I DON'T WANT THEM TO WIN COZ THEY RED

Gwyn, I hope they win but it's not really Cadiff City as we know it. Each to their own but I wonder what them down the roads traction would be if some foreign meglmaniac decided to strip their soul? Is your arse sore?

Strip their soul would be a step too far, but changing a shirt colour surely wouldn't be that bad, it's happened to quite a few clubs on quite a few occasions.

Changing the colour for what though? Let's be honest its been done due to one mans whim. History, tradition, integrity ripped out in a minute.

In fairness they've not ripped the soul out, we've let it die with the willingness to roll over for whatever reasons. Them from down the road would never stand for it.

This term "one man's whim" seems to be thrown about a lot since the "rebrand"!
There is no evidence to say this is why Tan changed us to red, the same as there is no evidence to say cos it's part of his masterplan to get us to the champions league.

The facts are none of us really know why he wanted us to play in red, not even Alan Whitely having read his interviews on the matter. Whether it will be something that will be beneficial to propel us into future glory, only time will tell. I personally have a belief that it is something to do with attracting investment from China but i have no more reason to believe this than you do for saying he just done it on a whim.

Gwyn, I hope they win but it's not really Cadiff City as we know it. Each to their own but I wonder what them down the roads traction would be if some foreign meglmaniac decided to strip their soul? Is your arse sore?

Strip their soul would be a step too far, but changing a shirt colour surely wouldn't be that bad, it's happened to quite a few clubs on quite a few occasions.

Changing the colour for what though? Let's be honest its been done due to one mans whim. History, tradition, integrity ripped out in a minute.

In fairness they've not ripped the soul out, we've let it die with the willingness to roll over for whatever reasons. Them from down the road would never stand for it.

This term "one man's whim" seems to be thrown about a lot since the "rebrand"!
There is no evidence to say this is why Tan changed us to red, the same as there is no evidence to say cos it's part of his masterplan to get us to the champions league.

The facts are none of us really know why he wanted us to play in red, not even Alan Whitely having read his interviews on the matter. Whether it will be something that will be beneficial to propel us into future glory, only time will tell. I personally have a belief that it is something to do with attracting investment from China but i have no more reason to believe this than you do for saying he just done it on a whim.

Try again, fat thumbs.

Humble Gringo, what you suggest is that he hasn't put forward a solid business reason for the changes or not disclosed them to those who are employed in the organisation.

Sounds like his whim to me?

Regards.

My worry is the more successful we are, the more likely it will be that our Bluebird will be completely erased and our blue will be removed altogether.

I have the opposite view. I believe the closer we are to the goal the more sway we have.

For instance, the red or dead argument is VT walks away and the club goes through, but he isn't walking away if we are top in March when he can taste the premier league. This is when we should subtly step up the bluebird (and shirts) campaign. The only problem is the old "leaders" who could organise basic stuff are staying away.

I have the opposite view. I believe the closer we are to the goal the more sway we have.

For instance, the red or dead argument is VT walks away and the club goes through, but he isn't walking away if we are top in March when he can taste the premier league. This is when we should subtly step up the bluebird (and shirts) campaign. The only problem is the old "leaders" who could organise basic stuff are staying away.

Totally agree, the more he invests and the more success we have, I genuinely believe the more power a united fans front will be, this message was spelt out strongly to the new CEO in Wednesday's meeting.

Try again, fat thumbs.

Humble Gringo, what you suggest is that he hasn't put forward a solid business reason for the changes or not disclosed them to those who are employed in the organisation.

Sounds like his whim to me?

Regards.

sounds like???? mmm simple fact is you dont know why!! just because it hasnt come out why doesnt mean its a one mans whim, guess he has advisers within his setup, better guess would be he as master plan for far east with additional backers if get premier now that is more plausible than a whim!!!!

I have the opposite view. I believe the closer we are to the goal the more sway we have.

For instance, the red or dead argument is VT walks away and the club goes through, but he isn't walking away if we are top in March when he can taste the premier league. This is when we should subtly step up the bluebird (and shirts) campaign. The only problem is the old "leaders" who could organise basic stuff are staying away.

Totally agree, the more he invests and the more success we have, I genuinely believe the more power a united fans front will be, this message was spelt out strongly to the new CEO in Wednesday's meeting.

I disagree and think the more successful we are, the more satisfied our fans will be because we are being successful, and the more our fans will allow VT to further vandalise our club. I think our fans will only show their disapproval when things start going pear shaped on the pitch. I think if we were in the relegation zone right now, VT would be getting a barrage of abuse from everyone. Of course, I'm as delighted as anyone when we win and play good football, but at the back of my mind I'm worrying what VT will do if we do get promotion, as I think some of our fans are soft and some of us would allow VT to remove the Bluebird, get rid of our colour blue etc if we get promotion.

Gwyn, I hope they win but it's not really Cadiff City as we know it. Each to their own but I wonder what them down the roads traction would be if some foreign meglmaniac decided to strip their soul? Is your arse sore?

Strip their soul would be a step too far, but changing a shirt colour surely wouldn't be that bad, it's happened to quite a few clubs on quite a few occasions.

Changing the colour for what though? Let's be honest its been done due to one mans whim. History, tradition, integrity ripped out in a minute.

In fairness they've not ripped the soul out, we've let it die with the willingness to roll over for whatever reasons. Them from down the road would never stand for it.

This term "one man's whim" seems to be thrown about a lot since the "rebrand"!
There is no evidence to say this is why Tan changed us to red, the same as there is no evidence to say cos it's part of his masterplan to get us to the champions league.

The facts are none of us really know why he wanted us to play in red, not even Alan Whitely having read his interviews on the matter. Whether it will be something that will be beneficial to propel us into future glory, only time will tell. I personally have a belief that it is something to do with attracting investment from China but i have no more reason to believe this than you do for saying he just done it on a whim.

The evidence that it is one man`s whim is that is what the club`s former CEO Alan Whiteley and the club`s former FD describe it as. The fact that they said so probably led to the word "former" appearing in their job descriptions. The club`s new acting CEO and FD Simon Lim has also not offered any alternative explanation.

As for a colour change being necessary to generate business or financial support in China (or anywhere else in the Far East for that matter) , there is specific evidence AGAINST this from Vincent Tan himself through his own businesses including the Berjaya Group and his personal company Berjaya Land. Both these companies continue to trade very successfully in that region without any need to change their corporate colours from blue and gold. Included in recent Berjaya Land projects is a major retail development just outside Beijing so the Chinese business community seem perfectly happy with the colour blue.

If VT had decided to slightly change the CCFC hame strip to blue with some gold in I could understand it to tie in with his own business colours and , in my view , that would have been far more palatable (and therefore caused less emotive divisions between our fans) to the CCFC fanbase.

Gwyn, I hope they win but it's not really Cadiff City as we know it. Each to their own but I wonder what them down the roads traction would be if some foreign meglmaniac decided to strip their soul? Is your arse sore?

Strip their soul would be a step too far, but changing a shirt colour surely wouldn't be that bad, it's happened to quite a few clubs on quite a few occasions.

Changing the colour for what though? Let's be honest its been done due to one mans whim. History, tradition, integrity ripped out in a minute.

In fairness they've not ripped the soul out, we've let it die with the willingness to roll over for whatever reasons. Them from down the road would never stand for it.

This term "one man's whim" seems to be thrown about a lot since the "rebrand"!
There is no evidence to say this is why Tan changed us to red, the same as there is no evidence to say cos it's part of his masterplan to get us to the champions league.

The facts are none of us really know why he wanted us to play in red, not even Alan Whitely having read his interviews on the matter. Whether it will be something that will be beneficial to propel us into future glory, only time will tell. I personally have a belief that it is something to do with attracting investment from China but i have no more reason to believe this than you do for saying he just done it on a whim.

The evidence that it is one man`s whim is that is what the club`s former CEO Alan Whiteley and the club`s former FD describe it as. The fact that they said so probably led to the word "former" appearing in their job descriptions. The club`s new acting CEO and FD Simon Lim has also not offered any alternative explanation.

As for a colour change being necessary to generate business or financial support in China (or anywhere else in the Far East for that matter) , there is specific evidence AGAINST this from Vincent Tan himself through his own businesses including the Berjaya Group and his personal company Berjaya Land. Both these companies continue to trade very successfully in that region without any need to change their corporate colours from blue and gold. Included in recent Berjaya Land projects is a major retail development just outside Beijing so the Chinese business community seem perfectly happy with the colour blue.

If VT had decided to slightly change the CCFC hame strip to blue with some gold in I could understand it to tie in with his own business colours and , in my view , that would have been far more palatable (and therefore caused less emotive divisions between our fans) to the CCFC fanbase.

Maybe Tan didn't want to divulge any sensitive information about his plans for the future of our club to Whitely and Doug Lee. The sounds absurd but both men seemed incredibly "in the dark " in every interview i have read since the "rebrand".
Maybe Tan has only kept council with people he really trust such as TG and Lim. Maybe he realised that every sensitive issue always leaks at this club!
I have no inside info about Tans future plans and i admit i havent got a clue but it seems totally feasible that Tan could be dealing with a Chinese company whose colours are prominently red. Say for example coca cola were expressing interest and he pre-empted their take-over and changed us to red.
I may well be way off the mark but i honestly think that only time will tell whether changing us to red has anything to do with future plans or whether it is genuinely to do with just the fact that Tan likes the colour red!!

Gwyn, I hope they win but it's not really Cadiff City as we know it. Each to their own but I wonder what them down the roads traction would be if some foreign meglmaniac decided to strip their soul? Is your arse sore?

Strip their soul would be a step too far, but changing a shirt colour surely wouldn't be that bad, it's happened to quite a few clubs on quite a few occasions.

Changing the colour for what though? Let's be honest its been done due to one mans whim. History, tradition, integrity ripped out in a minute.

In fairness they've not ripped the soul out, we've let it die with the willingness to roll over for whatever reasons. Them from down the road would never stand for it.

This term "one man's whim" seems to be thrown about a lot since the "rebrand"!
There is no evidence to say this is why Tan changed us to red, the same as there is no evidence to say cos it's part of his masterplan to get us to the champions league.

The facts are none of us really know why he wanted us to play in red, not even Alan Whitely having read his interviews on the matter. Whether it will be something that will be beneficial to propel us into future glory, only time will tell. I personally have a belief that it is something to do with attracting investment from China but i have no more reason to believe this than you do for saying he just done it on a whim.

The evidence that it is one man`s whim is that is what the club`s former CEO Alan Whiteley and the club`s former FD describe it as. The fact that they said so probably led to the word "former" appearing in their job descriptions. The club`s new acting CEO and FD Simon Lim has also not offered any alternative explanation.

As for a colour change being necessary to generate business or financial support in China (or anywhere else in the Far East for that matter) , there is specific evidence AGAINST this from Vincent Tan himself through his own businesses including the Berjaya Group and his personal company Berjaya Land. Both these companies continue to trade very successfully in that region without any need to change their corporate colours from blue and gold. Included in recent Berjaya Land projects is a major retail development just outside Beijing so the Chinese business community seem perfectly happy with the colour blue.

If VT had decided to slightly change the CCFC hame strip to blue with some gold in I could understand it to tie in with his own business colours and , in my view , that would have been far more palatable (and therefore caused less emotive divisions between our fans) to the CCFC fanbase.

Maybe Tan didn't want to divulge any sensitive information about his plans for the future of our club to Whitely and Doug Lee. The sounds absurd but both men seemed incredibly "in the dark " in every interview i have read since the "rebrand".
Maybe Tan has only kept council with people he really trust such as TG and Lim. Maybe he realised that every sensitive issue always leaks at this club!
I have no inside info about Tans future plans and i admit i havent got a clue but it seems totally feasible that Tan could be dealing with a Chinese company whose colours are prominently red. Say for example coca cola were expressing interest and he pre-empted their take-over and changed us to red.
I may well be way off the mark but i honestly think that only time will tell whether changing us to red has anything to do with future plans or whether it is genuinely to do with just the fact that Tan likes the colour red!!

The scenario you've envisaged there with CCFC becoming some corporate advertising tool called Coca Cola FC is worst than the current view I hold of the bloke.

If true and we're both guessing, would you be happy with that?

Gwyn, I hope they win but it's not really Cadiff City as we know it. Each to their own but I wonder what them down the roads traction would be if some foreign meglmaniac decided to strip their soul? Is your arse sore?

Strip their soul would be a step too far, but changing a shirt colour surely wouldn't be that bad, it's happened to quite a few clubs on quite a few occasions.

Changing the colour for what though? Let's be honest its been done due to one mans whim. History, tradition, integrity ripped out in a minute.

In fairness they've not ripped the soul out, we've let it die with the willingness to roll over for whatever reasons. Them from down the road would never stand for it.

This term "one man's whim" seems to be thrown about a lot since the "rebrand"!
There is no evidence to say this is why Tan changed us to red, the same as there is no evidence to say cos it's part of his masterplan to get us to the champions league.

The facts are none of us really know why he wanted us to play in red, not even Alan Whitely having read his interviews on the matter. Whether it will be something that will be beneficial to propel us into future glory, only time will tell. I personally have a belief that it is something to do with attracting investment from China but i have no more reason to believe this than you do for saying he just done it on a whim.

The evidence that it is one man`s whim is that is what the club`s former CEO Alan Whiteley and the club`s former FD describe it as. The fact that they said so probably led to the word "former" appearing in their job descriptions. The club`s new acting CEO and FD Simon Lim has also not offered any alternative explanation.

As for a colour change being necessary to generate business or financial support in China (or anywhere else in the Far East for that matter) , there is specific evidence AGAINST this from Vincent Tan himself through his own businesses including the Berjaya Group and his personal company Berjaya Land. Both these companies continue to trade very successfully in that region without any need to change their corporate colours from blue and gold. Included in recent Berjaya Land projects is a major retail development just outside Beijing so the Chinese business community seem perfectly happy with the colour blue.

If VT had decided to slightly change the CCFC hame strip to blue with some gold in I could understand it to tie in with his own business colours and , in my view , that would have been far more palatable (and therefore caused less emotive divisions between our fans) to the CCFC fanbase.

Maybe Tan didn't want to divulge any sensitive information about his plans for the future of our club to Whitely and Doug Lee. The sounds absurd but both men seemed incredibly "in the dark " in every interview i have read since the "rebrand".
Maybe Tan has only kept council with people he really trust such as TG and Lim. Maybe he realised that every sensitive issue always leaks at this club!
I have no inside info about Tans future plans and i admit i havent got a clue but it seems totally feasible that Tan could be dealing with a Chinese company whose colours are prominently red. Say for example coca cola were expressing interest and he pre-empted their take-over and changed us to red.
I may well be way off the mark but i honestly think that only time will tell whether changing us to red has anything to do with future plans or whether it is genuinely to do with just the fact that Tan likes the colour red!!

Sorry , but your theory of changing colours to appease the colour preferences of a potential new investor doesn`t make business sense. A shrewd vendor of a business would only change its corporate colours after that investor had committed legally to the investment , not before. Otherwise you would be alienating other potential investors who have a preference for a different colour , thereby limiting the number of competing potential investors.

As for trusting in TG or Simon Lim (the latter very unlikely anyway as he has only been with Berjaya since June this year) neither of them have been able to come up with a business reason for the colour change either - they stick to the line of "what Vincent wants , Vincent gets". That`s a hell of a lot of power for someone that owns less than 40% of CCFC.

Keith, changing to red cos its a lucky colour doesnt make much sense either! I wasnt suggesting that he was changing to red to advertise cardiff city but cos he knows something is going to happen. Anyway mate i'm not trying to argue business with you but merely highlighting that none of us know the mans reasoning for the change but are all guessing, but the future will reveal whether it is for the good of the long term future of the club or not.

Ifs, buts, maybes, i will wait till things happen then throw the gauntlet down

Gwyn Gwyn Gwyn this is all rather cute but the fact of the matter is MOST other fanbases would not have rolled over as easy as we have, this is a fact. But as long as you get to see Rooney and co in the premiership who gives a care if we play in red, pink or indigo....

Very true - those other fans that held up banners saying "f**k modern football keep cardiff blue" in austria and places like that seem to care more than some of our own fans, it's embrassing. It's not that I wanted Tan to give up and leave - it's that I didn't understand why he wanted red so bad in the first place. Like seriously, why does he care so much about us playing in red? Don't tell me a few extra shirt sales in Asia is the reason, for someone with an £800 million fortune..

How much does Man utd make through Merchandise in Asia ? It's called forward thinking , unfortunately most on ere are living in the past.

Your just an embarrasment, flaunting the red kit especially if you are over the age of 16. You see the red kit as a ticket to the premiership as your the premiership at all costs type of fan. How badly do you really want to play against the likes of Stoke and Norwich?

Also for your information "Forward thinking" would be asking questions like how do we turn what we HAVE into profit in the far east not "LETS CHANGE TO RED AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS". If you think for one second the Malaysian fans will stick around if we don't go up this seasons your as deluded as they come.

maybe change of colour is temperary to boost our appeal in far east!
what if vt decides to bring back blue ect if we get to premier? that can be just as plausable as crap about changing name/ badge / seats ect ect, you all say hes going to change this that and anything else so that it makes you feel you are right! why are you right and everyone else is wrong??? the truth is you dont know S.F.A nobody does, if its that bad for you supporting city (not my club) as you say ect ect, well go support another team that plays in blue then you wont waste your money supporting a team you dont recognise or have affinity too!!, because at present we are in red and will remain so for near future!!!

ps and if you feel this is bull ++++ its no more than the bull ++++ spouted by yourselves!!!

maybe change of colour is temperary to boost our appeal in far east!
what if vt decides to bring back blue ect if we get to premier? that can be just as plausable as crap about changing name/ badge / seats ect ect, you all say hes going to change this that and anything else so that it makes you feel you are right! why are you right and everyone else is wrong??? the truth is you dont know S.F.A nobody does, if its that bad for you supporting city (not my club) as you say ect ect, well go support another team that plays in blue then you wont waste your money supporting a team you dont recognise or have affinity too!!, because at present we are in red and will remain so for near future!!!

ps and if you feel this is bull ++++ its no more than the bull ++++ spouted by yourselves!!!

Fair play Allan that is the first post you have made without being derogatory to the victims of hillsborough. It's a shame your post consists of pure red drivel.

Gwyn, I hope they win but it's not really Cadiff City as we know it. Each to their own but I wonder what them down the roads traction would be if some foreign meglmaniac decided to strip their soul? Is your arse sore?

Strip their soul would be a step too far, but changing a shirt colour surely wouldn't be that bad, it's happened to quite a few clubs on quite a few occasions.

Changing the colour for what though? Let's be honest its been done due to one mans whim. History, tradition, integrity ripped out in a minute.

In fairness they've not ripped the soul out, we've let it die with the willingness to roll over for whatever reasons. Them from down the road would never stand for it.

jack ^^^^

maybe change of colour is temperary to boost our appeal in far east!
what if vt decides to bring back blue ect if we get to premier? that can be just as plausable as crap about changing name/ badge / seats ect ect, you all say hes going to change this that and anything else so that it makes you feel you are right! why are you right and everyone else is wrong??? the truth is you dont know S.F.A nobody does, if its that bad for you supporting city (not my club) as you say ect ect, well go support another team that plays in blue then you wont waste your money supporting a team you dont recognise or have affinity too!!, because at present we are in red and will remain so for near future!!!

ps and if you feel this is bull ++++ its no more than the bull ++++ spouted by yourselves!!!

Fair play, you are a f*cking idiot!

You just don't get it

maybe change of colour is temperary to boost our appeal in far east!
what if vt decides to bring back blue ect if we get to premier? that can be just as plausable as crap about changing name/ badge / seats ect ect, you all say hes going to change this that and anything else so that it makes you feel you are right! why are you right and everyone else is wrong??? the truth is you dont know S.F.A nobody does, if its that bad for you supporting city (not my club) as you say ect ect, well go support another team that plays in blue then you wont waste your money supporting a team you dont recognise or have affinity too!!, because at present we are in red and will remain so for near future!!!

ps and if you feel this is bull ++++ its no more than the bull ++++ spouted by yourselves!!!

Fair play Allan that is the first post you have made without being derogatory to the victims of hillsborough. It's a shame your post consists of pure red drivel.

red drivel!!! your opinion but hey all entitled to that!! and wasnt derogatory to hillsborough just stating opinion just like you just did!! and if you read it properly whilst compo might be off mark, the fact is everyone is being blamed except pool fans!!! and why is that???? that was question i asked and do you think emergency people left fans to die after 4.15 ??? because that is what they are saying with inquest! anyway not my concern, but do feel free to come back and tell me i was wrong in my thread!!!
ps only written two things on hillsborough so not that bad!

Gwyn, I hope they win but it's not really Cadiff City as we know it. Each to their own but I wonder what them down the roads traction would be if some foreign meglmaniac decided to strip their soul? Is your arse sore?

Strip their soul would be a step too far, but changing a shirt colour surely wouldn't be that bad, it's happened to quite a few clubs on quite a few occasions.

Changing the colour for what though? Let's be honest its been done due to one mans whim. History, tradition, integrity ripped out in a minute.

In fairness they've not ripped the soul out, we've let it die with the willingness to roll over for whatever reasons. Them from down the road would never stand for it.

jack ^^^^

A jack? Laughable accusation buster.

Just an observation that they wouldn't have rolled over like us.

You cheeky bugger.

Gwyn, I hope they win but it's not really Cadiff City as we know it. Each to their own but I wonder what them down the roads traction would be if some foreign meglmaniac decided to strip their soul? Is your arse sore?

Strip their soul would be a step too far, but changing a shirt colour surely wouldn't be that bad, it's happened to quite a few clubs on quite a few occasions.

Changing the colour for what though? Let's be honest its been done due to one mans whim. History, tradition, integrity ripped out in a minute.

In fairness they've not ripped the soul out, we've let it die with the willingness to roll over for whatever reasons. Them from down the road would never stand for it.

jack ^^^^

A jack? Laughable accusation buster.

Just an observation that they wouldn't have rolled over like us.

You cheeky bugger.

mmm given same circumstances who knows what any club would have done! its ok to say we wouldnt have done it, but easy to say that when its not them.

Keith, changing to red cos its a lucky colour doesnt make much sense either! I wasnt suggesting that he was changing to red to advertise cardiff city but cos he knows something is going to happen. Anyway mate i'm not trying to argue business with you but merely highlighting that none of us know the mans reasoning for the change but are all guessing, but the future will reveal whether it is for the good of the long term future of the club or not.

I agree it doesn`t make sense from a business sense , but it does make sense as a decision from someone who is used to getting their own way because of their financial and political power. I am not suggesting in any way that VT is a bad man (his charitable contributions to various causes very much suggests otherwise) or goes out of his way to upset people and their traditions . just that he can try and change things for personal preference on a whim and is not used to anyone questionning why.

Just to make it perfectly clear as well. Provided that he carries out the promised debt for equity swap in the near future to remove that unsustainable burden on the club , I believe VT`s investment in the club can only be beneficial in the short term for CCFC.My reasoning for that belief is as follows:-

1) VT is highly unlikely to make any substantial profit direct from CCFC itself , and certainly not enough to repay his investment to date/the promised total £100m investment. In the Championship , the club will continue to be a substantial loss-maker and a drain on his resouces. Only with a promotion to the Premier can the losses be stemmed and a potential (but fairly modest) annual trading profit be made.

2) CCFC is therefore being used as a vehicle to get ownership of a Premier league team. This will give VT substantial "spin off" benefits for his other businesses back in Malaysia with the gravitas and marketing exposure in Malaysia and elsewhere in the Far East. Imagine him being able to bring important people over to see the team he owns performing live at the top level against top , famous , opposition on a regular basis. When the Sultan of Johor was brought over as a guest last week (by "coincidence" he is instrumental in which company gets awarded a major construction contract in his state- Berjaya to get the deal?) it was only to a championship team by a man who doesn`t even (yet) have a majority ownership of it. How much more of a "sweetener"to get a contract would be bringing him and others in similar decision making positions to a Premier game against say Man Utd as a guest of the home team`s owner?.

3) As long as CCFC can stem its losses and not be a financial drain every year(by getting promoted) , then it an extremely useful and cost effective way of marketing and promoting his other businesses , which is where he gets the financial payback. So CCFC will not get much or indeed any of that spin off benefit for its own coffers. But for the plan to work , it will mean we will be following a Premier team - so "win win".

Gwyn, I hope they win but it's not really Cadiff City as we know it. Each to their own but I wonder what them down the roads traction would be if some foreign meglmaniac decided to strip their soul? Is your arse sore?

Strip their soul would be a step too far, but changing a shirt colour surely wouldn't be that bad, it's happened to quite a few clubs on quite a few occasions.

Changing the colour for what though? Let's be honest its been done due to one mans whim. History, tradition, integrity ripped out in a minute.

In fairness they've not ripped the soul out, we've let it die with the willingness to roll over for whatever reasons. Them from down the road would never stand for it.

jack ^^^^

A jack? Laughable accusation buster.

Just an observation that they wouldn't have rolled over like us.

You cheeky bugger.

you have 15 posts and you big up the jacks. fans who were happy to see their club tuck up local creditors. before you call me a sellout, i hate the rebrand!

Gwyn, I hope they win but it's not really Cadiff City as we know it. Each to their own but I wonder what them down the roads traction would be if some foreign meglmaniac decided to strip their soul? Is your arse sore?

Strip their soul would be a step too far, but changing a shirt colour surely wouldn't be that bad, it's happened to quite a few clubs on quite a few occasions.

Changing the colour for what though? Let's be honest its been done due to one mans whim. History, tradition, integrity ripped out in a minute.

In fairness they've not ripped the soul out, we've let it die with the willingness to roll over for whatever reasons. Them from down the road would never stand for it.

jack ^^^^

A jack? Laughable accusation buster.

Just an observation that they wouldn't have rolled over like us.

You cheeky bugger.

you have 15 posts and you big up the jacks. fans who were happy to see their club tuck up local creditors. before you call me a sellout, i hate the rebrand!

Wouldn't call you a sell out, you've hadn't expressed an opinion.

Just in shock at being called a Jack. I 'd have preferred me finding out you was nailing my ex missus.

Regards.

Gwyn you proudly pose in your spanking new red top just to wind the fans up. Do you love the blue and bluebird ? I believe you don't.

Keith, changing to red cos its a lucky colour doesnt make much sense either! I wasnt suggesting that he was changing to red to advertise cardiff city but cos he knows something is going to happen. Anyway mate i'm not trying to argue business with you but merely highlighting that none of us know the mans reasoning for the change but are all guessing, but the future will reveal whether it is for the good of the long term future of the club or not.

I agree it doesn`t make sense from a business sense , but it does make sense as a decision from someone who is used to getting their own way because of their financial and political power. I am not suggesting in any way that VT is a bad man (his charitable contributions to various causes very much suggests otherwise) or goes out of his way to upset people and their traditions . just that he can try and change things for personal preference on a whim and is not used to anyone questionning why.

Just to make it perfectly clear as well. Provided that he carries out the promised debt for equity swap in the near future to remove that unsustainable burden on the club , I believe VT`s investment in the club can only be beneficial in the short term for CCFC.My reasoning for that belief is as follows:-

1) VT is highly unlikely to make any substantial profit direct from CCFC itself , and certainly not enough to repay his investment to date/the promised total £100m investment. In the Championship , the club will continue to be a substantial loss-maker and a drain on his resouces. Only with a promotion to the Premier can the losses be stemmed and a potential (but fairly modest) annual trading profit be made.

2) CCFC is therefore being used as a vehicle to get ownership of a Premier league team. This will give VT substantial "spin off" benefits for his other businesses back in Malaysia with the gravitas and marketing exposure in Malaysia and elsewhere in the Far East. Imagine him being able to bring important people over to see the team he owns performing live at the top level against top , famous , opposition on a regular basis. When the Sultan of Johor was brought over as a guest last week (by "coincidence" he is instrumental in which company gets awarded a major construction contract in his state- Berjaya to get the deal?) it was only to a championship team by a man who doesn`t even (yet) have a majority ownership of it. How much more of a "sweetener"to get a contract would be bringing him and others in similar decision making positions to a Premier game against say Man Utd as a guest of the home team`s owner?.

3) As long as CCFC can stem its losses and not be a financial drain every year(by getting promoted) , then it an extremely useful and cost effective way of marketing and promoting his other businesses , which is where he gets the financial payback. So CCFC will not get much or indeed any of that spin off benefit for its own coffers. But for the plan to work , it will mean we will be following a Premier team - so "win win".

In a nutshell, this is a perfect example of a nail being hit firmly on the head...

Gwyn you proudly pose in your spanking new red top just to wind the fans up. Do you love the blue and bluebird ? I believe you don't.

I don't own a sparkling red top, I don't own many blue ones either, not one for club shirts really, and why should it concern me if you believe or don't believe that I love the Blue top and Bluebird, ? to be honest i don't give a flying f**k what you believe, why should I.

I suppose all my Bluebird tattoos are felt pen as well

I suppose all my Bluebird tattoos are felt pen as well

Well if they are anything like your loyalty and sense of identity then they are EASILY REMOVED.