heroes are they?

If you want my opinion mooted or want me punished for having such an opinion then you are showing more disrespect to the servicemen in world war 2 than anyone possibly can. You are promoting fascism which as I taught you (before your google fest) was exactly the ideology they wanted to keep Britain clear of.

If these soldiers enter a legal war in the defence of the great British public then they have my full support and would probably regard them as heroic. But you urging me to regard them as my heroes even though what I think their doing is wrong and certainly not to the benefit of the British public... No can do sorry. Sue me.

You little shit.I know my subject.
Read my previous post again and don't twist what I posted.
But for the record.
1.Annan aside does not represent a legal opinion.
2.You placed UK forces in action around the globe on the same moral plane as a poxy pop group and by implication wish them ill.
Piss off.

There are some subjects in life that if you haven't got anything good to say then say nothing. Show some respect 'No Smoking' and grow up.

You are clutching at straws mate.....sad man (if he had a pair) that he is.

I think I have more balls than most. I stand up for what I believe in and not afraid to speak my mind.

A notion that the veterans of world war 2 fought and gave their lives for. And for that I thank them. Maybe you guys should try it once in a while, if you guys had half the bravery they did, we wouldn't be playing in red.

Desperately sad attempt to deflect this from yourself.

In what way is that a deflection? I stand by every word. You either allow me to have my own political views or you are a fascist.

Exactly what is it that I've said that upsets you?

Don't flatter yourself you can't upset me.

so let me have my view then as I am doing with you.

It's not about having freedom of speech, it's about showing respect and being grown up about sensitive subjects.

where have I not shown respect? Surely if you read what I'd said you would see how I have reiterated that I respect them as much as any other man. I just don't regard them as heroic as for me what they are doing is wrong, not their fault granted.

How do you know there aren't people on here that have lost loved ones in the armed forces?

i don't, just as Gwynn didn't know that theirs were any relatives of jack duck worth when he made a joke about his death that was met with hilarity yesterday. I have said nothing offensive anyway, I don't regard them as my hero but think they are brave and its a shame they are fighting in a time where so many corrupt illegal wars are happening.

What's wrong with that opinion exactly?

I don't recall any army going into war recently that wasn't sent there by politicians.

your point?
What's with your fascist obsession? What's the chances of having differing political views in North Korea? Are they fascist?

its not an obsession it's an observation, if you don't allow me to have my opinion which is completely logical and fair then you are a fascist,

I know you'll try and drag this out for hours as in keeping with your style but I've said all I want say. See ya.

im just replying, it's called a debate. Bye though

You need to revisit your definition of facism, Roath. It doesn't cover disagreeing with fake opinions on the interweb

Student grant,
What Annan said in 2004 is an aside (by the way he is ex-secretary)and our military actions in Iraq or Afghanistan were not contrary to International Law whatever you may think or whatever tenuous grauniad bollocks you produce.
Our forces do their duty on our behalf which includes you whether you like it or not.(I am sure if they had a choice you are exactly the kind of shit that could be excluded).
And it's not a question of whether you regard them as heroes, it's prats like you equating their moral standing with a pop groups ffs and the total lack of respect you offer them.
Fascism is an interesting one. First propogated by Mussolini (socialist) and to a large extent aped by the Nazis(national socialist). The new fascists again come from the left and also the muslim world. Try studying the subject properly.

Maybe you should try and get a student grant as your understanding of a subject is appalling.

Annan was the secretary at the time, hence it's relevance. I didn't think there was a need to mention who was the leader of the UN now. Anyway the point remains, it was and still is to this day an illegal invasion.

The forces do not do their duty on behalf of me, no matter how much you try and sweep everybody under the flag of the Labour Party. The forces represent the government at the time. In no way were Iraq or Afghanistan a threat to me yet they were invaded and Britain has since hugely profited from the opium and the oil in these rich counties.

I have every right to disagree with a political stance or regime and if that regime requires an invasion then the soldiers of that illegal invasion are not going to be my heroes are they?

If you want my opinion mooted or want me punished for having such an opinion then you are showing more disrespect to the servicemen in world war 2 than anyone possibly can. You are promoting fascism which as I taught you (before your google fest) was exactly the ideology they wanted to keep Britain clear of.

If these soldiers enter a legal war in the defence of the great British public then they have my full support and would probably regard them as heroic. But you urging me to regard them as my heroes even though what I think their doing is wrong and certainly not to the benefit of the British public... No can do sorry. Sue me.

You little shit.I know my subject.
Read my previous post again and don't twist what I posted.
But for the record.
1.Annan aside does not represent a legal opinion.
2.You placed UK forces in action around the globe on the same moral plane as a poxy pop group and by implication wish them ill.
Piss off.

what absolute rubbish.

I didn't place anyone on the same plane as a pop group. I said neither are my heroes, to show that saying someone isn't my hero isn't abusive.

How you take Thanet as me wishing ill on them is by the very nature of it a very tabloid thing to do which coincides with your faux anger at my perfectly reasonable stance.

It is not your subject, it is everyone's subject. A subject where there will be differences of opinion. If you are too fascist or stupid to understand that then that's your problem. I have allowed you your opinion therefore you should allow me mine.

And yes the invasion of afghanistan and Iraq were illegal. I'm sorry but that's a moot point.

I'll hold off on the insults.